Restaurant news roundup

It's April in Louisville so plenty of restaurants are opening around town. We go over the latest on this week's Access Louisville podcast. 

We start off the show with a conversation about Web and Honey. This deli is coming to the former ShopBar space at 950 Barret Ave. The deli is being launched by Melissa Ann Culton, the former co‑owner of Bluegrass Pizza & Pub in Danville, Kentucky.

ShopBar closed in June 2025 after six years in business.

After that, we chat about Harry's Taphouse, a Jeffersonville bar and restaurant that's coming to Georgetown. And we discuss Smoketown’s Trellis Brewing, which is launching an in-house kitchen to produce food designed specifically to pair with the brewery’s beers. 

We also discuss a new soul food restaurant coming to Russell, called GiGi's Kitchen, a new location for Indi's Chicken in New Albany and the story behind My Brotha's BBQ, which opened recently in Jeffersonville.

Our next live podcast, "Access Louisville: The State of Dining Out," is set for 4 p.m. April 21 at 500 West Jefferson. Three local chefs are coming on: Noam Bilitzer, of MeeshMeesh, Anne Shadle of Mayan Cafe and Lawrence Weeks of Murray’s Creole Pub. We’ll talk about issues facing the industry, including food costs, changing neighborhood dynamics and more. Tickets are available here.

After the restaurant talk, we get to talking about residential real estate. 

The Louisville region is projected to create jobs, but affordability remains a major concern with one-third of the workforce struggling to afford a one-bedroom apartment, as One Louisville CEO Trevor Pawl noted at a recent event. LBF Reporter Olivia Estright also just had an interview the president of Kentucky Realtors about the issue of affordability and more.

Access Louisville, sponsored by Baird, is a weekly podcast from Louisville Business First. You can follow it on popular podcast services including Apple Podcasts and Spotify. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

The internet freaked out over shop bar. Now there's something new going into that space. We'll talk about that. Plus more restaurant news next on Access Louisville. Thanks for joining us. My name is David Mann, and joining me today are Olivia Estright.

SPEAKER_01 0:29

Hi guys!

SPEAKER_05 0:30

Shea Van Hoy. Hey folks, and Michael L. Jones. How are you doing out there? Access Louable is a weekly podcast from Louisville Business First. Each week we bring you the latest news, along with plenty of sharp opinions on what's going on here in Louisville, Kentucky. A few things before we get into it. First, this podcast is sponsored by Baird. Discover the Baird difference at rwbaird.com slash Louisville. We'll hear more from Baird later in the show. Also, our next live podcast is set for 4 p.m. April 21st at 500 West Jefferson. It's called Access Louisville, the State of Dining Out. And we've got three restaurant folks coming on. We got uh Noam Bilitzer of Meesh Mech and Shadow of Mayan Cafe and Lawrence Weeks of Murray's Creole Pub. We'll talk about issues facing the restaurant industry, including food cost, changing neighborhood dynamics, and more. I'll leave a link in the notes of this show where you can buy tickets. If you're a local foodie, this is not one to miss. We'd love to have you out for it. And we've sort of become a restaurant podcast here lately, but what can I say? It's April, and Michael, a lot of restaurants are opening right now. So I'm just steering into it, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:48

This is a lot of news. Everybody's trying to get open before derby. That's always the last minute uh you know rush.

SPEAKER_05 1:56

Yeah, exactly. Uh I'm sure things will settle down after derby. So uh so uh you know that's we'll just we'll just kind of roll with it for now. Uh first off, I mentioned shop bar in the intro. Shop bar uh is gone now. There was some drama as it went away. You can get into that a little bit. Um, but uh what's gonna take its place over on Barrett Avenue?

SPEAKER_04 2:18

Okay, it's gonna be a deli. It's called Webb and Honey, and it's uh being opened by this woman, Melissa Colton, who uh is the former owner of Bluegrass Pizza and Pub uh in Danville, and she uh moved to Louisville in January after her son graduated from Bellerman. Nice. So uh this is gonna be uh it's gonna have to go food and uh it's gonna have a lot of herbal salves and and different things going on.

SPEAKER_05 2:52

Cool. Leaning into the uh the kind of new age uh product line, it sounds like it it should fit in well in Barron Avenue, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:02

Barrett Avenue corridor. It reminds me of how the Highlands used to be. Yeah with all the mom and pop stores, and there's a lot of uh retail there. Uh it's really been uh kind of fast growing ever since Big Bad Breakfast moved into that old Lynn's Paradise Cafe space.

SPEAKER_03 3:20

Yeah, yeah. Lynn's closed and everyone left, and now there's the breakfast place back and everyone's back.

SPEAKER_04 3:25

Yeah, yeah. And it was Martin's barbecue for a while, but apparently nobody wants barbecue there. It's breakfast. It's breakfast.

SPEAKER_03 3:32

Unless it's maybe barbecue breakfast. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 3:35

Um just to reference the drama a little, I think if if you guys correct me if I'm wrong, the drama was the shop kept being on the verge of closing, and she would post it's gonna close, and then and then people eventually got sick of her. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:50

Uh Natasha Suds, the uh uh former owner uh or co-owner of uh Shop Bar. Uh they were famous for uh having GoFundMe uh campaigns to save the bar, and then you know, they would be like, Oh, we're not opening, and uh after a while people get just got upset about it.

SPEAKER_03 4:16

Yeah, I thought like the the layout and the vibe at Shop Bar was awesome. Like I really like the place, especially this time of year when the weather's getting nice. That an awesome patio, the like little tiny bar was even like in the winter too, it was cozy. Um and it always seemed that there was a decent amount of people there, especially when it was nice, but um, but yeah, it kind of ran its course. And uh, you know, obviously people get angry on Facebook a lot, but they were very angry around all of this stuff.

SPEAKER_05 4:42

Yeah, it's like um and it the concept was a bar where you shop.

SPEAKER_04 4:47

Yeah, it was a bar and boutique, and it seems like Edison's going into that. It's more like a deli in but yeah, uh um when I talked to Melissa, she said it's gonna she's it's gonna evolve as it goes along. She wants to eventually get a liquor license and uh have like local breweries take over the taps like once a week or something like that.

SPEAKER_05 5:13

Speaking of taps, uh Olivia set me up nicely there. Olivia, you just wrote a story about Harry's tap house opening a new location soon, and that's their third location, right?

SPEAKER_01 5:24

Yeah, and it's the first one outside of Clark County, Indiana. Um so this one will be going out to Georgetown, Indiana, near you, David. A win.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

I'm excited.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

Oh my gosh, as you should be, because it's going in the former 812 pizza location. Um so that closed earlier this year. Um but the main location is actually like alongside the river or yeah, alongside the Ohio River out in Jeff. Um but the one interesting thing, I was when I was talking to one of the owners, he said that every three years they're trying to seek out like a new place for a new Harry's Tap House. So uh see you guys again in 2029.

SPEAKER_05 5:59

They've got a little another one. Yeah, they got the cadence mapped out. That's cool. Uh yeah, I've never been to Harry Tap Harry's Tap House in Jeff. I've been by there. It looks like a popular place because there's always a good crowd out there, but excited that it's coming to Georgetown. So love it. Um, all right. Michael, you just speaking of beer places, you just wrote about Trellis Brewery and it's adding food to its menu.

SPEAKER_04 6:21

Yeah, we've had a lot of bad news in the brewery uh sector this year, a lot of closings and things like that. But Trellis Brewing in Smoketown just uh seems to uh be chugging along and doing really well. And they just got a permanent kitchen, in-house kitchen before they had been depending on the food truck. Uh first they would have different food trucks and then they had their own. And uh the demand for the food food program was such that they built a kitchen and they uh brought a chef in from Red Hog, which is a restaurant and butcher shop. Yeah. And so uh their new menu is gonna be kind of focused on hot dogs and then other things that pair well with the beers that they're brewing. Yeah. And so that is gonna open this week. So by the actually the day that the spy cats comes out. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 7:20

So you could you could hear this and go out there this weekend. Uh that sounds cool. Uh, just the food like makes me want to go visit. I've been the trellis, but it makes me want to go visit more because there's food. Is that is that everybody or is that just me?

SPEAKER_04 7:32

Well, they're wanting to broaden their audience, but but beyond just people uh who uh are drinkers, you know, they want to try and get families in. So they're also uh building a kid's playground and they're working with the omestead uh uh Parks Conservancy on that, and they're doing other things just to um, you know, be more family friendly. Uh they also you know have a cocktail program now for people who don't want aren't beer drinkers, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:09

And yeah, that also leads to the another question of you know, there's a especially among people who like breweries, there's the debate like, should you bring your kid to a brewery uh in the first place? So there's always that. Which I mean, I know it happens. Well, it happens anyway, but maybe they're going for like this is the brewery where you're gonna bring, you know, your kids to, uh, or then, you know, of course, then it's also the dogs, like, do you bring your because if brewery doesn't have food, then usually dogs can come in, and so that's always the thing.

SPEAKER_05 8:35

And that must be I've always wondered why breweries are more friendly with dogs than other places. I guess it's because they don't have food. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:41

So they the law is or like brewery cats, because yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:46

Yeah, Trellis is kind of like a destination place because you know it's in Smoketown and it's on that uh merchant's ice property, it's kind of set away. Yeah, they they told me they are getting a sign, uh, but uh they're doing things to bring people to them because they don't have the foot traffic that some other places have. But it was working out for them. Yeah, it's a really cool building.

SPEAKER_03 9:13

They did a really nice job with it.

SPEAKER_05 9:14

Yeah, and it's next to a very recognizable. If you live in that part of town, you know this building. It's the giant the one tower in that part of town. And it's uh it's falling apart. They had plans for that tower too, but I don't think they've started work on that. But um, but yeah, it's right there beside that tower.

SPEAKER_04 9:31

Yeah, and the flea off market has moved to that property, they're holding it there once a month. Oh, and so that's like a built-in audience for them, and they're in walking distance of the Florida flea. So they do in Smoketowns, and you know, we did a cover story about how it's developing.

SPEAKER_05 9:50

Yeah. Is the flea off market? Do they have it in the parking lot there? Uh yeah. Oh, cool. Yeah, it's a big parking lot, so I could see that. Uh, let's see. Olivia, you did a story called My Brother's Barbecue, and it just opened, and you explained that this business started with a gust of wind.

SPEAKER_01 10:05

Yep, exactly. Um, so when I spoke to the owner um and pit master, Jason Lee, he said he was standing on his back porch of the home that he'd been living in for two years at this point, and all of a sudden, this like massive wind just blew and it knocked off his neighbor's smoker cover. Um, and that was when he was like, maybe I should try to give this a give this a go.

SPEAKER_03 10:28

What a stroke of inspiration. Like, wow. A light came down on the smoker and he went, ah, this is it.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

This is the moment.

SPEAKER_05 10:35

Yeah, yeah. Well I should be doing that.

SPEAKER_01 10:37

There you go. It's like I feel like that's a lot of people's like mid to quarter life crises, is just smoking. That was my dad's at least. So smoking. We're smoking meat. No, no. Yeah. So he started going buying packs of cools. Now we're talking. Um but he's I'm a meat smoker.

SPEAKER_04 10:58

Now cigarettes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

Uh but yeah, so that started his mobile uh grilling operations hobby. Um and then he and now it's a family affair. So for the past six years now, he and his family have just sort of been sort of door-dashing food to people. But now they have their uh storefront and it's located over in Jeffersonville at 108 Eastern Boulevard, and it it doubles as a convenience store and a restaurant, and so it's Sonny's Corner as well, so that's named after his father. Um, so if you are interested in getting some pulled pork, some brisket, and then maybe some a bag of chips, that's the place to go.

SPEAKER_05 11:33

Yeah. Eastern Boulevard's a lot of cool places over there. Yeah, it's got it's got personality. Yep. So true. Uh all right, Michael. Uh, you just also wrote a story about Gigi's kitchen, which is open, it just opened in Russell on Easter Sunday. I thought it was interesting because uh the owner has ties to the neighborhood. Speaking of Easter Sunday, uh church connection.

SPEAKER_04 11:55

Yeah, yeah. Uh the owner, Alan Evans III. Uh, he his father was a pastor for like 40 years at St. James Missionary Baptist Church. So there's actually a street named after his father near his restaurant. And uh Gigi's Kitchen is a reference to his mother. And I was uh saying earlier uh that space used to be Mama Shoddy's. Uh it was a Middle Eastern restaurant and was named after the chef's mother. So apparently mothers are really inspirational to our chefs.

SPEAKER_05 12:32

Uh see also Mama's Barbecue.

SPEAKER_04 12:34

Uh yeah, oh yeah. So uh this this is like a soul food restaurant, and um he um is uh just getting started. He actually started out as an accountant at Texas Roadhouse and he said he fell in love with the restaurant business, and so he wants this to be a gathering place. He said his family's home was like kind of the place where everybody got together. Uh and the uh this place at one time was supposed to be the second location of Chef Shack's kitchen, and we had done the story on that, but I don't I don't know that he ever actually opened there, just didn't materialize, I guess. Yeah, should have named it after his mother. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:23

Chef Shack's mom's kitchen. Um, all right, let's see here. Olivia, one more restaurant story. You just wrote a story about Indy's chicken. Where's it going?

SPEAKER_01 13:32

Oh, yeah, it's headed out to New Albany, its first New Albany, Indiana location over on Grant Line Road. It's heading into the um former Skyline Chili location. Um, and it's planned to open ahead of Derby. I was checking the one Southern Indiana, the Chamber of Commerce out there, their like ribbon cutting ceremony schedule, and it looks like the ribbon cutting is set for the end of April. So Indies Chicken will be out in New Albany soon.

SPEAKER_05 13:56

I'll take Indies over Skyline any day.

SPEAKER_01 13:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:00

What do you think? No, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:03

But I'm not that isn't that's not as much a slight on Indies as it is my affinity. But I have a skyline near my house. I can walk to Skyline from my house, so I'm not so I'm uh please. Yeah. I think people have a lot of opinions on Indies chicken. I don't know what it is. Yeah, it's indies and then chicken king, and they're like sort of similar in like like the wings are kind of similar in the end. I've never seen Chicken King. Where's that? There's one down on Broadway, East Broadway. Yeah. I love the same collar scheme.

SPEAKER_04 14:31

So I'm I'm an Indies person. Yeah. Olivia, have you been the Indies chili?

SPEAKER_01 14:36

I have I was gonna say haven't been to a skyline chili, nor have I been to an Indies. So really, but everyone here I feel like has such intense fast food opinions. So I just kind of like to absorb those and then maybe I'll I'll decide to head out there.

SPEAKER_05 14:49

But don't get her started on Sheets gas stations.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

Oh my gosh. Coming to Indiana. Yeah, truly.

SPEAKER_03 14:55

We didn't write exactly where yet. Yeah, we didn't write about this yet, but other outlets in kind of central Indiana have picked up that they're what looking at how many stores? A hundred?

SPEAKER_01 15:04

A hundred stores over the next 10 years across Indiana. And the I did reach out to the marketing person and he did say most of them are heading to Indianapolis for now.

SPEAKER_05 15:13

Didn't the marketing person get in touch with you after you brought them up on this? Yes, I did.

SPEAKER_01 15:18

So shout out Access Louisville listeners.

SPEAKER_03 15:20

And tell people if they don't know what if they haven't been East yet tell what Sheets is to you.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

Is another big red gas station, but it's the best. It's uh Sheets is greater than Wawa. That's all I have to say.

SPEAKER_05 15:33

But I've heard it from you. And I have the correct opinion.

SPEAKER_01 15:36

Steve is wrong. I'm right.

SPEAKER_05 15:38

This will be fun. If they do come, we can do some kind of like Sheets versus Wawa. Yeah. That'll be accessable. It'll be our next live show. Now we're talking.

SPEAKER_04 15:47

Wawa people are really fervent in their gas stations.

SPEAKER_03 15:52

Pennsylvania, it's intense Pennsylvania gas station rivalry. So we we could do remote, like a couple of us could go to a Wawa, another go to Sheets and just start talking to people about it.

SPEAKER_05 16:01

The way that I first tried indies was we did a taste test of wings at the News and Tribune Shay when me and you both worked there. We went to several wing places and like tried these different wings, and one of them was Indies. And that's how I first got on board the indies train.

SPEAKER_03 16:16

But uh with guests, we were hot ones before hot ones existed. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 16:22

Um, yeah, we I think we did it around Super Bowl time. I think it was like a feature we did. But anyway, uh yeah, I don't think we'd want to do that on this podcast because that would be messy, and there's cameras now. So yeah. Uh all right. Well, with that, we'll go ahead and take a break and get a message for our from our sponsor. After that, we'll be back. We'll talk about a little uh residential real estate news. So stay tuned.

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SPEAKER_05 17:19

Okay. Olivia, you just covered a panel on affordable housing, and the news there was pretty, well, I would say startling, but actually not all that surprising, I guess. It, you know, it continues to be an issue for the region.

SPEAKER_01 17:34

Yeah, the topic is always affordable housing and how we can accomplish it and how we can bring more of it to the city, but it's nothing's really happening in that regard. So one of the biggest things that was brought up is that one-third of the workforce here struggles to afford a one-bedroom apartment. And with home prices skyrocketing more than 20% since 2020, half of Jefferson County renters are spending at least a third of their income on housing. Um, and I mean, the at the this was through One Louisville, and they talked about how there needs to be greater collaboration between government departments. So whether that's transportation and infrastructure, just making sure people are actually working together to accomplish these projects, that was one of the big takeaways. Another one is just the continued demand for middle housing. And that means any housing that kind of falls in between the single family homes and then large apartment complexes. Um oftentimes we uh Louisville just has a str I feel like I've noticed this since I started reporting. We struggle to get like condos, duplexes, triplexes, fourplexes, anything else other than apartments and single family subdivisions. And maybe that's just something I'm noticing as I go or haven't come across as much, but that was another big topic. And then the last takeaway I had from that conversation was that multifamily developments and the noise from people living in those areas play a major role in how um those developments sort of progress. Oftentimes people are loud online and we see that every day.

SPEAKER_05 19:09

Yeah, we do.

SPEAKER_01 19:11

But people sort of forget that um there's a lot of planning that goes into these. I mean, traffic is always an issue and it's always a topic, but the planning process includes how to sort of mitigate that those traffic issues and just the general issues um when it comes to zoning and all of that stuff. So there's a lot of negative perceptions online without people listening to what the developers have to say sometimes. So that was another thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:35

I've talked to a lot of frustrated developers who have spent money, gotten plans approved, and then they have a public hearing, and there's a couple of neighbors that are complaining about something, and they all their plans get thrown out.

SPEAKER_05 19:53

A lot of times, the first time you hear about these any development, housing or residential, single family, or apartments is when people start complaining about it. So like it's like the developer may need to do a better job, like saying, here's what you're getting rather than here's what's mean. Up front PR. Yeah, upfront PR to be like, okay, we're doing this and this is why it's good for the region.

SPEAKER_04 20:16

Or do the public hearing earlier in the process.

SPEAKER_05 20:20

Yeah, and like it seems like um, you know, a lot of times, like we were talking about this place in St. Matthews this morning, and um, you know, I hadn't heard about it until the online fervor started, you know. So uh so a lot of times that's the case. Uh you also well, I I I'll just note this our uh parent company just did a story citing uh Redfin, uh and it it predicted uh that uh home prices could return to a state of normalcy, whatever that means, uh, by 2030. Um and that would be I guess it's saying where the medium monthly mortgage payment to income ratio is about 30%. So that's according to a a an analysis from Redfin, which is a real estate uh a real real estate tech firm. Um, and uh they they were predicting that. And then Olivia, you did a story, you talked to Ann Elizabeth, uh oh excuse me, Ann Elizabeth Delaney, uh Kentucky Realtors president, and she told you the average first-time homebuyer age has gone way up, right? Yeah, I believe it.

SPEAKER_01 21:25

Yeah, I that's what I'm saying. Uh it's so it used to be like 25 to 35 year olds were looking to buy homes, and I think now it's pretty obvious that that age is not even close to that. It's up in the average first-time homebuyer age is now 40 years old, she told me. And that is one, as president now, that's one of her top priorities is promoting homeownership, especially when it comes to young adults. Um, and the way they do that is by addressing the why. And that why tends to be that people in their 20s and early 30s enjoy renting or that they just can't afford what they want. want. And she said they're still figuring out how to address that more or just in a better way, but it just takes time. And hopefully by 2030 then, once interest rates will allegedly be more than a lot of things.

SPEAKER_03 22:15

Four years crazy to think about it.

SPEAKER_05 22:19

And then you're breaking the trend. You're not you're not 40, but you're out there. You're out there trying to find that house. How's your uh your personal house hunt going?

SPEAKER_01 22:29

You know it's going. Yeah. It's so I part of me is I think I'm just stubborn and I'm like, ooh, like I want to break those statistics. I just turned 24 so now I'm like, all right, I'm on the hunt. But I have been looking for about probably three months now, like intensely. And I've I'm thinking about putting an offer out on a condo right now, which is scary, but fun. I'm excited. Yeah. The biggest issue though is I'm looking mainly at condos at this point, like two beds and then one to two baths. The biggest issue I'm seeing is the prices are really high for kind of mediocre condos in mediocre locations. And then on top of that, a lot of condo complexes in this area are asking for like$500 in HOA fees. And that's something that our parent company just had a story on just how HOA fees are literally squeezing people who even want to step in, get their foot in the door with residential real estate. So I'm I'm kind of seeing that it's really cool to kind of parallel my life right now to what I'm reading about and reporting on. But it's also really annoying. You're living the statistics.

SPEAKER_04 23:33

I am I get it now. I think a lot of people overpaid during the pandemic and now they're trying to get their money out and it's harder to do because you know my mother-in-law is actually trying to sell a condo right now and I think it's been on the market since October.

SPEAKER_03 23:53

Well there you go let's make a deal right here. Okay. Okay. Well that was I wasn't on the podcast last time.

SPEAKER_01 24:03

That was the other thing though that uh the president of Kentucky Realtors had told me because we have been going back and forth I feel like on whether the market right now is a buyer's market or a seller's market. She said it is clearly still a seller's market here. And I'm like I I don't think I'm seeing either side at this point. I feel like every day it's something new. It's just so hard to track but who knows.

SPEAKER_05 24:24

It's tough. Yeah um I I know uh I hope you get it you know I think it's uh it it that is frustrating with the the condo fees though like what are they spending that money on?

SPEAKER_03 24:34

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 24:35

I mean they need it for like lights and mowing the property like that cost you that much?

SPEAKER_04 24:41

Come on come on H O A and are they gonna make you subscribe the cable to you?

SPEAKER_05 24:46

Oh man like it's part of that fee yeah oh really sometimes they do that yeah that's ridiculous. Uh all right one more topic before we go to wrap things up Shay you just had a story about the Waterfront Botanical Garden and they made an interesting hire.

SPEAKER_03 25:06

Yeah um so not we don't write a lot about hires that aren't executive level um but you know part of something being newsworthy is uniqueness. And so this was a unique story. The Waterfront Botanical Garden's a nonprofit down there on Frankfurt Avenue site of a former landfill that they've been developing into a beautiful gardens over the last few years has hired a woman named Angelica Ramirez and um she is in essence the bonsai master there the bonsai tree master so um she will be kind of overseeing the bonsai collection which they've been accumulating uh over the last few years. Actually just at the very first of the month they broke ground um on construction elements for both the garden and for the bonsai house so there'll be a little house for the bonsai trees uh right now they have more than 40 bonsai and including an 1100 year old boxwood that they call Father Paul. So apparently it is not on site yet it is somewhere else but it will be at the uh at the gardens eventually um and then also they have their uh bonsai weekend which this will be I think the fourth year for that coming up at the end of May uh where they bring in a couple thousand visitors from all over who are bonsai enthusiasts so figuring Angelica will be like in in the fold then to to talk about that uh and then actually next week uh we'll be recording a talk uh not sure exactly when it'll air depending on scheduling but Philip uh Kester who's the uh head of the waterfront garden so just a little teaser that he's coming on uh to schedule next week to talk to me about uh all things with the gardens they've been aggressively fundraising I think now their net assets are up over 20 million um they've got you know a lot of land there but a lot of a lot of room to expand as well and they've already got the event center open if if you've ever been out there it's really nice.

SPEAKER_05 26:47

Yeah yeah uh looking forward to that that's a cool uh attraction out there so perfect this time of year too um but I think that'll do it for this week's show um before we sign off let's go around the room and let folks know where they can find us on social media olivia I'll start with you mainly on LinkedIn under my name all right and how about you Shay yeah LinkedIn and also I'm fairly active on Blue Sky uh under Shea Van Hoy all right how about you Michael Facebook and LinkedIn as Michael L.

SPEAKER_04 27:16

Jones.

SPEAKER_05 27:17

All right and you can find me under my name DavidMann on LinkedIn and if you like this podcast you can find it under a lot of different popular podcast services but Apple and Spotify are our most popular so check us out wherever you get your podcast. Thank you very much Olivia thank you Shay thank you Michael thank you Baird for the support of course thank you guys for listening to us out there and we'll see you next time. Bye for the