The Canna Kuyas EP54- When you Grow Your Own, Everyday is 4/20

Erick and Mitch recall 4/20's past and realize growing your own makes everyday a special day to celebrate this wonderful bountiful plant that is cannabis.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:27

You're listening to the Canakuya podcast, where we are cultivating conversations concerning cannabis, culture, and creativity. I'm Mitch Narito.

SPEAKER_04 0:36

And I am Eric Esteban. I am uh I'm I I'm I'm sufficiently uh still sedated from the limes. The limes is very good. Limesy are pre always customary pre-show, pre-podcasting smoke of uh because uh I I I um this is now episode 54. Mm-hmm. And uh I was just listening to the last episodes because I just uploaded them. Nice because we've just cut we've kind of caught up to everything. We're on stoner schedule. We're we're we're on stoner schedule, but now we're back and we're on schedule and we're here for 420, because of course, I mean, this is the Stoner Christmas. You know, I I always thought of it as Stoner Christmas coming up when I first moved here to California. Every 420, you would wake up early and you'd line up in the dispensary.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:31

And you would get your little free baggie, and then you'd also, you know, if you spend certain amount of money you'd get this, and certain amount of money you get that, and then I I feel like now stepping back from it and not having participated in uh lining up for a dispensary day because I grow my own, I uh uh 420 isn't as as significant for me because every day is 420.

SPEAKER_02 1:58

You're you're your own marijuana class. Uh no, but I I will say I was thinking about it while you were talking about it right now. Uh I feel that 420 is definitely one of those holidays. It's it's still an unofficial holiday, right?

SPEAKER_04 2:14

Oh, for sure. I still feel it's uh there's special I mean now I'll more think about 420 and the fact that Echo My Pitbull ate ate my first plant on 420. It was like as if she was looking for her 420 high on 420 and she ate her plant. And ate my plant, the only plant in the anyway. Um you can see it still hurts.

SPEAKER_02 2:35

Let it go, let it go.

SPEAKER_04 2:36

He still hurts. But but but no, but I I but that was my that was that was that's really the memory I have for 420, but now but like I don't really celebrate it anymore, do you?

SPEAKER_02 2:47

No, I still I still celebrate.

SPEAKER_04 2:49

You still go to the dispensary?

SPEAKER_02 2:50

N not necessarily. Like I I I don't believe like I'm saying this, but I feel that uh 420 has become very commercialized over the last couple years.

SPEAKER_04 3:03

That's what I'm about to say I I I feel like it's become a marketing holiday for the dispensaries.

SPEAKER_02 3:08

Yeah, because it used to be like you can only get stuff on 420, you can actually get stuff on the day, right?

SPEAKER_04 3:14

And you know the actual story of 420, right?

SPEAKER_02 3:17

Uh there's there's different stories I've heard.

SPEAKER_04 3:19

Well, they re- the there's the one where they uh I guess in Northern California there's a s statue that every all the hippies met at 420 and then they would smoke at that time, and I guess it became a custom and it Yeah, it just became code like there there's a lot of stuff you'll hear uh regarding that.

SPEAKER_02 3:36

But I think it it's been confirmed it was like a group of friends.

SPEAKER_03 3:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:41

And then they're just like, hey, let's just meet up and smoke at this time, right? Um I've heard it was unofficial police code. Right?

SPEAKER_04 3:50

Uh unofficial police code? Yeah, yeah. For like if there were people smoking, you would go say four they would say 420. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 3:59

Um I know that it's also Hitler's birthday.

SPEAKER_03 4:04

Is it really Hitler's birthday?

SPEAKER_02 4:06

Yes, Hitler's birthday.

SPEAKER_04 4:07

Uh oh, that's weird. And you with some of the right wing cannabis.

SPEAKER_02 4:12

No, but I think it I think that's just it's more that one's more just like a weird coincidence.

SPEAKER_04 4:16

That's just a weird coincidence.

SPEAKER_02 4:18

Like it has nothing to do with the smokers' holiday.

SPEAKER_04 4:21

Well, we don't need to discuss that dude on earth.

SPEAKER_02 4:26

But uh what else? Uh we got a new and improved one in in office currently, anyway. Schittler. Uh but yeah, but 420. Uh I always thought it was like the police code growing up. Um, you thought it was? That's what I that's what I always assumed it would be.

SPEAKER_04 4:46

I always assumed it was the group of homies sitting in a statue and smoking at 420.

SPEAKER_03 4:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:52

Which was you just see more of more of the culture. But then at the same time, I it the I could see where the cops would use that as a as an unofficial code for people doing it. But now the fact that the cops don't really worry about it, and you can literally do the first lines of Nas is if I rule the world. Imagine smoking weed in the street without cops harassing. Because I I am going to New York in May, and I've been to New York la I was been to New York last year smoking a weed smoking weed on the street without any cops harassing me. So it is amazing.

SPEAKER_02 5:27

So okay.

SPEAKER_04 5:27

I felt like I ruled the world.

SPEAKER_02 5:29

So I was telling I was telling Eric, um, like we're obviously we're recording this before 420, and um so the the other night I went to a concert. I went to the Bruce Brixley concerned.

SPEAKER_04 5:40

Why did you spoil the illusion? We were gonna upload this. It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

They like they we we we have them in the can, so we can try to be consistent. That's all we're trying to do. But I but yeah, I went to the Bruce Brixley concert and like it was at the Kia Forum, and you know, like I wanted to go and I didn't want to pay like I I ended up still paying like a ton for like drinks and and food. Oh yeah, it's expensive.

SPEAKER_04 6:03

Concerts are expensive. Any events at this point are very expensive endeavors.

SPEAKER_02 6:08

Yeah. But I didn't wanna you know like I didn't want to go in there like stone sober, so um, but I was worried because like, you know, like I was worried about like smoking, you know, like at like because there's there's there's a bunch of security that rolls around and sometimes like if you're in if you go to a Dodger game, right? Like and you try to smoke or drink in your car, um, they're they're a lot stricter over there. But I was there at the Springsteen concert and I was worried about smoking.

SPEAKER_04 6:36

Why does security not want people to have a good time and enjoy their lives?

SPEAKER_02 6:41

They just don't want them to get out of hand, that's all.

SPEAKER_04 6:44

Where in any case, in any event, although I gotta say, maybe I would smoke a joint, strip down naked, and run across the field. I guess I guess you're right. I probably would do that.

SPEAKER_02 6:56

But you're like, it just lowers your inhibitions.

SPEAKER_04 6:59

But a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

But I was worried too.

SPEAKER_04 7:01

I don't know that I would I didn't want to bring joints, like I didn't want to smoke in my car, so like I was just like I just feel like a place like Disneyland or or or California Adventure, Universal Studios, they would encourage it because I think it would have you'd have more fun. You don't throw up.

SPEAKER_02 7:20

No, I think I think what it was though, like I'm pretty sure it's they were really chill about it at one point in the past, and then it's like just a handful of people just fucked it up for everybody. That's how I feel. But so when I was like there, I didn't want to do any of that. I was like, oh man, so I just popped a bunch of edibles, right? And then as I'm walking to as I'm walking to the entrance, dude, people are tailgating, they're smoking, they're drinking. Like as I'm walking through, and it's a bunch of like white people. It was a bunch of people, like just white people just smoking joints outside of the venue. Like, and they were old. See, like they're older, okay? Not old.

SPEAKER_04 7:54

So you don't have to be scared, Mitch.

SPEAKER_02 7:57

I should have known. I just have known. I should have known.

SPEAKER_04 8:01

Although you never know. You just never know. It does hurt though, like, you know, like Oh, wait. I drank your your your flavor, and because I asked Mitch if he wanted a tangerine lacroix or a pample mousse lacroix, and I myself wanted a pample mousse, and then I noticed that Mitch was drinking my pample mousse, and I realized that I opened his tangerine.

SPEAKER_02 8:25

It was a stoner moof, and uh I was just like whatever.

SPEAKER_04 8:28

Stoner move.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

Yeah. But like it it was a trip because like here in California, I don't think I think we take it for granted that we don't get hassled out here.

SPEAKER_04 8:41

Yeah. Well no, I I I I lear well I was never even in Chicago when it was still illegal and it was scary to buy it, and it was still, you know, all the things, you know, it was still kind of a crime. I still smoked out in the open. I don't know why. I I maybe it was a I I I don't know. I I I I just remember one time, I remember one time in particular, I was get getting off a shift at a restaurant, and I remember having a joint in my pocket, and I just walked out of the restaurant, and there was a line of people waiting to get into the restaurant, and I just took my w my my lighter out, put my joint in my mouth, and I just lit up, and my friends were like, You're just smoking a joint, right? And I'm like, long day, man. Long day. And and and but then I just walk and I walked back to my car and I just smoked with the joint to my car, and nobody bothered me, and no and no cops bothered me, and I was like, Okay, well, I just I and and not not even from that day. I I've always kind of been I I've never really been scared about it. Which when I when I do like there was one time when I went to Disneyland and I had it in my in my hip pack as we were waiting in line, and I didn't realize that they were gonna, you know, the whole search and security thing, and I was like, oh man, so then I walked back to my car and I put my hip back in my car.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

But they didn't take it from you, they gave you the option to go back to your No I didn't I didn't even give them the option.

SPEAKER_04 10:09

I just I realized that I had it in my hip pack and I got out of line and my kids before I ran back to the car and came back and my kids were just then getting No and and that's why, like, because I thought like security was gonna be like a lot stricter, you know, because you had to have a clear bag and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 10:24

But I straight up, since I didn't have a bag, I straight up just walked in. I could have had like joints galore in my hands, and like they do they wouldn't have cared. Um I think the only time that I ever got worried about uh, you know, like smoking in public uh was when I was in Vegas. Because uh it's legal out there, but I guess there, you know, like I treated it as like if you could smoke a cigarette in a in a hotel or a casino, right? You can smoke a joint in a casino.

SPEAKER_04 10:51

You should, yeah. But you can't.

SPEAKER_02 10:53

But you can't. So I remember I was sitting at a I was sitting at a machine and I was just smoking joints, and then like one of the guards, um, he was like a big Samoan dude. He's like, hey bro, what what you got there? Right? I was like, I was like, I was just like, oh just smoking. He's like, is that cigarette? And I was like, yes. He's like, alright then. Then he left. But I thought I was like, oh, they're they're they're worried about that, you know, like you can't just it's not like a cigarette, which is weird because no, for real, like if I had to do secondhand smoke, I'd rather do secondhand smoke from a joint than a freaking cigarette.

SPEAKER_04 11:30

Definitely, I definitely would. But yeah, but you know, like the world is changing slowly but surely, but at the same time, I don't know. For me, it's never fast enough. It and and that's part of why I I'm find so much enjoyment in my in my garden. And I'm like I was telling you when before we started podcasting, when we're smoking outside, I just uh uh was with Angie yesterday and she got she grabbed a couple plants, shout out to Angie Stalker and and her uh her uh her wonderful knowledge and she sent me the links for all the Gangie A programs that I'm um so we should we should really yeah, we want to get into that. But um but uh she picked up some plants that she's gonna try and grow in her backyard, like outdoor, because her tent is kind of falling apart, so and she isn't well and so she wants to she wants to uh try her hand at growing so I gave her some clones that I and and she's gonna try to grow I think one limes and one chicken and waffles and she's gonna try and grow them outside. We'll see. We'll see what happens.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

Circling back to uh what we're talking about, like yeah, so 420 nowadays I feel is very commercialized.

SPEAKER_04 12:40

I think I think just because of that's part of why I I I'm so happy about again bringing it full circle to like what we were talking about. Like 420 for me is more is more I'm I I was tailoring the the harvest and the garden update to to coincide to coincide, but it's still you know like anything with nature you can't really, but at the same time it's also like it's uh it's nice to know that we have I'll have a a harvest and or beautiful nugs growing and and and and thriving on 420 and the pictures and videos that I'll make with me just smiling in my garden because it because it is really my oasis. It's my place where I go to just relax and chill. And at the at this point now, I mean I I'm I'm with Alan Watts philosophy in my headphones just doing gardening, and I've unplugged from this crazy world that we've lived in for uh twelve years now with this idiot. I don't want to bring it up anymore, but but you know what I'm saying? Like it's i it's a very it's a very happy place for me. It's my happy place to be. And then of course when I opened my little refrigerator, it's full of weed.

SPEAKER_02 14:03

So Yeah, I think I think the smoker's holiday hasn't been the same because I think I hate peak smokers holiday 420 2020 at 420.

SPEAKER_04 14:14

Yeah, that was the peak one.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

That was uh that was like you can't beat that.

SPEAKER_04 14:17

You can't beat that, and I I wanted I wanted that to be something more than it was, and it kind of was ruined because of the pandemic.

SPEAKER_02 14:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:26

No, but I still Yeah, no, I still smoked on that day and and for 420 2020 on on 420 at 420. I got I I got you. I was right there with you. But it was I was here by myself smoking. I wasn't, you know, it wasn't like a a huge bonfire of of of cannabis with a whole bunch of people celebrating this glorious weed holiday that it it it it culminated into because weed is pretty much legal in all the states that matter and or and that was pretty much the start of pandemic though, because we shut down in March. Yeah, we shut down in March. So it ruined everything.

SPEAKER_02 15:05

I remember, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:06

I remember I don't know if you guys remember Jut's rolling papers, but I remember, hey, share your Jutes rolling papers with everyone was our kind of motto, and and we had a rolling papers company that launched right before that. So, you know, rolling papers and people sharing rolling papers wasn't a thing after the pandemic. I hate the pandemic so much. It it killed a lot of stuff for me.

SPEAKER_02 15:36

There were certain things I liked.

SPEAKER_04 15:37

I mean, it didn't kill anybody for me. So I'm uh well it I there were a few people that I acquaintances that I know that passed away, which sucks. But for the but the pandemic was a bad time for all of us. Yeah, it was a dark time. It was a and so but I don't know how it got darker.

SPEAKER_02 15:52

That's what's fucking me up.

SPEAKER_04 15:53

Well, because you brought up the date for 2020 20. And that was that's because there's so much bitterness with that date now. And it could have been such a glorious holiday, and it was terrible because of the pandemic.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

I just remember I I think I was just hitting a pipe in my in my parking lot with my car.

SPEAKER_04 16:14

Yeah, that's just why it could have been more glorious. It would have been a much more glorious celebration, but we're all under pandemic. But we're not under pandemic anymore. So let's talk about some So let's switch the subject since Matt Mitch brought up the pandemic.

SPEAKER_02 16:30

Oh, sorry, I don't mean to be a downer.

SPEAKER_04 16:35

No, but but like what are you gonna do to celebrate this 420?

SPEAKER_02 16:39

Well, I I So I don't go to the shops anymore because uh for one, it gets super crowded. You know, like I don't want to wait an hour to get checked out or whatever it is. Like, it just seems like more of a hassle. Like the giveaways, not as good as they used to be. Because it used to be you giveaways.

SPEAKER_04 16:59

You get like you almost got like a buy, it was almost like a buy one, get one kind of thing where you if you bought an eighth, you got an eighth of uh off free, and you have a bunch of pre-rolls and you got some accessories, whether it be grinders or yeah, I remember you got some good stuff there, and you would always get a brown bag, you would get like a brown paper bag, right? And then that would have like and everybody wanted that brown paper bag because it was a whole bunch of good free stuff in there.

SPEAKER_02 17:25

Yeah, you'd get like you'd get a grinder, you'd probably get like one of those like sneak a toe pipes, right? You get like some edibles, like some hemp rope, some papers, right? And then like depending on how cool like the dispensary was, you get like a bunch of free stuff, like J's, freaking like like nugs of things, you know, like yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:47

Sample even the samples that they got, they they put those all in the 420 giveaway bags, and it was it was a it was a good time. And then and even some of the dispensaries, I don't know that what they do now, but they would have like people performing there and other vendors, and yeah, they have vendors.

SPEAKER_02 18:08

It was it was like uh it was a party, it was like it was a nice party, but now I don't know that that's necessarily the case in the I remember at the dispensaries I used to go to, they would throw parties, they would have like a backyard boogie, like if they had like a parking lot or something, people would grill up hot dogs and hamburgers, right? Like, hey, you want a soda? Take some candy, you know, like it was like that. Like Yeah, it was a fun party. It was like a block party. Yeah, no, it's straight up it was a block party, and um yeah, like nowadays, uh I don't know. So for one, they don't give you like a ton of free stuff, it's all it's all like you have to buy specific brands and specific amounts to get X, whatever.

SPEAKER_04 18:46

So it's basically just the weekly specials extended to 412.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

Yeah, it's like a it's like, oh, you don't even get like an extra whatever, right? Or or the way they try to limit it is like, oh, it's only the first like 20 customers, first twenty-five customers, right? Like they don't have they don't have like those wheels you would spin for like free things anymore. It's like oh you spent 50 bucks, spin the wheel, you know? Like you remember that?

SPEAKER_04 19:09

Do you ever like I said it's just it's it's like Black Friday, or it's just another marketing day to go go to the dispensary and buy weed. Yeah, but it's for a little for a slight discount because it's the same prices, right?

SPEAKER_02 19:20

It's gonna be the same prices next week, right? Like, or it's like if that deal comes around, like it'll be like, oh, it's 20% off or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 19:27

I know, I know we're sounding like two middle-aged guys complaining about the old days. We are and how well no, and we are, and we are because that prop those prop 15 days when a guy like me who would be growing at home and he was growing quality weed could go walk up to the dispensary with a backpack full of weed and he'd walk out with a backpack full of cash. And that I mean, those were the days, you know, those were the wild, wild west days where you could kind of do whatever you wanted to, and that's why they were throwing parties on 420 and doing all those giveaways because they were making hand over fist of cash and money, and then it was such a it it was such a better time, and and now it's you know, since we've gone even more digital and more digital, like I'm realizing the more cash stuff goes away, more more more industries are vanishing without the cash. Like the ease of you know, paying with your phone and all the other th stuff is cool, but if cash goes away, man, there's a lot of lot of things that might not you might not be able to have tra certain transactions.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

No, but dispensaries before they never wanted that because they didn't want the paper trail. Yeah. Because they were making like so the model that it well I remember, right? It would be you'd have like one of those dispensaries pop up, right? Um they wouldn't have like full signage or anything, it would just pop up. Yeah, there'd be no signs. Yeah, it's like no advertisement, they would have a place pop up, right? It would be open for a couple months, right? And in those couple months, like they would they would just sell, right? They would just sell a bunch of stuff.

SPEAKER_04 21:08

And then at some point, they'd get too big, and then they'd have to shut down because like people would be like people that find out about them, there'd be lines out the door, and and the cops would get it hip to it and they'd get raided.

SPEAKER_02 21:21

Yeah. So yeah, they'd get raided and then they would close down. But then what the what I found out was like a lot of the owners or whatever, like if they knew they were gonna get raided, or if they got raided, they would just like rinse, rinse, and repeat, you know, like they just recycled.

SPEAKER_04 21:36

Yeah, they would they'd go to a different location or they'd w whatever they would you know, repackage everything and and go go to a different location. That was the way it was back then. And and was it better or worse? No, I don't know. I I I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 21:51

You know I would prefer that to like the big box like dispensaries.

SPEAKER_04 21:55

Yeah, I hate the big box dispensaries at this point.

SPEAKER_02 21:57

Like I'm glad like MedMint went out of business.

SPEAKER_04 22:00

Yeah. Well, I I mean I remember that time we were on the road in Chicago and you went to Med Men and they didn't even have a lighter.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

Yeah, they're like, Why do you need a lighter? I was like, Well, how the fucker do you think? How are you gonna what do you want me to do? Like fucking flame on? I'm not Johnny Torch, you know, like you. That'd be cool if you were though. Yeah. I said Johnny Torch. It's Johnny Storm. Just gotta crack it.

SPEAKER_04 22:22

Well, the human torch, Johnny, Johnny Storm.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

Just gotta crack. So, okay, so alright. So now that we're we we we we're done griping about how 420 sucks at dispensaries, how do you spend your 420 anyways? Like, what are what are some activities, movies, music, whatever, games? I don't know. What are you with?

SPEAKER_04 22:45

There's this thing that they have in LA that I was thinking about doing, and then I was like, I thought about buying a ticket for you to go and we could go together, but then it felt like a date. So I didn't want to do that because it seemed more like a date night thing.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

We've been on a lot of dates, Eric.

SPEAKER_04 23:02

I understand, but I don't want to do this with you. I kind of want to do this on my own as a solo thing. Because there's this a bake and brush thing in downtown LA where you paint with these painters, but you're you're allowed to bring your own weed so you can smoke and paint as this guy guides you on different projects, like Starry, Starry Night by Van Gogh, and you try to paint it and re-recreate it, but you also smoke weed while you're doing it. And I was thinking about doing that, maybe not on 420, because I have to I'm probably gonna have to end up working because it's on it's a on a Monday this year. But um, but I uh maybe like on a 4'7, like on a Friday or a Saturday, like to to like commemorate the like the before 420. The weekend 420 weekend of a little bit of uh Arts and Crafts. Arts and Crafts where I smoke during the arts and crafts.

SPEAKER_02 23:58

Herbs and Crafts.

SPEAKER_04 23:59

Herbs it was bake bacon brush what bacon brush. I I I I let me look because I have I have bacon brush. No, no, no, not bacon brush.

SPEAKER_02 24:13

Um I'm thinking of a hairbrush made out of ham now.

SPEAKER_04 24:17

Um bacon brush. Don't wait for me. No, what are you gonna do for your your your 420? Are you gonna do anything special?

SPEAKER_02 24:24

Well, I'll be working that day, but uh usually if I have to work on 420, there's gonna be some point, like I probably at the end of the night where I just like get obliterated. Like I'll just those are the times, like in the past, those are the times where I Blaze and brush. Blaze and brush.

SPEAKER_04 24:42

Yeah, I was thinking about doing that because I I really enjoy that. Like I I love I love doing arts while smoking. Like I love I'll always ha smoke at least a joint before every show. If I have especially if I have like a long show where I'm doing like a 30, 45 minute uh hour long set. I'm definitely gonna smoke a joint before that set. But so I love I love smoking before doing artistic things. That's part of this what this podcast is about, sir.

SPEAKER_02 25:11

Yeah. Creativity, my friend. Cannabis and creativity.

SPEAKER_04 25:17

So we are now gonna do a grow update with this new 420 harvest, but I don't think it's gonna end up being a 420 harvest. Because I'm, you know, I've kind of gotten versed in chicken and waffles, and I kinda know what limes looks like when it's done, and I kind of know what Yoda Nana looks like when it's done, because I've harvested it now two or three times and trimmed it, and you know, kind of know what the bud structure's gonna look like and everything else. And so I don't think I think this is gonna go to week nine, and it's gonna end up being like the end of April versus actual 420, which kind of saddens me because I tried to time it out, but like with everything you think you control, you cannot you can't control it's okay especially. Good things take time.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

Good things take time.

SPEAKER_04 26:06

Yeah, no, I and and and also it's a whole tent of chicken and waffles and a whole tent of yoda nana and one last limes.

SPEAKER_02 26:17

Can I ask you out of all the plants uh that you've grown, which one has been the prettiest looking?

SPEAKER_04 26:24

Um thirty-three.

SPEAKER_02 26:32

The the first batch or second batch?

SPEAKER_04 26:35

The first batch, the first batch of gelato 33, because that was the one where I first saw purples in when they were flowering, and some of the the the leaves did go a little purple and you could see it, and you could see the purple inside the bud too, but how do you get the black leaves? How you like because I've seen those, you know, like not the it kind of just and depends on how they they they kind of age. And and I I I know that there are some strains that um can run more black leaves and and darker leaves. Um I'm I'm trying to pop some uh actual right now I'm trying to pop some uh perps from Hobold Seed Company, which are you know distinctly purple in the in their leaves and and and in some of the bud too. So I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm looking to try and grow more of those things, more more things that look different and more distinct for sure. But it it it's all about the uh the cultivar strain uh uh you know, that's all dependent on on the on that and as far as like whether you get colors or or not. Sometimes you just end up getting leaves, sometimes all the leaves almost die before the buds mature, and then you but you just keep the the plant still alive and you're and the buds are still growing, so you kind of it all it it each each each different cultivar is different. Okay, so and that's kind of the fun of growing is you kind of learn each cultivar as you grow it, and then you're like, Oh, I know this one and I like this one, and this one's good, so I'm gonna I'm gonna this is gonna be a part of my garden for a little while, and then maybe you get tired of it, maybe you don't, maybe you have like like with in the case of the jack. Angie and I smoked the jack yester yesterday, and it was we should smoke some before you go. It was impeccable because it'd been curing for six months in the fridge.

SPEAKER_02 28:34

Oh, you still have some?

SPEAKER_04 28:36

Yeah, I have a I have about a half a jar left of jack in the in the in the fridge. And do you uh have you noticed the difference? Like, is there Yeah, no, even in the way you hold when you hold it, it's still spongy, but it's not at all like wet, and but it's and then when you grind it, it's grinds right away and it's it it's perfect, basically. And so like the curing process of that and having it have cured for like what now six months in in the in the jars, oh man, it is it is really wonderful.

SPEAKER_02 29:09

Do you burp them? Do you open up the jars every so often?

SPEAKER_04 29:11

I only now I only burp them when I when I open them. But I burp them, I burp them every every every day or every other day for the first two weeks that I put them in the fridge after I trimmed them, but then after that I don't burp them anymore. I only burp them when I open they they get burped and shook when I open the the jars to to smoke them.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

Cause I I I just always worry about like uh moisture getting stuck in there.

SPEAKER_04 29:35

Yeah, that's why I well and that's part of the with the fridge. Um for me, keeping it in the in the in the mini fridge, it it really has helped with with any mold or anything like that. Even Angie was like, Oh, you keep it in the fridge? I'm like, well, you're really supposed to keep it more of a colder, colder than room temperature, temperature to keep and maintain the terpenes on the uh on the outside and even on the inside. And then uh as I start to make hash, I mean all that stuff is refrigerated andor frozen, so you know I'm I'm I'm really thinking about if I if I do expand and start doing hash on in a big way, which I kinda want to do because that last round of hash from the stuff that I made and then aged for however many months and then did it was probably some of the best cannabis, whatever, however you want to like the best stuff I've ever smoked and the best high and like French e cannoli used to say that, or I don't know if it's French cannoli, or it was somebody in in the documentary that I watched about French cannoli that said um peasants were the ones who smoked the flour. Yeah, the the kings would smoke hash because it was so refined and the taste was so good and all these other things. So but for me, even smoking the flour but sprinkling that little king's hash on the top, oh my god, it is a really different refined taste, but it's also uh a really delicious too. You could taste everything.

SPEAKER_02 31:05

It's just Bruce Lee used to smoke hash.

SPEAKER_04 31:07

Yeah, hash is hash is bomb, man. And so for me, like I'm so committed to the the the bubble hash and water hash process that I'm trying to figure out a way to because now that I have so much flour left, I have surplus flour from the outdoor flour that I grow because it it's it's not it's not jarrable, it doesn't look nice in the jar. It's it's they're they're jagged and in in some cases really just small bud. But when I harvest all that the trichomes off that bud, you're still gonna get a lot of hash. So and also the bubble hash, but also like we wanted to talk about, and maybe we can kind of close out the the thing with what I'm kind of wanting to get into and learn, and that is creating tincture. Tinctures because I've been watching a lot of videos on on creating tinctures uh at YouTube University where I'm currently enrolled, and uh I uh I'm really it it's a very easy process because basically you take the bud, you uh you decarb it, and you put it in the oven, you know, grind it up a little bit, put it in the oven, heat it at like 250, 300 for about 20 minutes, and you take that decarb weed, put it in a jar. Do you have to strain it? No, put it in a jar of everclear, one to one basically almost, and shake it. And shake it, shake it, shake it, and then shake it again, and then let it sit, and then shake it again, let it sit for another maybe another hour, shake it again, and then I think I if I'm not mistaken, there are processes where you put it in the freezer for a little while because alcohol doesn't freeze, so but you it ends up like it uh it evaporates and it gets on the all the water is taken out and it becomes concentrated tincture, and you have cannabis tincture by the end. Whether you freeze it or you let it sit and you let the alcohol evaporate, whatever's left in the jar afterwards, once you shake, shake, shake, and then you strain all that and then the liquid left, that's your tincture.

SPEAKER_02 33:16

I think that's gonna be the next big thing because like a lot of stuff that I've been seeing, it's um it's like these, like they look like squares, right? Like um like you ever been to like uh like a McDonald's in Europe or whatever, and they have like the ketchup packets that you have to squeeze together. Uh-huh. You know, like so it looks like that, right? But it's uh it's weed. Uh it's weed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:41

And you squeeze it into your drink. Yeah. And you and and and because a lot of these drinks, like I I'm not gonna buy a bottle, and I'm not trying to say I wouldn't want to support Willie Nelson. I'll support Willie Nelson in many ways, but I don't want to buy his his Willie's remedy bottle because it's only, if I'm not mistaken, it's only a hundred milligrams in the bottle. If I'm not I'm not, I I could double we could double check and see, let me see. But I if if because there's a cola that I bought at a dispensary once that had a hundred milligrams in it and it was like twenty bucks. I find that to be reasonable, but if it's only a hundred milligrams for the Willie Nelsons, is it a hundred milligrams or a thousand?

SPEAKER_03 34:24

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:26

Is it a if per bottle is it a thousand milligrams of THC or is that a is it a hundred?

SPEAKER_02 34:32

Oh, it says here it's it's ten milligrams a dose.

SPEAKER_04 34:36

Right. Oh, so then it's a hundred.

SPEAKER_02 34:39

Yeah, so it's a hundred high dose. I don't know what that means.

SPEAKER_04 34:43

No, you're it's on I don't know. But anyway, because that's pretty much you're just drinking tincture there. That's what that is. I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_02 34:53

Yeah. And so you know 17 servings per bottle, 10 milligrams of serving, so 170 milligrams in the bottle.

SPEAKER_04 35:02

And how much is it?

SPEAKER_02 35:03

150 bucks? No, it's like 70 bucks.

SPEAKER_04 35:05

Oh, it's 70 bucks? Oh, they lowered the price. Good. Oh, maybe I was looking at the two bottles.

SPEAKER_02 35:12

So full price is 67 bucks. 67.49.

SPEAKER_04 35:18

But I think that's the way you want to go because people still want to drink. They just don't want to drink alcohol.

SPEAKER_02 35:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:24

And and if you have tincture, you can add that tincture to whatever drink you want. Whether it's a virgin margarita, whether it's just a seltzer water that's flavored with you know fruit essences, you know, whatever it is, but you can add that tincture to anything, and boom, you're good. Or you can just put the tincture under your tongue and for a quick faster effect. It's up to you.

SPEAKER_02 35:47

Dang, dang. They got some stuff here. Uh fast acting, less than 15 minutes. Who? Uh, the like if you Willie's remedy. So it's fast acting, short lasting, one to one and a half hours. So it's a quick, it's a quick buzz.

SPEAKER_04 36:03

Well, most most most edibles are are pretty quick.

SPEAKER_02 36:06

No, not edible. Drinks. Drinks are.

SPEAKER_04 36:08

Yeah, drinks are pretty equity. That's what I'm saying. I meant to say it like that.

SPEAKER_02 36:11

Let's say, uh, what else? How does it compare to an edible? It's not that feared edible you ate too much of in college. Thanks to a little magic called nano emulsification. The buzz hits quicker, feels lighter and clearer, doesn't hang around too long, and plays nice in social settings. Kind of like your favorite drink, but without the drama.

SPEAKER_04 36:31

Oh, so nano emulsification means that they use chemicals to extract. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:37

But it's so it's pretty much like. Right? Am I wrong?

SPEAKER_04 36:41

So it's like, yeah, it's I mean, I mean, or or is it little robots? What do you mean? Nanites? No, it's not nanotechnology. Tony Stark nano nanotechnology. I don't think I don't think they're that important. I don't think Willie Nelson has nanotech nano tightening. I don't know. Uh the guy's lived a long time. He's been around a lot. I mean, but because that's what that you said, right?

SPEAKER_02 37:03

It says nano emulsifiers. I don't know what that means. Yeah, I don't I don't know what that means either.

SPEAKER_04 37:09

I think that just means they use they use like a chemical process to to pull the well I mean because Everclear, the way I would do it to make the tincture, is a chemical process because technically Everclear or alcohol, one which is like the the most potent alcohol you can purchase, right? Uh Everclear. Yeah. So that's that's a out that's I don't know what the name of the chemical is, but that's a that's a chemical. So you would it's a chemical extractant to extract it to make to create the tincture. So whatever nano technology nano emulsifier it would be sounds very similar, just in a you know, said in a in a fun buy me kind of way.

SPEAKER_02 37:49

Oh what nano emulsifiers can be synthetic or natural, often used to coat oil droplets and prevent them from separating.

SPEAKER_04 37:58

Yeah, yeah, because that's what that's what um uh those trichomes are. Those little little oil truck trike that those trikes are all little oil droplets off the off the bud that you want to pull off, harvest, and take off. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:13

So yeah, so it could be natural, like uh stuff that's like in soy or eggs.

SPEAKER_04 38:20

Because that's uh that's those are the two differences for me. It's because I'll do I could do it Frenchie's way with the bubble hash with the water and the ice, or I can do it um the Rick Wilson way and create ri Rick Simpson oil, which is what tincture is where you make it.

SPEAKER_02 38:33

They use oil, yeah. So it's either oil or you can use alcohol. Yeah. And then there's other stuff you can use, but the other stuff's like synthetic.

SPEAKER_04 38:41

Correct. And and those are the stuff I don't want to get into. I'm like anything that I can't either create and or you know, somebody could create pretty much if they had the knowledge with their, you know, in their garage, I I don't want to really mess with. I kind of want to keep it as old school as possible when it comes to stuff.

SPEAKER_02 38:58

That's crazy. Like crazy. I don't know why I said it like that. Uh but no, like, so there's different ways. So like the ways they use it is uh so they use uh ultrasonication, which is high frequency sound waves, to like separate uh the oils and the and the water, right? They have high pressure homogenization, which is kind of like what they use for milk, right? They just like it's like a big filter.

SPEAKER_03 39:25

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 39:26

And then they have microfluidization using a high pressure processor to create very fine droplets with narrow size distribution. Interesting. This is very this is like food science at this point. It's pretty much.

SPEAKER_04 39:39

Yeah, no, all of that stuff is food science. Even um hash creation is is a lot of food science to it, which is why the those French chickenoli videos have a lot of allure to them because uh even his voice and the way that he explains the process is almost like watching an old Julia Child video of uh just just how you do this wonderful process of making this delicious stuff.

SPEAKER_02 40:07

It just reminds me of uh Chef Benotto. If you guys uh listen to our past episodes, we had uh we had a cannabis chef.

SPEAKER_04 40:14

Shout out to him, he just released his new book on barbecue, so get good follow him on Instagram. Chef is it Chef Chris Benotto on? I think it's Chef Benotto. B-I-N. Yeah, B-I-N-N. You spell it. O T T O. Yeah. Binotto. Yeah, but listen to our old episode with the.

SPEAKER_02 40:31

Is it Binotto? I think it's Binato, because I think you've been pronouncing it.

SPEAKER_04 40:34

No, I think it's Benotto. Binotto? Binotto, like you were saying Benito, that's why. Yeah, I was saying Benito, like technically Filipino. And that's why that's why people thought when I would introduce him that he was Filipino. Like Kalia thought he was Filipino. But that it's Benotto because he's Italian. He's Italian. Okay. No, and he's a great chef and he's a great dude. He's a shout out to him. He's been on our podcast. Listen to that podcast because it's a bomb podcast. It was a good interview with him.

SPEAKER_02 41:03

Because I remember like when we when we talked to him and we're asking him how he uses uh or how he cooks with cannabis. Like he just uses like tinctures and oils, and that way he could get the right dosage.

SPEAKER_04 41:13

Exactly. Because you're not, you're not, you're not, you're usually getting like 10 milligrams per tincture dosage. Like you you can really be you're able to measure it really out, and that you then you're not you're not guesstimating, oh, okay, I put this much wheat in and then it mixed it with this much butter, and now this butter is how potent is this butter? And you you can measure it if you have a chemistry set and all the other you have a lab, but if we don't say this, you're kind of guesstimating.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

I will say this there are certain in terms of like milligram dosage, even though it's the same dosage, like the process and the you know, like whatever how like whatever company or whatever makes it, it does affect the like how long or how potent it is. Sure.

SPEAKER_04 42:01

But I also know now that my my edible, like with those drinks, I drank a 10 milligram one.

SPEAKER_02 42:09

Yeah. Nothing.

SPEAKER_04 42:11

Nothing. But then I drank a hundred milligram one, and I was like, oh, this is what edibles feels like. No, because okay, I will say this. So it it it it could also depend on the person and their their tolerance and the dosage too.

SPEAKER_02 42:25

Well, okay, because this is my experience. I had, you know, like the RSO like uh tablets. Yeah, the Rick Simpson oil tablets.

SPEAKER_03 42:31

Yeah, I know what you're doing.

SPEAKER_02 42:32

So I've had those, and usually I would dose those at like I would have like 25 or 50, right? Sometimes more just depending. Milligrams? Yeah, milligrams. Okay. So I would have that, right? And um, you know, the 25, I would be okay. Sometimes the 50 would hit super hard, right? Yeah. And then um I had deer floor, right? Like the deer floor edibles, like the Filipino brand.

SPEAKER_04 42:55

Yeah. Right? Like there's there, there's what, 10, 10 milligrams each production. No, no, it's only five. Oh, it's only five milligrams. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:02

Right? It's five. And um they have different flavors too, and the flavors they all they all have different effects, right? But I can have like two to five of those, so that's like max twenty-five, and I feel those. Like a lot harder than like the RSO tablets.

SPEAKER_04 43:23

Well, when I ate my what was it how many can candies are in the packet of Deer Floor? I think it's like I think it's like it's like twelve, right? It's like ten or twelve.

SPEAKER_02 43:34

Yeah, it's like a hundred, hundred twenty million.

SPEAKER_04 43:36

I ate the whole pack and then I felt it.

SPEAKER_02 43:39

You felt it after?

SPEAKER_04 43:40

Yeah. See, like it depends because but I also eat a lot of candy in general anyway. Like, if I if I have a pack of Skittles, I'm gonna eat the whole pack of Skittles. I'm not gonna save half of the pack because I remember the whole Skittles pack. No, because I remember the same thing with Deer Flora, I'll eat the whole pack of packages.

SPEAKER_02 43:55

I remember when we went to um the Filipino festival, the Long Beach one. Remember. I had those, uh I had those, like they were like Starbursts. Right? You remember those? Yeah, I remember them. Like, I barely felt those. I didn't feel those at all. Yeah. Like I I remember I ate the whole pack of those, and then I was just like, uh I'm not really like who was there was a w there's one, there's one brand.

SPEAKER_04 44:18

I'm trying to remember what the name of the brand is now. I used to buy it for my mom because it would they also they would also put uh sleep aid in one of their things so that it would help her sleep. And I'm trying to remember the name, but they're their their gummies are pretty good. And I obviously if I can't name the brand, it doesn't do us any good. But those were okay. Like I kind of felt those, but I'd have to eat like five of them. I'd always have to eat a lot.

SPEAKER_02 44:45

So like the old school, the old school like edibles I remember eating. You remember like Chiba chews? Oh yeah. That that was fuck you up.

SPEAKER_04 44:52

Well the Chiba chews were like almost like you were eating a block of hash. Yeah, it was like I 500 to a thousand milligrams. Right, and I ate a thousand milligram one on a plane home to London, and it was the last I I I threw up I threw up on a plane one the first time I threw uh when I when I first rode on a plane when I flew from Chicago to California when after my first trip to California, and then I threw up on a plane when I ate a thousand milligram gummy from Chiba Chews going home from London. Oh, that was bad, bad, bad.

SPEAKER_02 45:27

I think I've told you my Dodger story, like when I was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've told that that story a bunch of times. That brownie, that brownie was like 500 milligrams.

SPEAKER_04 45:37

See? And I was that was a good time. And so, but you don't know when you when when it's like cookies and stuff. Like I remember being at parties in the 90s and even in the early 2000s where I'd eat cookies, like I eat like five cookies and then I'm I'm like blitzed dancing off the walls. Yeah, but well, maybe not dancing off the walls. I'm yeah, I'm not really that nimble.

SPEAKER_02 45:58

You're lying on Richie?

SPEAKER_04 45:59

Like I'm dancing on the ceiling. The fuck. No, but all of that said, part of my my new venture in the Buddha Lounge is to make some tinctures with my excess weed. My the the the weed that that doesn't make it into the jar in the fridge.

SPEAKER_02 46:20

I feel that'd be like a really good sleep egg. Bless you, bless you.

SPEAKER_04 46:26

Bless you. One more. No, okay, good. Yeah. No, I feel like, yeah, I I I feel that too. I feel well, and and the times that I've used tincture, I think it'd be a great for when I'm at work. When you know I can just do tincture. Uh dude, like one one one one.

SPEAKER_02 46:40

You better do you better do your your due diligence in terms of Del C. Oh no, yeah. Because I just can't imagine you just rolling up to where you just put a couple drops under your tongue and then all of a sudden you're just done for the whole day.

SPEAKER_04 46:51

You're just like No, not I and I don't think with I don't know that I've ever I can remember the one time I felt I fell asleep and it was in Chicago with some all different kinds of weed, so who knows what was was laced with what at a party. But I remember falling asleep in the in this pillow room that they set up was almost like a little rave party for the thing. But I've never really ever passed out from weed. Did I ever although I I did fall out one time with you where I fell out and fell on my face in my backyard.

SPEAKER_02 47:23

No, the only time, the only time I had like a like a negative experience with like edibles, I don't know if I ever told you this, but like I was a guinea pig, right? Like uh like I had this I had this friend from high school and he was my dealer for a little bit, right? And uh he hit me up one day, he's like, hey man, you wanna try some you wanna you wanna try out some hash edibles? And I was young and was like, yeah, fuck it, right? Let's do it. Went down to downtown, went to like this, it was like a shady dude's place, right? And uh like they gave me they gave me two edibles, and they're like, here, take two of these and let's see how it uh how it acts, right? And like so I took two and like it it made me hallucinate. It's like it made me hallucinate. And I remember at a certain point, like the guy from high school left, right? And then he was like, Oh, this guy will take you home. And I was like, dude, I don't even know this fool, right? Like, I don't know this guy. And I remember I was sitting there and they had to they they wouldn't let me go home. Like for a little bit. They're like, we gotta see how strong it is, we gotta see how you react to it. And I was like, nah, man, take me home. Like I'm having a bad trip. And like I was like, take me back. And I remember I was like, oh man, these guys are gonna fuck with me. You know, like it was so bad.

SPEAKER_03 48:39

Like, um You were you were a drug, you were a drug dealer's guinea pig?

SPEAKER_02 48:46

I was a guinea pig. And like that's why, like, I didn't think about it because I had trusted my friend from high school, right?

SPEAKER_04 48:52

Lesson learned. Yeah, no, and that's why after trust friends from high school that randomly appear in your life again. If you're out of high school, don't trust random friends from high school because they will use that acquaintance nature of your relationship to lead you into bad things. You know, it was It's always been the case whenever I've seen somebody from high school after the fact.

SPEAKER_02 49:25

I've had I've had decent experiences with guys I've I've got to high school with. Like I just run into like one of the one of the guys I went to high school with, he he saw I was in a car accident, he's a lawyer now, he he got me paid out.

SPEAKER_04 49:38

Well, no, I mean there are some some good things, but sometimes illicit substances, maybe not. Illegal, illegal things. Or in it not even illegal things, but like well, I guess it was at the time it was still illegal, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:52

Yeah, no, it was highly illegal.

SPEAKER_04 49:53

Okay, well, so then never mind. Like I said, friends from high school we get you into bad shit.

SPEAKER_02 49:59

He's the one I told you about that uh remember, like he would show up to my place, he would be on a moped, and then he would wear like layers of clothes. You're revered this?

SPEAKER_04 50:08

Yeah, the sketch that we have to shoot still. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:10

So yeah, so I was telling Eric, like, like this this dude would show up to my place, like I hit him up and I'd be like, hey, uh, you got any you got any weed you can sell me? And then he'd show up on a moped, and then he'd have like 40 layers of shirts and sweaters. And like uh I was like, why why do you do that, right? And he's like, oh well, for one, it keeps the smell in, right? Like he's like, it keeps the smell in, so like if there's dogs or anything, they don't they don't do anything. And second, if I get caught up, I just start shedding layers. So if they're looking for a dude in a red sweater, now I'm in a black hoodie, you know?

SPEAKER_04 50:44

Like dude wore his whole outfit. I remember you told this story before, but that shit is still hilarious to me, and we still need to shoot that.

SPEAKER_02 50:53

So it's it's like the it's like the friends scene, like where Joey wears something. That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_04 50:58

Like, does he ri I how could he ride the moped with all those layers of clothes? That's what I'm still wondering. Uh no, he would he would just do it. Like, it wasn't 40 layers, it was like five layers.

SPEAKER_02 51:08

Yeah, it was it was multiple layers.

SPEAKER_04 51:09

It wasn't like wear multiple layers, so it was almost like a J. Crew model.

SPEAKER_02 51:13

Yeah. No, like more than. Like, maybe like three outfits a month. Like in Los Angeles, he was dressing like he was in fucking Chicago.

SPEAKER_04 51:21

Wow. See, those were the days, and now you have boring ass faring for 20 hours. I know. You kids don't know how easy you have it. Um, but it is so much easier. But at the same time, is it?

SPEAKER_02 51:42

I don't know. I don't know, maybe. I'm not a fan of vapes.

SPEAKER_04 51:45

I'm not a fan of vapes at all.

SPEAKER_02 51:48

But, anyways, well that we'll leave that for another time.

SPEAKER_04 51:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:51

This has been the Kanakuya podcast, where we are cultivating conversations concerning culture, cannabis, and creativity. I think I fucked that up, but it's okay. No, you didn't. I think I No you didn't. You're perfect. Good enough. But I'm Mitch Narito, and I'm faded. And I am Eric Esteban. So to all our marijuana atis and Kanakuya, stay lifted. And stay elevated. Mitch is really faded from this line. Just a little bit. I like the limey. I like the limey. I don't call it lines, they call it limey.

SPEAKER_01 52:23

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SPEAKER_00 53:06

I just in the room you know when I'm still drinking. That's getting more building up. Little bitch on the big beat and drop full. I listen to the You can count on drink up bring the lamp. That's getting more Mr. Middle building, I'm home.

SPEAKER_01 53:59

Yeah, we got hits like that decent machado, man. We know you're not the leader. Cause all the moves you just follow packing big bows. You know we just scooped up that gelato. Cause I smoke killer, my shirt. Hello, yo, ask my dealer. We the highest in the room. Just look no what's in you can find us. Uh song should have more place, but we two dope they rewind us. All my tongue is lined up. Every day my girl get fine up. All my food is local, bitch. I really rock designer. Uh I listen to break up, bring up.

SPEAKER_00 54:32

Yeah, that's in the school and that's getting older. Western metal building, that's a home run.