(S6Ep5) Gin It Up!

Today on the pod, we're back to basics with Parks romance (Tom and Nadya "whatever-her-last-name-is"), Parks coworker relationships (Donna and Leslie), and Ron being Ron, not quite understanding he has a family now and needs a will. :)  

We discuss details about the importance of having a will, how social media mishaps do happen and we learn what the phrase "Gin It Up" actually means. Full disclosure, gin the drink isn't involved (at least how it's used these days).

AND we introduce Nadya and Typhoon, so good! Yay!!!! 

Thanks for listening! 

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Holly Constant (01:09.085)
Okay, perfect. Okay, well, we're here. We are at season six, episode five. However, we I did have a follow up from the last episode that we talked about with Stephanie Erb. We were talking about which episode you would introduce people to if they're new to parks. And I totally forgot to say the get on your feet episode. Why didn't I think of that?

Madi (01:26.51)
Mm.

Madi (01:29.948)
my gosh, yeah, what a great, great episode.

Holly Constant (01:34.321)
That's the one. I mean, that's the one.

Madi (01:36.398)
And you know the one I think that I would do. I don't think I mentioned this in the episode is the fight.

Holly Constant (01:43.297)
yeah, the snake juice one, of course! my gosh, there's just so many.

Madi (01:45.066)
Yeah, yeah, I love that episode. Because when everybody's trashed, you get to see a completely different side of them. And it's, such a good episode.

Holly Constant (01:54.657)
Yes, I think the ones that we chose are ones who are like already parks fans, which is fair. think that's great. But yes, I think those those are the top three now. So the snake juice one get on your feet, which is called the come the comeback kid episode and then the harvest festival, I would say would be the top three. OK, so.

Madi (01:59.342)
Yeah.

Madi (02:11.011)
Right.

Madi (02:15.214)
Yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (02:18.191)
If you're new here, those are the things. don't think anyone is new here, new to parks anyway. However, that would be a good thing to tell people. Yeah, exactly. Yes. Right. Exactly. And Peacock has pretty decent prices, but just saying. Anyway, OK.

Madi (02:22.236)
No.

or if they're trying to get somebody to watch perks. There you go. There's your starter pack.

Holly Constant (02:39.393)
Okay, yeah, so season six, episode five, gin it up. Love this episode, very straightforward, ABC stories, only a couple of guest stars, not as much, but I think that's because we had like 900 guest stars in Doppelganger, so I think they probably, it felt less like, you know, in this one, but yeah.

Madi (02:48.846)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (02:52.4)
Yeah.

Yeah, they're leaning into the town. So people have been here for a while.

Holly Constant (03:00.333)
Right. Totally. And yeah, 100%. And also, Nadia and Typhoon are just incredible. So I'm glad that they got their own little moments to shine here. Side note, I never really knew and I was always confused about this episode's name because I never really used the phrase, gin it up. Have you ever used it or know what it means?

Madi (03:23.212)
Yeah, me either. No, and I was also like, I had to go back and check the title again after I'd taken all my notes, because I was like, I don't think, does this vibe with what the episode was about? I don't know. Yeah.

Holly Constant (03:36.817)
Like, how was this supposed to go? Yeah, so I looked it up because I was like, what the F? And yeah, it's definitely a phrase that is used. I don't know how often or whatever, but it is a phrase. And it basically means to use or boost or make more active. So like gin up those sales or gin up the economy. And there's also threads that say gin up means to motivate a crowd to do something that they would not otherwise do. So like to instill some sort of like false bravery situation courage.

Madi (04:02.094)
Mm.

Holly Constant (04:05.82)
So I'm guessing in this case, maybe it means make a bigger deal out of every little tiny thing, meaning the Donna and Leslie scandal moment, and just everything in general for recalling Nope. So I think that might be what it means, like to make her more of a villain, to make the crowd hate her, to boost up this animosity toward her. Because we haven't had a straight up trial.

Madi (04:15.47)
Yep.

Madi (04:24.334)
Mmm.

Yeah. I can also see it. my gosh. Yeah. I can also see it being for Tom who just lays it on thick.

Holly Constant (04:37.048)
yeah. Yes, totally. So it could be for all of them, really. Every single story. Yes. Okay. And yeah, Ron making a bigger deal out of the will than it is, even though it is a big deal, but you know what I mean? Yeah. Okay. I know. my gosh. Yeah. We have a lot to talk about.

Madi (04:43.511)
Yeah.

So true.

Madi (04:52.736)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I have thoughts on that too.

Madi (04:59.287)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (05:00.484)
Okay, so this was written by Matt Murray, who was also a producer and writer known for Community, The Good Place, and many, many episodes of SNL, of course. And I say of course, because so many people are in the SNL universe from the show. He was there the same years as Amy Poehler, they had some overlap, so they were already, you know, in the same kind of circle. So that's fun. And he is also a writer and producer on LÜT on Apple TV with Maya Rudolph and our friend Alan Yang, who was a producer and writer on this show, Parks and Rec.

Madi (05:21.614)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (05:30.108)
And he also worked on Rutherford Falls with Ed Helms and that's those are all of those are on peacock FYI just letting you know

Madi (05:34.721)
Okay.

Madi (05:39.36)
Even the, even loot?

Holly Constant (05:41.5)
no, LutzAppleTV, I just said that, Sorry. Rather For Falls is on Peacock.

Madi (05:44.206)
Okay. Well, sometimes something belongs to like Apple TV and then they get like a right to show it. it could have been a thing. Apple's probably a little bit more strict than other people, but.

Holly Constant (05:52.758)
yeah. That's right. That's right.

I know, I wonder. That's true. And Adam Scott is in LÜT a couple of times too, so it's definitely worth a watch. It's super fun. And then Matt Murray also worked on Girls by Veva, which we love. It has a lot of our favorite SNL people and comedy people in there. So many great things in his career. And I believe Girls by Veva started on Peacock and then it ended on Netflix. Because if it was Peacock or whoever it was, whichever streaming service,

Madi (06:03.193)
cool.

Madi (06:20.887)
Okay.

Holly Constant (06:25.466)
dropped the ball and like dropped them, but then Netflix picked it up. yeah. Okay. And then we have this directed by Yoruma Takone of Lonely Island fame. So fun. my God.

Madi (06:36.93)
That's awesome. I know I love it so much.

Holly Constant (06:41.754)
So for those of us that are new here or you need a refresher, he will later come back as the Grizzle guy, but this is his second time directing Parks. actually, I thought this was his first time, but we actually saw him in season four for the treaty episode, which is the UN episode, the Model UN episode. So this is the second time and it is his last time directing, but obviously not the last time he'll be on the show because like I said, he'll come back for Grizzle.

Madi (06:55.726)
Mm.

Yeah.

Holly Constant (07:06.492)
And I didn't realize he was like such a prominent director. He directed a lot of stuff on SNL and he directed the MacGruber TV show apparently, which I didn't realize. He also directed Pop Star. I didn't realize he directed that movie with his Only Island castmates. So yeah.

Madi (07:17.942)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, he, think because Andy was on the screen in SNL, like for, you everything, people thought that he was the reason Lonely Island was there and like, no one else was part of it. But Yorma was part of it almost as long as he was behind the scenes. Yakiv? I think his name's Yakiv.

Holly Constant (07:40.868)
Yeah, and so was the other guy. I can't remember the other guy's name, but they all auditioned together.

Yeah. But yeah, they all auditioned together and then the other two were writers and then Andy got to be on the screen. But yeah, you're right that it is, it's totally collaboration. wasn't just Sandberg. So that's awesome. Yes. my gosh. So great. incredible. So smart. It's so good.

Madi (07:59.085)
Yeah, yeah, but those are some good years. Lonely Island years. Yeah, they have good stuff.

Madi (08:08.587)
Yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (08:10.734)
Okay, I am ready for a summary whenever you are.

Madi (08:13.536)
Alright, Leslie handles a scandal that in the end brings her and Donna closer. Tom flirts with someone trying to get a permit in the weirdest ways possible, and Ben helps Ron update his will now that he has a family to look after.

Holly Constant (08:27.342)
Yes. my gosh. Yes. Classic episode. feel this is one of the episodes I look at and I'm just like, my gosh, this is classic parks. We've gotten in our groove. We know what we're doing here. I love it so much.

Madi (08:38.58)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, and think we've taken, you know, the last couple episodes we've been in Eagleton, we've been dealing with the recall, and I think this episode takes us back kind of the basics. We're here, like, I mean, we're still dealing with the recall, but, like, we're back where we're dealing with park stuff mostly, and, yeah, it just feels familiar, I feel like.

Holly Constant (08:51.579)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (08:57.646)
Yeah, so true.

Yeah, agreed. Totally. Familiar is a great word. So speaking of the recall, we start this episode with Ben and Leslie going over their polling. Leslie is only down four points, and Leslie's saying she does not want to go negative, just like in her campaign, even though the recall opposition is absolutely going negative. So annoying. I love this line, though, your heart's in the right place, your heart and your butt.

Madi (09:22.115)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Madi (09:29.038)
That's a great line. have that written too. Yeah. And she pulls out this doll that is probably so much money to make and how many they had to make to pass them out.

Holly Constant (09:40.444)
Propaganda!

Madi (09:41.773)
That's so wrong. Yeah, that's so, this is my thing is like when you're in elementary school, like you don't understand politics to know enough of like what's going on. And so I would like when I was teaching, I would hear kids that are like seven yelling like, screw this person, yay, this person. And I'm like, do you even know what you're saying? Your parents are just.

putting it out there for you. And this is the same vibe. It's like, they're too young to know what you're saying and you're giving them an opinion. Like you're not letting them form their own. It makes me so sad.

Holly Constant (10:15.887)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (10:19.996)
No, 100%. I've done that too. I used to do mission friends, what they called mission friends at school. If you're a Sunday school bitch, you probably know what that means. it's like when the kids are younger and during when the adults are in the sanctuary and all the kids go back to mission friends, which is so it's not before the sermon, which is what Sunday school is. It's during the sermon. when kids can't be like they're not old enough to be out there or they

Madi (10:26.368)
yeah.

Madi (10:43.277)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (10:47.108)
you know, their parents decide they're not old enough to be out there. And yeah, I remember that distinctly too. And especially in church, the things, some of the, I didn't hear like, you know, every day or every, every single Sunday, but like when I did hear it, I was like, God, so that's what they're teaching you. And that's how you're like twisting religion. Isn't that wild? But even, even in a secular circumstance, like you said, you know, it's just,

Madi (11:04.494)
Mm.

Yeah. Dang. Yeah.

Holly Constant (11:14.382)
Yeah, the kids have no idea. yeah, this is definitely propaganda and so crazy. I mean, I will say it's good that they mix this in with the fart because it's so funny. And I feel like it just shows how cheap the other side is and how like they don't really understand anything and will laugh at anything as long as it's like just derogatory towards the other person. But then making the fart really long to like you do have to like

Madi (11:23.094)
Yes.

Madi (11:26.4)
Yeah.

Madi (11:36.952)
Yeah.

so long.

That voice sounds like Leslie to me too. It sounds like Amy Poehler voiced that, the doll.

Holly Constant (11:46.281)
I know. Yeah, like a distorted version. Yeah, totally. Yes. my gosh. There is a deleted scene here I wanted to bring up where they go to the booths that they have set up. The Recall Note people have set up and there's a dude trying to give away this gift bag to them and that scene was cut but obviously, you know me, I wanted to play it because this guy, this actor clearly was in here. So I'll just play it for you. It is funny.

Holly Constant (12:43.196)
So that was Ben, by the way. He says, can you take this off? And it was like a sticker on a really nice coffee mug and travel coffee mug. And yeah, they have some really nice stuff in those bags. And I was like, like, to your point that I mean, expensive as hell. I don't know who the hell is funding this.

Madi (12:59.778)
Yeah. Yeah, it's insane.

Holly Constant (13:02.178)
nuts. So yeah, so that guy's name is Neil Campbell, and he's actually a producer for Brooklyn Nine Nine. He was a really big part of that show. So that's fun. I didn't know how that all worked, or who was friends with who, or if he just kind of came like regularly auditioned with an agent or something like that. But he has a lot of photos with Andy Samberg. And that is because he also is in this other show that is later on in my notes, but I'll just read.

Madi (13:23.558)
cool.

Holly Constant (13:29.68)
the regular notes first. But he's a producer of Comedy Bang Bang as well, a huge UCB guy. He also created a show called Dig Man, which is animated. and that's why he has the pictures on the show on IMDB slash on the internet with Andy Samberg, because Andy Samberg is also in that animated show. I really want to watch it because it talks about if archaeologists were celebrities. And I was like, what an interesting tagline.

Madi (13:54.958)
That is so interesting.

Holly Constant (13:56.934)
Yeah, I don't know what channel it's on, but I'm sure it's, you know, I'm sure it's on the streaming somewhere. So Dig Man is what that's called. So definitely want to add that to my list. And on the show on Parks, his name or his character name is Lerf, L-E-R-F, last name. I don't even know how you pronounce this. Cormiert. It's K-O-R-M-H-Y-R-T. Cormiert.

Madi (14:25.537)
Yeah.

Gotta be somebody's friend, Has that last name.

Holly Constant (14:30.711)
Mike Scherr, you weirdo. I love it so much. my gosh. But anyway, so I don't know why that was cut because that would have been super fun, but I'm glad that he goes on to like work with, you know, people from parks as well.

Madi (14:43.776)
Yeah, that's great.

Holly Constant (14:45.861)
Okay, so now Leslie printed out a bunch of don't stickers and question mark stickers, stickers that say don't on them, and question marks for the RecallNope signs. And of course Donna figures it out, like why don't you just put the don't in front of RecallNope?

Madi (14:58.286)
Yeah

Madi (15:02.453)
Leslie.

Holly Constant (15:03.069)
I know she didn't think it through. That's okay. She's stressed. It's fine. This is something I would do too though. I feel like I would not think how simple it could be. I would try to make it harder than it is. Recall, nope, don't.

Madi (15:08.13)
Yeah. Yeah. She's super stressed.

Madi (15:15.32)
Yeah.

Madi (15:19.618)
don't know. love that. then April's like, can I take these? Like, I want to go put them on stop signs. And I read somewhere and I'll be interested to like follow it and see if we can find them that you can find those question mark stickers throughout the rest of the season.

Holly Constant (15:24.795)
Mm-hmm. Yes.

Holly Constant (15:35.777)
Yeah, and I think the don'ts too. And even in this episode, you see them. I've picked up a couple of them that you see them just randomly around. So yeah, I definitely would be interested. That will be a fun game for us to check and see where they are in future episodes for sure.

Madi (15:38.688)
Okay, cool.

You do.

Madi (15:51.885)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (15:53.758)
Okay, so now someone new is coming into the parks office and I love that all, well speaking of which, I love that all the question marks are on the front desk. I mean, that must have taken so much time. Like the whole desk is covered in them in the parks department. And I love that this gal that comes in immediately spars with April. Like she doesn't even act.

Madi (16:02.667)
Yep.

Madi (16:07.91)
Holly Constant (16:18.459)
surprised. You know what I mean? It's like, do you are you doing a witch coven? Are you doing slip inside contest, slip inside contest? Really? No. I love it. So she wants to set up a mobile clinic for vaccinations in one of the parks and we zoom out to see Tom just staring at her with his Tom face and I laughed out loud at that. That's such a funny reveal zoom out.

Madi (16:19.947)
Yeah.

Madi (16:26.966)
I know, I love it.

Madi (16:39.181)
my gosh.

Madi (16:43.714)
Seriously. we don't have like, what I love is we've seen care a character development here, right? Like, Tom would have been sleazy in season one or two about this. Like he would have been like, making derogatory comments or comments about taking her back to his place. But like, he's really calmed down and watching him try to get her this whole episode. I don't I didn't have any like, you Tom moments. They were all just like, Tom.

Holly Constant (17:07.581)
Yeah. Right. Yeah. So he's turned in from sleazy Tom to psycho Tom.

Madi (17:14.134)
Yes, Psycho Tom, that's a great adjective for this.

Holly Constant (17:18.415)
nice psycho, not creepy psycho. I mean, it is creepy, but yes. Right, exactly. I love that she's like, sorry, is there something wrong with him? She does a great job of like slowly stopping speaking to ask if there's something wrong. Because she's still talking to April, but then she's just like looking over like, maybe this isn't really happening. And then there comes a point where she can't avoid it anymore. I thought that was really great.

Madi (17:19.754)
Yeah, yeah, his intentions are pure. He's not trying to murder her. It's just coming across that way.

Madi (17:36.899)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (17:43.373)
Yeah.

Madi (17:47.404)
Yeah, yeah, she does a great job with all of her, all of her delivery.

Holly Constant (17:53.178)
Yes, totally. It's so good. And somehow Tom starts speaking in a British accent, which I love this fact. He doesn't even question it. It just comes out and he just tries to keep up with it because that's his way of being psychotom and not sleazy. Tom is like, maybe I can impress her in some way with a British accent? I don't know. I wonder how that came up in the writers room or if that was like an Aziz moment. I don't know.

Madi (18:09.728)
Yeah. Well, and

Madi (18:16.618)
Yeah. my gosh, I can't. And April's face, the way she reacts to is like, it's not too over the top, where like it's giving it away, but she's like, what is happening? Who is this person?

Holly Constant (18:27.279)
Right, yeah, she's so into it because obviously April loves psycho people and psychotic breaks, which seems like Tom might be having. Yes, and this gal, so I did a little bit of a breakdown of her, Nadia Statsky is the character name and she is played by Tatiana Milani. Her most well-known thing that I have heard of is the show Orphan Black. Have you heard of that?

Madi (18:31.884)
Yeah, it's her thing. Yes, very, very much so.

Madi (18:52.492)
No.

Holly Constant (18:53.459)
my gosh. So I've seen clips and I haven't actually watched the full thing because it's an AMC show and I'm really not sure where to watch it. I think it might be on Prime, but I'll have to ask my sister for the login or someone can tell me where to watch it. anyway, she plays like 10 different characters and one of them, she has a British accent and I have heard people rave about her performance and she's everything that she did in parks, like how much we love her and everything. I think it's just heightened a hundred.

thousand percent in this one because she plays so many different characters in one. And so I really need to add it to my list. Everyone talks about how amazing it is. And there's also now a podcast audio drama where it continues the story from the show, but it's set 10 years later that she's also in. So that would be super cool to watch. And it seems like it's very Mr. Murder mystery vibes, because apparently I don't know if it's by.

I don't know if it's by someone killing themselves or what it is, but someone dies and she, it's like her doppelganger. And so she takes on the identity of this girl and you know, chaos ensues, but it's very intriguing. I want to watch it.

Madi (20:01.014)
Yeah, dang, that sounds good.

Holly Constant (20:02.846)
And it was from 2013. So I'm thinking that she was doing it it came out, I think, in like June of 2013. So I'm thinking she was doing this in parks at the same time because, oh yeah, I forgot to do the original air date of Jinnit Up because I was going to start doing that on the show now. But yeah, it was 2013. It looks like it was October 17th. So.

Madi (20:21.346)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (20:29.734)
And then Orphan Black came out in June. So it's like around the same time, I'm sure that they were filming. Yeah. But anyway, she was also in She-Hulk. Did you watch She-Hulk yet? On Disney? Yeah. It's not like my most, again, it's not my most favorite Marvel thing ever, but she was great. I loved her in it. She was awesome. So I would definitely watch. I would recommend watching it just to see her. And then Mark Ruffalo comes in and out, you know, obviously, because he's the Hulk. And then...

Madi (20:34.294)
Okay, very cool.

Madi (20:39.628)
No.

Madi (20:46.316)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (20:57.532)
Let's see, she was also in Perry Mason, which I also need to watch. She has been in comedy, Bang Bang. She's also a huge theater actor and improv lady. So I'm really glad that they added this talent to Parks. It's super cool.

Madi (21:11.906)
Yeah, very cool.

Holly Constant (21:14.462)
Okay, apparently, I was gonna say also, apparently Aziz is a huge fan of Orphan Black and in that show, like I said, she has a British accent as one of the characters. So I was wondering if that lent itself to the story or if Aziz was just like, yeah, maybe I can do a British accent too. Obviously, I'm sure they had it figured out in the writer's room before set, obviously. But yeah, just, it's a fun connection with British accents regardless. So I can't wait to hear her British accent and if it's...

Madi (21:38.657)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (21:41.096)
better than Tom's, which I would assume that it is.

Madi (21:43.885)
Yeah, well, the thing that impressed me and like this is more from a real life perspective than like a writing perspective, right? Because the writers are probably thinking about this is that he didn't just adopt the British accent. He like used the same verbiage and vernacular. Yeah, of the Brits and like he's using mental and like all this stuff. And it's like he could have totally just completely continued to speak like an American with a British accent.

Holly Constant (21:51.326)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (22:00.019)
The dialect.

Holly Constant (22:04.167)
Yes.

Yeah.

Holly Constant (22:11.943)
Right.

Madi (22:13.198)
So like the commitment to the bit.

Holly Constant (22:14.472)
I agree. Yes, I agree. Yeah, his dialect was great as well. Yeah, he is mental and will get you sorted and we don't say that. I mean, we do sometimes, but yeah, I hear you. Okay, so now Ron is loading his crossbow, like what the F, in the office and Ben comes in.

Madi (22:19.811)
Yeah.

Yep.

Madi (22:36.322)
Why?

Why?

Holly Constant (22:39.93)
my gosh, that was, it's scary. I think I would really freak out if I saw that in a real life setting. Obviously this is not a real life setting, but I would immediately be concerned and call somebody about that. And it is true, he's right, that it is true that a folder could be used as a weapon too, especially in Ron's hands. But a folder wouldn't accidentally kill anyone, I don't believe, like a crossbow would, so.

Madi (22:59.064)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (23:06.972)
and the idea that you're a boss with it, so I don't think that's a fair comparison.

Madi (23:10.158)
Agreed, agreed. Like sometimes he just makes himself way too at home at the office for me, Ron. It's like this is still like I understand that you're trying to like take the government down from within and be inefficient. But like this is a safety issue now. Come on.

Holly Constant (23:17.063)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (23:24.274)
Right.

Holly Constant (23:27.837)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (23:31.344)
Yeah, totally. So and it is funny, though, that Ben caves immediately and is like, well, that's probably true about the folder thing. But this is a really sweet moment where Ben says her and Leslie just finished their him and Leslie just finished their will and they want Ron to be the witness, which is so sweet and nice. And I love that.

Madi (23:38.604)
Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (23:54.659)
Yeah, yeah, it's very cute. It says a lot of what he means to them.

Holly Constant (23:58.695)
Yeah, and I totally and it's reciprocated a little bit later on, which I think is really nice. And I love that this show like, I don't know, I just I feel like this show shows Ron.

And this was a great character moment is what I'm trying to say because even though Ron thinks he knows everything, he doesn't understand how complex and intricate and important wills are, especially if you have a family. It's so bizarre to me, but it's that classic Ron personality thing of not understanding. And it was really good for, feel, building on this development of when he...

Madi (24:24.461)
Yeah.

Madi (24:28.472)
for real.

Holly Constant (24:38.428)
wanted to go off the grid without his family knowing and all that kind of stuff. like he does have to change his ways now that you are growing and progressing as a human being that's not on your own. So I thought that was really interesting.

Madi (24:41.368)
Yep.

Madi (24:51.715)
Yeah.

Madi (24:55.394)
Yeah. Yeah, very, very interesting and very interesting mentality around the three most useless jobs to have.

Holly Constant (25:04.958)
Totally a doctor that is useless. Come on.

Madi (25:07.82)
Lawyer? Yeah. Well, we know Ron. Ron doesn't want to go to the doctor. He thinks it's, yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (25:12.392)
Totally. Yep.

What was it? Lawyer, doctor? What was the third one? Do you remember? Oh, yes. Very classic Ron. I know, honestly. Oh my God. And I love that he has these weird symbols in his own will quote. The man who kills me will know. Or wild animal that kills me will know.

Madi (25:17.56)
Congressman.

Madi (25:21.356)
Yes, yeah, I'm surprised that wasn't first.

Yeah.

Madi (25:35.656)
gosh. Yeah, yeah. Well, and I love Ben, know, Ben really knowing who he's talking to. He really lays it out. He's like, listen, you could not get a will. That's your choice. But if something happens to you, the government gets everything you own. And that clicks Ron right into gear. He's ready.

Holly Constant (25:46.205)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (25:54.725)
Yeah. Yeah. And I want to know a little bit if Ben, if they, if the writers knew this, that Ben was doing this maybe like to get him to go to the, to the, to a lawyer, because this isn't a hundred percent true, about it going to the government. It can be true, but I did, I looked it up just to make sure I wasn't crazy, but I work in title insurance and I order probate a lot and probate is

when you don't have a will, goes to the courts through the county that you died in. it has to be, everything has to be laid out. You have to like look at all your assets and it has to figure out where to go. And for the most part, if you don't have a will, does go through the probate system and it is very like, you know,

intricate and intense and a long process, but usually it goes to your closest living relative. It's a whole process. And if, and if you don't have living relatives, goes to typically in most States, it goes to your spouse first. So if Ron doesn't have a will, all of his assets are going to go to Diane regardless. And I looked this up every state is different, but I looked it up. Just make sure that Indiana didn't have any crazy laws that I was unaware of, but Indiana is the same thing. It's going to go to Diane if he doesn't have a will.

For the most part, obviously, there are certain things like bank accounts, which I don't think he has bank accounts. Maybe he does. I don't know. think they're all in gold, but right. But which makes it maybe even more important for him to have a will because like, I don't know how he's proving that all of this assets is his. don't know. Like, how do you prove that the gold is yours? I guess if it's on your property, maybe. I'm not sure. Whatever. I'm thinking too deep into it. But anyway.

Madi (27:20.364)
Everything's buried.

Madi (27:35.394)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (27:42.096)
If it doesn't go, if there's no living relatives, like if his mom died, I'm guessing, like I'm assuming, or I was thinking like maybe if he wasn't married, it would go to his mom or siblings. He doesn't have siblings, right? We haven't met siblings, I don't think.

Madi (27:55.171)
But later we do. In season seven, yeah, he has brothers.

Holly Constant (27:56.823)
yeah. That's right. And we never knew that. That's right. That's right. So if you were under the assumption of season six, and he doesn't have siblings, it would go to his mom, but then his mom would die. I'm sure before him, because she's older, obviously. So then it would go to, if there's no living relatives, then it would go to the state or to the government because

Madi (28:02.894)
Yep.

Madi (28:07.66)
Right.

Holly Constant (28:23.646)
You know, I, I, you'd have to go through everything. You'd have to go through Diane, the kids, the kids are not biologically his though. So they are not technically heirs unless he writes them in. So that is also important. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, if you have like a step kid or an adopted kid or whatever, that has to be in writing that you wanted to go to them because if it's not written out that they are your

Madi (28:34.136)
Okay.

Which is why this is important, right?

Yeah.

Holly Constant (28:52.048)
heirs, like if they're not like by blood, your, you know, beneficiary, then it's not going to go to them. So that's also one of the reasons why it's really important. So, but yeah, it's not going to go to the government in his case, unless again, he like didn't have Diane, but that is

Madi (29:07.084)
Yeah.

Madi (29:11.254)
Is that just if you have that probate insurance or is that like regardless of whether you have it or not?

Holly Constant (29:16.892)
No, that's like regardless. Yeah, it won't. Yeah, it'll go. So probate is if you don't have a will at all. And sometimes if you have a will, it'll still go through the probate process of like being filed and legally recorded in the county office and all that kind of stuff. And obviously I am an amateur, so I don't know all the things. I'm not a lawyer. OK, go to your state lawyer. But I'm just saying that if you it goes to next of kin or your spouse first.

Madi (29:18.583)
Okay.

Madi (29:47.404)
Okay.

Holly Constant (29:49.087)
So yeah. I mean, and if, but Ben is right, if he, if he didn't have Diane and if he didn't have his siblings, then yes, it probably would go to the government or some sort of state thing if he didn't have anything written. yeah. But anyway, I just wanted to give you some legalese. But it does get Ron moving to make a decision, but that's not like mega super completely accurate.

Madi (29:50.368)
Interesting, interesting.

Madi (30:06.09)
Yeah. Bummer.

Holly Constant (30:17.87)
especially since they're married now. But like we talked about the kids part, I know I'm sounding like a broken record, but the kids part is really important because it sounds like he really cares about these kids and I know that he wants them to be safe too. So and nothing would go to them because they're not technically his real heirs.

Madi (30:36.258)
Yeah, it is. Yeah.

Holly Constant (30:36.958)
Which is sad, it sucks to say that. Especially if they consider, if someone considers them, that's happened before. They consider them the dad, but nothing was written so you don't get anything. You know what I mean? Sucks.

Madi (30:48.802)
Yeah. Yeah. That sucks.

Holly Constant (30:52.222)
Um, anyhow, so at least Ron doesn't say like, F you whatever. I feel like he asks, you know, where the lawyer is. So that is some growth.

Madi (30:59.712)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, he's trying to better understand and see what he can do.

Holly Constant (31:02.864)
Once he talks about the government, once he's threatened essentially. Okay, so we're in the city council meeting and I love that there is a question mark on the closed session sign in front. That's fun too. And Leslie is proposing a new bike path and a bunch of other bills that I'm sure are super, you know, efficient and incredible and Jam and DexArt are being absolute tools blocking everything and ending the session early.

Madi (31:05.997)
Yes.

Madi (31:15.704)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (31:29.47)
Ugh, it's so annoying. And then he says nothing personal when like he literally said the line, we don't like you.

Madi (31:33.592)
It's.

Yeah, it's definitely personal. just get, and it's throughout the entire episode, every time Jam's speaking, I get frustrated because it's like, you're not, you don't care about the town. You're there for power and whatever free stuff you can get because you're in that position. And it's just, it's so frustrating.

Holly Constant (31:43.506)
Same.

Holly Constant (31:56.613)
Yes, Glazer, the actor is so good at this. my God. He's so good at playing the sleazebag man. The sleazebag congressman. Yes. That is literally the definition of personal. my God. But Leslie doesn't really take the bait, which is amazing. She doesn't like lose your cool.

Madi (31:59.669)
So good. So good.

He makes you so mad.

Holly Constant (32:17.628)
I don't know how she doesn't, but, then I think it's not in this episode. think it's like the next episode or something when she's like, how am I the one being recalled? That's just so accurate. I feel, my God.

Madi (32:27.242)
Yeah. Yeah. Out of like, I'm not going to remember his name, the really old guy, Marvin. I feel like his name starts with an

Holly Constant (32:38.31)
I know, why am I forgetting it too?

Madi (32:42.944)
I don't know, but like he's definitely, yeah, he's definitely capped. Like he's been there for a long time. Dexheart has all these scandals. Like Jam is, Jam can, Jam shouldn't be there, but he can charm people. Yeah. yeah. Bribery.

Holly Constant (32:44.24)
Anyway, the old guy, yeah.

Yeah.

Holly Constant (32:53.808)
Yeah, just.

Yeah, because I mean, he's had bribery. He's had, mean, so many things that could. Yeah. Inappropriateness for sure. my God. my God. Yes. Ew. Gross. Well, so Chris comes in and tells Leslie that a tweet has been tweeted from the Parks and Rec account. And no, it was Donna on her personal account accidentally.

Madi (33:08.462)
Yeah, definitely inappropriate. Sexual harassment for sure. In the beginning with Leslie too. Yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (33:26.206)
posting because she clearly runs the, you know, show store media department, which is a cool like job task that I wouldn't have thought about, until now. So that's cool. but she goes to tell this to, yeah, she is the perfect person to do it. She would absolutely nail that as far as making people excited about it. And she's totally on the grid. So I could totally see her and Tom making like TikToks for the parks account.

Madi (33:34.634)
Yeah. Yeah. The perfect person to do it.

Madi (33:54.807)
yeah, definitely. yeah, I'd love to see a TikTok. yeah.

Holly Constant (33:55.985)
Wouldn't that be so fun to see? my God. With how big TikTok is now. That would have been awesome. Anyhow, so she goes to tell this to Donna and Donna has a bunch of recall note merch, which is, you know, kind of a callback to that deleted scene with the bags that they were handing out, including a neck massager, which by the way, I totally thought looked like a vibrator. I was like, that's just a straight up vibrator.

Madi (34:14.552)
Yeah.

Madi (34:19.488)
Yep. Yeah, I think it is.

Holly Constant (34:24.247)
I saw that on IMDB too.

Madi (34:26.558)
my gosh, because we got massagers for a work thing last year and like there's a huge caution thing in the packaging that says do not massage your neck because you could hit an artery the wrong way and you could screw yourself up really bad. So they say with those massage guns that you shouldn't use them on your neck at all. So I bet it could be vibrator instead.

Holly Constant (34:45.639)
Hmm.

Holly Constant (34:50.622)
Mmm.

It's totally a vibrator. It's absolutely a vibrator, especially because most massage guns I feel like have like some sort of handle or something. it's just a vibrator. I'm bad about that. I definitely massage my neck, but not like a lot. I mostly just get like my shoulders and then a little bit up into my neck. It feels so good. I need to probably stop doing that, but my God.

Madi (35:01.706)
Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (35:15.01)
Yeah.

Well, and think if you're doing it like low intensity, it's probably not too bad. But like, if you're like driving it in there, like. Yeah.

Holly Constant (35:20.71)
Yeah, that's true.

Holly Constant (35:26.014)
Yeah, my favorite, my massager has like a little attachment on it. It's like a little pointy plastic thing. And I love putting that on my shoulders right here. even poking my shoulder like I'm doing right now. It feels really good.

Madi (35:32.11)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah. my gosh. Those things are a godsend because massages aren't cheap.

Holly Constant (35:42.315)
Yes. Yeah, and they're really good after you exercise too. Oh my God. I didn't realize how intense that is for, you know, when your muscles are tight after exercising. Okay, sorry, tangent. Anyhow, so let's move on here.

Madi (35:46.744)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Madi (35:53.303)
Yeah, so good.

Holly Constant (36:02.49)
Let's see, yeah, I was wondering why she even has merch. Was she trying to take it from the other people so that other people don't get it? Was she putting the don't stickers on there? Yeah, it's free stuff. Yeah, okay, that's fair. I mean, not fair, but I was like, don't take that stuff. But it is free, you're right. And if anyone should have it, it should be them.

Madi (36:13.164)
It's free stuff.

I think it's just free stuff.

Madi (36:26.04)
Yeah. Yeah. And I think, yeah. And I think she's like in this head space of like, they're not changing my mind, but I'll take the free stuff, you know? So.

Holly Constant (36:35.038)
Right. Yes. OK, thank you. All right. So, oh, I was going to say I've definitely done this on the parks Instagram. And I wonder if anyone else has like crazier stories, but like our park pals Instagram where I have posted my own stuff, but then I like see as it's uploading, I'm like, oh, shoot, that was a wrong count. So it never has been a problem. However, I will say most of the park stuff is very like.

I'm very authentic on the park pals thing anyway. So I feel like if I posted a personal one, no one would be like, that's out of the ordinary. Right. However, sometimes I on Tik Tok, I repost stuff like I'll reshare things. And I definitely do that on the parks more than I realize. It's nothing again. It's nothing like insane. I don't think that anyone would be like, why is that account posting or reposting that? But

Madi (37:05.858)
Yeah.

No one, yeah, no one would flag that.

Holly Constant (37:32.359)
especially since it's not a government job. But I'm just saying, yeah, that could be really, that's like bad. That's really bad. Especially about like sexy firemen on a government funded department. Yikes. And like Donna says too, I guess it could have been worse. It could have been worse. think nowadays, yeah, I feel like nowadays, like obviously Fox News would take it and run with it just like PURD does.

Madi (37:39.512)
Yep.

Yeah.

Madi (37:52.425)
Yeah, it really could have been worse.

Holly Constant (37:59.871)
which I have a little note about that later, but I feel like the rest of us would just be like, who cares? That's funny, actually. But anyway, so Leslie just says be more careful. It could have blown up in her face. And now we're at PURD. Twitter Watergate, the headline says.

Madi (38:00.036)
Yeah.

Madi (38:06.22)
Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (38:19.758)
It should have been Twittergate. Come on.

Holly Constant (38:21.698)
Great. What? Perd, you dummy. You funny dummy. Yeah. And OK, so this is where I have my note, though, where I don't know how I didn't make this connection before. Maybe it's just because of the culture that we're in right now in this administration. But I know it's not as nefarious, but Perd is absolutely Fox News. This is like.

Madi (38:26.765)
My goodness.

Madi (38:43.981)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (38:46.012)
just spouting shit without knowing anything, spreading misinformation, phrasing the phrasing of all of his things being incorrect, not really saying anything, but acting like you're saying something. I mean, I know it was more of a commentary on local news and you know how people blow things up when it's in a small town, but it's spiraled. And now that we're getting into the news nowadays, like current events and stuff like that with this year, I was like, this is Fox News.

Madi (38:46.349)
Yeah.

Madi (38:59.49)
Yeah.

Madi (39:03.458)
but it's spiraled.

Madi (39:10.872)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (39:14.994)
That's what it is. my God. Perd, we love you, Perd. I know it's like I said, it's not as nefarious, but I was like, this is what it is. This is the parallel that I am drawing, but it, yeah, it was so crazy to see that.

Madi (39:16.429)
Yeah.

Madi (39:27.18)
Yeah, it's just to get viewership. It's just to get attention. It's just to get, you know, get people riled up. Yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (39:31.762)
Yes.

Holly Constant (39:35.26)
Yeah, it's who can get the most attention at this time. Yeah, 100%. But it is nice that Chris is helping, or at least trying to help and like stand with her, like guard your buds, they're about to get nipped.

Madi (39:43.384)
Yeah.

Madi (39:47.233)
Yeah. my gosh. Yeah, he really is trying his best. And I don't know where Anne is in all of this episode, but he's stepping in to be a good right hand. I think he's trying to kind of fill that void for Anne.

Holly Constant (39:57.586)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (40:02.525)
Yes, yes, I agree. Yeah, I did look that up. Yeah, both Anne and Pratt are gone. Pratt is obviously doing Galaxy, I think Anne had a couple, Rashida had a couple different shows during the 2012, 2013 timeframe. There was a couple different movies also that she was doing, so don't know if maybe she was filming them, but I couldn't figure out. I'm sure she had something going on with her filming schedule. That must have been what it is.

Madi (40:29.398)
Yeah, that's fair.

Holly Constant (40:31.462)
Yeah. so let's see. yeah, now we're with crazy British Tom talking to Nadia and talking about Pawnee's craziest diseases. and she's not from here, which I didn't realize at the beginning because, she did, this is not where she says it outright, but at the, at this line, she says you have the highest cases of West Nile, not we. So, I thought that was interesting because before I watched it and having been a

Madi (40:54.242)
Right.

Holly Constant (41:00.222)
avid watcher of parks, was, you know, I was like, oh, that's a nice reminder. Because she's with Doctors Without Borders. Yeah.

Madi (41:05.494)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's subtle, yeah, subtle, but makes the point.

Holly Constant (41:11.538)
Totally. And then I love that April just kind of rolls in. Was she in there the whole time? I love that reveal that she just kind of like wheels her chair in from the other side of the table.

Madi (41:22.315)
Yeah.

Yeah, think she's been there the whole time.

Holly Constant (41:28.752)
Yeah, I would guess so too. And I love that she says just keep talking that way because it's so fun. Just keep going in that accident or accident accent.

Madi (41:35.767)
yet.

Madi (41:39.664)
man.

Holly Constant (41:40.915)
But it is funny too, because that's the thing he takes away when she says, don't ever stop talking like that. Like, you think she'd marry me? Like, that's where we're going with this? If I talk like this forever, she'd marry me? Right. Okay, so now we're at the lawyer's office. I love Suave Ben, like when he thinks he's smooth and he knows more than everyone else.

Madi (41:48.256)
Yeah, I know. He just yeah. Yeah, yeah, that was not the point. Yeah.

Madi (42:05.92)
I know, just leans into it.

Holly Constant (42:08.88)
Yes, like just let me do the talking. He's a lawyer, I'm an accountant, we speak the same language. I love that line too about like, well, accountants are known to be more of a bad boy, but you know, there's a respect.

Madi (42:23.391)
my gosh, what a nerd.

Holly Constant (42:25.662)
my god, Adam Scott's performance though is so funny and how like he immediately snaps out of it. It is such a nerdy thing. I love it so much. It's so cute.

Madi (42:28.332)
That's so good.

Madi (42:33.162)
Yeah, I know. I love it. He does such a good job. I'm like this lawyer. He practices too many kinds of law for me.

Holly Constant (42:37.202)
Yes.

Holly Constant (42:41.758)
Right? Yes.

Madi (42:44.942)
It's like I know Pawnee's small, like.

Holly Constant (42:48.24)
I know, I hear what you're saying for sure. Because there are different lawyers for each one, like estate lawyers, like specifically. You're right. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Madi (42:49.806)
It's not that small.

Mm-hmm. Do a state law. Mm-hmm. Yep. And then he did, he was like a personal lawyer and like did like the property law and all that stuff. And I don't know what kind of law you would call that, but like when the Tommy's closet thing was going on.

Holly Constant (43:07.803)
Right.

Right, right. Yeah, I'm not sure either. That's a good question. But yeah, maybe it's like a civil case or something like that. But yeah, I guess he could do multiple. That's funny. But it is nice to think about. That's true. Like a good point that he like Pawnee is so small that they only have one lawyer to do all of the or Eagleton even. Yeah, exactly.

Madi (43:13.891)
Yeah.

Madi (43:18.818)
Yeah.

Madi (43:30.764)
all the law for all the people. They need to have at least have two because if somebody goes to court against someone else who's

Holly Constant (43:38.683)
Right? That's true. That's true. OK, so let's see. Ben says, I love this callback. Ben says Ron is looking to do some Goodwill hunting as a pun. And if you did not listen to the last episode about how you like them apples, that's from Goodwill hunting. So that was a fun moment to have come back. Also, who doesn't like puns? Like, who the F are you, you weirdo?

I know that Ben's going overboard, but to say that you just don't like puns is very, I don't know, just very weird to me. Off-putting to me.

Madi (44:08.856)
puns are great.

Madi (44:20.034)
Yeah. Maybe it's his overemphasis on it, but.

Holly Constant (44:26.256)
Yeah, maybe so. There's another pun in the deleted scenes here where he says he didn't mean to make it inheritance, like tense the word. I thought that was really fun. Inheritance, inheritance. I thought that was really good. I wish that they didn't cut that.

Madi (44:43.406)
That's so funny. my gosh.

Holly Constant (44:47.698)
This show is so good at making puns though. I mean, a lot of shows are, but my God. Anyhow, like you said, this lawyer is the same dude who represents John Ralphio. So I was like, you know what? You're not the best anyway. Like, so why would you understand humor? You know what I mean? Yeah. I do love that they brought him back though. That's super fun. His name is Mark Evan Johnson in real life and he's been on The Good Place and 8,000 Other Things. So we love this dude. right.

Madi (44:49.964)
Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (44:58.776)
Yeah.

Madi (45:13.228)
Yeah, he does a great job.

Holly Constant (45:17.32)
So now we're at the hearing for this whole Twitter gate. I'm calling it Twitter gate because it's not Twitter Watergate, which is also, it is so smart and so funny to just be so dumb and have that slide right off of your list of things that it could be called Twitter Watergate. But at least Jim is honest. He says they want to turn this thing into a circus. And he does that at the press conference too, where he's like, we're going to blow this way out of proportion. my gosh. I think that's really funny.

Madi (45:32.843)
yet.

Madi (45:42.456)
Yeah.

So, so bad. Yeah.

Holly Constant (45:47.326)
Because that's exactly like we just talked about with Fox News and just all these other Republican politicians where they're just like, that's my only point here is to blow this out of proportion.

Madi (45:55.553)
Yeah, yeah, it's to make this the biggest deal on TV right now.

Holly Constant (46:00.359)
Mm-hmm. Yep. So Leslie says, you know, here's the explanation. A Parks and Rec employee accidentally tweeted from the Parks and Rec account, not her personal account. It was an honest mistake. Not a big deal. Well, it is a big deal, but it's like, it's fixable. We can move forward. And Donna is ashamed. You can tell. I think Reda did a really good job of making her facial expressions, you know, embarrassed. So.

Madi (46:04.194)
yeah.

Madi (46:18.018)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (46:21.847)
Yeah.

Madi (46:27.724)
Yeah, yeah, she, you can tell she's remorseful and you know, this is the thing. It's like, this is, this is a department thing. This doesn't have, you know, it's internal department. They handled it internally. They like, I don't feel like that's anybody else's business.

Holly Constant (46:45.372)
Yeah, I think you're exactly right. I feel the same way. Yeah, exactly. that's, to the point where jam is just blowing this out of proportion. This does not need to be a trial. And my gosh, yeah, I thought this was really smart on the Parks people. mean,

turning the attention to stupid stuff and just saying these like buzzwords like Benghazi in 9-11 to get a rise out of people. I mean, my God, that was really smart and so coded for our current system and the current system, you know, well, just the current system in general, the system then the system now, like how it all is.

Madi (47:15.0)
Yeah.

Madi (47:21.229)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (47:24.038)
And the way Leslie explains her reasons for flip-flopping is so good, you know, with the chocolate milk reference and admitting she can change her mind on things, which most people, especially politicians, are just incapable of doing. Not all the time, but a lot most of the time. But I like this whole idea of like, learned new information and then I changed my mind because I learned that new information. And so many, especially Republicans, are not capable of saying that.

Madi (47:28.865)
Yeah.

Madi (47:39.181)
Yeah.

Madi (47:50.603)
Yeah, yeah. Well, and the other part of it for me that really pisses me off about Jam is that he's quoting something she said in a closed door meeting. Like this isn't she didn't come to the media and and give a press conference and say, it was probably just bored teenagers. Right. Like she she genuinely was just like, it's probably bored teenagers, let's go investigate. And in like a peer setting. You know.

Holly Constant (48:00.192)
Right, yeah, that's true.

Holly Constant (48:08.05)
That's true.

Holly Constant (48:14.621)
Yes.

Mm-hmm. Yes, that's so true. That's a good point. Great point. And then Jam brings up that they need to hear from the employee in question. And that's even harder to bear because then you look at Donna and you're like, my god. And Donna thinks she's about to get fired. She said that in the previous moment when they were all meeting together. And Leslie's like, no, no one's getting fired. It's not a big deal. And it's because of this recall election. mean, I'm sure Jam would have like

Madi (48:38.286)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (48:46.426)
wanted to do this before, but if now that she's being recalled, that's even more of a let's get the attention off of her. I don't really understand what jam has like against Leslie. I'll never know. It's just cause she's a woman. I guess that didn't want to sleep with him.

Madi (48:52.578)
Yeah.

Madi (48:59.744)
Yeah, didn't want to sleep with him. She also like he can never get his stuff to just pass with her. Like if it doesn't make sense, like she's not going to pass it. And I think he doesn't like how hard she's made some things for him.

Holly Constant (49:06.204)
Right.

Right.

Holly Constant (49:13.054)
Right, exactly. And he also with the whole like, I guess the bribery situation with the boats and the jet skis and all that stuff. yeah, with that his guy being the animal department fellow. Yeah. Anyway. OK, so now we're back with Tom and he's speaking in his regular accent now and he goes super overboard with getting every single creation of coffee slash caffeine that is available to mankind, even an espresso, which I was like,

Madi (49:26.135)
Yeah.

Madi (49:41.974)
Yeah. I wonder if he went home and got it. Because I'm pretty sure he has an espresso, but it's like the Parks and Rec office definitely doesn't.

Holly Constant (49:44.092)
What? I know.

Holly Constant (49:51.671)
No, when I saw that, was like, my God, did he like when he went to coffee bucks or whatever Starbucks, wherever he wherever he went, did he just buy an espresso because a lot of coffee shops have an espresso machines there that they sell. that's a better point as far as going home and getting it. But yeah, and then four bags of coffee beans like she would need that in this moment. But that's nice, I suppose. And he explains his going.

Madi (50:05.55)
That's true.

Madi (50:15.884)
Yeah. So overboard.

Holly Constant (50:19.326)
so overboard. A latte, cappuccino, all the things. He explains his accent going away with a cold. He said, oh, I had a cold.

Madi (50:29.61)
my gosh and she's she's so sweet yeah she's so sweet because she's like yeah you have a cold let me check your glands you know like just going along with it

Holly Constant (50:30.366)
And so my voice says weird things like being British.

Holly Constant (50:41.04)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, trying to make sure he's OK. I like that she's like, is that glitter? Which. Right, which did you see online where that could have been a reference to Sparkle Suds back when they were like putting like glitter in the soap? think Anne actually came up with that idea. Right. Twinkle, twinkle big star. I don't know. Yeah.

Madi (50:47.488)
Yeah, you have so much moisturizer on.

Madi (51:01.6)
Yeah. Sparkle, sparkle, big star. Sprinkle, sprinkle. What did she say? Yeah, yeah, twinkle, twinkle sounds better. Yeah.

Holly Constant (51:10.53)
Yes, totally. But she says that she's not actually going to be at this event that she's trying to rent the park for the vaccination event, because Tom says he could help administer vaccines as if he has any, you know, experience or knowledge about doing that. But that's when she it's revealed that she lives in Indianapolis. And she's just here for the

Madi (51:17.344)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (51:27.458)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (51:34.697)
So I thought that was really interesting. But yeah, that is funny that he was trying to, he's trying to be so nice, which again, this is where the Psycho Tom, like the nice Psycho Tom comes in because it's like, that would be nice to like have an option of whatever coffee drink I would like, cause you're just not sure which one to get. But then it would just be so strange to see that and then also have to contend in your mind with the fact that he is no longer British. So.

Madi (51:37.294)
Yeah.

Madi (51:51.168)
Yeah, where is that treatment?

Madi (52:02.242)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (52:03.944)
That's not right. I do love this though, where Tom is trying to trap her because she, I love this little moment too, that I am in love with Nadia, whatever her last name is.

Madi (52:16.204)
And it's so funny because I don't think I've clocked before that we knew her last name. And so it's just like, yeah, he doesn't know her last name. Like that's how they don't know each other that much. That's how little they know each other. But she literally gives us her last name when she introduces herself. He just wasn't paying attention. He was like dazed. Yeah.

Holly Constant (52:27.965)
Right.

Holly Constant (52:33.094)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't remember. Yes. I do love this also line of Thomas gonna trap her using my biggest weapon at my disposal, bureaucratic incompetence. Said it really is the most powerful weapon, yes.

Madi (52:45.528)
Yes, which is real. Yeah, it's real.

Holly Constant (52:51.55)
I also love that Tom has set up this date essentially with the... I guess we gotta make daiquiris now. There's rum and fruits here.

I really like that. And I love the form that he makes up too to make, to lease a hangar at the airport. It's almost as if it doesn't exist. That's really funny. And I also love her performance and delivery of like, what is this place? Like, where am I? am in, right. Especially cause Leslie and Ron probably, I think at this point are not there. So it's just, is our Tom and April just like running this weird, like upside down world, you know?

Madi (53:04.959)
my gosh. Yeah.

Madi (53:16.799)
gosh.

Madi (53:20.896)
Yeah, with the music.

Madi (53:29.238)
Yeah.

Madi (53:34.925)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (53:36.574)
Let's see, okay. did you notice that April was making a little hat with the question marks?

Madi (53:37.76)
Yup.

Madi (53:47.724)
I did not notice the hat. I knew, I saw that she had put them all over her desk.

Holly Constant (53:51.647)
My gosh, yes, she is making like that. It looks like a rocket or something You'll have to go back and when you watch it next time it looks like a little rocket or something like a headband But like with a rocket She's putting the stickers over Yeah over it and it was just really funny to me. So anyway

Madi (53:59.309)
Yeah.

Madi (54:10.423)
Amen.

Holly Constant (54:12.528)
Okay, so Dexheart is a huge fan of the tweet. Super gross, he's creepy and weird. And yeah, there is a double standard. He was sued by two different women for sexual harassment and somehow Donna's private Twitter isn't available because her and Jam have the same hairdresser. my God, Jam! And yeah, is like, Jam, you're not supposed to, this is not something to be like investigating the private account. What does that have to do with anything?

Madi (54:20.12)
Don't love that.

Madi (54:40.832)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (54:44.52)
crazy.

Madi (54:47.298)
Yeah, it's.

It's an invasion of privacy and it has nothing to do with the Parks Department. And he's just digging and digging and I'm sure he's getting some help from Pinewood to make sure that Leslie's taken down.

Holly Constant (55:03.516)
Yeah, I agree with that for sure. So annoying. So the hairdresser is Typhoon, which we love that character name. So funny. And he is played by Rodney Toe and he's been in a ton of stuff. I love that he will eventually come back quite a few times. He has been in Modern Family as well. If anyone watches that show, he dresses like a princess at Mitch and Cam's Halloween party and Lily thinks that he is her mom, which I love that episode. It's so funny.

Madi (55:30.51)
my gosh. I don't know if I've seen that one yet. That's great.

Holly Constant (55:33.455)
yeah, it's so funny. my God. Cause they do this whole thing where they say that Lily's mom is a princess when they're reading her nighttime stories. And so every princess that she sees is like, my God, that's my mom. my God. It's so cute. And then add to the fact that both Lily and Rodney are of Asian descent. it's just like, yeah. exactly. he also played in the show Barry, which

Madi (55:42.976)
Mm-hmm. Aww.

Madi (55:50.403)
Yeah.

Madi (55:54.487)
Right.

There she is.

Holly Constant (56:02.27)
I love Rosewood, Good Girls. Yeah, so good. A ton of other more recent things. So you'll definitely have to check that out. Right now there's this show called The Brother's Son on Netflix that he's in, which is fun. He also does a ton of theater, which is great. And it's so funny too, because as I was doing my research on him, I was like,

Madi (56:03.785)
Love, Barry. my gosh.

Holly Constant (56:22.248)
trying to think, didn't he play a hairdresser somewhere else with someone's like dad or something that like the dad didn't want to get his hair cut by anyone else. And that was Ron. I was thinking of the episode where he Ron gets his hair cut. Do you remember that? Yes. I was like, he's got to have played something in some other thing. But no, was just my brain just did not remember that it was this actual show. Because I remember really loving that episode where they

Madi (56:34.561)
Yeah, yeah.

Holly Constant (56:48.88)
really get along over their hatred of like bicycles or something. I can't remember what it was.

Madi (56:52.928)
Yeah, it's something weird where you're like, those two are definitely not going to get along. And then you're like, OK.

Holly Constant (57:00.003)
Yeah, and he like uses the word Euro trash, I think, or something, and Ron really enjoys that.

Madi (57:05.506)
Yeah. man.

Holly Constant (57:08.414)
Okay, so Ron is now giving a ballpark figure to the lawyer to set up his will slash assets because Ben has goaded him by saying, you know, it could go to build a library or the State Department will get it. And so, you know, Ron is like, okay, fine, whatever. And Ben is peeking over. Yes, the library. That was a kick to the nuts.

Madi (57:28.568)
Get in with the library.

Holly Constant (57:38.942)
So anyways, Ben is peeking over his shoulder and then we learned that this is an insane amount. Like trust will need to be drawn up. Kids would never have to work. Tax shelters need to be made. Like what does Ron have? And I love that they never say it. It's such an imagination moment where you're just like, my God, what the F?

Madi (57:55.67)
Yeah.

Madi (57:59.117)
Yeah, it's insane. I can't even imagine what that number is.

Holly Constant (58:03.074)
I know! my god, like is he a billionaire? Yeah, is he a secret billionaire? And also like where are these assets? I feel like it's not just- it can't just be gold in his house. Like there's got to be other stuff that we just don't know about from Ron. It has to be.

Madi (58:04.78)
that his kids won't have to work.

Madi (58:14.499)
No.

Holly Constant (58:19.676)
And I know that he doesn't buy clothes and he doesn't buy new things. So like, get that he's like super frugal and all that, but, doesn't go to the doctor. So he doesn't have any medical bills, but I'm still like, that's still insane. So yeah, I'd be very intrigued to know the number or like what the writers were thinking. Okay. let's see. okay. So now we're at the tweets showing Donna.

and her private account on Twitter and she's complaining about Leslie and it's really sad. It's insulting to Leslie and I hated this. I really don't like that they like pitted them against each other and the bitch boss thing. That's so awful.

Madi (59:03.18)
Yeah, I agree. And I don't, I would never personally do this. Like on my, I mean, you know that I don't post on social media anyway, but if I were to, don't, I would never have my grievances out like that. It feels disrespectful. Like what if she were to ever see it on her own? Like if I have a problem with my job, I go to you or Ivan or, you know, my mom and it's like, Hey, I just need to

vent about what's going on right now. Like it's not a something I feel like is appropriate for putting up anyway. And so it sucks that, you know, that's, that's, that's how Donna felt like she needed to vent. then that Leslie gets to see it. Right. And it's been out there for so many people to see and think about her.

Holly Constant (59:52.615)
I know.

Well, cause that's the thing, it's private. Like Donna's Twitter thing is private. This was never meant to be seen by anyone except for like sexy people that she's trying to hook up with and maybe, maybe Tom, like maybe Tom, cause Tom's on Twitter too. But like this was a private account and Twitter, this was back in the day. I'm sure people still use it this way, but Twitter, this was back in the day when you put every single thought on Twitter. That was like the thing.

Madi (01:00:06.914)
Yeah.

Madi (01:00:10.306)
care.

Holly Constant (01:00:22.586)
I did it too. I didn't necessarily do like the meanness part of it, but like people, and like I said, I'm sure people are doing it now too, but like when I watched award shows or if I watched a TV show or if I just had a random thought pop into my head, this is like where Twitter shined because it was a short thought, it was a quick thought, and you just got it out into the universe and then you felt better. And people use those like...

like tweets could go viral. They still can, but tweets like back then I feel were like going viral because you'd share it and you're like, I agree with this, blah, blah, and so the fact that Donna wasn't even trying to like go viral or anything like that, she was just using Twitter to vent really sucks that jam just like had it out. but I think they handle it like maturely after the fact, but to not

Madi (01:01:02.818)
Yeah, fair.

event.

Madi (01:01:16.263)
yeah.

Holly Constant (01:01:17.426)
But like I fell for Leslie because Leslie has this thing where she thinks that she's friends with everybody even if they are her like subordinates and Donna and Leslie have created this lovely relationship that we've seen grow and prosper over the episodes and over the course of the show. And so it's just like really sad and such a bummer to see that Donna doesn't always feel like it's reciprocated. So yeah, it was just kind of a bummer at this point in the show.

Madi (01:01:47.043)
Yeah, I agree. And I get that side of it too. I feel like Donna's privacy has been violated. And I'm glad that they don't hash it out here and they don't bring out boss bitch here. I'm glad that it's like...

Holly Constant (01:01:49.138)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:02:00.017)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:02:08.208)
Yeah. Right.

Madi (01:02:11.666)
a win that they have off to the side that can't be tainted by jam or anyone else that they have it. don't like, she doesn't try to defend herself right there in the moment. you know, like Chris finds out later and it's a nice little moment away from everybody.

Holly Constant (01:02:24.498)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah. And I do get that it's also like a, like if it's on social media, like there are, there are no rules there. If it's on social media, it's on there. You know what I mean? Regardless of if it's private or not, you know what I mean? Like everyone has like some sort of hold or right to the internet, if you will. but yeah, it does suck. And I mean, the whole thing, when you were saying that they didn't hash it out there, like, I feel like Leslie was just so in shock too, because when this whole thing about like,

Madi (01:02:54.285)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:02:55.582)
being annoying I thought that was your thing that's even more of an insult that's not my thing that's no one's thing Donna like what no don't say that oh my god no also I don't I don't watch true blood so I really wish I knew what that tweet meant maybe I'll have to look it up did you ever watch true blood

Madi (01:03:01.325)
Yeah.

Madi (01:03:04.94)
Yeah, I didn't love that.

Madi (01:03:16.91)
I watched the first season, but it was like, I don't know, I was maybe 15. So I have, don't have any memory of what that would mean.

Holly Constant (01:03:23.634)
I see.

Okay, maybe I should watch it again because yeah, I don't understand what she meant. She did like a hashtag true blood fans get it or something. But anyway, yeah, so and then I don't know, I this whole part of like Donna trying to stick up for herself saying, you know, you really think I hate you after all of this? And to be honest, I don't know. If I was Leslie, I feel like I'd be the same way. I'd be like, don't know, like, because I thought that we were friends.

Madi (01:03:35.021)
Yeah.

Madi (01:03:53.845)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:03:54.052)
and I thought that you liked me and wouldn't call me a bitch. You know what I mean? Ugh.

Madi (01:03:57.837)
Yeah, I thought you had respect for me and like this feels disrespectful.

Holly Constant (01:04:02.099)
Yes, yeah, yeah, the respect part is a huge thing, yeah. Also, okay, so the next scene is Chris trying to postpone these hearings, but he says he can't, like, Jam is just relentless. And I know we kinda gloss over that, but I was like, why not, Chris? Why can't you? Is it because you're just such a rule follower that whatever you think needs to be done and Jam is technically within his rights or something like that?

Madi (01:04:21.591)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:04:31.996)
You could, I feel like you could stop it. You could say this is like a waste of like city taxes and time and resources. What do, what do, why, why are we doing this? All right. I don't know. It kind of brings me back to like when Chris brought Leslie to trial where I was like, okay, does Chris just need everything to be hashed out and like just make this trial be fair and square vibes. But like, that's not fair either, either because jam isn't playing fair and square. I don't know. I was kind of pissed at Chris.

Madi (01:04:39.596)
Which it is. Yeah.

Madi (01:04:47.618)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:05:01.904)
It sounds like why?

Madi (01:05:03.862)
Yeah. It's like, do something. Although I can't, I can't speak too much because I don't know like what a city manager, like how much power they actually have, but you'd think he would have power to say like, this is ridiculous.

Holly Constant (01:05:13.084)
I know.

Yeah, I guess you're right because technically I think we had that moment when Leslie said that technically Leslie is Chris's boss now, now that she's a city council member. So maybe Jam actually is like more powerful quote unquote with his title, but it's still annoying. Whatever. Anyway, so Leslie is testing Chris and asking him if he thinks that she's annoying.

Madi (01:05:25.612)
Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (01:05:35.128)
It is, yeah.

Holly Constant (01:05:42.395)
And he does say what Donna was saying, I guess, in a more professional and diplomatic way, as far as Leslie asks a lot of her people. This is what she meant by annoying, I guess, where she says, sometimes it's hard to work with her, and she can be zealous and just ask a lot of people that she works with and works for or whatever. Which I guess is nice. And I do love that Chris says,

Madi (01:05:52.738)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:06:09.936)
He saw a lot of wonderful tweets as well from Donna, which that was really needed. We really needed, the audience needed to see that Donna does love Leslie as well. And these, some of these tweets were before the trial too, because if there were tweets where she loved Leslie, like after the trial happened, it'd be like, I'm just trying to apologize and like, say face kind of vibes, but it was before too, you know?

Holly Constant (01:06:37.502)
She was like sticking up for her in the Recall Nope campaign and all that kind of stuff. So that was really important for me to see. And I'm glad I forgive Chris in a little ways because he brought this up. And there's a difference between Boss Bitch and Bitch Boss, which that is nice. That's good.

Madi (01:06:40.44)
Yeah.

Madi (01:06:51.757)
Yeah.

Madi (01:06:58.35)
Yeah, I like that too.

Holly Constant (01:07:00.786)
this is where I noticed another sticker. He has a don't on his mug for RecallNope. I love that. Which, by the way, he has a RecallNope mug from somewhere. So he had to put a don't on it. I wonder where he got that mug from. I guess it was again, just free stuff. Anyway.

Madi (01:07:06.978)
Nice.

Madi (01:07:17.23)
Yeah.

Brew stuff.

Holly Constant (01:07:22.558)
So Tom changes his outfit like 800 times and tries to get Nadia to stay but she finally gives up and she's like, okay, whatever And I love that. She named her airline jet blue ivy perfect thing to say to Tom perfect They are soulmates, yes, she's the one Okay, so Ben tries to talk to Ron and again, it's so cute like how wrong he is as far as like

Madi (01:07:36.653)
Yes.

She's the one. Yep.

Holly Constant (01:07:51.493)
He thinks he's helping and he's being this suave Ben again. but he thinks he nailed it. And I just really love that about, you know, cause Ben thinks like, this is about your mortality, isn't it? And I think this is like taking you for a loop and it's really, you know, sad and emotional. And then makes, or Ron makes a joke for the first time, which I think that would be a fun, like trivia moment too, to go back and see did Ron ever.

joke before? Was that his true first joke? We'll have to go back and watch. Yeah. But he doesn't care for joking. Right. Not a fan. So, and I mean, it is fair, I guess, that he doesn't want his kids to be entitled brats, but Ben is right on this part, at least, that it doesn't really matter about the money that, you know, the important important thing is that you teach your kids the right values that you

Madi (01:08:20.654)
Hmm. Yeah, that would be a good question.

Madi (01:08:29.25)
Not a fan, he says.

Holly Constant (01:08:44.796)
want to impart to them and if there is money then you'll know and they'll know what that value is and that money doesn't buy everything and to be a good person and you know those kinds of things. But Ben you know also knows that you can't really convince Ron to do anything so he's like fine just leave it to the wild boar who ends up killing you and Ron has to think about that.

Madi (01:08:51.331)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (01:09:09.152)
And it'll be fine. Yeah. Yeah. But Bill Gates did the same thing where he he's leaving most of his money to charities and his kids are going to have some sliver of his fortune, but it's not, it's not all of it. And I think, I think that's the way I think I don't have his exact wording, but it was, you know, my kids will know what it means to work for what they have and

Holly Constant (01:09:24.253)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (01:09:38.956)
you know, that builds builds character and everything so.

Holly Constant (01:09:42.739)
Yeah, and the sliver of money that both Ron and I'm guessing Gates have are still a lot. So I think they're fine. Right, right. Apparently that reference to the wild boar may have been about Game of Thrones when the king gets killed by a wild boar. If you remember that in the first season.

Madi (01:09:43.788)
Yeah, it's.

Madi (01:09:49.014)
Right. Still a lot. Yeah. Yeah. You're not leaving them nothing. Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (01:10:05.831)
yeah. I didn't catch that, but yeah.

Holly Constant (01:10:07.41)
Yeah, I don't know if that's true for sure, but it is, even if it's not true, it is a nice little reference. So, Ron could have definitely survived in Game of Thrones times, I feel.

Madi (01:10:20.622)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:10:22.546)
Okay, so Donna now goes to talk to Leslie and they both apologize. And in a way, I kind of wanted Donna's apology to be more like apologetic and deeper because we've, have come to look at them as friends, but you know, at the end of the day, also Leslie is Donna's boss and there's always going to be that boundary there. which I kind of just have to accept and see that. I feel like Leslie came in more of like saying, sorry, first, which was weird to me.

Madi (01:10:36.142)
Hmm.

Madi (01:10:42.006)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:10:53.537)
But I don't know, I guess it's just an acceptance thing that that boundary is always going to be there.

Madi (01:10:59.501)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:11:01.554)
But anyway, but I do love the the new hashtag. What'd she say? Like Psycho Boss or something like this crazy. But I can't remember what it was with all her favorite lipsticks and nail polishes and they should wear them at the same time. I actually love that. I think that'd be really fun.

Madi (01:11:01.869)
Yeah.

Madi (01:11:09.678)
Yeah, I think it's Psychoboss.

Madi (01:11:18.87)
Yeah. Cute little bonding.

Holly Constant (01:11:22.544)
Yeah. And at least Donna did apologize. At least she did say something, you know?

Okay, so now we're back at the lawyer's office and the lawyer thinks that he's one upping Ben by saying an accountant wouldn't know what a joke is. Rude. Okay. Because Ron had made a joke again. Not that an accountant would know. Anyway, whatever. I do love this little rivalry though. I think it's really funny. And I wonder if that's like a thing in real life. I'd love to speak to a lawyer or an accountant and see if they have this like kind of subtle undertone of, you know.

Madi (01:11:39.789)
Very rude.

Madi (01:11:52.216)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:12:00.283)
Rivalry.

Madi (01:12:01.753)
I'll have to ask my brother if it exists.

Holly Constant (01:12:04.498)
Yeah, that'd be funny. Okay, so you know what? Maybe a tiny bit because lawyers work with, like estate lawyers work with lenders all the time when they're buying properties. So that could be for sure real. Yeah. So anyway, okay. Let's see. Ron says 5 % will go to his kids. And apparently even that is a preposterous, like crazy amount, like we just talked about. And

Madi (01:12:19.798)
Yeah, that could be where it comes from. Yeah.

Madi (01:12:31.64)
Crazy.

Holly Constant (01:12:33.658)
So I thought that was really funny.

And I love this. This is the moment we were talking about where it's reciprocated, where Leslie and Ben are choice number two because Ron was going to leave, yeah, his kids as like the guardian to his kids as the 98 year old owners of Mulligans.

Madi (01:12:41.525)
Yeah.

Bye.

Madi (01:12:53.816)
Did he, I want to, I hope that he like pushed that by Diane before he put that in writing.

Holly Constant (01:12:59.824)
I know, I would assume so. But yes.

Madi (01:13:03.67)
Yeah. Well, technically I think they have to have, do they have to have the same will, I guess is a question because they're married and so all their assets are joined, including the kids, I guess. Okay.

Holly Constant (01:13:13.53)
No, you have different wills. Yeah, you have your each separate will. But I do believe that you need to make sure that you speak with your partner about like what goes, you know, what is the same like regarding your kids and stuff. Yeah. But I mean, like technically.

Madi (01:13:27.245)
Right.

Holly Constant (01:13:34.311)
Yeah, that would be a really interesting question for an estate lawyer too. Like if you share a bank account or what kind of stuff, or maybe it's just like split evenly. But yeah, because technically when you're married, like you could still own like your car and your spouse isn't on it, or you could own or have like an inheritance from your family that your spouse doesn't really have access to or whatever it is. So like that does need to be in writing or like small stuff even goes in wills like jewelry or books or.

Madi (01:13:56.449)
Right.

Madi (01:14:02.201)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:14:02.557)
whatever worldly possessions you may have, you know what I mean? Obviously you don't have to do all that, but it's safe to say if you have kids, your kids are gonna be the ones that get it. So, anyway.

Madi (01:14:12.995)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:14:19.388)
Okay, so now we want to, yeah, now we're proceeding the witch hunt where, yeah, the whole witches thing is kind of funny to me, but also like, cause you can use witches as a good thing too. You know what I mean? They're in their own coven and they have this relationship, but he's using it derogatorily, which I love that Leslie calls out. So that's good. Okay. Okay.

Madi (01:14:38.668)
Yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:14:41.384)
So they tell Jam off and I love the solidarity because it's so easy for politics and the media to like twist female relationships and like pit them against each other, which is exactly what Jam was trying to do. And I really hated this. So I'm so glad because it, I mean, it worked in a way because, know, when you think about the reality of them not, of Donna like complaining about Leslie when Leslie had no idea that she felt this way, that is a little bit of a shock.

Madi (01:14:49.432)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:15:07.186)
but I don't want the rest of the world to think that they're not friends and that they're not like working through their problems and their issues and stuff and that female relationships can be really strong. Okay, so I do love that Leslie is like, no, fuck you. We're not doing this anymore. And then they walk out and I love that. And I love that Donna, that was Donna's like, I guess redeeming moment when she said, I prefer El Diablo. So.

Madi (01:15:12.888)
Right.

Madi (01:15:23.66)
Yeah.

Madi (01:15:33.184)
Yeah, I'd love that.

Holly Constant (01:15:35.834)
Yeah, so that really helped me. I loved that so much. And that maturity shown there, I just feel like that's so good. However, go ahead. Right. Yeah, you just got jammed.

Madi (01:15:38.86)
Yeah, that's great.

Mm-hmm. It's like you failed by the way. It's like you failed, Jam.

So yeah.

Holly Constant (01:15:53.247)
let's see. I was gonna say, however, Donna does not forgive Typhoon, which is a hilarious name, by the way. I don't think I said that. but his real name is Norman. my God. I love that so much. Which I don't blame her. I don't blame her for not forgiving him yet. Okay. We need some, we need some remorse.

Madi (01:16:00.121)
Great name, yeah.

Madi (01:16:06.004)
Yeah, it's a great little trivia.

Yeah. Yep. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And just for not coming to a party. It's like, come on,

Holly Constant (01:16:20.7)
Right, exactly. Right. my gosh. Okay, so we do a lot in this tag that comes up. We're really wrapping up every single story. Now we're at the hospital because Tom has come to tell Nadia that she can have the park. And side note, this was April's idea to go to the hospital. This was a deleted scene and I wanted to just play for you because it was really cute and I feel like it showed April's growth and just maturity and I really appreciated it.

Madi (01:16:29.389)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:17:14.974)
Okay, sorry, that wasn't very loud. okay, yeah, it wasn't very loud. But basically Tom was like, whatever, what if I have to start over? And it'll just be so weird. And then April was like, well, why can't you just like, go talk to her again? Who cares? And so I thought that was a really sweet moment. And like you heard at the end, it works for her too, because she could steal a human organ. So that's fine.

Madi (01:17:18.104)
That's OK, I could hear the important parts.

Madi (01:17:32.78)
Yeah.

Madi (01:17:42.679)
Of course.

Holly Constant (01:17:44.739)
Love that.

Madi (01:17:46.476)
Yeah. And there's something about April and Tom, like she wants Tom to be happy because she does step in mostly when it's Tom.

Holly Constant (01:17:54.663)
I know, I agree with that. That's true. They do have some sweet moments together. And Tom does that for April as well. Like when Tom came over to do to like lift her up about how poorly the dog adoption went, you know, and she's like, maybe you could still do it. You just have to find ways in this job to like be happy. And I thought that was really sweet. So it's nice to have that kind of back and forth. I like that a lot.

Madi (01:18:09.325)
Yeah.

Madi (01:18:23.117)
Yeah, agreed.

Holly Constant (01:18:25.404)
so Tom is acting all mature and like, okay, whatever. I'm an adult. I'm ready to go. Let's do it. Hyping himself up. But then as soon as he sees her, all of that just goes out the window. He loses all coolness and it's like, whatever, just tell her your fault because you're so dumb. and I do love this moment though, between two adult women of just like Tom is the child at which he is, it's just like, okay, we're the bosses here. We know what's what's up.

Madi (01:18:36.332)
Yep. Yeah.

Ugh.

Madi (01:18:50.498)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:18:53.778)
And I love Nadia's choice of acting to look at him while she says, he is kind of cute. And it's like, he's not even there. Yeah, he's like a Barbie doll that she's looking at that has no feelings or like can't hear him, but she totally knows he can't, she can do that. So.

Madi (01:19:05.12)
Right. They're like having a separate conversation.

Holly Constant (01:19:18.46)
I love that. And I love April's line too of like, he's way out of your league. So there's like literally no risk for you.

Madi (01:19:23.724)
No risk.

Holly Constant (01:19:27.868)
This is such a wonderful moment. I love it. And especially like women that you don't even know each other, but you can see eye to eye. Like, you know what I mean? We know what's up. So that was really cute. And yeah, I love that she's like, what the hell? I'm leaving soon anyway, so might as well just go on a date. I also love this moment where she's just like, OK, I want to go out with me. And then she just leaves. I guess we'll set that up later.

Madi (01:19:28.11)
Yeah.

Madi (01:19:36.6)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (01:19:50.934)
Yeah. Yeah, really. They don't even have each other's numbers or anything. It's fine.

Holly Constant (01:19:57.086)
I I think that that happens so many times. I've actually seen a couple TikToks making fun of that. I feel like that's a TV thing when they're like, okay, well, I'll see you then. And you're just like, but where, what time, what place? my God. Anyhow. Okay, well, that's all I have. Do you have anything else?

Madi (01:20:04.673)
Yeah.

Madi (01:20:09.26)
When?

Madi (01:20:16.206)
So true.

Madi (01:20:22.892)
No, that was my ending, was just that April's having a great friend moment, so.

Holly Constant (01:20:23.943)
Okay.

Holly Constant (01:20:28.732)
Yeah, I like that too. So cute. Okay, well, I really liked that we had that as kind of a palette cleanser, if you will, after the whole like, Eagleton doppelgangers and just a lot of chaos going on with merging them. So, and I love that we learned what jenit up means. Yes.

Madi (01:20:41.838)
Yeah, we needed a break. Yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:20:48.926)
a bit of a break to get back into it. Well, don't forget to rate, review, subscribe, do all the things. We'll be back next time with the next episode. If you have any questions or anything like that that you'd like us to look into, let us know. But otherwise, we will see you on the next round.

Madi (01:21:07.726)
See you next time.

Holly Constant (01:21:14.623)
Cute.