(S6Ep3) The Pawnee-Eagleton Tip Off Classic

Classic episode alert! Leslie struggles with Ben being on her side, Tom and Donna try to get Ron off the grid, and April and Ann learn about making tough decisions by trusting your gut. :)

Things we learned: 

- Not everyone was super pleased with this episode when it came out, what?!

- Aubrey Plaza is a huge fan of Chris Bosh and told a hilarious story on Conan about meeting Bosh. (link below)

- "How you like them apples?" was made famous by Good Will Hunting. (Madi knew, I did not lol) 

Check it out: 

Norm Hiscock, our fav producer in all the land, has a new show coming out - it's the King of the Hill reboot!!! Comes out on Hulu in August! Yay! 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt26585105/

Mel Cowan's last episode is today! "I hate the one-at-a-time system!" Check out his interview here:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/our-conversation-with-mel-cowan-red-faced-man/id1551856074?i=1000519249677

Sources: 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3186496/?ref_=ttep_ep_3

https://www.eonline.com/news/438317/kristen-bell-to-guest-star-on-parks-and-recreation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bonKJTqoBP8&t=20s

Transcript

Holly Constant (02:27.382)
Okay, welcome everyone to season six, episode three. I do have a little bit of like, I don't want to call it recap. I used to call it recap because you know, whatever, but it's just stuff I missed. So things I missed.

Madi (02:29.078)
I'm ready.

Holly Constant (02:46.764)
Heather McFall, who we talked about last, no, in the first episode where Leslie was in her plan of, you know, no problem too small and she had a cut scene and she sent us a voice memo. I was actually curious because as I was editing, I was like, wait a second, did she actually receive a script? Because it sounded like it was mostly just improv, but she did actually receive a script and she did get a script for,

the show and it was, I think they had auditioned all for the same role, but they ended up having like multiple of the townspeople. So I just thought that was interesting because it did. And she sent me the picture was really cute of the script. So yeah, so if anyone, in case anyone was wondering, and she did end up doing a lot of improv as well, but there was a script.

So that's fun. okay. I had wrote this note or written this note rather about Anne and Chris and I just wanted to talk to you about it really fast. Right. Because I feel like one of the notes that I had

Madi (03:46.69)
Yes, always.

Holly Constant (03:50.734)
was I think what I needed, because I think that I was, you we were concerned or like confused a little bit about last week and everything. And I think what I needed was a moment between Anne, Chris and the audience of like, just Anne and Chris and us seeing it of like, oh my God, we're pregnant, yay.

I think I needed that moment. Because last week I had talked about how I was confused. Like, wait, we're already telling people? I thought they knew. Like, what is happening? Donna seems to already have known. But that's just because Donna's really smart and brilliant and like, perceptive. But I think for me, I was like, that's why I was confused. I couldn't put my finger on it. But I think I really needed that moment between them to say, like, they're so excited that this is happening. Because we didn't get that with the relationship, really.

Madi (04:29.421)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (04:39.252)
And we didn't get that with like the sperm really, maybe at the sperm bank, we sort of had like a moment of like, we don't have to do this today. Like, and even that as small as it was, was good for me. So I think I just wanted to let you know and get your thoughts on like, if that would have helped.

Madi (04:57.122)
I think it would have, think so much of Chris and Anne.

is just so out of the blue for me, at least in this part of the series, right? When they first date in the beginning, it's like, yes, this makes sense. That I think you're right. I think if we had been part of more of these decisions, it might have helped us because I know that we were privy to Anne wanting to get pregnant, right? And we, it was really, she was really excited about having a kid. And then we didn't get to be part of that moment where they find out.

Holly Constant (05:05.827)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (05:18.647)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (05:31.025)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, and like splicing it all in to Tom being in there at the same time, I think also confused me. I like that idea. To to write totally and to find Dr. Saperstein, like, but if they had had a little bit of a moment of like, oh, my gosh, I took a pregnancy test. Let's go like make sure for reals.

Madi (05:33.774)
So think you're right.

Madi (05:46.134)
Yeah, which it was, it was, yeah, it was good commenting.

Holly Constant (05:59.882)
You know, I think that would have helped me a lot. So. Just throwing that out there, OK. As I was editing it, I was reading it and I was like, why am I so confused anyway? OK. All right. So, I had talked about how I wanted to ask Norm. Norm Hitchcock is a producer who has been so gracious and wonderful to us about in the previous seasons because he was a consulting producer, a writer, all the things.

Madi (06:02.37)
Yeah. Yeah, I agree.

Holly Constant (06:25.118)
And I wanted to ask him some questions about London, but I couldn't remember if he was in season six. And so I emailed him and it actually turns out that I was right that he was not in season six. He actually jumped over to Brooklyn Nine-Nine at this point. So I really love that I found that out and I think that's really cool because we've been talking about that how a lot of people.

Madi (06:38.516)
Aha. Gotcha.

Holly Constant (06:46.862)
kind of switched over and jumped ship a little bit. Not in a bad way. Jump ship sounds bad, but you know what I mean. They just transitioned.

Madi (06:52.214)
No, yeah. Yeah, but I think, I think they transitioned and I think the same, we talked about the same thing happened in the office when I think about season six, people started leaving and coming over to do parts. So, so yeah, it's, and it goes with that whole, like, we need a big shakeup between five and six to make it feel like a new, like we've still got good ideas or, you know, new ideas or whatever. So.

Holly Constant (07:06.24)
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right.

Holly Constant (07:16.558)
Mm-hmm.

Right. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. So anyway, yes, he jumped over there and I asked him, you know, because I was like, you've been so gracious and the only way can really pay you back is ask if there's anything to promote for you to anything that we can like start watching so that we can get the views up for him. And he said he just finished the second season of the King of the Hill reboot, which I

Ta had talked about, but I totally forgot that that had come out. It starts in, well, it's coming out in August on Hulu. and technically, I think it's like technically season 14, because where they had left was like season 13, I think, like back in the day. But anyway, they said they did a total, or he said they did a total of 20 episodes, 10 per season.

Madi (07:46.398)
Yeah.

Madi (07:52.235)
Okay.

Holly Constant (08:07.854)
And now he's searching for his next gig and he was really nice and said, hope you're doing well and having a nice summer. And so yeah, everybody, should definitely watch King of the Hill in August to support Norm because he's been so great and wonderful.

Madi (08:22.87)
Absolutely. I did. Yeah, I totally forgot about that.

Holly Constant (08:24.13)
And when that, I know, cause I remember talking about it on the podcast, but nothing had started yet. It was just, you know, announced. So I'm really glad that we're getting to see that kind of full circle of it's coming out now. So when that comes out, I'll have to post about it and everything and remind everyone. okay. Okay. So thank you for the, I missed segment.

Madi (08:37.548)
Yeah, they're very cool.

Holly Constant (08:48.842)
And now we are at season six, episode three, Pawnee Eagleton tip-off. my gosh, such a classic episode.

Madi (08:56.078)
Yeah, and we didn't talk about sometimes when we log off, we talk about, hey, this is the next episode we're gonna talk about. We didn't do that last time. And when I went to go watch this episode, I was like, already? Damn. Yeah, so it's exciting. This is so.

Holly Constant (09:09.968)
I Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (09:15.988)
so wonderful. see so many sides of Leslie. We see some really interesting relationship stuff between Ben and Leslie. April and Anne who we don't get seen put together too much because of the conflict between them. So yeah, it's a good episode.

Holly Constant (09:26.122)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (09:31.586)
Tension, yeah.

Yeah.

It's so good and it's so classic and to your point too, I definitely, I referenced this episode. We have referenced this episode frequently because a lot of people were on it or were going to be on it and later in earlier seasons, we had talked about like, this person also wrote this episode and we'll talk about it a little later, but yeah, we referenced this episode frequently. And so to have it finally be here is like, oh my God. Yeah. Like you said already, what?

At the beginning of season six, I guess I think I thought it was like maybe towards the end of season six, but no, it's here. And that makes sense because then we have like we talked about last week, Craig and all the other Eagleton people coming in and the good old fashioned shake up moment happening.

Madi (10:06.37)
Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be great.

Madi (10:22.316)
Yeah. And I think it helped me, it made me realize because I'm sitting here and I think we talked about it, that we only have like 30 something episodes left. Right. And so, and season seven's short. And I think I just thought there was so much more of the show left. Yeah. And so when this happened, I was like, wait, we're actually like close to the end. Yeah. Crazy.

Holly Constant (10:29.321)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (10:38.329)
really?

Holly Constant (10:43.052)
Getting to it. Yeah. Yeah, at the beginning of this year, I had thought about it. I was like, I think we're getting, like by the end of this year, early next year, we'll be like done reviewing the show. Crazy. Yeah. Well, this one was written by Alan Yang, who we all know and love and directed by Nicole Hall of Center. Such amazing legends for this writer, director team. Alan Yang, if you're new here, is a huge writer of the series, producer of the series.

Madi (10:56.876)
Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah.

Madi (11:03.566)
Thanks.

Holly Constant (11:12.982)
Also producer and writer on The Good Place, of course. Also co-creator of Master of None with Aziz Ansari, we love. Also creator of Loot on Apple TV with Maya Rudolph. And of course played Chang in Mouse Rat. So he is a legend already. But you should definitely check out all those other shows if you haven't. I know most of this crowd has probably already seen The Good Place, but if you haven't checked out Master of None or Loot yet, it's...

Madi (11:31.704)
much less.

Holly Constant (11:40.172)
Yeah, those are great too. Adam Scott makes appearances in LÜT as well and a good place. So definitely a little reunion moment happens sometimes. So that's fun.

Madi (11:50.648)
I wonder if Sher worked on this with Kristen Bell and was like, this is it. Like, this is my person for this show.

Holly Constant (12:01.044)
Yeah, I wonder too. He was already a huge fan of her. I found some articles about how she got cast. Yeah, of course. my gosh, perfect. But there are I did.

Madi (12:05.666)
Happy New Year, everyone.

Holly Constant (12:12.426)
Research because we've talked about this in the past as well where see where TV shows will put people on you know their previous show to kind of test out and see how they feel and how they work together and everything and then cast them and I did research like if they did that with Kristen Bell and all of all of the sources confirmed that that's not what happened But I'm sure I mean it wasn't like an official. I'm gonna test her out and then use her for the good place I think it was just like I'm a huge fan of hers, and I would love to work with her in the future

at some point, so I think it just kind of happened after.

Because I looked up to that the good place I believe started in 2016 and we're only in 2013 right now for parks. So not quite overlapping like Brooklyn Nine-Nine has, but yeah, definitely in there.

Okay, so Nicole Hall of Center, who is the director of this episode is amazing. And I've gone on a whole diatribe about her in the past, but just again, if you're new here, she's an amazing writer, director directs so much of Julia Louis Dreyfus's movies, which is amazing. She also wrote and was nominated for an Oscar for the movie Can You Ever Forgive Me with Melissa McCarthy, which was a little bit more of a dramatic movie for Melissa McCarthy. And I actually asked

Madi (13:28.334)
and receive it.

Holly Constant (13:29.406)
I know, I remember there being such buzz about it and I'm awful and haven't seen it yet, but I want to. It's on my list for sure. And Melissa McCarthy was also nominated for an Oscar as well for that. So I definitely want to take a look. It looks really cool. She also is, of course, a seasoned TV director. She did shows like Inside Amy Schumer, Orange is the New Black. This will be her fourth and last episode of Parks.

Madi (13:40.717)
No.

Holly Constant (13:58.658)
She moves on to do other things. The other three episodes that she directed was Eagleton in season three, which is lovely and awesome. I don't know if they did that on purpose, but she's got some Eagleton episodes under her belt now. Smallest Park.

Madi (14:05.88)
Okay, yep.

Holly Constant (14:13.806)
in season four, which our favorite romantical episode, if you are not a nerd and don't know the names of the episodes, that is the episode that Ben and Leslie kiss and officially get together and is like, screw it, I don't care, I wanna be together, which we love. So good. And then, oh, go ahead. No, no, you go ahead.

Madi (14:20.686)
this.

Madi (14:30.644)
Absolutely. I wonder if... Sorry, go ahead. Finish. I just I wonder if because the whole Eagleton thing, right? Like you've created this whole other town, they're not there all the time, but they're like, it's an important staple of the Pawnee universe. Does it make sense to keep the same director to keep the same tone of Eagleton? I wonder if that's why.

Holly Constant (14:41.199)
huh.

Holly Constant (14:55.34)
Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I wonder too. I'm not sure. I would actually love to ask a director that's directed multiple episodes. Like, you know, do they call you back and just say, do you want to direct this? Or do you ask and say, I really want to direct this next episode or any episode. I mean, as far as I know, they call you essentially or they call your agent or whoever. And it's like, you know, whatever. Will you please?

direct this episode, are they available at this time? But yeah, that would be interesting to know specifically about the Eagleton for sure. The other episode that she directed was Jerry's retirement in season five. Great episode. Love. And then now we've got the Pawnee Eagleton tip off in season six. So great work to the writer director team. Can't wait to get into it. Now I'm ready for a summary whenever you are.

Madi (15:38.849)
Yay.

Madi (15:53.368)
Perfect. Ben and Chris get their nerd gang back together to help Eagleton out of some trouble. And Leslie tries to help in the best way she knows how. Anna and April take a trip to vet school and go out shopping for baby items. And Ron goes off the grid.

Holly Constant (16:10.624)
Yay! my gosh, no grit, no grit. It's so good. my gosh.

Madi (16:13.454)
So good. There's a couple very staple like chants like that in this episode that are so great.

Holly Constant (16:22.03)
Yeah, so many lovely things happen. I love it and so much growth I feel and I have to say, okay, so before we start in my research I found and I want to say that some of the reviews for this episode were not great. People were confused and did not love because for me it's I and not just because I'm analyzing, you know, because we analyze this but because I just like this episode so much love this episode. I think it's classic. It's like

a lot of growth and improvement, people were saying that they were confused and mad that there was this like bajillion long rivalry between these two towns and now they're just BFFs in one episode. How? And I, first of all, don't think that they were ever BFFs even when they come together and merge. Secondly,

Madi (17:10.222)
Thank

Great.

Holly Constant (17:17.172)
Leslie clearly does not want this one of the reviews were saying like now it's all swept under the rug It is not swept under the rug, honey Okay, like even when they are merged, I don't think that she's into it She becomes used to it and then you know lastly from what I you know have seen that first hatred and like the beginning seasons, know season six and before or season five up until the end before like you didn't have

Ben as a foil to help you understand like, you know, political involvement. You also didn't have the recall vote that she also is using kind of as one of the reasons, even though she still hates it. But, you know, growing up and being in public service, I feel you didn't have, she hated Eagleton, but she didn't have Ben to kind of give her that other perspective too.

and Ben also kind of, and also to that point, Ben also encouraged her to give, that guy from Eagleton, whatever his name was, St. Charles, the benefit of the doubt for the park, in Eagleton. And, you know, when they visited and so it wasn't, you know, one episode done. It was a little bit more of a, to me, it was a little bit more of an evolution. And I will say it could have taken, maybe it could have taken more than one episode to

get the merging of Eagleton together. But that's why we have the next episode when we're like, okay, this is the plan. What the F are we doing now? You know what I mean? So I don't agree, but I can see what they're saying.

Madi (18:52.46)
Yeah, and I'm with you. Like, if you watch the rest of the season, it's not all sunshine and rainbows after they decide. Like, they're all against each other. They still fight. And we even saw the public forum at the end where they're explaining what's going to happen. People are upset. And I think it wasn't an easy decision. as Ben, I think it's Ben that mentions like,

Holly Constant (18:59.799)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (19:16.32)
If we don't help them, this is going to spiral. It has a ripple effect. It's going to all of us. So we have to get in and help now before it's too big of a problem. Yeah. I thought people wouldn't like it because they're like, no, we're going to merge these two towns. I don't want this.

Holly Constant (19:24.446)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So, but I did think that was interesting to learn.

Holly Constant (19:38.196)
Yeah, which I guess maybe that's maybe that's the root cause of why they are feeling, you know, short sighted or shortchanged, I should say. But anyhow, so we start this episode with Ben and Leslie right before a press conference. Ben added some jokes, slamming Eagleton, and Leslie thinks that's the sexiest thing he's ever said to her. Really, that?

my gosh, slamming Eagleton is a way to gain some points, which is true. You know, I mean, she has to do what she has to do at this point. And she also, it's not like it's compromising any moral, you know, integrity she has because she already wants to do this. She would do this even if she wasn't in a recall. Right.

Madi (20:06.708)
Ugh, so funny.

Yes.

Madi (20:19.798)
No. Yeah. She already doesn't like Eagleton. Yeah. my gosh.

Holly Constant (20:27.422)
I do love Ben smile that like when he said, when she says like, yes, because Pawnee's awful. You know what I mean? Like, is it wrong? No, because Pawnee's awful. Like, do I regret it? No, because Pawnee's terrible. Whatever. I just love Ben smile and he's so in love with her.

Holly Constant (20:56.814)
Hello?

Holly Constant (22:38.298)
Hello?

Okay. Sorry, maybe that's my internet. I don't know what's happening.

Madi (22:41.637)
Okay, I don't know what happened.

Holly Constant (22:47.418)
I thought I would be frozen if it was my internet. don't know. Whatever. okay. Got it. Okay. Anyhow,

Madi (22:51.117)
Yeah, you were frozen on my end.

Madi (22:57.495)
Anyway, you're talking about Ben and that you like his little smile when.

Holly Constant (23:01.344)
Yes. I like his little smile when she was like, well, do I feel guilty about it? No, because Eagleton's terrible. And I like that he wasn't like, okay, that's too much. I like that he was like smiling and so in love with her. It was very cute.

Madi (23:13.527)
Yeah, very, very cute. And I love that she, you know, she's like, I love having you on my team. It's so sweet. I love that. Yeah.

Holly Constant (23:18.52)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I do too. Well, so now we're talking about how Pawnee gets to host the Pawnee Eagleton tip-off. Also side note, it's funny that the subtle line of Ben saying it's like a friendly wager on a basketball game. And I was like, it is not a friendly wager. I don't think. And by subtle, I just mean like it's this subtle nod to him not being from here.

Madi (23:38.565)
Friendly? What are you talking about?

Madi (23:46.691)
Yeah, absolutely. think yeah, it's really it's it if it wasn't intentional, it's it's a completely very well done subconscious choice for him.

Holly Constant (23:56.4)
Totally, yeah, totally. So Leslie is explaining who she is up against essentially. This is Ingrid DeForest now, a new character for Parks, a city counselor from Eagleton. She looks perfect, which Kristen Bell just always does. You know what, I was thinking too, I don't know why this came into my head when I was researching it, but she reminds me of, you know how The Office did Hilary Swank as the symmetrical face? I feel like.

Madi (24:24.601)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (24:24.964)
That's what Kristen Bell is to Parks.

you

Madi (24:30.649)
That's funny. I thought you were going to go the route of when they brought Amy Adam is in to be like the next level Pam. That Kristen Bell's like the next level Leslie not that doesn't say anything bad about Jenna Fisher or about Amy Poehler, but just

Holly Constant (24:37.804)
Yeah, that's your tool!

Holly Constant (24:47.302)
Correct. No, but you are on the right track because that's kind of what my, I have a quote later on, but something about how she's like, yeah, said, Mike Schur, there, I did some research and found some articles where he says, cause I was researching how Kristen Bell got on the show and Mike Schur was saying she's Leslie's equivalent, but richer and better dressed, which I have to say is so funny that her pearls, the overboard of pearls is just so good and so funny. And I thought it was perfect.

Madi (25:03.342)
Yeah.

Madi (25:15.853)
Yeah. Yeah. my gosh. So, so good. The pearls really are what it is.

Holly Constant (25:18.842)
Yes.

Absolutely. And her like pin straight hair. Yeah. Perfect teeth, all the things, which is just Kristen Bell in general, but the way they did her hair is so good. and yeah, I mean, I don't think we really need to explain to you who Kristen Bell is, but you also know her from frozen for on a Camargo good place, which she goes on to do three years after this park season. She also played, which I totally forgot. she also played Adam Scott's love interest and party down. So they had already worked together.

Madi (25:30.625)
It is.

Holly Constant (25:49.344)
And she had already worked with Ben Schwartz as well in House of Lies in 2012. So she was kind of in the comedy realm slash knew a lot of people before she got to set, which was really nice. Also, I didn't know Veronica Mars had a movie. That's kind of cool. I did not know that.

Madi (26:04.599)
Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen any of it, but because I love her so much, I've seen a lot of stuff online about it. But yeah, I think it was after, was several years after the series had finished.

Holly Constant (26:10.756)
Yeah, totally.

Holly Constant (26:18.29)
Yeah, yeah, I think they were filming it before this episode, but I'm sure like it took some editing and time to come after this episode. But they had filmed it already by the time she got to be here. And this is where I had done some research on, you know, how she got to be on the show. She Mike sure reached out to her to get her to be on the show. And apparently this article from E! News was concerned because she played Adam Scott's love interest in Party Down. So they were like, no.

There can't be any love interest slash like trouble in paradise for Ben and Leslie. But Mike sure is quoted as saying, do not fear sure tells E news exclusively. Not even the considerable charms of Kristen Bell can come between Leslie and Ben, which is good as a reminder for the end, but like the end game. But in the middle of the series, though, when she has that line of like, I just want to borrow your husband for the night. No. Of Leslie.

Madi (27:00.652)
Yeah.

Madi (27:11.789)
Yeah, for the face. yeah, she does such a great job.

Holly Constant (27:16.836)
I felt the same way.

my God, so good. But apparently she was contracted for one episode only, so that's interesting. But Mike Schur is quoted as saying, once people join the world of the show, we like to try to get them back. And she's obviously in crazily high demand, so who knows. But I love her as an actress and a comedian, and I think she's going to be great.

Madi (27:27.061)
okay.

Madi (27:40.759)
Yay, and she was.

Holly Constant (27:41.306)
which so, yes, I'm so glad that she got to come back for more than one episode.

Madi (27:47.161)
Yeah, yeah, again, it just helps continue to build the world and the reality of it.

Holly Constant (27:52.324)
Yeah, and I think like we talked about too, I think we needed to have, I think it's important for her to be there, but even if she wasn't there, I think it's important to have those two episodes back to back of like, okay, we said we're going to merge these towns now, what the fuck? You know what I mean? So I'm really glad that she did come back for that. yes, and I had just, I wrote, she had just finished doing the Veronica Mars movie. Okay, so that is confirmed. So it probably just wasn't out yet, I don't think.

Madi (28:07.141)
Yep.

Madi (28:17.839)
Okay, cool, very cool.

Holly Constant (28:21.944)
Anyhow, so yes, and then this is also where Mike Schur says that, you know, she's Leslie's equivalent, but richer and better dressed. And my gosh, she in the background of Leslie's talking head, Ingrid is kind of like waving her hand in front of her face, clearly saying something smells and Pawnee and her Eagleton friends are laughing along with her. Yikes. Tough stuff.

Madi (28:39.364)
Yeah.

Madi (28:46.565)
Oh boy, yep. She does such a good job.

Holly Constant (28:48.036)
Here we go. She won the Miss... Yes, she does. She won the Miss Indiana beauty pageant while she was still in office and pregnant. Right. my God. Miss Indiana, that's a big deal. my God. I also love the idea of a pregnant lady winning the beauty pageant. Why hasn't that happened? Yeah, let's do it indeed.

Madi (28:59.405)
last year.

Madi (29:05.721)
Yeah, that's a huge deal.

Madi (29:12.043)
Yeah, let's do it. Yeah.

Holly Constant (29:16.646)
Okay, so bit of random trivia that I found on IMDB the same year this episode aired a contestant of Eurovision song contest named Emily de Forest won with the song only teardrops representing Denmark So Ingrid and Emily shared the same last name, which I thought that is funny and ironic de forest Yeah, I could see I could see Kristen Bell I know me neither. I could see Kristen Bell being in Eurovision or like she's from somewhere like

Madi (29:36.762)
Yeah.

I'd never heard of the name.

Holly Constant (29:45.454)
really perfect like Denmark, which also is where What's Her Face is from, Heidi Klum. Yeah, so I don't know if that was intentional, bro, but that is a wild, amazing thing of coincidence because yeah, they're both so like obsessed with their town or their towns are so obsessed with them and they're perfect like opposite of Leslie. Yeah. Yes.

Madi (29:50.831)
Heidi Klum, yeah. And the London, yeah.

Madi (30:08.837)
That's so funny. Yeah. Yeah. The opposite of Leslie's experience. Poor Leslie.

Holly Constant (30:14.444)
I know. Also, did you notice when they're having the press conference that, you know, the sign says Pawnee Eagleton Classic and it's just like the picture of them. It only shows ass. For the word classic, it's like they're cutting off the rest of the word.

Madi (30:32.275)
my gosh, that's so funny. gosh.

Holly Constant (30:37.786)
did that on purpose, but it was just so hilarious to me.

Madi (30:42.213)
I love it.

Holly Constant (30:43.526)
I'll have to post a picture of it.

Madi (30:45.571)
Yes, please do.

Holly Constant (30:47.792)
So Leslie is saying if Eagleton beats them, Pawnee will give them a basket of apples from the Pawnee Orchard, which I don't feel like we've ever talked about the orchard, right?

Madi (30:58.009)
No, did we even know that they had one? Yeah, that's cool. Pesticides, yuck.

Holly Constant (30:59.814)
Right! I was like, okay, that's cute.

Eww. Oh no, these are actually pesticide free. I ate one of these for breakfast this morning and I found a worm in it. So... bet someone's feeling pretty stupid right now. Yes. And then, if Pawnee wins, Eagleton will give Pawnee a basket of oranges, but they're made of Swarovski crystal and they're worth $700,000. No wonder you're in debt. Oh my god.

Madi (31:14.785)
Yeah. So stupid.

Madi (31:28.493)
Yeah, because why not? Yeah, for real. my gosh.

Holly Constant (31:33.146)
That's you could have given us one if you wanted to compromise and that would have been less than 700,000 probably.

Madi (31:39.717)
Yeah, or just bring us some actual oranges.

Holly Constant (31:41.894)
my god. So a reporter whose character name is Trod Frankenstein. my god, amazing. Says Leslie is down 15 points and asks what she's gonna do. And Leslie is hilarious and turns this into basically a standup comedy routine slamming Eagleton, which I love. She takes the mic off of the podium. It's so funny.

Madi (31:54.681)
Love it.

Madi (32:08.087)
I can't believe she did that. It's so, so funny. I love it. Yeah. Yeah, it's perfect. The perfect physical comedy for what's happening.

Holly Constant (32:11.158)
It is so funny. Me too.

Holly Constant (32:19.626)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. So this reporter is played by Alan McLeod, and he was awesome. And he's been in a couple of episodes, actually, three to be exact. And I love that they bring him back to make sure our reporters are the same to kind of build out this this, you know, town moment and especially local news, local government. think that's really important. I could have sworn he was a reporter before this episode, but really he's recurring and this is his first episode. He has two more episodes.

after this one. So there's one later this season and then in season seven he comes back. even went back through my emails to be like, wait, why haven't I reached out to him? That's so crazy. And it's because this is his first time. I guess I just remembered it differently. He's been in Drunk History. You're the worst. 37 episodes of that show.

Madi (33:03.365)
Yeah, that's funny.

Holly Constant (33:11.826)
and CIS like he's on a bunch of stuff. He did a couple episodes of Conan. He was also in house of lies going back to Kristen Bell and Ben Schwartz being in house of lies, a couple of UCB things. So an improv dude, love that. And, yeah, I did reach out to his agent. So hopefully he'll be interested in talking to us. but we'll see. I liked, I liked his performance.

Madi (33:35.193)
Yeah, great job.

Holly Constant (33:36.312)
Okay. All right, so do you have anything before we get to Ron?

Madi (33:42.755)
I just, no. the high five between Ben and Leslie. Love that. Sorry. Yeah. I just think it rounded out the whole starting with, I love that you're on my team to ending with like, yeah, high five. We nailed it.

Holly Constant (33:46.339)
yeah!

So good.

Holly Constant (33:59.514)
That is so true, I love that. And it's such a victory lap for her after, you know? Yes, that's so true, great point. Okay, so now we're with Ron and he got the Pawnee Penny Saver coupon book thing sent to Diane's house and he's only lived there for a month and he's pissed that someone slash something now knows his address. He would be so pissed at the data leaks that we have now, homie, like,

Madi (34:04.417)
Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (34:25.646)
my gosh. Ron Swanson would not want to live now. It's so.

Holly Constant (34:28.506)
The spam calls, the texts. No, Ron Swanson would be in his cabin immediately.

Madi (34:34.701)
Yeah, it's rough here. It's rough out here.

Holly Constant (34:37.24)
Yeah, it's so crazy. I love that he says the two magazines that he was subscribed to was Reader's Digest and Ebony, which turned out to be like a clerical error or something, but turned out to be a fun reading.

Madi (34:52.333)
Yeah. my gosh. So funny.

Holly Constant (34:55.072)
I love it. This whole bit, though, of Tom and Donna being so on the grid with all their social media platforms and everything made me laugh so much as far as like, did you get my Snapchat about it? And then her holding up her phone with like the him doing the duck face or whatever. So funny. I just really love it.

Madi (35:14.595)
Yeah. And it fits their characters perfectly.

Holly Constant (35:18.896)
Totally, and what I was thinking, yeah, to that point, when I was thinking, was like, wait, where have Tom and Donna been? Like, I love their dynamic. I wish that they had more scenes together and that we did more things with them. I just love it so much. Treat yourself with isn't enough.

Madi (35:32.963)
Yeah, it's not. No, we can't just do this once a year. Yeah, they have really good chemistry.

Holly Constant (35:37.955)
Yeah!

Totally, it's so good. I love this line though. According to her Ustream, she should be here in three, two, one, and then she walks in. my God, so crazy. Yes! And apparently, Donovan's really good at getting people off mailing lists and the grid, so that's why they decide, because he got, what's his face off of the William Sonoma list? Gotta get my mitts on those mitts.

Madi (35:50.201)
Hey, hey.

Madi (36:06.393)
Yeah.

Madi (36:10.029)
It's so hard sometimes to find out how to get off a list. gosh, it's so bad.

Holly Constant (36:13.862)
Okay, can I tell you? Yes, I do this with my emails. I get so much junk email and I have unsubscribed to so many fucking email lists and yet still I have like 500. If I don't check or delete my emails within like two days, I get like 500 emails in my inbox and I'm like, I don't remember doing this. And I feel like I unsubscribe to a lot but then they have other like little sub stack things or sub, you know.

Madi (36:21.176)
Yep.

Holly Constant (36:41.292)
emails that you can be subscribed to and I'm like, my god.

Madi (36:45.669)
I currently have over 12,000 emails.

Holly Constant (36:48.984)
Unread? my God. Right.

Madi (36:50.921)
red in my in my personal email that I use for like signing up for coupons and stuff because that's how many freaking things they send

Holly Constant (36:59.436)
my God.

Holly Constant (37:04.092)
my God, I can't handle it. would, I would get a new email. Like for all the like responding to other stuff, I would, I would have to start a new email and just start over. It's like, like when Tom says his fridge didn't work, so we just moved.

Madi (37:09.797)
I know.

Madi (37:16.963)
Yeah, fair. Yeah.

Madi (37:23.887)
There you go. Yeah. That is the vibe.

Holly Constant (37:25.16)
my God. Anyways, so now they're gonna try to get Ron off the grid. And side note, I read that Tom sends Donna a Snapchat, but Donna is using a Windows Phone and Windows Phone has never had a Snapchat app, which I thought that was funny. And Tom is using a Windows tablet when Ron records his Vine and Windows has never had a Vine app. But you know.

Madi (37:42.34)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (37:49.24)
As far as I know, Windows for them has been their promotional material, AKA product placement for parks. So they have to use a Windows tablet. You know what I'm saying?

Madi (37:57.081)
Yeah. Yeah. Do it for the story.

Holly Constant (37:59.076)
Yeah, for the story, that's it. Did you ever use Snapchat?

Madi (38:05.165)
Yeah, but definitely not to the level that like some people do. The, yeah, I never used it as like a only way of communication between myself and someone else. It was like, if I went to a concert or something and I wanted to send it to Connor or whatever, like it was not heavy, heavy usage.

Holly Constant (38:08.931)
Yeah!

Holly Constant (38:25.764)
Yeah, yeah, I couldn't keep up with it. I had a friend in high school and college who would use it all the time. so every now and again, I would send it to her and then she'd be like, my gosh, I love that you're on Snapchat, yay. And it was fun to see like an actual real time picture of someone at the place that they were at or doing whatever they were doing. But especially because I feel like my friends mostly did use it for your purposes, like where you're talking about, as opposed to just like,

Madi (38:43.874)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (38:54.662)
for dating and stuff where you just like take a picture of yourself on your bed and you're like, what are you doing? That's also how people use it too. But yeah, I couldn't keep up. I felt like texting was easier. I felt like Instagram and Facebook at the, well, Facebook at the time, but Instagram, especially now is more about the pictures and stuff. And that's something that I can actually put my time and energy into thinking about a caption and like posting it to people and yeah.

Madi (39:02.273)
Yeah, that's real. Yep.

Madi (39:09.165)
Yeah, I'm with you.

Madi (39:17.197)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (39:23.438)
It just seems a little bit more like quality time of that moment, you know?

Madi (39:27.181)
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Holly Constant (39:30.768)
But I think that's the point of Snapchat is to get you out of that. anyways, just curious. Yes, I love Ron's utter disdain, his just like face of hatred, essentially disgust.

Madi (39:43.109)
Such disc, that's exactly what it is. It's discussed. gosh.

Holly Constant (39:47.994)
Yes. Okay, so now we are in Chris's office and Ben walks in, Leslie's already there, and he throws Ben a calculator and we learn that it was called Dr. Buttons, which I love! So cute! Yeah!

Madi (40:02.789)
So cute. I love how he's immediately like, it doesn't have a name. What?

Holly Constant (40:06.918)
Right exactly. my god That was from their auditing days and we learned that there's a budget problem in Eagleton and their old boss called them to see if they would check it out and my gosh these names This is so Alan Yang coded. You could tell that he wrote this because this is so what he does Finding all these puns and stuff butch count city and the some dance kid. my god, so smart so perfect

Madi (40:29.473)
Yeah. Yeah. So good.

Holly Constant (40:33.326)
So nostalgic and cute though that we're bringing this a little bit back to because yeah, I think that's a really wonderful kind of flashback moment in a way to go back to them.

Madi (40:45.665)
It's, it's bringing it. Yeah. And I think what they're trying to do too, is also set us up emotionally for the rest of the season. Like Chris leaving, like this is how they started and this is how they came to Pawnee. And now they're getting to kind of round out their, their relationship and their time at Pawnee together doing this one more time.

Holly Constant (40:52.752)
Mm.

Holly Constant (40:56.411)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (41:05.368)
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. my gosh. And then they say auditing bros and Leslie chimes in and auditing sister. And you can and you can tell the vibe changes of like, you're coming.

Madi (41:14.817)
Resista!

Madi (41:21.313)
You're also going to help? Got it.

Holly Constant (41:24.036)
What?

Madi (41:25.795)
And I don't think it has anything to do with, I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that Leslie wants to be with them. I think it is 100 % Ben can foresee that she's gonna be exactly the way she ends up being.

Holly Constant (41:37.306)
Yeah, yeah. And also, mean, I love Leslie and I love everything about her, but I also don't know if she needs to be involved here. She just wants to be involved. No other city counselor is helping. She's not like in charge of that. You know what I mean? The only tie that she has is Ben and also that she hates Eagleton. So she's going to insert herself, which is so Leslie. So, I mean, the writing is perfect, but yeah, she doesn't really have...

Madi (41:58.115)
Yep.

Madi (42:05.274)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (42:07.142)
you know, a reason to be involved in this audit.

Madi (42:11.779)
Absolutely. Yeah. No reason at all. Yeah.

Holly Constant (42:13.04)
So that is kind of a bummer. But anyways, so we'll see more about that later. Okay, so Anne and April are going on a road trip for whatever the F reason to be together, getting characters that would never be together, get together, back to your summary. This would be interesting from them having tension and stuff. I still don't know why April's so obsessed with Anne. I guess she just wants to be, or no.

Madi (42:37.327)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (42:42.562)
well, actually that too, but and obsessed with April is what I meant to say of like, why do they, why does she like need to be friends with them? I guess she's just like has that she wants to be liked thing and help. She wants to help April, I think, move forward with it.

Madi (42:52.921)
Yeah.

Madi (42:56.759)
Yeah. And I think, I think she also, you know, over the years, they've spent a lot of time together in a group, you know, and so when she says she cares about her, I actually, believe her, I believe that Anne cares about April and wants what's best for her. And she's just older and more mature. And so she's like, she actually does want to spend time with her, even if she knows it's not going to be enjoyable, because she wants to help. She probably has a little bit of that motherly instinct kicking into of like,

Holly Constant (43:03.835)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (43:08.091)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (43:11.887)
Right.

Holly Constant (43:19.598)
Right. Yeah.

Madi (43:26.197)
know, how can I help help this person and be a good role model and, and April's just like, I've never, I've never liked you and we're not doing this.

Holly Constant (43:30.702)
Yeah. Right.

Yeah. And I mean, to be fair, did help her get into vet school. So this makes sense for her to be, for them to be together. And plus she also wanted, that was good writing that they wanted to, Ann wanted to get the baby stuff as well somewhere else. So that makes sense. Okay. So they're going to Bloomington because Ann helped April get into med school or vet school rather. And today is her orientation. So they're going together. Plus Andy is out of the picture at this moment. And Lundian, Lundian.

Madi (43:40.42)
Yeah.

Madi (43:51.693)
Yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (44:06.02)
London slash shooting guardians. someone should go with her because I think it would be Andy otherwise or maybe even Ron, but they're otherwise like just indisposed. Plus they talk about that on the office frequently, you know, getting the two characters that, you know, we haven't seen a ton together by themselves having a whole road trip. That would be interesting.

Madi (44:26.915)
Yeah, it helps keeps things keep things fresh.

Holly Constant (44:29.232)
Totally. my gosh, ew, that Pawnee's only baby sore is attached to a chemical refinery? Yikes.

Madi (44:36.303)
There's no way that's up to code. There's no way.

Holly Constant (44:38.81)
That's crazy. So there's a baby store in Bloomington that she's been wanting to try, which good for her. Yeah.

Madi (44:47.114)
You think she could pop over to Eagleton,

Holly Constant (44:49.734)
Oh yeah, I guess that's true. Yeah. Well, anyway. So she made a special road trip CD and April throws it out the window. I hate that, actually. It was kind of annoying for me.

Madi (45:02.573)
I do too. There's a lot about April this episode where her like indifference and snotty attitude really pissed me off. And I think part of it was like, Anne's donating her time to be there and help you and make sure that you're, you

Holly Constant (45:14.767)
Me too.

Holly Constant (45:22.192)
Yeah.

Madi (45:24.973)
like you can't, you don't have to like her, but like, do you have to throw her CD out the window? Do you have to like make her act like a grandma? You know, like it's just, it's very uncomfortable for me.

Holly Constant (45:27.705)
Right.

Holly Constant (45:33.562)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (45:37.478)
Yeah, same here. Same here. It's so unnecessary. And it's not like if April or a fan was a bad person, I could see like, OK, April's being an ass, but at least like it's warranted. So I don't know.

Madi (45:41.156)
Yeah.

Madi (45:48.983)
right?

But no, yeah, I'm just trying to be helpful.

Holly Constant (45:55.566)
Yeah. Anyhow, I think that's their whole dynamic, the whole show. So whatever. Okay, so now we're at the budget meeting with Eagletonians and Ingrid says talking about money is gauche. my God. Honey, too bad. We're here. What are you doing?

Madi (46:10.765)
Yeah, this is literally what we're hired to do right now. Like, what are you talking about?

Holly Constant (46:16.154)
I do love Kristen Bell's performance of like whispering the word money. Like we don't want to talk about money. Side note, the outside view of that building that Ben, Leslie and Chris go into in Eagleton is the city hall in Las Vegas. That's cool.

Madi (46:22.478)
Yeah.

Madi (46:31.469)
Yeah, very cool. thought I was wondering if they went all the way to Vegas just to get that shot.

Holly Constant (46:37.35)
I know they probably have some like stock image or something or stock video. I don't know. Maybe they use it from somewhere else. Yeah. Uh, so she says all the files are in the boxes if you really want to see what's going on and oh my gosh, she tries to tip them for doing the work in euros. What? Oh my God.

Madi (46:41.625)
Yeah. Yeah. Very cool.

Madi (46:54.349)
I know, in euros. But also, okay, I'll take euros.

Holly Constant (47:00.28)
Right. Yeah.

Madi (47:03.353)
but also this is why you're in this problem.

Holly Constant (47:05.366)
Right. And maybe euros is all she has left because there's truly no money left because Ben's not using euros.

Madi (47:11.301)
Yeah. Of the $700,000 they spent on the oranges.

Holly Constant (47:17.452)
Yeah, right. my God. So now Ron is now with Tom and Donna trying to get off the grid. I have to be just from a personal experience. I live for the grid too. When Tom says that it's, but it's awful. I know how awful it is. Tom doesn't, I don't think get how awful and addictive it is. I live for the grid, but I know I'm addicted, especially TikTok. my God. It's like, it's such a, and I remember

in that documentary, the social network or whatever the hell, not the movie, but the documentary where somebody that worked at a tech company said that it's an adult pacifier, like social media is an adult pacifier. It is, it 1000 % is. I remember one time, this is why it sticks in my head, that

Madi (47:48.26)
Yeah.

Madi (47:58.341)
Madi (48:02.553)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (48:06.886)
particularly because I remember one time I was just having such an awful depressing day and I was crying because of that day and I like just I was like I just need to relax so I went to my room and just hung out and then I opened TikTok to kind of distract myself and I wasn't crying as much afterwards and I was like it is it is an adult pacifier because it's distracting it's something else to think about it addicts you and it like it's just oh my god it's just something that is really bad

Madi (48:28.079)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (48:37.39)
But I do try to use TikTok in a lot of ways. sorry, go ahead.

Madi (48:38.617)
But it's.

Madi (48:42.993)
no, I was just going to say that the, you know, I feel like being aware of it is the first step, you know, but also it's, it's like, we all need that thing that helps us come out of it. It's, you know, it's, it's that it just can't be to like where it's impacting your ability to function and it's unhealthy, you know, like, but TikTok definitely has its benefits of

Holly Constant (48:48.589)
Yeah, that's true.

Holly Constant (48:57.136)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (49:03.664)
Totally.

Madi (49:08.821)
I need to get out of my world for a second or I need to laugh. Like a lot of the TikToks I get are either people harmonizing because I love that. There's something, yeah, there's something about that that like calms my soul hearing a good group of people singing together. And then it's usually just like people on standup or comedic things. So yeah.

Holly Constant (49:12.314)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (49:17.062)
I love that, yeah.

Holly Constant (49:30.512)
Yeah. my gosh. I get a lot of like funny cat videos and funny dog videos too. just of them like being goobers and it makes me laugh so much and there are, yeah, comedian sketch. Like I love it. And, on the park pals Instagram, I don't know how, guess I just, like, it just, I liked something and I'm sure the algorithm just changed it, but on the park pals TikTok, I see a lot of dancing videos. They make me so happy.

Madi (49:36.676)
Yeah.

Madi (49:57.765)
Nice. I love it.

Holly Constant (49:59.416)
and a lot of like baking or cooking videos, which I love those too. And that's something too I feel about the same with YouTube and a lot of video platforms where I just feel like there, TikTok can be informational, educational too. A lot of times I will TikTok, I'll use TikTok like people use YouTube where I'll kind of Google something in the search bar of how to do something and I'll find what TikTok has to say about.

Madi (50:06.01)
Yeah.

Madi (50:15.138)
Absolutely.

Holly Constant (50:26.264)
you know, what I'm looking for. And it is education a lot of ways. And in my personal one, it's a lot of political stuff that I repost and share all the time. which is really important, I think, to be involved with and how I stay afloat because especially with our generation, I think so much of us are learning things on social media for news and for, you know, information about what current events and things like that. So because a lot of us don't have cable TV to watch news.

My mom has DirecTV and she is a DirecTV like hard stand, you know what I mean? I don't think she'll ever get rid of that, which more power to her. But that's how she gets her news and or people have like satellites or whatever. But you know, it's for our generation, it's very media influenced. So part of me feels like if that's how I'm getting my current event information, I don't know how to get off it really. And then, you know, with

I have, we don't need this. Absolutely. But I really like reaching people and talking to fans. I don't get, we don't get a ton of comments, but I do get some comments from people that have, you know, listened to the episode or like the video of parks. And I think it's really fun to talk to them about what I just talked about, like building that community. So it's like, are advantages and disadvantages. and I definitely am. I'm here for the grid. It's terrible.

Madi (51:44.165)
You

Holly Constant (51:46.5)
So they're going to come for me first. It's fine. Anyway.

So Tom says, how are you going to take pictures of all the dope food at restaurants? And he has this whole thing of like, how are you going to, you know, show people all the places you're stunting at? And that also is very Allen Yang coded. I feel personally, which they too, them too are, I feel like they're twins in a lot of ways. Very similar. A lot of times when I hear Allen Yang speak, he sounds like a Z's to me. To me, that's to me.

Madi (52:11.651)
Yeah, they're very similar.

Madi (52:17.957)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (52:18.694)
I think their voices are very similar. But this is a whole thing. This is a whole episode of Master of None where he just, and it's so brilliant. I'm going to butcher it, but it's so brilliant because on this episode, he spends all day trying to figure out which is the best place for tacos. And he's like on Yelp and all these different reviews. And it's so accurate about how we're always looking for like the best prices, the best reviews, the best option of like, what's the best place to go. And then you spend all day doing that.

and you don't end up getting your tacos because by the time you look for it, it's gone or like the place is closed or whatever. You spend so much time online trying to figure it out. Aziz has a really good book out which came out a while ago now, but it's about, shoot, I forgot what it's called, but like modern romance or something like this is what it's, I can't remember. But he has a whole like,

analyzing a thesis on online dating now. It's so good. And I highly recommend that book. I, what is it? Aziz Ansari book. What is it called? Yeah, Modern Romance. That's what it's called. Okay. wow. Good memory. It's so good. And his standup is great too. But anyways, so that was that thing.

Madi (53:26.871)
Okay, yeah, I've heard of that. I've heard of that.

Holly Constant (53:36.838)
And I wish, like I said, I wish I could be like Ron, but I just, can't. I can't be like Ron. Maybe one day, but.

I don't know.

Madi (53:47.321)
I'm definitely more in that realm, in the wrong realm.

Holly Constant (53:50.148)
You are. know. I know. And I'm really proud of you guys.

Madi (53:53.285)
And, but, but there, but I would say there's a disc, there's, there's an, a negative to that too, right? Like, don't have, you know, people will be like, did you hear about this happening? I'm like, no. And I should, and I should probably know, you know, and sometimes it's hard to connect with people because they're like talking about a trend or, know, they're

Holly Constant (54:09.269)
Yeah, right.

Madi (54:19.353)
they're quoting something that's viral right now or whatever and I'm just like so over my head. Yeah, so I mean, I

Holly Constant (54:21.497)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (54:24.984)
Yeah. Well, and sometimes like, sorry, go ahead.

Madi (54:30.668)
no, no, go ahead.

Holly Constant (54:32.31)
Well, I was just going to say, like, sometimes it is hard for me because I'll not not to you, but like if to your point where sometimes I'm talking to people and I'm like, or I'll send them a tick tock and they don't have tick tock or I'll send them something and they can't open it. And I'm like, what a fucking bummer. And because to me, and it's not about like.

you know, anger at the person. It's like sadness and anger that we can't experience this thing that I know you'll find funny too. And then I'll find funny and then we'll have quality time, which is my love language. you know, it's so much stupid how deep it gets, but for me personally, but yeah, it makes me sad. It's like when I, when we're on, you're on a group chat and you hear somebody or somebody has the green and you're just like, what the F now I can't send you emojis and have it be like,

Madi (54:59.897)
Yeah.

Madi (55:05.903)
Yep.

Holly Constant (55:20.344)
looking the same way so that you'll understand and speak the language that I'm speaking.

Madi (55:25.059)
Yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (55:27.13)
So stupid. But I don't know, I wonder if your mental health is better. Who's to say, really? But it kind of goes to your point too, where you have to, it's a balance. It's just a balance. It's like nutrition, you know, you can't have too much of anything.

Madi (55:28.942)
Absolutely.

Madi (55:36.74)
Yep.

Madi (55:40.965)
Absolutely.

Holly Constant (55:41.99)
So, okay, well, sorry for that 800,000 minute long rant, but needed to happen. Okay. I agree, yeah.

Madi (55:46.991)
think it'll be relatable for people. People will fall between the two of us probably.

Holly Constant (55:53.274)
Yeah, agreed. Yeah, so this is where we get to the grid, grid, grid, and then we can leave home or leave for home early and they're like, no grid, no grid. Okay, so now we're checking in at the orientation for vet school. This gal, Laura is played by Poonam Basu and her headshots are awesome by the way. So if she hears this, your headshots are great. Showing some range of all the different characters she can play, love that.

Madi (56:07.887)
Yep.

Holly Constant (56:22.406)
She's been in a lot of stuff and looks like she has a lot of great upcoming projects as well as some voiceover work too. So that's super fun. Her full name as the character is Laura Spengotten. These last names are killing me, man. So funny. Well, do you have anything before we get back to the budget meeting?

Madi (56:38.197)
Yeah, my gosh.

Madi (56:44.589)
No, just, think she does such a great job.

Holly Constant (56:47.212)
She does. She really does. Just being like the normal straight man to like the crazy that's happening to her.

Madi (56:54.454)
Yeah, yeah. And I mean, as a person as a kid, like the character itself, like the patients. Like, well done. Yeah.

Holly Constant (56:59.974)
Mm-hmm. Yes. Right. Back at the budget meeting, Ben is saying that Eagleton is in serious debt and is in serious trouble. And they were basically like what Pawnee was going through when they first came to audit Pawnee. But instead of, you know, getting their shit together, they just kept spending. And now they're on the brink of financial ruin. And now Leslie thinks that's the sexiest thing that she's ever heard. Makes that with him.

Madi (57:26.735)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (57:29.082)
because of it.

Madi (57:31.045)
gosh, Leslie.

Holly Constant (57:33.358)
I know. And she says this is going to hand her the recall vote because she'll save them from bankruptcy, remind them that Pawnee is the best and, you know, tell everyone that she is the hero here, you know?

Madi (57:45.657)
Yeah, yeah, I feel like she thinks it's too easy. It's gonna be way harder.

Holly Constant (57:48.74)
Yeah.

Right. And then she does the bit of how about them apples and she throws the bin in Ben's lap. This is probably naive, but did you know where this phrase comes from or how it got popular?

Madi (58:06.083)
Yep. Yes. Really? yeah. yeah. It's Matt Damon, baby. I am all about Matt Damon.

Holly Constant (58:09.607)
No! Okay, so for those that don't know, for those that don't know, it was made famous by Good Will Hunting. So if you have not seen that movie, go watch that movie. But if you have seen that movie, like I have, I've seen it a couple times. It's definitely not like, you know, something that I watch all the time, but I've seen a couple times and I just never really put two and two together. So I watched like a 10 minute, five minute something video clip of him, that whole scene of like the bar.

and how he's trying to get this, he never really intended to get this person's number, but he's just like super smart. And he got the girl's number and he goes up to the window and he's, but I don't understand really like how that phrase makes sense at all, but I think it's cute.

Madi (58:57.029)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (59:00.238)
Like if you're thinking logically, it doesn't make sense or I don't know where it came from. I think I read an article where it like, it was first heard about in the 1800s. And I was like, okay, I don't know if I care much about that. I just know that goodwill hunting is what made it popular in current culture.

Madi (59:01.433)
Huh.

Madi (59:15.853)
Yeah, it's used frequently.

Holly Constant (59:20.428)
Yeah, and it is Matt Damon. Sorry, I think I was talking over you when you said you're everything Matt Damon. Yes, for those of you who don't know, when we did Maddie's Bachelorette party, we did Celebrity Crush for the Bachelorette Jeopardy and it was Matt Damon for Maddie.

Madi (59:35.513)
Yeah, always, always and forever. Yes. I, yes, I just love Matt Taven.

Holly Constant (59:40.792)
Mm-hmm, me too. That haircut though, in Good Will Hunting, it was such a vibe.

Madi (59:47.085)
Yeah. And that's not my vibe. Yeah.

Holly Constant (59:48.708)
Really? Because him and Leo had, Leo and Titanic had that. Brendan Fraser and the Mummy had that kind of haircut. It was like so boyish, you know what I'm saying? With like the bangs falling over. Yeah, totally.

Madi (01:00:00.204)
Yeah.

I think it's probably because I saw Good Will Hunting after I saw The Bourne movies. And yeah, and it took, yeah, definitely. And to quote Donna, like The Bourne Matt Damon can get it. So.

Holly Constant (01:00:07.598)
sure, different kind of sexy.

Holly Constant (01:00:20.102)
Anyone on that show can get it. That's so funny. my god. Anyways, so yes, that was a fun learning moment for me that how you like them apples was made popular by Goodwill Hunting. So go ahead and watch that. Okay, so Paul, the male guy now is at the office and Ron is saying the next time you get any one of things with my name drive into the woods and bury it. And...

Madi (01:00:22.181)
Get it. Yeah. Yep.

Madi (01:00:34.873)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:00:48.799)
not something that you would request. Right.

Madi (01:00:50.181)
Poor guy. Yeah. He's like, I don't control who gets mail, dude. I can't help you.

Holly Constant (01:00:54.63)
Right exactly. Yeah. Side note, his full name again with the last names his full character last name is Degesque. D-I-J-E-S-Q-U-E. They were really in the like European French situation with all of these names. yeah, Paul Degesque and he is played by Patrick Rafferty, the actor, and he's been in Frasier, which is the reboot of Frasier in 2023.

Madi (01:01:10.49)
Damn.

Holly Constant (01:01:23.514)
Good Girls, Black-ish, Modern Family, a ton of great things. Side note, if you do watch Modern Family, my God, he played the one that is cosplaying Annie in Hollywood when Mitchel goes to get an Annie costume for Pepper's costume party and Mitch comes out to get money from his car wearing the Annie costume. He's like, what the hell, man? It's so funny. my God. I love it.

Madi (01:01:49.029)
that's hilarious. I love Modern Family.

Holly Constant (01:01:52.652)
Me too. That has been my adult pacifier lately as well. It's just what I have on the background. I fall asleep to it. I love Modern Family too.

Madi (01:02:02.841)
Yeah. So well done.

Holly Constant (01:02:04.344)
So good. Also, I love love love love. I don't know why, but I love Ron's arm movement he does when he says, get out. It's so funny.

Madi (01:02:14.499)
Yeah. So, it is, it's like robotic, but also like firm and it's, so funny. Yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:02:20.568)
Yes. Yeah, it's so good. I don't know. I guess he created that, but himself, but I just love it. OK, so Donna got rid of the cell phone and the credit cards. I was actually you know, it's so funny, I was actually thinking because I totally forgot about how this episode ends. But I was actually thinking about like, wait a second, if he got rid of his cell phone, how's he going to get in touch with Diane?

Madi (01:02:29.123)
Yeah, Samesies.

Madi (01:02:47.915)
Yeah. Yeah. You can't just like leave your family.

Holly Constant (01:02:49.296)
Hello, he's not thinking through any of this. Mm-hmm, yes. You're going too far. When he says he's taking the bus now and paying cash, my gosh.

Madi (01:02:56.077)
with no way to contact you. Yeah.

Madi (01:03:03.535)
my gosh, yeah, I was like, you need this to park. well, I just won't park here anymore. Ron, Ronald, listen.

Holly Constant (01:03:09.126)
Yeah. Ronald. Yes. And then they learn or we remember rather that there's a photo of him at JJ's diner and he rushes out and like completely freaks out. So we got to go get that picture. Yeah, I know. Totally. Right. Okay. Do you have anything before we move on to the baby store?

Madi (01:03:15.119)
It's just like, dude.

Madi (01:03:27.971)
Yeah, I love that he brings Tom with him. He's like, Tom, let's go.

Holly Constant (01:03:40.142)
Okay, so now Ann is at the baby store and it's called Totsall, folks. my god. So cute, I love it. my god, so good.

Madi (01:03:46.479)
So cute.

Madi (01:03:50.309)
Some people get really, really creative with like the names of these stores and stuff. It's really cute.

Holly Constant (01:03:54.692)
Yes. Yes, I love it. My favorite thing is looking at, fo places, pho places. my God. They're so funny because they always have some sort of play on the word fuck and it's awesome. They're like, what the fu or something else. It's so good.

Madi (01:04:02.905)
Yeah.

Madi (01:04:11.0)
Yes.

Yeah, we there was.

Holly Constant (01:04:15.726)
Okay, so I do have, and also on this show too, they're so good at making store names, like so, and so subtle too, like they never really bring it up or show it too long, you know what I mean? But if you're looking, it's hilarious.

Madi (01:04:20.918)
Yes.

Madi (01:04:29.123)
Yeah, you see it, yeah.

Holly Constant (01:04:31.238)
Were you gonna say something?

Madi (01:04:33.539)
I was just gonna say there was a Chinese restaurant in Peoria in Illinois called Chang's Walk-In, but it was W-OK.

Madi (01:04:47.915)
No, like, you know how like you have a walk in like you can do a walk in restaurant.

Holly Constant (01:04:52.654)
okay. Yes, I do. Yes. Got it. Yes. Okay. my God. Sorry. Yes, I love that. my gosh. That was a thanker for me.

Madi (01:04:55.631)
but it was W-O-K-I-N. Yeah. Yeah, I thought that was so funny.

Madi (01:05:10.627)
It's easier if you see it.

Holly Constant (01:05:11.814)
Yes. Okay. So yes. Oh my gosh. Tots all folks, this store, this store worker is Aisha Muharar and she's a writer and producer on the show. And you guys, if you have been listening from the beginning, this is the episode, this is what I was talking about at the beginning of this current episode, but this is the episode that I mentioned in so many prior seasons when Aisha has written a show.

I'm always like, you know that episode where Anne goes to the baby store and she says that there's, she's never seen bibs that don't have Dale and her juniors face on them. That was Aisha Muharhar. And now we finally get to see her. So exciting. Yes. Can't believe we made it to her episode finally. I think I've mentioned this episode like 20 times before we got here just to talk about Aisha. Yep.

Madi (01:05:49.047)
Yeah, that's very exciting.

Madi (01:05:59.331)
Yeah. Every, every time she writes.

Holly Constant (01:06:04.324)
And it's so, it's so lovely. And she also is a producer and writer on The Good Place as well. So a lot of people also moved over to The Good Place after Parks 2. So just a heads up on that. And I will say just as a brief, like personal note, I definitely live in a town or grew up in a town. Now I live here too, but I grew up in a town where people wore Dale Earnhardt Jr. shirts to school. No joke. So that is a thing. And yeah, big.

Madi (01:06:33.519)
I didn't know.

Holly Constant (01:06:34.374)
Big deal. This is not like it's just a joke. I don't know who came up with this or if they were just guessing that that's what redneck-y things happen. But Dale Earnhardt Jr. is a NASCAR racer and a NASCAR is a huge deal or was a huge deal. I don't know if people follow it as big, but definitely during this time, like when I was in high school and stuff, that was a thing. So that is real and I lived it.

Madi (01:06:47.11)
my gosh.

Holly Constant (01:07:04.23)
Bibs? I don't know. Bibs? I'm not sure. I'm sure there are. I'm absolutely sure there are. Absolutely. I personally didn't see a bib, but that is not an indication that they don't exist. So. Okay, so April is walking by the door now, and she said she left orientation because it was lame, and Anne says that she wants to go back. So I guess we'll figure out what that means a little bit later on.

Madi (01:07:05.349)
you

Madi (01:07:09.401)
I'm sure it exists. Yeah.

Madi (01:07:34.169)
Yeah. Yeah, I'm a little torn like either way here because April isn't an actual kid. And if she decided to leave, like, do we need to force her to go back? You know, but she but she seems like willing to go try it with Anne. So like, why not? But

Holly Constant (01:07:45.795)
Right. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:07:51.084)
Right. Yeah, mean, yeah, once she finally gets there, she does. Yeah, like I feel like April's kind of or Ann is kind of pushing her out the door this time. But yeah, I have a whole thing on notes when they're in the car on the way back with their whole follow through thing. So we'll get there when we get there. OK, do you have anything before we were back to the budget meetings? OK, so.

Yeah, we're at the budget meetings again. Ingrid says that there was a bankruptcy brunch and Michael Buble played, but he ran a little late because he's on and he's on retainer. my God.

Madi (01:08:33.647)
They have them on retainer. I can't.

Holly Constant (01:08:36.014)
Sure, let's not have brunch, like animals.

Madi (01:08:39.372)
animals.

Holly Constant (01:08:42.566)
I honestly think that might be my favorite line. We haven't done that in a long time, so I might put that in there because I have a lot of favorite lines I feel in this one, but that's really funny to me. All of these next things that Ingrid says, like this whole running thing of all the money that she spent, honestly could be my favorite lines. This public pool with bottled water, which she thinks mean total...

Madi (01:08:42.659)
I do love a good brunch.

Madi (01:08:48.771)
Yeah, we have it.

Madi (01:08:59.723)
Yeah, so good.

Holly Constant (01:09:12.016)
body hydration.

Madi (01:09:13.455)
body hydration.

Holly Constant (01:09:15.556)
my God, which was, and then they have a public works expenditure. They purchased HBO for the whole town. It's not TV. Jinx. Which I didn't realize, but that was apparently it was an advertising, like a marketing tagline. It's not TV, it's HBO. So that's why they said that.

Madi (01:09:24.173)
It's not TV.

So good.

Madi (01:09:39.269)
That's fair. They were one of the first, you know, networks that were like, yeah, we're not going to follow any of these rules. We're going to like have nudity and we're going to do all the things and you're going to feel like you're exactly like in the show with everybody. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:09:47.961)
Right!

Holly Constant (01:09:54.84)
I agree, I agree. It's, yeah, it's a different level. It's like movie quality TV shows, I felt. And, you know, Game of Thrones proved that, Sopranos proved that. Sopranos was one of the first ones, I feel. Sex and the City was HBO, like early HBO days. Yeah, they were on point. Are on point, I should say.

Madi (01:10:01.047)
Yeah. Yep. 100%.

Holly Constant (01:10:16.393)
Yeah, I think that's so hilarious though. And I think this was back in the time when HBO was more expensive. Like it wasn't a streaming thing where you could pay like whatever it is, 10, $12 a month. It was more of like you need to connect it to your DirecTV or whatever satellite dish you had, whatever, which was way more expensive. Right, right.

Madi (01:10:33.901)
Yeah, it was a channel you paid for. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:10:37.272)
So it was like in the package or whatever the fuck. And so that was way more expensive. So it wasn't like the town was just paying $10, which is already bad enough if the town were to do that, but it's expensive. HBO was not included in your normal package. Okay. So Leslie put together a presentation and it's basically rubbing their face in it, which I think is so hilarious. Well, well, well, I.

Madi (01:10:42.905)
Yeah.

Madi (01:10:46.893)
right.

Madi (01:10:54.436)
No.

Madi (01:11:07.127)
Yeah, a whole slide for that.

Holly Constant (01:11:11.054)
she like keeps going with the slides or like speeds up the slides when Ben is like, OK, do you actually have like, let's get this moving kind of thing. And each slide is like something hilarious, like her jumping over something. And she was like in a barrel for one of them. don't know. I think she was jumping over a graveyard. Yeah. Yeah. my God.

Madi (01:11:18.553)
Yeah.

Madi (01:11:27.011)
I didn't get that one. gosh. Yeah, I didn't get the barrel one. was like, I don't know what she's trying to say here.

Holly Constant (01:11:33.926)
I know, I don't either, I don't know. I have seen, I will say, I have seen this clip played on social media circulating, going back to how I see a lot of things, I'm always on TikTok, with something along the lines of like when Trump voters get what they voted for and it's like, well, well, well. Which is really sad because, yeah, it's just really sad because you were lied to at the end of the day.

Madi (01:11:54.905)
Yep. That's a way. Yeah, it's very sad.

Holly Constant (01:12:00.934)
And or, well, I don't know. mean, he he wasn't fully. Yeah, well, and a lot of it was like he said he was going to do stuff and then he did it. So it's not all lies. He did say a lot of stuff. You just were OK with it because you thought it was going to happen to someone else, you know. But I will say I will say that if you are having any sort of regrets, what I would like to say is that, you know, well, I know Democrats are really bad at judging people, just like Leslie is judging people.

Madi (01:12:04.542)
Yeah, but we should have known you were being lied to.

Holly Constant (01:12:30.692)
here and Democrats are really bad at like villainizing everybody and saying like, okay, well, you can go live on your own island now. Like whatever. I think that I've been working at this really hard, but if you are regretting it and I don't think we have any listeners that are, but I just something I've been thinking about a lot is if you are regretting it, I feel like Democrats need to be better about being like, okay, well then come over here. We'll welcome you. Just come over here and help us. You know what I mean? Like

I will welcome you, I don't know if I speak for all Democrats, but I will welcome you, but you cannot be complaining and then not doing anything about it. You cannot say, I didn't think this would happen to me, and then not doing anything about it. You know what I'm saying? And I know we're really bad about that because Republicans are really good at being like, well, you can be in our cult, we'll take you. You know what I mean? But we're not so good at that on our side. So I'm trying to be like, but you also can't expect us not to like...

Madi (01:13:07.556)
Right.

Madi (01:13:12.483)
Yeah.

Madi (01:13:20.259)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Holly Constant (01:13:27.558)
Be mad at you a little bit for the shit show that we're in. Okay. So, so, but come over to our side, but help us, help us, help the cause. Right. Well, well, well. So anyway, now we're moving on to Ron eating 51 eggs in 20 minutes. Yeah, wild. The last 10 were still in the shell. Were they raw? I'm guessing.

Madi (01:13:30.563)
Yeah. Yeah. That's real.

Madi (01:13:37.273)
Yeah. Help us help you.

Madi (01:13:50.095)
That's gross.

Madi (01:13:55.983)
the hell? Yeah. Ugh. I've watched videos of people doing that.

Holly Constant (01:14:00.102)
Also just imagine.

of like eating eggs in a shell or what?

Madi (01:14:07.895)
eating raw eggs. Like, yeah. I couldn't.

Holly Constant (01:14:08.614)
yeah. Yeah, that's weird to me. I don't know that I ever want to do that. That's another video that I follow. There's this gal called Katina Eats Kilos and she's a competitive eater and I love watching her eat videos because she's this like really short, small, like muscular woman and she eats so well. To Ron's like phrase of why are people so bad at eating? my God.

Madi (01:14:21.454)
Okay.

Madi (01:14:32.633)
Love it.

Madi (01:14:36.771)
Yeah, that's probably mine. My favorite line. I think that's. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:14:37.932)
But it is funny because you said what? why are people so bad at eating? Yes. It is also funny, too, to me, because I feel like I'm imagining Ron going back to the kitchen himself after he's like done with what's on his plate and just grabbing the carton. Because I can't imagine JJ's staff serving him a carton of eggs still in the shell. You know what I'm saying?

Madi (01:15:00.036)
Yeah.

Madi (01:15:07.435)
No. Yeah. I also like that his picture says most eggs, man, most eggs.

Holly Constant (01:15:08.152)
So funny.

Holly Constant (01:15:12.538)
What? Man, most eggs. Yes. Apparently this record is a nod to Paul Newman's character in Cool Hand Luke who eats 50 eggs. So that's cool.

Madi (01:15:17.965)
So funny.

Holly Constant (01:15:28.56)
Friendly reminder, JJ of JJ's Diner is played by Brent Briscoe, who has since passed away. And I just wanted to shout him out because we haven't talked about him in a while. And so if you're new here or need to be reminded, because we're now in season six, he's of Twin Peaks fame, of course. He's in that show. And then for my generation, when we first met JJ, I went on a little diatribe about how he was in the Disney Channel original movie, 13th Year, which is the Merman movie. He was the dad.

So I just want to remind everybody of that because that was great movie. Anyway, yes. I know. Did you get to watch any of those or not so much? OK, good. Good. OK, yeah, so they get the picture. Yes, he's labeled as man. They don't even have his name. They followed all of his instructions, as JJ says.

Madi (01:16:04.079)
Gotta love those Disney Channel originals.

Madi (01:16:09.488)
yeah,

Holly Constant (01:16:21.018)
They have, I did write down some of the people that were on the clipboard or on the corkboard. They have someone named Brian Saccone for most hash browns. Scott Buckwald, they didn't even list his achievement. It just says his name, Scott Buckwald. I was just wondering where did they get these photos from? like, they must've taken, had a little shoot day or something. Or maybe took them offline. I think they're crew too, they have to be. There's one for most pickles.

Madi (01:16:43.574)
Yeah, I think they're crew. That's what I thought.

Madi (01:16:48.773)
Because they're Polaroids. Most pickles. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:16:50.234)
Yeah, they're Polaroids, so it's like easy. Most pickles, most pancakes, most cookies. Those are the ones that I wrote down. And then this is also so if you are a fan of the show at all of our show, I had Brian from another Parks and Rec rewatch podcast called Citizens of Pawnee on and he is the one that really spilled the beans and explained about all the Lurpuses.

I knew this, I knew there was multiple Lurpuses, but he kind of like opened the whole can of worms about how there's like eight bajillion Lurpuses. And he found, because he's a little bit ahead of us in our rewatch, he found, and he tagged me in a while back, so I think it's just funny that I'm pointing it out now. And I wanted to give him a shout out. He pointed out that there was a Lurpus on the bottom left. His first name is Cut-Off. So you can't really tell what it is or what his accomplishment was, but it definitely says Lurpus. So.

There was a Lerpiss in this town that did something at JJ's that had the most eating of something. So worth mentioning.

Madi (01:17:52.621)
most eating of something.

Holly Constant (01:17:57.19)
was thinking Rob should really enter eating competitions. I wonder why he hasn't done that.

Madi (01:17:58.254)
Love it.

Madi (01:18:02.789)
because he doesn't want to be known for anything.

Holly Constant (01:18:04.6)
Right? Yeah, well now, yeah, especially now. But before this, yeah, he doesn't want people to know. You're right. Even before he ate all those, he just said man, so yeah, you're right.

Anyway, okay, so now they're going back to the vet school and April is being her usual weird self pretending and it's her 65 year old grandmother. That was like the terms to come back. so April doesn't really actually want to come back. She just was like, I'll do it if you do this. So that was weird. And back to, Laura's like niceness and like, okay, like I'll show you around. What do you want to see?

Holly Constant (01:18:50.936)
Right. So now we're back at the budget meeting. Leslie's laying it on thick about how hard Eagleton fucked up. Like complete buffoonery. It's hilarious and you deserve it.

Madi (01:19:04.567)
so sad.

Holly Constant (01:19:06.084)
No. Yeah, this is where the slides were of her dancing over graveyards and the barrel. don't know what that was for, but yeah. And Ingrid. yeah, go ahead.

Madi (01:19:14.789)
I, um, did you, did you notice that there's like sound effects when she changes the slide? Yeah, there she has like some sort of little side effect. It was like a little pop. It was nothing crazy, but it was just like every time she clicked something, was pop pop. I was like, Oh, that's an interesting effect.

Holly Constant (01:19:21.254)
What was it?

Holly Constant (01:19:26.438)
okay.

Tickle boop.

not that you're saying that. feel like it does sound familiar. Yeah, it is an interesting effect.

Madi (01:19:39.609)
Yeah. I thought it was an interesting effort.

Holly Constant (01:19:42.882)
Mm hmm. OK, so yeah, Ingrid is finally like, OK, look, we've borrowed everything that we can from the state. need help. Like, what are you what are we doing? And Ben like kind of says the same thing. And Leslie says they're willing to offer a bridge loan for fifty thousand dollars with interest and they have to release a statement that Pawnee rules Eagleton Jewels. And yeah, so I think it's finally like, well, I guess it's clear that you just want to.

be nasty to us, but also at the same time, like, it's not about the rival. I don't feel like Ingrid was being like super nice or helpful either. I guess she was being pleasant. Right? Yeah, she was being like pleasant, but she wasn't like open-minded to be like, well, this is like we've, messed up. You know what I mean? Every, all of the expenditures that they were listing off, she was just like, yes, we did do that. Which like I know is for the character, of course.

Madi (01:20:20.407)
Yeah. Or, you know, even accepting of she wanted help, you know, that, yeah.

Madi (01:20:33.433)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:20:40.518)
But she wasn't like, yeah, oops. You know what I mean? But I guess towards the end, I mean, I guess that's why Ingrid is saying this now of like, we know we're in trouble. So anyways, but yeah, so Ingrid does not think that it's nice that Leslie is being mean to her and kind of being harsh on them, which she is, Leslie is, you So I accept that.

Madi (01:20:44.409)
Yeah.

Madi (01:21:08.301)
Yeah. But also, how has no one like no financial they've had no financial support to tell them in the past couple years, like how bad this is is

Holly Constant (01:21:09.487)
Okay, so.

Holly Constant (01:21:18.838)
Right. Yeah, totally. I mean, I feel like they just kept going until they literally were about to just be ruined. So they didn't have, yeah. And out of all the things you spent money on, it was not a financial advisor or any advisory committee at all.

Madi (01:21:36.73)
right.

Madi (01:21:40.101)
for real. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:21:42.362)
Yeah, which is kind of the whole point, guess. Eagleton just didn't know what they were doing. Or maybe they knew what they were doing, but they didn't care, sounds like. So. Okay, so Rana's now saying that all of his records slash traces of him are gone, but then it turns out that Tom and Donna have been on social media documenting this whole thing. God, what a dummy.

Madi (01:21:50.767)
Yeah.

Madi (01:22:03.301)
He's like, do you not see the issue with this? Tom's like, yes, yes, now I do. Very good delivery there from Aziz.

Holly Constant (01:22:09.764)
Mm-hmm.

Yes. And I think Ron doesn't know how anything works. So he thinks he can just erase everything, but then he like just by touching it or speaking to the tablet, but he ends up taking a video. He definitely turns into like the quintessential stereotypical grandpa of like not really knowing how anything works at all.

Madi (01:22:31.469)
Yeah, absolutely. So good.

Holly Constant (01:22:33.862)
And then he says the world is a nightmare and to be honest, he's not wrong He is not wrong about that with all the technology. We've we have not figured out how to balance technology and human capacity

Madi (01:22:38.468)
Yeah.

Madi (01:22:48.227)
Yeah, agreed. Still got some work to do.

Holly Constant (01:22:50.982)
yes, a lot. They join in on erasing all pictures of Ron. I love that. Erase all pictures of Rod and then video the video. God. It's so funny, but so like terrible.

Okay, so back at the vet school, Laura is still showing them around and April is like, no, I don't want to go here. Like, let's leave. Like I'm leaving. And she just walks out. I will say April. mean, and I keep getting their names mixed up today, but Anne says youngsters and I find myself saying youngsters and old people phrases sometimes too. And I'm like, what? I thought and did a really, Rashida did a really good job of like calling that out or the, performance of like, did I just say youngsters? You know,

Madi (01:23:15.769)
Yeah.

Madi (01:23:30.191)
What's happening to me?

Madi (01:23:38.221)
Yeah, maybe I am old.

Holly Constant (01:23:38.768)
That was fun. Right. OK, so now Leslie, or do you have anything before Leslie and Ben and Chris?

Madi (01:23:49.731)
I just, I'd like that. What she says is like, why, why aren't she going to go here? And she's like, I don't want to. And to me, why don't we ever let that be enough? Sometimes. Like, obviously there are some situations where, yes, let's have some reasons as to why you don't want to, but I feel like we always have to have a reason. And sometimes I just want to say, like, say, yeah, I don't want to. And I shouldn't have to justify that. I don't want to do that right now.

Holly Constant (01:24:02.436)
I know.

Holly Constant (01:24:15.45)
Yeah.

Right, right, yeah.

okay. Let's see. Where am I? yeah. Leslie comes into Ben and Chris's office and shoots a t-shirt gun at them. I laughed out loud at that. Think fast. Eagleton no money mo problems. I love that to wear the t-shirt.

Madi (01:24:33.677)
Yeah. poor Ben.

This is my thing though I was gonna ask is like this is a pretty significant thing that they're going through that Eagleton's going through and it's weird to me that

they would wear shirts where it's like, they're kind of putting it on display for everybody to see when it's like, are they trying to, are they not trying to keep this hush hush like until they have a solution or they just like released it to everybody and said, Hey, we're bankrupt and told Pawnee that Eagleton's bankrupt, you know, cause this seems like really early on in the stages and the fact that they're going to like wear t-shirts like that. It's interesting to me.

Holly Constant (01:25:08.102)
Mmm.

Holly Constant (01:25:18.598)
Yeah, that is interesting. I didn't think of it that way that they didn't tell anyone. So maybe these T-shirts don't matter. I think in my head, I was like, they're just going to wear anything that smashes Eagleton regardless of if they even know what it means. But yeah, you're right. Yeah. But maybe they did tell people because at the town hall, it almost seems like people knew in a way before they got there. So.

Madi (01:25:33.08)
Yeah.

That's fair.

Madi (01:25:44.997)
Mm.

Holly Constant (01:25:46.426)
but again, maybe it's one of those things like the Anne and Chris moment where we just sit and see it happen. I don't know.

Madi (01:25:54.157)
Yeah, could be could be

Holly Constant (01:25:55.846)
Yeah. Or maybe like, maybe a lot of the townspeople in Eagleton knows and then they spread the word. I don't know. But maybe it's not that deep. I don't know. And by townspeople, maybe the, I meant city council, maybe like the city, you know how like Leslie and all of those, like all the parks people knew that Pawnee was in financial trouble. So they kind of like told people. So it was like, maybe the Eagleton city council knew. I don't know. Good question.

Madi (01:26:04.485)
Hmm. Yeah, could be.

Yeah.

Madi (01:26:21.189)
Right.

Holly Constant (01:26:27.61)
So, but yeah, those shirts are funny and awful. And Ben is like, why do people think I'm just ready to catch things? And at first I didn't really understand. I was like, when else did, it's just Leslie, really? And then I forgot that Chris threw the calculator at him at the beginning.

Madi (01:26:43.641)
Yeah. Yeah. Chris is not innocent.

Holly Constant (01:26:45.368)
Anyway, right. okay. Then it gets real Ben gets really cagey and really weird. And it's because he and Chris volunteered to help Eagleton. So Ingrid and her team come back and yeah, I have thoughts on this too. Like, I don't know. I understand why he didn't tell her, but if I was Leslie, I'd be pissed too, to be honest. I'd be a little upset and I agree that like, yeah, they are in their issue because of their own stupidity.

Madi (01:27:08.919)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:27:14.468)
So like, it's not, like that is true. But my frustration with Ingrid, think, or my frustration is that Ingrid wasn't really, like we already basically said this, but especially in this scene particularly, when she's like, you didn't actually help us at all. And like just keeping making quips and stuff. I'm just like, honey, you're the one that's in the, yeah, you're the one that you need to like eat crow and.

Madi (01:27:16.153)
Yeah, agreed.

Madi (01:27:33.102)
Yeah.

Let it go, dude.

Holly Constant (01:27:42.096)
come to us and yeah, I know Leslie was being like really bad and not empathetic at all. But I think she was, it's true and I think Ingrid would agree that Eagleton has never really been nice to Pawnee either. So I mean, I think Ingrid could at least be like, look, I understand. Like this sucks, okay? And she did, I guess a little bit at the beginning at that budget meeting where she was like, I know we've had a.

rivaled past, but we're asking for your help now. I guess I just, know this is probably not the right take at all. I wanted Ingrid to grovel a little. I wanted her to lay down her sword and I wanted her to say like, hey, we really fucked up and I'm so sorry that our town has fucked with you a lot of the times. I'm so, sorry. We really need your help. I wanted her to beg and I know that's terrible. It's because I was on Leslie's side.

Madi (01:28:20.121)
Yeah.

Madi (01:28:35.757)
No, but I think, yeah, I think it is because you're on Leslie's side, but I don't think it's terrible. think the whole, if you're going to go ask for help, there is a common decency around apologizing for what you've done in the past or just laying it down saying, Hey, we really messed up. Right. And we need your help. You've gone through this before help us out, but like, you're right. There's none of that.

Holly Constant (01:28:55.418)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:29:02.789)
Yeah!

Madi (01:29:03.157)
And I agree with you, whether, you know, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Maybe like full on begging is like not necessarily what's necessary, but like, I think it's 100 % realistic to want them to apologize and to want them to own up to this.

Holly Constant (01:29:11.088)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:29:20.474)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's kind of what I wanted. I just, and I'm not saying that Leslie was the perfect person attitude in this, but yeah, yeah. So, and I'm, but I'm glad that that, and I'm not, this is no offense at all to the writers either, because I think the writers did this on purpose, so that we did feel this way maybe a little bit about Ingrid. So yeah, that's definitely how I felt about this whole thing. Anyway.

Madi (01:29:37.678)
Yeah.

Madi (01:29:41.349)
Mm.

Madi (01:29:47.567)
Yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:29:48.998)
I do love Kristen Bell's performance though of, yeah, there was a fashion component, yes.

Madi (01:29:55.577)
Yes. Yeah. So good. my gosh.

Holly Constant (01:29:58.374)
That was so, so good. And... Oh no, go ahead.

Madi (01:30:02.029)
Yeah, I think Ben needed.

I think Ben needed to have a conversation with Leslie ahead of time and say, I can't do anything with you tonight. It's my job. What we offered them before was not helpful. so Chris and I really just need to nail this down. That I understand why Leslie, I feel like she feels betrayed here.

Holly Constant (01:30:29.145)
Yes.

Madi (01:30:30.817)
especially because we had such a strong teaming element between the two of them throughout the entire first part of the episode. So yeah, I understand why she's upset with Ben.

Holly Constant (01:30:39.237)
Yes.

Holly Constant (01:30:42.918)
I did too. Yeah, I did too. And I mean, if I'm playing devil's advocate, I guess I could understand Ben not saying anything because Leslie wouldn't like want that. And so it wouldn't, he would think that like she wouldn't let him quote unquote. But I still don't think that's right either, you know? And but I mean, now I, yeah, I.

Madi (01:31:02.766)
Yeah, great.

Holly Constant (01:31:08.198)
I don't think that's right either to have like you agree to all of my things all the times like I speak for both of us all the time. So like, but I feel like she's just saying that because now she's heated. You know what I mean? And then Ingrid just keeps making it worse. Like, again, I just want to borrow your husband for the evening. Oh, no, very poor choice of words Ingrid.

Madi (01:31:16.175)
Yeah.

Madi (01:31:20.675)
Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (01:31:30.595)
Very, very poor choice of words. Ugh.

Holly Constant (01:31:32.6)
And yeah, like you said at the beginning, Leslie's like face reaction of how fucking dare you. I will burn you to the ground. Right. Exactly. my God. But yeah, I agree with you that they that Ben could have talked to her before this, but just sucks. OK, so now we are getting to the.

Madi (01:31:39.501)
Yeah. You want try that again?

Holly Constant (01:32:01.222)
portion of Anne and April driving back, they have this deep moment where April explains like, or Anne is really mad that Anne's not following through and April is explaining it's not about following through, it's just that she had a gut feeling and that's how she makes all her decisions. And I 1000 % agree with following your gut because you're right. And she's right, the gut really most of the time is right and you should absolutely listen to it.

I think the tricky part sometimes is figuring out what your gut is trying to tell you and not what your fear is trying to tell you. You know what I mean? Which is a big deal. And so you kind of have to do some work on knowing yourself and knowing your confidence of what is right for you, which is hard. And yeah, to your point, like I think for me, when you said, what'd you say? yeah, like why is it not enough to just say like, I don't want to do that. That is so true.

Madi (01:32:32.697)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:32:52.355)
And for me, I think it's hard and something that I've been working on because I think from a character standpoint, I do wish that she had tried it out because she's so smart and she would be so great at this work. I know that she would do so well. And I guess it is tough now. Again, this is all as a character standpoint because now that Andy is gone, like would April also be gone at the vet school? Like now both of them are not in Pawnee. How's that gonna work? And then if she...

I don't know, even if they try it out, like what is she gonna need at that time? But I think that it's nice to see that from a show, again, show, character standpoint, that like she does have the option to go do other things. And that kind of sets us up for later. Like she does have the ability and the intelligence to do other things that is not the Parks Department, you know?

Madi (01:33:48.045)
Right, right. Yeah. She's just not sure if this is, this is the thing. She's like, this isn't the thing. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:33:51.022)
Right, right. And yeah, I think the thing that kind of was hard for me because I definitely like to weigh out all my options and I do follow my gut instinct. I do have very strong convictions a lot of the times, but I'm also a very like pros and cons overthinking person as well. And for me, what was...

tricky to watch was how blase she was being about it. And it's not because of April, really. It's just because I can't relate. I don't know how you do that, how you just say, like, no, can't, I'm not gonna do that. Like, for this big decision, to me, it feels like a big decision. It's not like, I don't wanna go out to eat tonight. And so I think that was kind of the opposite of how I make my decisions. So I can absolutely sympathize and I absolutely understand that the gut reaction is

you know, what you should follow for sure, especially as she explains it. But it was just hard to relate to for me personally.

Madi (01:34:51.129)
Yeah, that's fair. I'm 100 % the same way. I think as I've gotten older too, I've started to learn to trust my gut more often. And yeah, it's liberating.

Holly Constant (01:35:01.358)
Yeah, definitely. It is. Yeah, and I think also if you've been raised, especially a lot of ladies I feel are not used to just saying no. Like no, I don't want that or no, I don't need this. and because we're so judged for that. So I am really proud of her for listening to her gut. I think the blase part of it of like, no, I'm just not gonna do it.

felt weird to me, but it was also very April at the same time. So it was really perfect. It was just my own insecurities coming back. You know what mean? And I've gotten a lot better at it too. You know, that it really helps when you know, cause there's been a lot of times when I've said no, even to things that are just so hard to say no to that you want to do. But it is important to see what's best for you, what's going to work for you. And for April, this just wasn't what she wanted. And it's not deep for her.

Madi (01:35:31.969)
It is. Yeah. Fitz or character. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:35:57.004)
Like it's deep for Ann. Ann I think is more on our decision making. That's why I think I'm Ann in this moment where I could relate to Ann being like, well, you don't even think about it. Like you're just saying no. And so that was also really cool to see that Ann was kind of using and listening to April's, not advice, but just like, you know, seeing a different perspective of how you can deal with things and how you can make those decisions.

Madi (01:36:12.612)
Yeah.

Madi (01:36:27.277)
Yeah. Yeah, I think it was a bonding moment for them too. No. Yeah, I agree. I think this was like a bonding of like, she's actually like, April was like, Anne's actually listening to why I made this decision. And she's asking me questions about it. She's not just like upset at me because I didn't, I didn't go through with it. You know?

Holly Constant (01:36:28.198)
because don't think Ann's ever done that.

Holly Constant (01:36:47.748)
Yeah, totally, totally. Yeah, and like asking her about like, do you get your gut to listen to you? Or how do you get your gut to talk to you rather? And that's a really important distinction of like, you don't get it to talk to you, just listen when it says something.

Holly Constant (01:37:05.626)
my gosh, there was a deleted scene here. Side note, where, cause you'll notice that Jerry was not in this episode. I don't know why, but he wasn't. He had a cut scene and you, so you know how April texted everyone in Anne's phone that they got her pregnant? Well, Jerry was one of them and he rushes into Chris's office and Anne is there and he's like, my God, I'm so sorry. I don't even know how it happened because we haven't even like been intimate at all. We've just like hugged maybe once, but.

I explained everything to Gail, she has my heart. I've started a college fund. Like, I will step up here.

Madi (01:37:41.135)
my gosh. No. Jared, no.

Holly Constant (01:37:48.024)
And Anne is like, Chris is like, what the fuck is happening? And Anne is like, it's just April. And then she just lets Jerry keep talking. And I'm like, Anne, if you take that college money, I will be so mad at you.

Madi (01:38:01.591)
Yeah, for real. I feel like this keeps happening to him. Like he runs away when they're doing the like emergency thing to save Gail and everybody and nobody like stops him. It's the same vibe here for me.

Holly Constant (01:38:13.38)
Jerry. Yes. But I thought I did think it was kind of a funny deleted scene, but I'm glad that it's not in there. Although as much as I would like Jim O'Hare to have been in this episode, I don't know what happened with that. But yeah. OK, so do you have anything before we get to the game?

Madi (01:38:28.238)
Yeah.

Very interesting.

No.

Holly Constant (01:38:35.106)
Okay, so, me too. We're at the Pawnee Eagleton game. The Eagleton people are literally six feet tall.

Madi (01:38:37.123)
I'm excited.

Madi (01:38:45.667)
It's Chris Bosh. They have Chris Bosh on their team. It's not fair.

Holly Constant (01:38:46.694)
It's Chris Bosh! my god, I thought he was so freakin' funny when he said, I'm better at French horn too, Derek.

Madi (01:38:55.801)
French horn, Eric.

Holly Constant (01:39:00.064)
So funny. Yes, he did a great, great job. So for those of you who don't know and full disclosure, I did not know, but Chris Bosch is a player on the Miami Heat. I love that they got a real basketball player. So fun. Totally proves the point that they are not in high school. I don't know how.

Madi (01:39:00.761)
He did such a great job. Yeah.

Madi (01:39:17.241)
They always do. How?

Holly Constant (01:39:21.342)
I have a fun, I don't know, I looked up how they got him on the show and there wasn't really a ton of information about that, but you what there was information about is that Aubrey Plaza is a huge fan of Chris Bosh and she actually goes, I know, so she goes on Conan. I'll post it in our show notes. You guys should absolutely, and I'll send it to you too, you guys should absolutely watch it, but it's essentially how...

Madi (01:39:34.989)
cool.

Holly Constant (01:39:46.38)
She was a huge fan and I did record a little bit of it, but she didn't know he was coming until like the day of or day before, even though I think she knows that, or I think the crew and everybody knew that she was a fan, but she didn't know that he was going to be on set. And she was like, so excited and wanted to meet him and all the things. And hold on, I'm just going to play this brief clip for you because it's so funny. And then you should watch the full version too.

Holly Constant (01:40:51.142)
you

Madi (01:41:16.677)
That's hilarious.

Holly Constant (01:41:18.502)
Yeah, so she was really sad that she never really like got to I think she was so nervous. She said she never really got to say like, I'm not the hair person. I'm sure that he figured it out later. But in that same interview, I know in that same interview, she says that she was tweeting at him like once a day once a week, like before the show. And then when he came on afterwards,

he she tweeted again at him like, hey, that was actually me. And she didn't hear a response. So she was like, God. But this was also after the show aired. So I don't know. Maybe I'm sure it's all been cleared now. Maybe I don't know. Maybe maybe not. But there is a picture. I took a picture of it because it was online. And it's so funny of them standing next to each other. And it looks so, so cute. my God. He's so tall.

Madi (01:41:52.845)
So funny. Okay.

Madi (01:42:00.216)
Maybe not.

Madi (01:42:16.613)
cute. Yeah, I'm sure he's like six, seven.

Holly Constant (01:42:19.366)
Yes, I'll post this. my god. But yeah, so she- that's so funny that she's a huge fan. I wouldn't have thought that. But Aubrey Plaza is an enigma, so I love that about her.

Madi (01:42:30.317)
No, yeah, that's so funny. She is that she is, yeah.

Holly Constant (01:42:35.686)
But yeah, I thought that was so funny that I found that clip because I had never, I did not know that. So fun. That's one of my most favorite background things I think I've found.

Madi (01:42:39.351)
Yeah. How cool. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:42:47.926)
Anyway, yeah, so anyhow, okay, so they're at the game. They're talking about their whole situation with her not feeling like Ben is on her team. And I love this. I love that Leslie expresses her feelings here and explains why she's feeling the way that she did and why she reacted the way that she did. And I also love that the writers included us in this conversation because that needed to happen too.

Madi (01:42:47.982)
It's a good one.

Madi (01:43:13.496)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:43:16.76)
agree like seeing him with Eagleton after she's expressed this hatred and like kind of not hatred, like disdain. Well, to her it is probably hatred, but but like disdain and like disrespect. I think that's the biggest part of it is just so disrespectful. I think what she feels or at least that's how I feel. Maybe I'm projecting, but it would make me feel this way, too. And I like that she points out, especially with all the recall stuff going on.

Madi (01:43:56.291)
Yeah, it's huge.

Madi (01:44:12.869)
Yeah.

Madi (01:44:30.07)
Madi (01:44:37.573)
That's a great point. That is a great point that I did not even think about until you mentioned it at this moment. Wow. Yeah. Which I'm sure there's part of Leslie that's feeling that way too, right? She had to deal with hard-ass Ben.

Madi (01:45:09.529)
Yeah.

Yep.

Madi (01:45:24.718)
Yeah.

Madi (01:45:35.929)
Yeah. Great point. Great, great point. Yeah.

Madi (01:45:46.723)
Yeah, that does not feel right. Yeah. And that you're like, you're like you said, right? Like growth. He's not the same guy he was. He didn't have the same people in his life or whatever, but still that's infuriating.

Madi (01:46:04.867)
Yeah.

Madi (01:46:09.443)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (01:46:19.47)
Yeah.

Madi (01:46:27.033)
bright.

Madi (01:46:31.715)
Yep. And now I'm going to be thinking about it.

Madi (01:46:57.465)
Yeah.

Madi (01:47:01.923)
Yeah.

Madi (01:47:06.617)
Yeah, it is. Yep. That is.

Madi (01:47:16.695)
No, my next note is the Peaky Blinder is so good. His hat. That's the hat he's wearing. Yeah. With that he obviously got when he was in Scotland, probably. Yeah. Yay.

Yeah. So good.

Madi (01:47:49.911)
Also, why doesn't he just give city hall address?

Madi (01:47:57.25)
One and done, let's go.

Madi (01:48:02.285)
Yeah.

Madi (01:48:07.085)
Yeah, but he probably doesn't want to like linked back to him in any way, shape or form.

Madi (01:48:18.597)
Yeah, just give him something dude. So funny.

Madi (01:48:28.483)
interesting.

Madi (01:49:25.495)
Yep.

Madi (01:49:36.132)
Yeah.

Madi (01:49:40.261)
Yeah, yeah, you have to be on our grid. I like that. It's like, don't have to be everybody else, everybody, you don't have to be there for everybody else. You have to be there for us. We are family. And he needs that reminder. He's been alone for so much of his life, you know? So.

Madi (01:50:13.399)
adequate adequate

Madi (01:50:20.473)
Yeah.

Madi (01:50:24.238)
I don't know.

Madi (01:50:34.201)
Madi (01:50:41.729)
Yeah, and no one would def- definitely nobody would ever visit him.

Madi (01:51:04.217)
I wonder if that's what the Hills Have Eyes is based off of.

Madi (01:51:11.585)
Don't watch it. No, no, it's a scary movie. Don't watch it. Yeah, don't watch it. I probably could have handled it better before I had Killy. I can't, no. No. I don't recommend, it's rough. Yeah.

Madi (01:51:32.057)
Yeah. Yeah. But the vibe is that all these people are like mountain people and they live where all the nuclear waste has been. And so now they're like mutated.

Madi (01:51:48.303)
Are they start they, they, yeah, but yeah, they like kill and I think they eat people who come into their little mountain area and this family gets stranded out there. That's what happens.

Madi (01:52:05.283)
Yep. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Madi (01:52:13.251)
Yeah, yeah, that's good.

Yeah.

Madi (01:52:36.089)
No.

Madi (01:52:41.186)
No.

Madi (01:52:46.369)
Yeah, it's just, it's, is. Yeah. It's going to be a whole uphill battle, but yeah. Yeah. You got to do what you got to do.

Madi (01:53:14.789)
Yeah.

Madi (01:53:26.711)
Hmm.

Madi (01:54:01.325)
It does. Yeah.

Madi (01:54:07.683)
Yeah.

Madi (01:54:14.051)
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think it shows that she can make the hard decisions too. You know, like, you know, and it's not always the popular decision. And I know that sometimes we look at like, well, our politicians are supposed to fight, fight for us and fight for what we want. But sometimes they have an insight into why something in the longterm might work better.

Right. We don't have a ton of politicians out there now that I think are always working for the better of their people. They're really just, how can they get ahead? But if we take her out of our current politics and maybe take it back, you know, or put it in a, different context of some. Yeah. Sometimes you have to make really tough decisions that aren't going to be popular, but you know, that it's the right decision for everyone in the long haul. It's just going to be really bumpy at the beginning. And I think.

you have to be able to make those decisions to move up.

Madi (01:55:13.892)
Yeah.

Madi (01:55:27.877)
Yeah.

Madi (01:55:36.101)
Yeah.

Madi (01:55:43.737)
Mm, yeah.

Madi (01:55:50.957)
Agreed.

Madi (01:55:56.931)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Madi (01:56:11.501)
Agreed. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

Madi (01:56:44.589)
Yeah. It was good. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So good.

Madi (01:57:01.664)
yeah. no.

Madi (01:57:27.793)
my gosh, it's so funny.

Madi (01:57:32.333)
He just wants chaos. just wants people yelling.

Madi (01:57:52.087)
He was, yeah, if not the first.

Madi (01:57:58.553)
That's right. So he was the second, because I always get mixed up which one of them we interviewed first.

Madi (01:58:13.955)
Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (01:58:23.597)
No, he's so nice. Yeah.

Madi (01:58:42.661)
Her daughter is an idiot. Her daughter is an idiot.

Madi (01:59:03.853)
It's hard, yeah.

Madi (01:59:09.133)
Yeah, there's sometimes when it's really easy to just be a, you know, a helpful human being. And sometimes it's like, they haven't made it easy for you to make that decision earlier on, you know?

Madi (01:59:40.569)
Different things, dude. Different things are happening. Yeah.

Madi (01:59:54.063)
That's great.

Madi (02:00:02.723)
Also different. Yeah. I don't know where they get this stuff.

Madi (02:00:19.556)
Yes.

Madi (02:00:59.883)
You! You don't have money! Ugh, I hate people.

Madi (02:01:12.429)
Yeah, for real. But I love that it opens up this moment for Ingrid to step in and show that she's a united front with Leslie and that they've made this decision and they're moving forward together because that's what you have to do. Like as a leader, sometimes you have to, you have to pretend you're on board with something before you're fully on board because everybody underneath you needs to be united.

Madi (02:01:50.988)
angels.

Madi (02:01:55.63)
Ugh.

Madi (02:01:59.085)
Yeah, we'll take it. She's not wrong.

Madi (02:02:11.577)
Yeah. Yeah. And I'm glad she takes ownership of that.

Madi (02:02:29.977)
Nice.

Madi (02:02:37.199)
Posh. Yeah.

Madi (02:02:45.453)
Yeah, well done. Lots of guest stars in this episode.

Madi (02:03:02.703)
Yep.

Madi (02:03:08.25)
Yep.

Madi (02:03:11.919)
Yep, agreed.

Madi (02:03:24.537)
which don't act like you didn't have a phone with buttons at some point, Tom.

We all started that way.

yeah, that I never had.

Madi (02:03:41.793)
It is. Yeah. Yeah. It fits his, his vibe for sure.

Madi (02:04:20.505)
My gosh, some guys, man.

Madi (02:04:28.835)
Yeah, yeah, which I also think like, if you're not a woman, I think sometimes you don't know what all those words mean. You know, so fair, he's got to learn he's in his learning era before they go into the actual having the kid part.

Madi (02:05:12.139)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (02:05:28.343)
Yeah, that's how we're, I think, left with that. Yeah. Which I think it makes sense. I mean, I think when we look at it now, it's like, you said we got a, we got a scene between Ben and Leslie earlier that we needed to get closure about where they were standing with all this Eagleton stuff. And I think it just shows you that it's not, again, it's nothing against the writing, but it's

It's like they got to get Chris and Anne out. So how fast can we get all this done? Whereas Leslie and Ben are getting the time and energy of making sure that we're still along the ride for the relationship.

Madi (02:06:20.321)
Yeah. Real.

Madi (02:06:44.633)
recalled.

Madi (02:06:49.253)
Way easier to treat. Gosh, it's so bad.

Madi (02:07:02.866)
no. Yeah. So funny.

Madi (02:07:16.429)
Yeah.

Madi (02:07:30.435)
Yeah, it's a good question. Yeah. How that's gonna work.

Madi (02:07:40.665)
What's happening? Yeah. How this is going to Yep.

Madi (02:07:48.706)
No.

Madi (02:08:07.373)
Is she? that's awesome. It's just one season, right?

Madi (02:08:56.025)
aww

Madi (02:09:10.211)
Yeah, that's cool.

Madi (02:09:17.443)
Yeah. Why not? Very cool.

Madi (02:09:25.317)
So much parks overlap. Yay.

Madi (02:09:57.221)
Bye.