Riding the AI Wave: Jonathan Green's Success Amazing Story - Part 2
Nov 21, 2023Season 1Episode 204
Firing The Man
Ever had a conversation with an AI? How about using one as a creative partner? Join us on this fascinating journey as we unveil the incredible potential of chat GPT in the creative process. Learn how it can serve as a sounding board for your ideas or even help generate engaging content for a novel. We also dissect the creative process into manageable steps with our favorite AI friend, showing you how a blend of randomness and method can birth unique ideas.
Think AI is only good for creativity? Think again. We venture into the realm of trend analysis and show you how AI tools like Web Pilot and Vox Script can offer you valuable insights from popular platforms like YouTube and Amazon. Imagine being able to extract crucial information from data dumps, and all it takes is asking the right questions. We also highlight how chat GPT can skyrocket your e-commerce profits, thanks to the magic combo of batch processing, Google spreadsheets, and Wolfram Alpha.
But it's not all tech and tools. We go personal and share our experiences with the challenges and benefits of remote living. We stress the need for self-motivation, resilience, and balance, especially when work and family life cross paths. The journey then takes a twist towards the challenges of traveling with young children and the importance of stability. And to wrap it up, we examine the power of strong emotions as motivation, and how a little discontentment could be the push we need. Join us and let's explore the delightful blend of technology, personal development, and entrepreneurship.
Ever had a conversation with an AI? How about using one as a creative partner? Join us on this fascinating journey as we unveil the incredible potential of chat GPT in the creative process. Learn how it can serve as a sounding board for your ideas or even help generate engaging content for a novel. We also dissect the creative process into manageable steps with our favorite AI friend, showing you how a blend of randomness and method can birth unique ideas.
Think AI is only good for creativity? Think again. We venture into the realm of trend analysis and show you how AI tools like Web Pilot and Vox Script can offer you valuable insights from popular platforms like YouTube and Amazon. Imagine being able to extract crucial information from data dumps, and all it takes is asking the right questions. We also highlight how chat GPT can skyrocket your e-commerce profits, thanks to the magic combo of batch processing, Google spreadsheets, and Wolfram Alpha.
But it's not all tech and tools. We go personal and share our experiences with the challenges and benefits of remote living. We stress the need for self-motivation, resilience, and balance, especially when work and family life cross paths. The journey then takes a twist towards the challenges of traveling with young children and the importance of stability. And to wrap it up, we examine the power of strong emotions as motivation, and how a little discontentment could be the push we need. Join us and let's explore the delightful blend of technology, personal development, and entrepreneurship.
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Speaker 2:
How can people use chat GPT to accelerate the creation process?
Speaker 3:
Sure. So it's just a really good wall to bounce ideas off of. Sometimes, you know, we like join masterminds or go to groups where we talk to other people and we say all the stuff and then we figure out our own. Like we say, oh, thanks for your help, and the person like I didn't talk yet. So there's something about talking out loud and bouncing an idea. That can be very valuable. If you're just being like totally original, creative, you can really chat to be really shines in that area, because it doesn't wait good and bad. So it just kind of will go very random and sometimes random comes with great ideas. You're just bouncing ideas. As you work through the process, every single part can be faster because sometimes we get slowed down and like for me, writing a book is easier than writing the book description, the sale, because you have to do it and you have to format hons like how I have to think about how is this book different from my other books, right. How can I write a different description? What keywords I need to put in there, right? And that's a process that's not fun because it's not creative. So whatever process is hard for you, you can have it. Do that process. I'll give you a specific example. This might be more helpful is that I always try to do things that have a high risk of failure. So, like when I do a live demo, I'll always do something that's very risky because I want to live on the edge. That's like I want to see how far I can push chat to be. So I was playing with it early on and I say I was everyone's like oh, you can't get chat, you can write a novel that will pass AI tests. I go, I bet I can challenge accepted, like that's my first thought. So I go, I'm going to write a novel. Let me do a romance novel, because I never read romance. Like I want to do something hard. It's easy to do science fiction, because I have good error correction, because I read a lot of sci fi. So I'm doing this romance novel and I just find a process and the process is really hey, give me three ideas for romance novel. Okay, I pick one to succeed with the fiction in the series. So I say okay, write out the next. Give me a paragraph of each of the seven books in the rest of the series and I go okay, change this one, change that one, change this one, change that one. So what I'm really doing is I'm choosing and adventuring it. Right, I'm kind of modifying it as it goes. Each step I go, okay, write me a character sheet about the main character. Oh, I don't like this change that, I don't like this change that. Write me a character sheet about the love interest. By doing it one by one, slowly creating, and then I create the outline and then a deep outline, and what this does is, now that I have the outline of the book and it follows a flow I find interesting, I can then error correct. So when it starts writing the book, I can go wait, this doesn't match what the outline says. So, going in this order, it lets you kind of like mind mapping, you do the inner and then the outer and the outer. So whatever any creative process you can have, it do everything. And because you keep choosing, like, my main skill as an author is not that I'm interesting, it's that I can tell when someone's being boring. If I'm interviewing someone and I make them talk about something else, I have a really low threshold for boring. So when I'm interviewing someone like to ghost write their book, I'm like, no, this is you got to stop. This is you're killing me. Change the subject, right, I do will do that, because if it's, if I'm bored, the reader will be bored. So it's not like I have this great writing sale, I just have a very low attention span for boring, and it forces the content to be interesting. So, in the same way, if you're whatever you're an expert at, when you have it driving and this is where the HIV is driving instead of you you can have it, create the content and your job is to give me three to choose from. Give me 10 to choose from. Oh, I don't like that chapter. Change it so you can then go. Oh, I don't like this ending. Like there's a huge issue in romance. You have to let people know if there's not a heavily ever after ending, because they get really mad in the reviews. If it's a surprise bad ending, they go crazy on you. It's like it's like going to war with your reviewers. It's so they take it really seriously. So you have to say no, h E, a H, happy ever after. It's such a big deal. But so you can then change the ending, what someone actually did and the reason they're getting open eyes, getting sued. Someone had chat to me right, the final two books in the sort of fire and ice books. This guy, george Armouran, has taken too long in his style, right Books six and seven and it did it so bad and he's so mad and it's also like you've had 10 years like, come on, it's really. It's at this point, it's really you, but it's also like this is a scary place to realize. And here's the thing they're probably good, they're probably really great reads, not exactly what he would have done, but it's probably 80% of the way. There has the other books to build on and I wish they'd use it because that last few seasons, the HBO show where they had no books were, let's be honest, everyone hated those seasons. So that's exactly what happened. So now you have this ability to create later works. That is very interesting. So the creative process can be you driving an air correct, or it can be chat to me drives, and you go wait, that's weird or that doesn't make sense or that's off track, or you just introduced a character that's not in the outline. What are you doing? So you're kind of following an air correcting, kind of saying this is an interesting change, this you just what you can't do is have chat to me, write a book and you're not paying attention and then you publish it without reading it. That's not what you want to do. That's where you end up with a book that has like a lot of crazy stuff in it because it will forget who the characters are. It will go off track. All of these things happen. But if you're just reading it and you go, oh, I don't like the section, change it Each time there's a section, you're going to end up with a pretty good book that matches what you want, because you made it into what you want, so you were very involved, even though you're the passenger instead of the driver.
Speaker 2:
I'd like to follow up with one question about chat, GPT in the arts and I'll give an example. Say, I'm an e-commerce seller and I sell puzzles with different designed puzzles and I'm trying to figure out what would be the most appealing design on my puzzle to sell to the end user. How could somebody or t-shirt designs or whatever, but we'll stick with a puzzle example how could somebody use this tool to identify what is appealing to?
Speaker 3:
people. So chat GPT has plugins now and you can add in. I use two plugins one that gives it access to YouTube videos and one that gives it access to internet searching. So this happened earlier today to me, activated my Pinterest prompt and then I said I was doing a demo video for someone and I and I said, tell me 10 trends that are hot on Pinterest right now. And I was like I could do this. All right, I was just messing around. I don't know exactly what it did, but I know that it used the YouTube plugin, not the web search plugin, and it gave me 10 re like shockingly good answers there. I was like, oh, this is amazing it's doing going beyond what my pre-prompted trained it to do, so it was really exciting place to be. So when you have those two activated, you can ask a questions like that. You can just say, hey, give me 10 trends and puzzles that maybe people haven't noticed but are probably going to go up in the next few months, and it will look at all sorts of weird data sources. It will pull data from Amazon, because it has that ability to look at Amazon Now. It will pull data from YouTube, will pull data from blog posts and very interesting how it comes up. It's not always going to be right. That's why you still have to pay attention to go, you know, because it might tell you something like offensive puzzles, and you're like, uh, I don't want to do that. Sure, maybe they're on the rise, but you're not. Like you know there's there's bad word coloring books. Then you don't want to take every idea without paying attention. Your job is to be error correcting and paying attention, but it will probably come up with 10 really good ideas. T-shirts is the same thing, because there's a bunch of people that post videos every week of these new these are the new hot trends and T-shirts. So probably pulling its data from those videos as opposed to running analytics on all of Amazon's database. But I don't know for sure because you can't always tell what it's doing. That's my guess, kind of based on looking at the input and the output. So that's really how it would approach it is looking. You can always give it access to data sets, like you can give it access to a spreadsheet. So if you're using like an obscure website for selling your puzzles, like a more specific puzzle website, then you can pull out a database of all the puzzles on there in the sales data. If you have that, then it can interpret that spreadsheet and give you huge amounts of insights from it, because it now has access to Google sheets.
Speaker 2:
You said that there was two plugins that you could use. Just what are the names of?
Speaker 3:
those Sure. For Internet Access I use Web Pilot, and then for YouTube it's called Vox Script. I believe it starts a V-O-X and it allows it to pull the transcript of a YouTube video, so it doesn't have to actually watch the video. You have to wait for it to watch a 20 minute video. It just pulls the transcript and pulls the data from that and takes like two seconds.
Speaker 4:
Yeah, for sure, those are awesome and those are Chrome plugins that will.
Speaker 3:
You have the Chrome GBT Inside of chat GBT. If you go to the settings, you can click a beta set and it says activate plugins and there's a plugin stock with around a thousand plugins to choose from. Just like everything else, Chat GB is made out of nightmare because you have to click like seven things to find it and then they've organized all the plugins alphabetically, with no categories, and you only let ever one sentence description. So it's a nightmare to figure out what tools. But those two are really solid ones that have worked consistently and I've never had a problem with either of them.
Speaker 4:
Awesome, I'm going to go enable those. So for the listeners that, jonathan, you'd mentioned early on that the teams that have put these tools together are not marketers. They're not, you know, they're of a different breed and so we understand that. And so if we have some listeners that maybe they've tried AI, tried chat, gbt, and they, like you said, hey, go in there and do one thing. It doesn't produce anything. What is your advice to them? Should they start with the question route? Go and start asking a question? Should they go read your book and then come back to it? What is your advice for them?
Speaker 3:
Yeah, the shortest path is just to ask questions. You say I want this result, how do I get there? And you can say I want to do this, what? How do we do it? And you can ask a really open-ended question. Doesn't even have to be what impression do you need from me? You can just say how do we get there and it will help you work through it and it's very collaborative. That's one way to do it. My book is. What my book is is a bunch of prompts that I've used that made money, and you can watch the entire conversation. The beauty of that is you can see what result I got and if you copy and paste the prompt, you should get the same result. So it really lets you see both sides of the conversation. There's a lot of books out there that only show the prompt and not what result you're going to get, and I hate that. That's like listening to half a conversation. How do I know if I got the right result if I don't know what the result is supposed to look like? So that's really the process. What my book is designed to do is give you tons of prompts in different categories. Some people read it and they just jump to the sections that have the skill they want to work on, like I just want to work on affiliate marketing. I just want to work on, like, analyzing data. I just want to work on summarizing data for me. I just want to work on writing blog posts faster. I just want to work on planning, do a building business plan. So whatever kind of skill you want, you can jump to that section and it gives you a starting point with copy and paste prompts. I think that's the only way for beginner to start. The other thing that's important is that most people, the reason they don't use chatGP is that they're afraid of a thing they're an idiot. I had the same fear. I was like what if this AI thinks I'm stupid? I don't want that to happen. I don't know if it's training itself or when it takes over. I don't want to be the list of dummies. I wanted to think I'm smart. I had this whole fear. Is you just have to let go of that? Everyone has that same fear. It erases the conversations after you have them. It doesn't remember in between conversations. I could talk in one chat thread. I open a new one. You can't remember the other thread thread. It's designed that way. You just have to release that fear, because the only way to learn is to make mistakes and ask silly questions and get silly answers and all of those things. I only found out that it won't write the naughty scenes in a romance novel, because I was asking it to do. My wife walked by and goes. Well then what's the point? That's the only part of the book she likes. You don't know what it will and won't do until you hit that wall and that's how you learn. But you just want to release the fear of getting a bad result. How many times do you get back up riding a bike as a kid and you're skinning your knees and you're getting hurt? There's no risk of that happening, but we have these adult fears that you just have to let go, because you have this fear of embarrassment or fear of looking dumb or fear of looking silly. Like every time I go on a podcast, they go. What if they ask a question? I don't know the answer, right, it doesn't matter. You just have to let go of that fear, because it's just going to hold you back.
Speaker 4:
No, I really like that. I know we're coming up on time. I want to rip through a couple more quick questions. Well, let's say like two or three prompts or two or three ways to use chat, GPT or any AI tool to increase revenue or profits for an e-commerce company. Do anything come to mind?
Speaker 3:
Yeah, the most important thing is speed For e-commerce, and I've been working on an e-commerce project with some partners. I'm just on my mind a lot. The first thing is that you can actually connect chat GPT to a spreadsheet and once you train it what you want, you could actually just have a product name, product link, then you have an area for description, bullet points and title and you can actually just pull the box down and it will fill in like 50 or 100 products at once, so you could actually do batch work that way. Instead of having to do it within the chat GPT interface, it will do it in the Google spreadsheet interface. That's the first thing, so you can actually do massive amounts of content creation that way. The second thing is that you can use it for analyzing spreadsheets. So you can activate a plugin called Wolfram Alpha, which makes it better at math, or you can use that was changing the names that there's always a call it like data analytics or different names, but you can activate one of the beta features which kind of turns it to chat before five. It makes it better at data analytics. I can't remember the name they have for today because they just changed it recently. Either one of those modes. Lets it be better at math and letter problem solving. Then you can link it to your Google spreadsheet and you can say, like tell me which of the products meet these criteria. Right, Like oh, it has to have sold X number of products in the last three days. That's to cost over $20. It has to have a profit margin of this. It has to have different sellers, and none of the sellers is Amazon direct. Like, those are some of the things I know from Amazon. Then it can analyze the spreadsheet of millions of pieces of data in like seconds. So the other thing you can do is actually write formulas for you in a spreadsheet, because I'm always bad at that. Right, Like the one of like oh, everyone entered first name and last name in the same column. How do I make it two columns? How do I remove duplicates? I always forget those. And then chat to me just tells you how to do it. So you can have it either analyze the data and do what you want, or you can have it write those different programs and formulas for you to get those results. So those are some of the things that I would use it for as an e-commerce seller. I think those are the low-haggy fruit.
Speaker 4:
Is there a quick explanation on how to connect it to a spreadsheet?
Speaker 3:
There's a plug-in called I think G sheet and you just activate that plugin and it will connect it to it. There's also a way inside of Google Sheets to connect it a different way. It's just whatever I tell you will be changed within two weeks. Like the way of doing it always is always getting easier. So the methods always changing, just knowing that it can do it. And then you can look inside of chat, you can ask it and it will tell you what's the most current way to connect to a Google Sheet easily and to access that data.
Speaker 2:
In the intro I mentioned that you live on a remote island in the South Pacific. Can you tell us a little bit more about that and how you run your business there?
Speaker 3:
Yeah. So everyone I started out with in 2010 when I started building my business, we're all like, yeah, we're going to travel the world and go all around. And so my business got successful and two years later, I was like it's time to hit the road and go country to country. All my friends were like, what are you talking about? We've we bought office space. We were a suits to work now, and I was like, isn't that what happened? Right? I was like I thought that was our agreement. So I just started traveling. I went to live in Goa, india, for three months, and then I was in Ukraine and then I went to London and then I was in Thailand and then I was in Indonesia and he's just bouncing around all these different places. And then I visited one of my friends and met my wife and I was like, oh, that's a reason to stick around and we have four kids together and there's things you go through. So we wanted to move to this island and the island had an issue of like sometimes the internet we bought for four or five days at a time, or the power we bought for three days at a time, so you might only have internet two days a week. So I really moved a lot of my business on to Amazon. For that reason I was doing a lot of webinars and I was like I can't do live webinars anymore because I'm going to have internet for three days right, two days before, two days after. So we really switched to a model that was much more really passive, just in case. So when I write emails I'll write emails for two or three weeks in advance, just in case. So it's all done. So even if the power goes out or whatever, the business keeps running. So that was part of the strategy. Now then we moved to that island and the problem's kind of gone. And now I live on an island that has gigabit internet. I don't have it. My last house had it, this house I can only get 250 because they have it for my neighborhood, but it's already taken. There's not enough bandwidth for one more house. All the other houses got, I guess that's. The issue is now like there's four providers that all provide high speed internet where I live. So it's kind of changed. This misnomer I often in my calls have people that have slower internet than me. So the things that were really a challenge before have kind of gone away, which is like oh, I changed my whole business model, you'll deal slow internet and I don't have that problem anymore, which is very cool. The other thing is that you know it's two in the morning for me. You have to adapt to other people sometimes and go well. Sometimes I have to work at night because it just is what is right. I'm going to end live somewhere else. So that's part of what I do as far as adapting, and also it means that it's much easier. The lighting is better at night because I can control it, and my kids don't come in the room, blast in the room all the time because they're in the day. They do all the time. They come in here all the time. I never lock the door because I don't want that to be it, and so they blast their meetings a lot. That's just kind of a decision I made, you know, because I don't want to become distant from my kids. Those are some of the things I do. The other thing is that you have to be someone who can self motivate. You know, I survived a natural disaster, a tier one natural disaster, which is like the highest level you can survive, about three years ago, with my whole family and coming out of that, you know, my business kept running. It made enough money to pay all the hospital bills for me, all five of my kids, to survive. When we came out I had a heart attack like six weeks ago. So it's what do I do afterwards? I'm like, well, I said to the doctor, like when can I train? Like how long can I get on a bike? And now, like my wife is getting nervous because I'm getting absolutely shredded. Because every single day I put in 24 minutes on the bike and I run, like that scientist says, like someone's behind you with a syringe full of boys and I bike as hard as I can. I'm always trying to raise my heart rate so that my resting heart rate gets lower and lower. I want to be the excellent category so I never have something like that again. So I have a particular personality type that when something happens I'll do whatever it takes to get past it. So I work out seven days a week. There's no chance of me not doing it. Some days I only do bike, some days I do bike and elliptical. Some days I do bike, elliptical, lift weights, some days I just only lift weights. But I'm always training. I'm always doing seven days a week, because I don't want that to happen again. But there's a lot of people who don't have the ability to self-motivate. There was a bunch of travel bloggers that I followed around 2016. They all started traveling. They made enough money to travel full time. They're all out of business within a couple of weeks because they would go to Machu Picchu and not write any blog posts and then, of course, they go out of business. So they didn't have the ability to do both. That's why there's like people who work from home and they're always like t-shirt and then the bottom half is pajamas. That's the type of person that is seeing what they can get away with. But when you work for yourself, you have to kind of be this person who does whatever it takes. There's this thing inside of you that says I'll take a project I hate if it means that my family eats this month. Right, I'll work with a client that I'm not really excited by, but I'll do whatever it takes. And I've taken some projects that I hated, but I was like I'll do what I gotta do because I'm a survivor, like I have this instinct inside of me. So that's all part of it. So it's really personality stuff. So I was talking to someone last week who was complaining about a product. I was talking to her and she was like oh, my husband said it's not a great product. I said if your husband doesn't think it's a good fit, don't buy it. Anytime someone emails me and I'm going to fill it for a product they're like I want the fence, I go, don't do it. If you're emailing me, then definitely don't do it, because I'd rather you not have a bad experience than buy and be mad at me. And so I said oh, there's another business model you can test, which is you can go to all the Goodwill stores in your town, scan it with an Amazon app and if you see a big price difference, you grab that load listed on Amazon. And then it was a response that I didn't really read, because it started off with oh, I don't have time. And I said okay, that's the difference. Is that my? Because my wife was like, oh my gosh, I wish we could do that, right, she would be out there doing it every day, because she has a motivation element that some people don't have. So if you want to live remotely, you have to be someone who doesn't get distracted by living on the beach and all because it's awesome. I have an awesome house. I don't, I can't believe how nice my house is, but just honestly with you guys, like I have a pool, I have a basketball court. It's tiny, it's not even a half court, but it's still like are you kidding me? That's so crazy. Every time we see that, like every time my wife gets mad at me or something, I go how many bathrooms do we have in this house? And she's like okay, you're right, we have an awesome house. It's just a reminder because sometimes we forget I go. One of the questions I used to ask in the last house was like is there a room in this house you haven't been in in six months. That means the house is huge. Right, that's crazy, because we used to live in a studio apartment together. So some things you have to be very good at, which means you have to be fastidious. You have to work. My dad gave me this piece of advice a few years ago, which is when you know that your second journey should work. A haul like he goes listen, jonathan, you shouldn't work more than six and a half days a week. He's like you got to take off a couple of hours every single week and I was like, well, that's like, that's intense, right. And now? Then it's true, I do, I work every day, but I work shorter hours and I spend a lot of time with the kids and I would rather work five hours a day, seven days a week, than eight hours a day, five days a week. It's kind of a shift thing, but it's important to know if you have the personality that can motivate, if no one's watching you, if you can still work. What happens to a lot of people and it's very cool that you guys went through this phase, that it didn't happen to you is that when you could only work two hours a day because you have a full-time job and you're just working at night, you have to be so efficient. Then, when you quit your job, you suddenly have eight hours and you go why have all day to work on this? And so you work slower. This happens to a lot of people. There's a lot of challenges as an entrepreneur. You face huge amounts of depression because you're alone all the time and no one understands what you do, and it's very. You shift from being around people being alone. Every entrepreneur deals with it, right, and it's like you don't know until it happens, because it doesn't happen. When you're only working part-time, you don't know that having more time can sometimes be a curse because it kills that efficiency. It's like the people that say only operate well under crunch, so they only work well like the week before the papers do, and then they're very efficient. So unless they're in a constant state of emergency they don't get things done. So it's very hard to become that type of person. You can, but you have to be very fastidious and very much in charge of your day and plan it. Some people I know who are like me. They have their whole day planned out in advance. They're very, very scheduling. I'm not that I'm very much freewheeling. Most of the time I have a list of the things I want to work through each week. I make a schedule for the week, I schedule for each day and I just work through the tasks and order priority. But it's all of these. It's kind of inside of you. Can I work on the task that makes me the most money, even if it's boring, instead of the task that's the most interesting, even though it will make a difference for my business? That's the part of the motivation thing you have to do, and this business is mostly about relationships. It's mostly about friendships and connections and talking to people. Because if someone's let's say, you're running a million dollar a year at your commerce store, which is awesome how do you get to $10 million a year? You talk to someone who's doing $10 million a year, right, if you can talk to someone who's doing $10 million a year, $50 million a year, then you can see, because that's a huge jump in scaling, right, it changes the math, it changes the process. So relationships and handshake deals are so big on the inner, which is kind of crazy. You think it's not how it's going to be. You think it's going to be all like e-contracts and lasers and the exact opposite. It's all about trust and relationships. So, learning how to do those things online, learning how to maintain relationships, learning how to stay sane and not get distracted by the loneliness and kind of figure things out, it's very much a process, right, and just like anything, because a lot of people, right, when you leave your job, everyone in your job goes. I don't understand what you're doing. You're leaving the security of a job. It's like, is there really job security here? Of course not, right. It's just a false belief. But people when you're struggling with people that don't get it, it can be very challenging, which is why it's great to have find communities, whether it's online or in person, where you can talk to the people that are doing the same thing. Because their families don't get it too. They go, you work online, but it just seems like magic. They think we're all in crypto, which is like no, I don't do anything. I do anything in crypto, I do as a computer. That's the only similarity, but that's what can happen. So those are some of the challenges that if you can overcome those, you can have massive success. Like the reason most people don't live online don't live on remote islands, because they never Google. When it costs they all think that it's 50 years ago and long distance phone call Like I'm not paying 25 cents a minute to be on this call, like that was in the 80s, but we don't look or update information. There's like 10 tropical islands you can move to, where you don't need a visa and you can live there for a year as an American and the cost of living is super low and then you don't have to pay taxes. So you make 30% more money just by getting on an airplane. Most people don't look it up because if they looked it up and found out how much cheaper it is, there'd be this pressure behind them to take action. So they, if they don't have the information, then they don't have to take action, so they can justify kind of not making the change.
Speaker 4:
Yeah no, that's interesting. And final question before we get into the fire round Do you prefer the digital nomad lifestyle or do you prefer being stationary?
Speaker 3:
I was bouncing around as a digital nomad. It was awesome. It's very hard to be efficient with a tiny screen laptop Like that is something. That kind of stinks, it's like you can't really see everything. What I prefer is like, everywhere I go, I just want to buy three giant monitors so I can have a big setup. That's the one thing for me, for sure. The other challenge is just that I have young kids. My kids are all 10 and under, so I wouldn't travel without them. Like that's not something I want to do anymore. You know, we just went on an awesome vacation where, like, my kids were playing with a tiger, then riding an elephant, then going to water parks, like we love doing that cool stuff together, like seeing them have adventures. That's the phase of life I'm in. I'm in my 40s, so I already did the travel world by herself. It's very. You have to have a particular type of business which is very, very passive, where you only have to check in once a week and then you can do more of that stuff traveling with kids. But my kids are in school. They go to a really good school they have. They're just learning some really cool stuff right now. That's so. That's the ability I think is very good for them. It's very hard for kids to have no structure, to be fully nomadic. It can be very challenging for them. They almost go feral because they're like, had no idea, like in any type of structure, right, and that's the challenge. Like, oh, every day there's a different time zone, every day we have different structure. I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow, so there's no predictability. So there is a value in you know, things are different when you're a kid and when you're old. There's a value in having some ability to interact with society and make friends and develop social skills. Those things I see as a value. I think that you're younger, in your 20s, and you want to travel from country to country. That's what I was doing for like six months before I met my wife. It was awesome. Sometimes things in your life make you want to change. I'm not done traveling, right. I want to take my family to see the pyramids. I want to take my family to see the northern lights. I want to take my family to Machu Picchu be driving been there. I want to take my family to see Angel Falls in mid, as well as the longest waterfall in the world, if it ever opens up right, there's a lot of cool things to do that my kids will appreciate more when they're older. You know, like we, we go on these massive vacations sometimes and like what's your favorite part? And they go to the airplane and it's like, oh my gosh, that's my least favorite part. That's the whole trip. So kind of my answer that I'm much more, I want to live some more awesome that's far away. So I kind of have the best of both worlds. That's why I love where I live, like I have a great life and have a little bit of stability at the same time.
Speaker 4:
Well, cool. Anything else that we skipped over, we want to cover before we get into the fire round. Well, let's get into it. All right, jonathan, are you ready? Do this? I'm ready, it's right. The fire round is a series of four questions, quick answers, and we'll rip it through it. What is your?
Speaker 3:
favorite book, the book of five rings by me and Motomusashi, nice. What are your hobbies? Wind surfing right now. Those are the two oh and lights. As you can see, I'm always messing with the lights in the room. I programmed the lights myself. I'm like always connecting wires and trying different things. So I was trying to find a hobby that's not expensive but that I can get really into. So I said, oh, I'll get really to LEDs, because it's like I can control myself.
Speaker 4:
Yeah, no, that's cool. So for those listening, we'll have it on the YouTube channel. Go and check it out. Jonathan's got some really super dope LED lights in the background. And next one what is one thing that you do not miss about working?
Speaker 3:
for the man I'll be being shouted at. The reason I said I never want to go back to work where someone can fire me or shout at me. I don't want anyone to have that power ever again.
Speaker 4:
Yeah, fair enough. Last one what do you think sets apart successful entrepreneurs from those who give up, fail or never get started?
Speaker 3:
I think there's two things. So the first is consistency, which is I'm not a genius, I'm not a really good worker, I just work every day. I work every day, I put in a little bit, I move the ball forward a little bit every day. There's people that are chasing virality oh, just keep taking swings until the one thing spikes on, tiktok right, and it comes and you do well, and then when it's gone, you don't know what to do. So it's the ability to put inconsistent work over time. Like I can't check my email today and then not have to check it again for a month. You still have to do it every day because there's things that you have to check every day. The second thing is that everyone talks about love, like, oh, love is the ultimate motivation. If you love enough, you'll succeed. I don't believe that. I think it's hate. You hate your job enough, if you hate your boss enough, if you hate your life enough, it will push you out. And that's the thing is that some people. What happens is that people go. I don't really like my life. It's like the guy who's trapped in the friend zone is like well, I'm not really happy with my situation, but I have half of a relationship, so I'll just kind of settle for it. It's only when you hate how bad you feel that you then exit that and finally find your true love. In the same way that if you just are lukewarm about your job, then you're kind of going to be stuck there for a long time. But if you hate it and you hate your boss and you let that fuel you, like every time someone is like told me I can't do something, then I go. Well, then I have to do it because I have to prove you wrong. And that's not a motivation driven by love. There's a stronger emotion inside of you, which is the hatred for who you used to be or the hatred for you are in life. Those, I think, are too powerful motivators.
Speaker 4:
That's an excellent answer and yeah, I agree, and I know David knows too.
Speaker 2:
Jonathan, if people are interested in getting in touch with you or joining some of your courses, what's the best way to get in touch?
Speaker 3:
You have to servenomastercomcomcom forward, slash AI, the bunch of free gifts, a bunch of free tools. You can link you to my book, chat to me profits, and you can't remember that just Google serve no master. Every result for the first hundred is me, so I've total control over my brand name.
Speaker 2:
Well, we really appreciate your time today and we are looking forward to staying in touch. Thanks for having me. Guys have a good time.