The Duratus Mind - Nirmal Nims Purja MBE: Project Possible 14/7

Nims Purja MBE, former Gurkha and UK Special Forces SBS soldier, talks to Garry 'Gaz' Banford about Nims' quest to climb all 14 of the 8000m+ mountains in the world in less than 8 months. For context, the current World Record is nearly 8 years!

Focus, mindset, dealing with adversity and other peoples negativity are all covered. Nims currently holds numerous speed WR's for some of the worlds highest peaks including Everest, Lhotse (4th) and Makalu (5th) in less than 5 days. 

This podcast was made in prior to his departure and prior to Nims taking the now iconic picture of the queuing on Mt Everest during his descent of the worlds highest mountain. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:42

The following chat was a conducted prior to my good mate Nimal Purgis setting off on his epic quest of Project Possible. That project is conquering all 14 of the 8,000 plus meter mountains in just seven months. The current record is eight years. His story is truly exceptional. I've released it early due to the critical need of financial support in the next few days to allow NIMS to continue. If you could help, follow the links below. Every little help, but the bigger help is better. Just take a listen, tell me what you think. All comments are welcome at the bottom. These people that you might consider to be elite in their way they think are actually normal, but they have just learned to do a few sort of simple things, and people can relate to that and get elite, you know what, this is something that I could do, but encourage people to just take ownership a little bit rather than just go along with a flow and just live lives that they're just unhappy with. Cool. So when I I mean we we've met each other through work naturally, um, but I think come across you a few times in work, but we'd never worked together, probably won't remember. But we did a handover at some point. Um even then I was mega impressed with how diligent you were in sort of sorting everything out, and I was like, this guy knows what he's talking about. Um, and then when we went on that roadshow to go speak to your unit um about your experiences, I was honestly, mate, and I've spoken to loads of people about this, I was honestly blown away with your story, and it kind of gave me a different context to how much you've achieved, because I think you underestimate probably where you've come from and where you are and where you've got to and where you're going to. Um, and I just think it's an awesome story. So if you don't mind, just tell me a little bit about your background and the journey to where you are now. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:43

Just God. Um God, obviously, um, you know, um, I'm Nirmal, um, known as Nims. Um, I was born in uh in a little village uh of Nepal in a very remote area. Um my parents, you know, we we never came from a rich family. Um so you know how it kind of started is like my two brothers joined the brigade of Gurkhas, um, and that kind of you know uh changed a bit of you know things, lifestyle for us. When they joined the Gurkhas, you know, they they wanted um their younger brother and sister, in this case me and my my sister, to go in a boarding school. So they paid for 10 years of you know like schooling. Um and after that, yes, in 2003, um I joined the Gurkhas. I always wanted to go to infantry, but uh my both brothers were from infantry battalion, so they were like, Nims, you're not gonna come here, okay? So I had to go to Gurkha Indines. Um from there, you know, um I got deployed in in Afghanistan with the Gurkhas first tour. Um before that, you know, I wanted to go to obviously um special forces, uh, but I worked with the Marines in in Herrick 7, and that kind of changed the whole perspective for me. Um so yeah, came back here. Um obviously uh applied for the briefing course and joined pool. That's kind of in a very short introduction to the military, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 4:07

And then so how like your friends back in Nepal, um, so just I what I fascinates me is the contrast between sort of the life you lived and then to what you ended up doing in pool, those kinds of things. And I know we can't go into details, but even golf in in journey is is massive, you know, and the sort of life you've lived now compared to your family that are still back in the pool. Just explain that a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

So I think it is massively different, guys, and also like the whole context of you know, like how you brought up, and then obviously uh but what I believe now is obviously I think is is the the desire of you know uh adapting and achieving something else. And I think and then that's what is kind of pushed me towards this this direction. Um yeah, in terms of lifestyle, you know, of course Nepal is a third world country third world country. Um some of my friends, you know, like if you talk about my school friends, some of them are doing really well. Some of them are like doctors, you know, you know, businessmen and all. But I think my my main desire was, you know, to be to be the girl, to serve in the British military at that point when I didn't knew really about the special forces and all. Um, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

You know, so like your your close family, your aunties, your uncles, I guess they're still back in the pool and what's the thing.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

Yeah, they're still back in the sort of uh sort of conditions like so. I think it's it's more like um you know, you you were at that point before we all joined together because the lifestyle was like, you know, you you work for the day and you you live for it, you know, there's no saving, nothing, you know. Um yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 5:50

I think it's amazing, mate, that you've you've come from that. And people, probably me as well, assume that you've sort of raised in the mountains almost with what we're gonna come on and talk about, but actually not not at all. You just you know, you just had a real basic upbringing that was just uh probably adventurous, and you just wanted to challenge yourself. And the journey that you've gone through from there joining the British Army, meeting some Marines, joining special forces, uh, and the some of the things that you've done, you know, being a pilot for certain specialist bits of equipment that just I bet friends of yours back home just can't even understand the life that you've had.

SPEAKER_00 6:31

Yeah, completely, guys. Of course, you know, like it's it's a completely in a different ball's egg, you know. You try to explain, you know, even like right now, my mom and dad, when I joined the special forces, they think um I got promoted, okay? And they don't really understand the the the inside out of it or the extremities of it, you know. Yeah, so yeah, um it's been you know it's been great. I think um as you said, you know, I was I was born in in uh in a village, uh, but obviously I grew up in in a flat part of the country in Nepal.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

So in your opinion, then what are the hurdles from when you were after your schooling that you sort of had to overcome to get to where you are?

SPEAKER_00 7:14

I think a lot, to be honest. Um obviously joining the brigade of Garka itself is is is a is a big hurdle, you know. You need to have you you don't only necessarily need to be capable, uh, but you've got to be um both you know intelligent as well and and then both physically and mentally fit, and also you need to have a bit of luck as well, because at my point there were like 30,000 people applying for for the um British military, you know, and only 250 people make it to the British uh Gurkhas. So, you know, the competition is tight, you know.

SPEAKER_01 7:47

That is unbelievable. So yeah. So 30,000. So I you know, I've got a story of I joined 40 of us started, just seven of us finished. Um I then on my selection, there was 200 on the start day, and there was 14 of us that finished original. So, but you you've come from like 30, 30,000 collection and one of 250 that were even selected to even start, right? Unbelievable, mate. That's powerful. I've never heard that from you before, you know. That's massive. Okay, that's massive, mate. Um, yeah, and so yeah, so you've you've had to overcome massive hurdles, and then going through the process, so when you were going through when you were going through selection, what were the hurdles that you felt that were different for you that you had to overcome?

SPEAKER_00 8:35

I well, the biggest thing was it's a complete inner adaptation because you know, coming from a Gurkha background, you know, normally, you know, when people see people always think, oh, there will be a language barrier. Um, you know, that's that's the biggest thing. And and normally when people give the you know top tips to to the people, they say, okay, yeah, be a greyman. You know, I could never be a grayman, you know. They will be like straight away, you know, a Gurkha in the slicks, and you know, you you get highlighted straight away. So I think the biggest challenge was just not being able to be a grey man. Um, you know, uh getting, you know, yeah, that was it.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

Yeah, fair point, mate, because I was the ultimate gray man. Don't think they even knew I was until I was in the jungle, you know. Um so what was it that compelled you from being in the um the engineers? Because what was it the seed that was sowed to make you want to go for it?

SPEAKER_00 9:31

Well, if I be completely honest, guys, you know, I always wanted to to push myself, um, and also I always wanted to do the kind of you know impossible stuff. And I think that's that's what who I am. Um I'm being completely honest here. So when I was with the Gurkhas, of course, you know, I heard about SAS and obviously later on I heard about SBS. Um but for me they made it sound like it's impossible. So I was like, well, hang on, you know, there are people doing it, so so let's give it a go. So I think that's what it is. It's a simple, basic, you know, um principle of pushing yourself. Do not make the decision without even without even trying. You know, people people fail themselves because they don't try, they heard of something, rumor, whatever it is, and they they don't go for it, you know. So I think the biggest thing is is God, I think what I've learned is like if you think or if you feel like you can do it, you should do it. Because so many people, like even my instructors, you know, and they all said, you know, Nims, I don't know what you're doing. Do you even know what that is? You know, you know, you're gonna fail. There's no way. But I'm like, okay, cheers, you know. So the point here is yeah, just just believe in your abilities and you cannot fail yourself until you try and you know yourself. I think that's kind of attitude push.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

I I I can completely relate to that, mate. So before I, when I was in college, um, I didn't really know what I wanted to do, but I I knew I wanted adventure. Um, yeah. I remember seeing a TV program at the time and thinking that looks awesome. It was around the Royal Marines. Um, and then I my in my thinking it was well, somebody else has done it before. There's no reason why I can't do it. You know, there's a difference in mindset to people like yourself that are like challenges like a challenge that nobody has ever done before. But for me, I knew I could do it because someone's physically done it before, and that's something that I've always taken forward. There's no reason why I wouldn't be able to do it, it's been done, you know. Then all it takes is me to apply myself to that, and that's what I took forward. And I was the same in college, I'm sure people were like, he's never gonna make that. Um, and but I used that as fuel to for my fire to sort of go, well, I'll I'll show you. And then it was the same when I was in the Marines, all you ever heard about was people failing. Um people used that as an excuse to not even try. Whereas for me, that was like, Well, I may I may know a hundred people that have failed, but I know 10 people that have passed, and if they've then I can be one of those 10, you know, and that and that to me seemed really logical, and rather than as a barrier, I used it as motivation.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 12:15

And that's the biggest takeaway for me, just don't be limited by other people's beliefs, be yeah, be sure about what you want want to do, and if it's physically possible, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. So on that then, mate, so using that rationale, what compels you to go and smash these world records that nobody's ever done before?

SPEAKER_00 12:37

Wow, oh god. So I think again, you know, um, I kind of, you know, I started climbing in late 2012. Uh, my plan was just to go to Everest Base Camp as a trekking, but then um I thought, okay, I'll give it a go. So I learned how to use cramp on on the grass at the base camp and climb 6200 meters mountain. That's how it started. Okay. I knew I was quite strong and I was quite um quite I used to climatize a lot quicker than so many people. I knew that, but I never knew that I had this ability. Okay. So again, coming back into this guys, you know, you know, I climbed Everest solo, I tried everything, but specifically in 2017, I want to bring this up, okay? So 2017 was was a big year for for me and also for the Gurkhas. Um, I was there one of the uh one of the instructors for the Gurkhas. When Everest is there will be a team, designated team, um, they would set the fixed lines. Um, but that year it didn't happen. You know, we were waiting at the base camp for nearly you know more than two weeks. Um, nothing was done, everybody was frustrated. So, yeah, what it meant for for the Gurkhas and for us was you know, like everybody says, Okay, you are Gurkha, you know, you know, Everest is in your backyard and all that kind of stuff. So I felt like you know, there was a huge reputational risk to the Gurkhas as well. So, and also being that um I have been to Everest before I came with the plan that okay, I will go and set up the fixed line. So we we set up the team, um, the Gurkhas and Sheriffas, you know, worked together and and we made it happen. That was the first thing. The plan was to climb Everest, Lotse, and Makalo in in two weeks. That was the initial plan. They are the world first, fourth, and fifth highest mountain. Um, I'll pause there and I'll bring back into this uh another conversation just to link it up. So when I was on Everest, you know, people always ask, you know, hey Nims, you know, what's the plan? You know, uh after Everest, you want to climb Lotse, or you know, because it's next to each other. And I said to them, like, oh, my plan is, you know, I want to climb Everest, Lotse in Macalu in two weeks. And yeah, and and like the whole like the mountaineering community, you know, they are like the guides. They used to laugh at me, like, is it even possible? And um, and also they asked, you know, Nymphs, what do you do for a living? You know, at that point I was I was serving, so I said, Yeah, I work as a paramedic in in rural London because you know, being as a patrol medic, I thought I could cover that. Um, but yeah, I was I was I was you know making a joke out there in the um in in front of the people and I just stay quiet. I didn't spend any energy to convince them. Pause there, I'll pause that thing there now. That's one situation. So now obviously I I submitted Everest, I'm at the base camp. Um it's always hard, guys, because people climb Everest and they don't even recover for three months. You know, this one guy who was within the special forces, he's like Nims. I don't know how you do it, but now I wasn't recovered for three months after that. So just to set up the scene, okay, I'm at the base camp, I'm doubting in my mind, okay, can I go up again? You know, and obviously do all this record. So I was like, or shall I just go, you know, go back. Um, because you know it was towards the end of the season. I didn't I had no money, no funding, nothing. So I was like, okay, I'm just risking here, I'm taking loan here using all that money. So there's loads of questions it comes, you know, in your mind. It's so easy to speak here at the sea level, God. But when you are at that, you know, at that extreme altitude, you know, the whole, you know, it put into perspective. So now I'll pose there. I talk about my brother who paid in for my boarding school and everything. He's like a father to me. You know, I I pretty much obey his words, are like command to me. And he gave me a phone call and it's like, what the hell are you doing? You know, you have climbed every twice already. You know, you you know did so many good stuff. You just took like 13 guys up there, and and why are you going up again? I just didn't say anything, guys. I just hung up the phone. Okay, so only you know yourself. Okay. People, my brother and all their, of course, family, he'll support me, but that was negative energy. I throw that away, and the decision was now purely me, and I was thinking about you know, can I really do it? And I was like, okay, I'll give it a try because I've thought about it, I thought I could do it, you know, so let's go for it. And yeah, mate, and then I broke three world records. One of the records, it wasn't even planned, guys. So basically, I wanted to submit Everest and Lot say in the same day, you know. And accidentally I broke the record by half, you know. So, you know, the previous record was 20 hours, I did that in 10 hours, and that was just my mistake. Um, I'll post that there as well, guys. You know, there's so many things that happened while there, you know, my oxygen were stolen, which I didn't know about it. My oxygen were stolen, which I knew about it. All the oxygen that I had left at Camp 4 were brought down. It was a disaster. Okay, that was huge dynamics, so much problem there. And if you're thinking of giving up and going back already, and with all those, you know, um you know stuff happening at that point, and with the oxygen being, you know, massively disorganized and getting stolen, lost, um, and all, you can think the whole the whole scenario. But I went for it. The next world record was uh you know trying to climb Everest Lotse and Macalu in two weeks. Um and um I knew that you know I had loads of time, so I when I climbed Everest and Lotse in a day, I just got back down, you know, and I partyed with my friends for two days because I felt like, well, I said I will do that in two weeks. No need to rush. Why do I need to prove anyone? So yeah, chill out for two night, uh two days, and we went to Macalu. So Makalu is a world fifth highest mountain. No one had climbed Makalu that year. There were more than 200 people trying to climb. Okay, I just walked up with my team, five team, you know, um team of five um four serpas and myself. And yeah, we just went and submitted, and it just took us like five days. So that's the the another world record. So the point here is always believe in yourself and also strike for it. You wouldn't know without trying anything, right? And if there is a problem, you can always solve it. There's always a way around it. You know, I believe in that. So, yeah, when my oxygen was stolen, you know, when my all the oxygens from Campo were brought down, and it takes a whole planning, the whole mission to put oxygen at Campo. You know, that's that's ridiculous. And if you speak this or if you say this to any mountaineer who have been to everyone will be like, okay. So yeah, um, managed to do all that, guys. And I think it's just because of of the positive, you know, attitude. It's all it's all about trying to see positivity in in in in in negativeness as well when things don't work around or everything is going down. You can always find something that you can make it work, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

What I'm hearing as well is you hold you you're passionate about what it is you're doing. You align yourself with um like previously in Nepalese background, the Gurkhas, you know, you've got that passion to say, well, there's reputational risk here. You the the sum of that is you're you're holding yourself account to a pressure that is actually that's self-discipline. Um, some people haven't got that self-discipline to hold themselves account, but it is all that it connecting you to that difficulty or that adversity, it's it's just your own um accountability to that problem. Um, I agree with you that or have been surrounded by people that are problem solvers, and and we say that quite liberally, we throw it around there, you know. Um there's always a solution to a problem, right? We have learned, I think, through experience, to deal with chaotic situations and and and solve problems. Yeah, a lot of people can see a problem and it's the biggest thing in the world, and that's probably the end of as far as they can go with something because they've not had the encouragement to just work around that um and then continue on the journey that they wanted to do. Maybe it's not the perfect way that it was going to happen, but ultimately you'll still achieve what it is you want to achieve. And I think what that all means is just having a really strong sense of what it is you're trying to achieve, and you'll get it done no matter how you'll get it done, but you'll get it done. Um, and just keep working towards that. And I think we see that, you know. So, again, my experience with everything that I've achieved is I held myself account to get into that final point where, right, that is what I want in my life. I want to be that. At first, it was one thing, it was a first goal, it was being a Royal Marine. I was like, that is gonna be a great challenge for me. Got there, and then sort of a few years down the line, I was like, This I need to challenge myself more, which is why I went the direction I did, because there's genuine fulfillment from um achieving a little challenge that you hold yourself to no matter how you how you achieve it, really. So I can completely relate to what you're saying. I think you and that negativity are stripping away the negativity. It's a really pat it's a really good story in the sense that's your brother who was like a father to you, that you almost had to you didn't want to be limited by his limiting beliefs because he was seeing a problem that just he was caring for you ultimately.

SPEAKER_00 22:10

Yeah, he was caring for me, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

Yeah, but ultimately you knew that you could do it, and you could easily have used that as an excuse to not go, you know. And lots of people will do that too. They'll use the excuse of someone close to them, it might be a parent, might be a close family, might be a loved one, that they their own limiting beliefs will hold people back. All the time, and there's balance to be had with that because your loved ones that need to be kept close most of the time. What's the one or two things that you've needed the most of to achieve what you've achieved?

SPEAKER_00 22:43

Okay, I think um it's it's the positive mindset, you know. Um, you know, there are so many phases in life where I have I have failed and I have made mistakes, you know. If you just worry about the mistakes that you do and you just like, you know, oh yeah, you know, the holy sky has fallen now, whatever it is, you know, even in work, you know, it's it's gone, mate. You know, you always think, okay, you know what? I made the mistake, but you know, I will do better. You know, I'm gonna I can make this happen, you know. I think that's the that's the biggest thing that what you know I think I have, you know. To be honest, I mean I have make you know made a stupid mistake in in life, you know. But you know, I always you know say, you know what, yeah, you know, that's that's done. You know, I learn from it and um and then I move on, you know. I try to do better than than what what I did um in terms of that specifically particular job or whatever it is, you know. So yeah, I think it's the whole you know positive uh thinking, positive mindset, you know.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

Yeah, I agree, man.

SPEAKER_00 23:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

What what is it that you do to maintain that positive mindset?

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Think that way, I guess, you know. Um I I I physically put a bit more emphasise to think that way. Um, like for example, even this project, man. You know, I was I was promised, you know, a lot of things on this project, project possible. I was supposed to have you know a million pounds in November, whatever it is. Everything fell apart. You know, December there was no funding, nothing. You know, it's it's a biggest project, and then nobody believed it. But I'm still driving it now. I still believe that this could be done, and uh, I'm doing everything I could uh I could do as well. And also, guys, I want to cover a quick quick um story on this one, okay? Specifically people who are high achievers, um, and also people who work in that kind of tempo, um, when sometimes they fail or when they have any issues, you know. Like let's say let's go into the mental health issues, you know. We we don't talk about it, or many people don't talk about it, okay. And this goes on specifically on high achievers, okay? But also even coming into this context, guys, you know, I had only six years to get full pension. Okay, that was security there, okay. I hold three Guinea's world records, I'm the first girl who had to climb abreast. If you put into that thing, there would be an ego on any individual, okay. But I want to put that into completely ground level. And right now I'm asking help to many people. And and I have put I have dumped everything. You know, what I did yesterday and what I have achieved, who I am, that's a history now. Okay? Yes, it's there, but you know what I need right now is I need help, and hence the reason through this project possible, I also want to convey the message that if anybody in new needs help, they need to speak about it. Doesn't matter what it is, you know, because there might be somebody else in the corner somewhere around the world who could do something, you know. So anyway, I just got a bit of you know, disoriented with with whole thing us, but I think it's it's the positive you know attitude, you know, you feel like you can do it and you always have to give 100%, you know.

SPEAKER_01 25:52

Yeah, 100%. And what do you think, what would be your best advice to people to get started in their dreams, whatever that might be?

SPEAKER_00 26:00

You know, just go for it, you know, believe in yourself. You know, it's not you know about don't think you know tomorrow I'll do it, you know what, just do it today, you know, just just make it happen. You know, you start it and you would know. And uh a few years ago, I didn't even knew that I was capable of you know like you know climbing extreme in a high-altitude mountains, but I tried it and and now this this is one of the the biggest strength I have actually. Now what I'm doing now is I'm just you know magnifying it. I'm just doing the best what I could do using my ability.

SPEAKER_01 26:33

Yeah, so yeah. I think that's the key, isn't it? You've got to try things to know if you like them, you know, and you've got to be prepared. I think what you're prepared to do is you're prepared to fail because you don't see it as a failure, you see it as a learning experience, and every time you, in some people's eyes, fail at something, you've learned from that and you've learned how to do things differently, better next time, and you know, you can achieve what you want it because you're you're prepared to move your goals, move your micro goals to achieve your big goals. Yeah. One of the last few questions I want to ask you, mate, is what would you do differently now, knowing what you've learned?

SPEAKER_00 27:10

Okay, I think very uh tricky question, guys. I think so far you know it's been it's been good, things could always have been better, but I have learned from it. Um, I have learned from the mistake that I have made or or you know um the other things, you know, you should you should always rely on somebody to a degree, but you know, never you know rely so much on other people, you know, everything what you know it has to be yourself, you know. You know, it's it's you and what my friends say is you know, if it's not your priority, it's not my priority. I think that's what I learned. So I think try to, if you are trying, like for example, this is came then that came this came from specifically with this project. Um, and I'm gonna be completely honest. The project felt in December. In December, I started making a few phone calls, and now I have raised more than 55,000 pounds. Had I done this a year ago, guys, I would have it in a by now, I would have it 500k minimum. But then I know for a fact. So yeah, um, but also it's a completely new world to me. Um, and uh right now I'm doing my best.

SPEAKER_01 28:18

Um what address, what web address, what go fund me address do people need or could they um use to get hold of you and maybe help a little bit?

SPEAKER_00 28:28

Yeah, so I think if they go on um on either Instagram or Facebook, type my name, you know, Nirmal Purja or NIMS, it will come up and there is a link to it. But if you type, you know, uh Project Possible, uh it should be on on the GoPhone as well. So Project Possible is guys, I will quickly explain what it is. So there are 14 highest mountains in the world that stands above the death zone. It's called 14 Peaks or the 8,000. The fastest that someone has climbed all the 14 highest mountains is eight years, nearly eight years. Um and I'm trying to do that in seven months next year. That's that's what Project Possible is. Nobody believes it's possible, nobody thinks it's doable. Even some of the world leads mountaineers, you know, you know, they think you know it's uh on my you know Lala Wonderland, whatever it is, but I think it's possible, okay? You know, who believed that you know Neil Armstrong would be on the moon, you know, years ago? Nobody did, you know. So yeah, and I'm not trying to say that I'm gonna go and start because that's not my ability, that's not who I am, but I have recognized what my true potential is, and I'm striving for it. You know, this is possible. Um, and you know, I want to do it this year, and people who believe in making the impossible possible, you know, please have a look. You know, any support would be great, even though if you cannot donate, you know, just talk about it, you know. Yeah, speak to the friends and hopefully we can do this together.

SPEAKER_01 30:02

I I think it's awesome. You say that no one thinks it's possible. I know a ton of people that know that you'll achieve it because they know you. Um, the people that don't think it it's possible are the people that don't know you really well. Um you listen to, you know, I said at the start that your story from the 30,000 people that applied, the chances of you getting to where you are now, you know, people wouldn't even bother starting if they understood those odds most of the time. But you're somebody that goes, Do you know what? I I can do this, and I know you'll be successful in this, and I know that you will open people's eyes to what is possible, and then behind you will be a load of people that follow what you do, you know, but you're the you're the pathfinder that is is gonna go and achieve this. And I I've got loads of respect for you for doing that. Um, and I think it's awesome. Last questions, Nims, sort of good, but I don't want to know what you're not very good at, what your weakness is.

SPEAKER_00 31:02

There are a lot of weaknesses. I don't know where to start from. You know, the weakness is uh is always I trust people quickly. Um something that I need to work on. Trust many.

SPEAKER_01 31:17

Always paddle your own canoe, brother. Um thank you for being so honest, mate. It's always hard to sort of talk about your weaknesses, no one likes doing it. Um but I think for me, you you haven't got many. I think, and the important stuff, the things that you're really good at are uh, like I said, are the important things, which is um believing in yourself, never never hearing other people's limiting beliefs and and believing them, you know, just truly sort of going after what it is that you want to achieve. And like that's that's the lesson here for me. It's you know, you've achieved unbelievable amounts already. You're the rest of your life. I know you'll continue to do that. Um, and I don't know where you're gonna stop, to be honest. There's no stopping you, bro. I look forward to following you and uh and and watching what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 32:05

All right, awesome, guys. And I think hopefully, as we said, you know, we can speak when I'm on uh on you know 20,000 feet or whatever it is, you know, when I'm going through so many emotions, you know, the questions, you know, the decision-making process and everything, and it'll be good to catch up, okay?

SPEAKER_01 32:21

Yeah, mate, awesome. Awesome Nims. Cheers for chatting, mate, and uh I'll let you get off to the rest of your day.

SPEAKER_00 32:28

Thank you, brother. You have a great day.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

Well, I hope you enjoyed that. Um, I certainly did. Um looking forward to catching up with him soon again. We're at the critical point with Project Possible right now. Nims needs your support, so if there's any financial help you can offer, um go to his GoFundMe page or his Instagram page or his Facebook page and please donate freely. Nims will be massively appreciative. He's already summited sixth of the peak so far. Uh he's well ahead of schedule, but unfortunately, this is gonna all come tumbling down if he can't get enough support. So please help where you can.