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Restaurant news roundup
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We serve up a packed restaurant roundup on the Access Louisville podcast this week, including some familiar names and new concepts entering the market.
Reporter Michael L Jones starts us off with an update on Captain's Quarters' plans for a new event venue. The Boathouse, as the space will be called, will consist of a 1,700 square foot main hall and a 600-square-foot patio. The space will accommodate up to 100 guests for seated dinners and 140 guests for cocktail-style receptions.
Additionally, we chat about the news that KingFish, one of Louisville's longtime and very recognizable restaurant brands, is up for sale. Senior Reporter Joel Stinnett notes that the business, as well as the riverfront real estate from its two locations (in Louisville and in Jeffersonville, Indiana), are on the market.
We also chat about a new pan-Asian concept headed to the former Anoosh Bistro space, called Wasabi; the upcoming auction of the former Bakersfield space in the Highlands; and the opening of Magnolia Bakery in NuLu.
Beyond restaurants, the discussion turns to real estate, including the collapse of the Meidinger Tower deal and what it could mean for Fourth Street Live. We also discuss the listing of the former Old National Bank office space on Main Street and talk about a long-awaited affordable housing development coming to the Merriwether neighborhood.
Late in the show, Stinnett reflects on the passing of Charles Griffin Sr., a longtime downtown business owner who died recently at age 84. And we chat about the upside to Publix signing a lease in the Highlands.
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We have a classic restaurant news update. That's next on Access Louisville. Thanks for joining us. My name is David Mann, and joining me today are Michael L. Jones.
SPEAKER_03How are you doing out there?
SPEAKER_02And Joel Stinnett.
SPEAKER_03Hello, everyone.
SPEAKER_02Access Louisville is a weekly podcast from Louisville Business First. Each week we bring the latest news and plenty of sharp opinions on what's going on here in Louisville, Kentucky. This podcast is sponsored by Baird. Discover the difference Baird can make in your financial life at rwbaird.com/slash Louisville. We'll hear more from Baird later in the show. But for now, let's get into this restaurant news. I'm trying to space out the restaurant news, Michael, and just do this once a month so we don't overload people with restaurant news, but the time is coming. We've got some good ones here. Um couple of iconic institutions in Louisville to talk about up here up top. First of all, Captain's Quarters has a big expansion plan. What's going on with them?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, they are building an event space and extra storage, and it's going to be called the boathouse. And it's uh gonna have on the first floor, it'll be 1,700 square uh feet uh in the main hall, and then like a 600 uh square foot patio. It'll be able to seat like a hundred uh guests, and uh 140 guests could could be cocktail style, and this will allow them to host more private events without interrupting regular restaurant service, but it also is is uh functional because you know, as we know, it floods out there. And uh, you know, uh they have this pump system that's supposed to help them. Uh, but last, I think it was last year, the the flood water got so high they had to shut off the pump system because it the water uh reached it. And so the second floor of the boathouse will be for storage because right now they have to load everything up, move it, take it off site, and then load it back in. So this way they'll be able to keep keep everything in one place. And so I talked to uh one of the owners, Brian Masterson, and he basically says, you know, our backs will thank us. I bet I bet.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and and the uh renderings they had look beautiful. So uh I think that'll be a good spot for them.
SPEAKER_03I know a lot of people Yeah, it's a great addition to River Road, yeah, that area. And um, you know, he says that they get a lot of um of uh you know people wanting to do meetings there or uh other kinds of special events and they don't always have the capacity uh for it. So this uh will also uh give them that capacity, but help them when the next flood comes because we know it's gonna flood.
SPEAKER_02It always does.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Uh speaking of uh fish fish stories, uh this is a big one, Joel. Uh Kingfish uh has uh you had a big story on Kingfish today. What's going on with them?
SPEAKER_01Well, the owners of the uh historic restaurant brand here in Louisville have put the business as well as its two remaining restaurants on the market for $14 million. Uh for those in Louisville, of course, that includes the restaurant on River Road, uh, which has a uh 17,000 square foot restaurant along with the the large lawn that you know people all people go to to watch the riverboat race or to watch fireworks. Um that one's on the market for $8 million. And then we have the Jeffersonville location, which is right there, um, kind of in between 2nd Street Bridge and the 65 Bridge. Uh that's on the market for six million dollars. And uh you know, they're hoping to be able to sell both those and the business as a package deal, but they're also open to just selling one or the other, yeah, or just selling the properties without the business and having somebody redevelop them.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. It's uh definitely a uh end of an era, it seems like that's a long-running restaurant here in Louisville's.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, no, I was um telling the broker this morning that you know I have fond memories of driving down Barston Road and seeing the the Kingfish restaurant that looked like a boat. Yeah, it was like yeah, and think it was the coolest thing, a restaurant shaped like a boat. Um, but no, I have great memories of going to even the one on River Road as a kid and watching the steamboat race and things like that. So hopefully the brand continues on.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. When's the last time you were at Kingfish? It's been a while. When something closes, I write a story about something old closing, people are all uh angry and like, oh, I you have these memories. But I'm like, when was the last time you were actually there? That's gonna help them more than your memories.
SPEAKER_02That's that's totally true.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, no uh I I don't know when the last time I was the one in Louisville, it's been a while. The one in Jeffersonville I used to go to every once in a while back when I had a restaurant over there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess that was uh pretty pretty close by too. So all right. Well, um speaking uh we'll we'll not dwell on old things, we'll talk about new things coming to town. Michael, you just had a story about a new pan Asian restaurant that's opening in the former Anush Anoush Bistro space. Uh speaking of spaces that people all love and revere.
SPEAKER_03Yes, and this is this space has been a lot of things recently. Uh since Anoush closed. Um it was uh Eda for a while, a Swedish restaurant, then it was the hen house, and now it's Wasabi. And so uh I talked to Dylan Lynn, who is uh one of the owners of Wasabi, and it's Elizabethtown um uh restaurant chain. They have two locations there, and this is their first location. And uh Dylan told me that uh he wanted to be on brown that part of Brownsboro Road because the VA is coming, and uh he he thought it'd be good traffic, and so um it but this is a more elevated version of Wasabi than you'll find in Elizabeth. Uh he took the um all of his employees to Elizabeth town to train and everything. He said it's the best shelf chefs and stuff, and so uh it's a lot of it's mostly Japanese uh style, but he has a a Chinese um menu, they have hibachi, any kind of Asian food you like, they have here. He's gonna have high-end Japanese whiskies. Yeah. And um it was I I can tell you, I ate, I had lunch there, and uh I didn't order off the menu. He just brought me stuff, but he brought he brought me some kind of like um uh tuna tar tar that it was just amazing. Oh, good. Yeah, like I was like, I'm bringing my wife back. And you try a lot of places, yeah. And I eat a lot of places, and I I eat a lot of Asian food, and I was really impressed by what uh he gave me. Yeah, that's cool.
SPEAKER_02I'm glad to see an Eat Town restaurant making it up here. Yeah, I'm looking at the dishes in your story. There's a photo of uh looks like a uh a poke bowl of some time, of some kind, and uh it looks pretty good. So um and the space looks nice, what they did with it too. So uh speaking of spaces, um you had a story about a pretty well-known restaurant space, Joel, that's up for auction in the Highlands. I think we all know this is Bakersfield or uh Hopcat space, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, this is a pretty recognizable property um on Barstown Road. Went on the market uh last year for $2.75 million and did not sell. So now they're auctioning it off. Um auction price uh a minimum of $1.95 million. Uh biddings open now uh through August 26th. Uh they're really hoping to find um someone to either open up another restaurant there, but it could also, it's so large and has so many different um just kind of different rooms in it that could be easily split up into different retails, they said. And what's really kind of rare about this property is that it actually has some parking spaces.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's true.
SPEAKER_01It's um which is very hard to find the Highlands.
SPEAKER_02That's true. Shea balked at that though. Uh he said, I think they have like six spaces. It's not a lot, it's mighty like more than that.
SPEAKER_01I think it's like 12 or 13, but still, I mean, it's not not like you maybe you can do uh some um yeah uh get a valet or something.
SPEAKER_02Well, uh yeah, it's more than most uh restaurants in the Highlands, I'll say that. Um uh I wonder about this. I'm going off script here, but like what was it about that space? I I think Hopcat was uh had the whole space, and then since Hopcat left, they've been trying different things on different levels of the space, but that hadn't really worked. So I don't know if it's just that's the state of Barstown Road restaurants or if that's um if it's just too big or or what it is. So I don't know.
SPEAKER_01I'll defer to the restaurant reporter on why I may not have succeeded, but yeah, I mean it is a huge space for any restaurant, uh especially kind of a they're both kind of chain-ish restaurants. Yeah, you know how Barstown Road is with chains, don't always succeed there.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's true. You need a destination, something that's really a destination.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, game yards and that sort of things, you know, do well. But um, yeah, so yeah, I guess it's just uh it's a large space. I'm always curious about it because it wasn't when they bought it, they bought it and then made it bigger. They added a story to it, which I always thought was a crazy thing to do. But uh anyway, moving on. Um, Michael, you had a story. You guys have both written about this place, uh, but uh Michael, you had the latest story on it. It's a new bakery in Newload, and it's sort of famous uh from from TV.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, uh Magnolia Bakery. It's in Newload, it's right next to where the house of Murray Gold uh is opening a new space. It's in the Zen building or Zen 620, is what it's called, and it's a mixed-use project from uh Zio. And so uh Magnolia Bakery, a lot of people know it because it's been on TV shows like Sex in the City and Saturday Night Live, and uh it was in the Devil Wears Prada. And it sort of started out in New York, and they have 10 company stores, eight of them are in New York, and it's one in Chicago and I think LA. And they have uh one other um franchise store in uh St. Um Salt Lake City. Salt Lake City. Yeah, and so uh then Louisville, yeah, and that's because of the franchisee, her, and I hope I don't murder her name, it's Alex Nessenthaler. I think you got it. And uh she uh used to work in New York and became uh a big fan of it, and she worked in fashion, decided she wanted to do a change, and so she um got the rights to do three uh of the bakeries in Louisville for uh within the next three years. And uh she opened the first one in New Lou and she was the nicest lady, but secretly I think she was trying to kill me because she kept trying to stuff me with desserts. I mean, I had the banana pudding, and then they have a banana pudding bar. So she was like, Do you want to try the bar or two? And then everybody kept giving me desserts, and I was just like, I'm gonna go into a diabetic coma or something. Like, do you have real food here? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Which which which one from the bar did you get?
SPEAKER_03I I just did the banana pudding and then I took they gave me a uh to-go box that my wife took to work.
SPEAKER_01I came in there before you before you got there, and because I love banana pudding, and uh tried the banana pudding bar with uh I think it was caramel and brownies on it, which I didn't know if that would be a good combo, but it was actually really good. Yeah, that does sound good.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and I talked to a few of the Magnolia executives when they were there, and they were like the the only reason we're in Kentucky is because of Alex, you know, she's the kind of person that we wanted. Uh and so like uh they're uh slowly roll rolling out uh like uh their franchise program, yeah, and they're looking for people like her who can do multiple units.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's a weird list of cities to go New York, LA, Chicago, even Salt Lake City, because it's kind of becoming a yeah, uh, you know, it's it's a very rich area.
SPEAKER_03But they're Louisville, throw Louisville at the time. But they they said New Lou, like they have visited and uh they love New Lou. And you know, Louisville's up and coming as far as tourism, so they felt like it was a perfect fit for their brand. And the reason uh that they're in Chicago is that uh Wending Execs is her hometown. Oh, yeah. Yes. She put one in Chicago. Uh but uh it it seemed to be popular, like even uh months before it opened, like people would ask me, like, you know, when is that gonna open? Like I was an insider or something.
SPEAKER_02I was just like You are, you gotta you gotta remember, you are an insider, you know all this stuff.
SPEAKER_01Of course, Zio's based in New York, uh, where Camposano is as well. There's another connection there, and I spoke to them too, and they said Nulu reminds them of the neighborhood they first opened their first bakery in um because they had a lot of restaurants in that neighborhood that would come and get dessert after they'd go eat at the restaurants, yeah. And so there's this opportunity to Nulu for some of that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and banana pudding is definitely like it has a southern thing to it. So I think I think it'll do very well here. So um, all right, Michael, one more story. This is an interesting one. It's a uh cafe plus like a vintage fashion shop, like a thrift shop, and it's opening in the highlands, and it sounded like the founder wanted to give people a place to hang out, but without alcohol, without pressure of drinking, and that sort of thing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. This is this it's a very young couple. They were very sweet. He he sells already sells vintage clothes online, and then uh his his girlfriend uh liked baking, so they'd decided to combine both of their passions into this business, and it's gonna open later this year. Uh but um you could tell that they did not, you know, they're young people, so they didn't uh really uh think about how renovation would work, how long it would take. Yeah. And so uh when I went in there, uh for it was like still pretty rough. We ended up having to go down to uh a coffee shop and talk, but they they were very enthusiastic about this, and it's right across the street from uh Prada uh uh 264 and um Mimi's Cafe. That's like Eastern Parkway, right? Yeah, yeah. And so uh this will have um like um the the vintage clothes. Um Jason does Louisville Love, if anybody's ever seen that brand online, and they'll have uh Vietnamese coffee and teas, and then they'll do uh like pastries, different pastries and stuff. And he and they they will have late night events because uh that's one thing he said is that he didn't drink and that uh he wanted someplace to build a community for people who wanted to be out at night but not yeah, you know, consume alcohol.
SPEAKER_02He kind of centers around alcohol.
SPEAKER_03And that was kind of the concept that the old Louisville coffee co-op had. Right. They were uh uh open, you know, until 11 or 12 on the weekend. So uh I wish them well.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it seems like a cool business. And uh, you know, I think there is more appeal for that. It's like especially with Gen Z, uh a lot less drinking among the Gen Z crowd.
SPEAKER_03So yeah, Steven has uh written many stories about how Gen Z isn't drinking enough.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, not enough for the bourbon industry in Kentucky, but anyway, moving on from restaurants, uh Joel, you had a couple of big real estate stories this week, too. Uh the biggest I would say is the deal for Meiding Yower has fallen apart, it sounds like sometimes uh report stories that you don't want to report.
SPEAKER_01This is kind of one of those. But according to multiple sources that are familiar with what's going on in that deal, uh it has fallen apart. Don't know exactly the reason why, um, but several of the sources hinted towards it being um for financial reasons connected to the price. Price reasons. Um might remember about four months ago, uh Jefferson County Circuit Judge approved the sale of Meidinger Tower uh to Kinmarr, uh, which is based in Indianapolis. Uh Kinmarr also purchased uh the uh 401 South 4th Street building, the former BW building, uh just on the other side of 4 Street Live a couple years ago, and are playing turned that into a JW Marriott. So it kind of made sense that they would, you know, want have an interest in buying Meidinger and be able to kind of control both sides of 4 Street Live and have an interest in seeing both do well. Um but unfortunately, for uh whatever reason end up being that deal um is falling apart and they're not gonna be part of it as of right now. Yeah. And uh Meidinger Tower will have to look for another buyer.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And you address this in your story a little bit, but it probably is gonna have implications for the rest of Fourth Street Live and other redevelopment projects around there. Um, so what and Michael, feel free to weigh in here too, because I know you've covered Fourth Street Live, but uh, what do you think the implications are?
SPEAKER_01Well, most immediately you look across the street to the Starks building. Um, of course, that's been for like five years now. They've been trying to redevelop that into at first some um uh affordable housing for artists, now it's gonna be market rate housing is the plan. Um but uh and that's being led by the uh Underhill group. And I just talked to Jeff Underhill uh about a month ago. Um they bought the building uh next door to Starks Building uh to include it in that redevelopment plan. But he said whether or not that plan actually comes to fruition will depend on the success of other projects around the Starks Building. And you gotta think that if Meininger Tower continues to sit mostly empty, whether it's an office building or was converted to a hotel or whatever the plan was with Kinmar, if it continues to sit mostly empty, it doesn't bode well for uh project like the Starks Building.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, for sure. Yeah, and the that's like was gonna be a catlist, I think, for more for the whole corridor, you know, going down to Broadway, it seems like downtown is split because like once you pass like Jefferson Street, like everything is new and you know, there's a lot going on, but uh the Broadway corridor on up to Muhammad Ali just needs a lot of help.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's like Main Street's doing great, you know. Yeah, there's a lot of Main Street, but then like 4th Street, you you really want that to succeed because that's where a lot of tourists are.
SPEAKER_01So not to say that you know it won't, you know, the deal won't get done for the mininger. I mean, obviously four and a half million um for a 26-story skyscraper is it seems like a deal. Um so I'm not saying there there won't be another buyer come along, and of course, if Kim R is successful in redeveloping the BMW and to a um a JW Marriott, um, that could obviously revitalize a lot of forestry live. Um, but not like my to Michael's point further down 4th Street. Uh still the Mininger would have a lot uh of help with that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. And you said you talked to Jeff Funderhill. You don't talk to Jeff, you listen. He's one of those people you ask him one question, and then a half an hour later you might get the comment in.
SPEAKER_02I'd always rather someone talk more than less. That's true. That's that's like two types of hard interview, two different types. You know, you get some people that won't say a word, and then you get some people who it's hard to get a question in but um all right, uh, this is a sensitive story, but uh the former uh old national bank space has also been put on the market. Joel, you did a story about that. Uh the site was the site of the 2023 office shooting where five people were killed at Old National Bank. Um, that's a tough thing to sell, uh, you know, to try and uh put on the market, but I can definitely see why they would want to do it. So what are what are they kind of looking uh to get out of that?
SPEAKER_01It does seem like it could be a difficult sell, but um they have white boxed the entire space, uh meaning they've basically torn out everything that was there and you know redone it to where someone can just come in. And design their own space for that. I put it on the market for $1.5 million. The market president said, you know, obviously it's a it's a they'll always remember that space and always remember the people there. But you know, this is kind of a business decision and works with what they're you know trying to do business wise, and they can't obviously can't hold on to that property forever. Um but it's they can't ask people to work in there, yeah. I mean especially not from old national, yeah. Um but it's a prime location. Yeah. Um, you know, if someone does um want to go in there that you know it's uh high traffic, it's near a lot of attractions, including you know, Slugger Field and Whiskey Row and the Grey Lawn. Um so I I think it's it it could be attractive to someone.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and it's a distinctive building. I mean, it's you know, it's got that uh point on the top of it, and it's a building people live in and and work in, and you know, it's yeah, it's it's like what what can you do with that space? So um anyway, um one more story before we go here, Michael. Uh you had a story about a new affordable housing development that's going into the Merriweather neighborhood, and it sounds like that one had been a long time in the making, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, uh Monarch Station. It's on Bland Street next to the recycling facility. And so it's an 80-unit development. Twenty of the units are for permanent supported housing for people who are experiencing chronic homelessness. And so it has a lot of wraparound services. So there's one, two, and three bedroom apartments, and it's from uh Volunteers of America, uh, mid-states. And we had uh just a few weeks before, I had written about them opening Unity House on the community care campus. So my Monarch Station actually, though, was built on land that was uh donated in 2021 by uh Dan Caudell of Caudell Seed Company. And it's a $21 million development. And um it's uh is so you know, there's been this big push for more affordable housing. Yeah, Merrick Greenberg has made it one of his priorities to up the number. And and so this uh came with a lot of of uh local, state, and federal funding, and there was some philanthropic uh support in there too.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think it's part of that ongoing effort to address homelessness in Louisville, and uh, you know, I think there's that's uh a big problem, and there's a lot of like a lot of different solutions to it, and this sounds like one one piece of that.
SPEAKER_03So yeah, I feel like uh every at least once a week I write about Jennifer Hancock because she's involved in the head of VOA because she's involved in so much. She's in the on the Wii op board and doing different things.
SPEAKER_02And VOA is just doing a lot of stuff right now.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, all right. Well, I think that is it. Uh let's take a break for now. We'll get a word from our sponsor, and we'll be right back after that with uh something to think about.
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SPEAKER_02All right, uh, we are back. Uh before we go, let's wrap up the show. How we always do here with uh something to think about. Michael, why don't you give us something to think about?
SPEAKER_03Well, I'm thinking about going on vacation. And something to think about is David, you're going on vacation. I am. And this is not the first time that we picked the same week to go on vacation. I don't know how this keeps happening, but uh it's always like, oh, David and Michael are out that week.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, um, and uh yeah, we did that, I think, right after Derby too. We both took the week after Derby, and now we're both taking this week, you know. I take a spring vacation and a late summer vacation and uh just.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so I'm gonna be on Lake Michigan chilling out for a week, not thinking about I'll probably think about restaurants, but not covering them.
SPEAKER_02The funny thing is, I honestly took a hard look at going to Lake Michigan as well, but decided against it for various reasons. Uh, just need to stay in town this week. But uh, so I'm just taking a staycation. But um, we will have a show for you. Uh we've uh recorded an interview already, and that'll go up live. But uh, but yeah, that's uh funny coincidence. Uh Joel, why don't you give us something to think about?
SPEAKER_01I want to talk about uh another story I wrote earlier this week, uh the subject of which was Charles Griffin Sr. Uh he was the owner uh and proprietor of Right Way Shoe Repair. Um I did not know uh Mr. Griffin that well, but I wrote a profile on him back in 2017 when I was an intern here at Business First. And um, you know, I I've probably more story than I've ever written. I've had people reach out to me about him and this story over the years, which I think is uh a testament to him and his kindness and just the way he related to people. Um very often I would get people to reach reaching out and be like uh that you know found the story on online or something like that and and talk about how much they they liked Mr. Griffin. And then when he uh and then more recently when the the store closed a couple months ago, uh had more than one person email me or call me, asking me if I knew how to get a hold of him or his family to see if he was okay. Yeah. Um he passed away um uh August 11th, um, at the age of 84. And uh I, you know, I told you I wrote a profile on him, and it's been one of my favorite stories I've ever written, even nine years later. I remember uh at the time when Shay assigned the story to me when I was an intern, being like, what the why is he assigning me a story about a cobbler? Like, I did not want to write that story. I was like, this is kind of BS. I know I'm an intern, but geez, like you know, who was gonna want to read a story about a shoe repair? Yeah. And you know, I went down and interviewed him, and you know, an hour and a half later, I it felt like it'd been 15 minutes. Like he was so nice, he told just such amazing stories, and we just had a great conversation, and it turned out to be, I think, a really good story, one that I really enjoyed writing. And um, that kind of taught me a little bit, I think, about writing about business. That um, first off, don't judge a book by its cover, but also um to try and have you know interviews that are more conversational and that even though we're writing about business and it's numbers and sometimes it can be a little bit boring, that there's always a human element behind it that you can write about. So I learned a lot from him and a lot from doing that story. And um, you know, it's clear that he had a large impact on downtown and the business community.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um, I will uh talk about another Joel story. Joel, you just reported that Publix has signed a lease for the Mid-City market location. Uh, Michael, you were talking about this earlier this week, too. People talk about mid-city mall like it was the greatest thing ever. Yeah, it was full of empty businesses. And it's like a strip mall from the 60s. Come on. Like, why are we why are we so like why we love this place so much? And like I think it's great that the Publix is going there. We always talk about how we need more new grocery stores inside the Waterson. Yeah, that's what this is.
SPEAKER_03I live in O'Louisville. That's probably gonna become my grocery store, but I wouldn't drive to go to Value Martin there. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02And like, um, I hear people complain about uh, you know, there's not enough like the Highlands Kroger's too busy, there's not enough selection to popular level Kroger. So it's like here's a grocery store moving into the middle of the Highlands. I would love it if the public people have great memories.
SPEAKER_03They were there.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so like uh, you know, I mean, uh obviously things like backdoor bar, comedy caravan, those are places that people love and revere. Um, and and but I think there will be this is not just gonna be a Publix, it's gonna be like a shopping center. I think it'll probably have those kind of bars and restaurants that people remember and have a good time in as well. But sounding a Publix for the middle of the city, that's I would I would chalk that up as a win, everybody. Uh but uh but yeah, I'll uh link to Joel's story on that. You can get the details on what all's going on with Mid-City Mall. Um, and it's good that something has been made official. But that is it for this week's show. If you like what you hear, please consider following the Access Louable Podcast on any of the popular services, including Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Thank you very much, Michael. Thank you, Joel, thank you, Baird, for the support, and of course, thank you guys for listening to us out there, and we'll see you next time. Bye.