Shed Geek Podcast
The Shed Geek Podcast offers an in depth analysis of the ever growing and robust Shed Industry. Listeners will experience a variety of guests who identify or specialize in particular niche areas of the Shed Industry. You will be engaged as you hear amateur and professional personalities discuss topics such as: Shed hauling, sales, marketing, Rent to Own, shed history, shed faith, and much more. Host Shannon Latham is a self proclaimed "Shed Geek" who attempts to take you through discussions that are as exciting as the industry itself. Listeners of this podcast include those who play a role directly or indirectly with the Shed Industry itself.
Shed Geek Podcast
Family Values in the Shed Industry Part 1
What happens when we prioritize family in an economy designed to pull us apart? Shannon Latham joins Sam Byler just one day after celebrating his 25th wedding anniversary, sparking a profound conversation about the intersection of family values and business success in the shed industry.
Together they explore how traditional marriage celebrations—once grand community events marking 25th and 50th anniversaries—have faded from cultural prominence, reflecting broader societal shifts away from family-centered values. Shannon shares they were told their marriage would never last, yet through determination and commitment, they've built a lasting partnership that now spans a quarter century.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn as they examine the unique family-oriented culture of the shed industry. From manufacturing shops run by fathers and sons to hauling businesses where children gradually join the family trade, Shannon and Sam celebrate how this sector has managed to preserve family integration while many other industries drive division between work and home life.
"Family is your first ministry," Shannon reflects, articulating a perspective that challenges the corporate expectation that work must always come before personal relationships. They share stories of businesses within their community where this principle guides operations, creating environments where family strengthens rather than competes with business success.
Perhaps most compelling is their examination of economic pressures that forced changes in traditional family structures. Shannon recounts how rising costs in the 1980s pushed his mother into the workforce, dramatically altering their family's daily routines and quality of life. This personal story illuminates a broader cultural shift that continues to challenge family cohesion today.
Whether you're in the shed industry or simply interested in how business and family can harmoniously coexist, this thought-provoking conversation offers wisdom for navigating work-life integration in a world that increasingly tries to separate them. Don't miss this authentic exploration of values, relationships, and finding purpose through both work and family.
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Welcome back to another episode of the Shed Geek podcast. Friday fun day with Sambassador. I'm your host, Sam Byler. Um, I'm kind of kicked back tonight. Y'all, uh, lost my hat. I'm kind of kicked back tonight. Y'all Lost my hat, got my weekly shower in and took my wife out to dinner and got to chill out for a little bit, and I'm excited about who I've got on today tonight. Shannon Latham, the boss, the Shed Geek. How are you, man?
Shed Geek:I'm doing really good and I, I, I mimic your energy. I'm laid back tonight. This is one day after my 25th wedding anniversary.
Sambassador:Oh yeah.
Shed Geek:Yeah, I appreciate it. We took the day off to spend together and I actually put work down for the whole day. And that was very difficult for me to do, but I come prepared, Sam. I come prepared for Fun Day Fridays with my Shed Hauler Brotherhood gear. I don't know if you noticed. Oh yeah, I did. I wondered if you were going to mention something about that or not. I'm representing. I'm representing for Sam and all the guys there and the haulers and what they do. Yeah, I always enjoy anything shed hauler related.
Sambassador:Absolutely 25 years 25 years.
Shed Geek:Are you starting to feel old? I am. I look back at my 10-year wedding anniversary. We went down to Nashville, stayed at the Opryland Hotel and I had a head full of hair. Opryland Hotel and I had a head full of hair and I was like I don't know what happened in such a short amount of time. Now it'll grow, it's just, and it's not even like the hairline's missing, it's just thin, Sam. You know it's just thin, but I can't stand to let it grow out even a little bit now. I've been shaving it for so long. I wish it would all just go ahead and turn loose.
Shed Geek:So uh, but yeah 20, 25 years and um, uh, we started dating 29 years ago when I was just a sophomore in high school and uh, it's really neat to reflect on things like that, because that's maybe one of my favorite things about the podcast is we don't just hammer, we do hammer sheds. Right, we hammer carports and all that stuff now, but we talk about life. We just talk about like real life and how family and ministry and all those things sort of combine to make up your life. And I read a post the other day of someone who had been married to their high school sweetheart for 14 years. Actually, her and him were married, but she was writing the post and she was like get ready for a roller coaster because you're going to meet so many different versions of each other over the years.
Shed Geek:And when I think back to me Indiana, whenever I was 15 and we were dating, versus being 44 and now grandparents a roller coaster looking back over the 25 years of just marriage, work, family you know thinking about how she supported me through all of my endeavors the craziness, you know, the craziness of life. You know being stubborn and being stubborn and being driven. In my younger age I've had to come home. I bet you've had to do this with Miss Karen Sam. I've had to come home at least once or more and explain to my wife why I got fired today. Yep.
Sambassador:And she stood by me. Anyway, I was just thinking we could dedicate this whole episode just to our spouses, to our wives, and I see so many people in this industry that I look up to and respect and I see the relationship they have with their wives and it's just like man, it's a big deal up to and respect and I see the relationship they have with their wives and it's just like man, it's a big deal. And we were talking about was I talking to you about that the other day about how we don't celebrate marriage big anniversary anymore yeah 25th wedding anniversary for my mom and dad in a culture where people stayed married forever.
Sambassador:25th wedding anniversary was celebrated almost like a wedding. We threw up, I mean, we, we had the whole thing. We had the table set up front and everything. Um, you know, we had the, the people, the uh, I keep the witnesses what do you call it? Drawing a blank here, I'm getting old. But we had, we had it all set up just like a wedding. A lot of people renewed their vows and then, you know, the 50th, that's a golden one and we don't hear that anymore, it's. It's just, I mean, you took the day off and went celebrated. Good on you, but there was.
Sambassador:You know, it's like sometimes I wonder if we shouldn't be promoting or doing more like we have time to promote anything else or do anything else. But, um, you know, marriage is under attack in this country. We know it. You know, as conservatives, um, the family's under attack. You know, you said you became a grandpa. Um, and I'm just man, that thrills me to no end. You know, I could have been a grandpa long, in fact, if I would have if my son would have had a kid when I did, I'd have a 13 year old grandkid. Oh goodness, yeah, and I'm like there's no way. I don't even want to think about that. They're actually getting old enough that they're actually starting to talk about kids a little bit, you know, and it's like old enough that they're actually starting to talk about kids a little bit, you know, and it's like well, you know I yeah, we're, we're.
Shed Geek:You're absolutely right on celebrating family, family, culture, life and things like that. And, um, you know, everything we do in the shed industry, I, I, I I'm using generalized statements here by saying everything, but generally speaking, everything that you do in your work is to support your family. And you know, I heard a pastor say one time your family is your first ministry. You know, your family is the first ministry that God trusted you with. You know, my buddy Dylan, you know, Dylan likes work so much. He says man, I love to be here, I mean, I actually eat it up. He said you know, God gave, God gave man work, even before he gave him a woman.
Shed Geek:You know, and so I love having these conversations and how they roll into your and your work and your ministry and how they all just kind of collectively come together. At least for me and I think that was one of the biggest changing points of my life is realizing that church wasn't something you did on Sunday, or God wasn't something you put in a box and you checked the box. You know family was a box that you checked I spent time with the kids. Or I know family was a was a box that you checked. I spent time with the kids, or I supported them or I did this work was just a box. I somehow feel like I found the magic, at least for me, whenever I began to say, hey, sometimes you're at work, but God calls you to pray for a customer maybe not sell them something.
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Shed Geek:You know, maybe today is take your son to work day and let him understand what dad does, and we've literally done that to the point where he's, he's editing this podcast, right. So, it's just to me it's just really important to have that sense of community. And that's one thing you said earlier about conservatives that they do well, and one thing that I've even been very envious about. In the Anabaptist culture. I talk to you guys all the time, all kinds of guys that are Mennonite, Amish, and they'll say, well, I was out of town.
Shed Geek:We had to go four states over for a wedding. It was my cousin's daughter's second, second, third dog that was getting married or something. And we went to the wedding and I'm like holy cow, like you guys, like they come out in such groves in support of each other and support of, like the, the, the holy matrimony of marriage, right, uh, and that's, that's pretty impressive. Uh, I don't feel like we had that even 25 years ago with a lot of our family and friends. Several didn't come to the wedding, most wrote us off, said we'd never make it and, to be honest with you, we're lucky we did. To be honest with you, they might have been right. We've had to fight through everything to keep this thing together, but we've done that. We work to keep it together as opposed to let that fall apart. Yeah, I don't know. It's an interesting, dynamic, interesting thought.
Sambassador:Yeah Well, I mean I know a pile of shops out there that I mean manufacturing, hauling, more of those two. I see some of it in the rent-to-own world, maybe a little bit in sales, but in manufacturing you see a lot of places that are family-run businesses Dad and his sons, daughters involved, spouses involved, family operations involved, spouses involved, family operations and then the hauling side. It seems like in the past two years I'm seeing more and more of maybe it's just the industry's aging to a point to where some of those guys you know back in the Tennessee bash that were all what I called the you know Billy, the kids and the young guns and all those guys they're starting to get a little older, their kids are getting a little bit older and you're starting to see them bring their kids around more. That's back to the values of the shed industry. It's huge, it's a big deal.
Sambassador:We all have our love-hate relationships with it and stuff, but at the end of the day, you see more of that, we had that construction growing up as kids. You see more of that. You know we had that construction growing up as kids. You know we'd all go to work with our dads and the guys that were, you know, farming. The kids stayed on the farm and farmed and to be able to see that brought together the way it is in the shed industry and yeah, I was actually leading up to you know what you've done with your family. They're all tied in working with you. I mean you cannot ask for more than that. Tied in working with you, I mean you cannot ask for more than that. That's the top of the mountain.
Shed Geek:Yeah, it tickles me to be able to have Deanna here working with me every day, for multiple reasons. One some people say there's no way I can work with my spouse and I got to tell you, me and Deanna sort of work like a well-oiled machine in terms of like work, even our personal life, like we complement each other well and I think we're a good representation in many ways of opposites attract in some way. But me and Deanna have a little bit different than traditional roles in our marriage. You know, a lot of the guys are quiet, uh, don't speak a whole lot. Uh, you know, you hear that. You know the ladies like yap, yap, yap or whatever. It was just the opposite. For us I'm the yapper.
Shed Geek:And uh.
Shed Geek:I'll talk to anybody that I, that I, I can see I sit down on a Walmart you know bench, and next thing you know I'm 10 minutes into a deep story with him and Deanna's like how do you do that? And I'm like what she's like? You know where he works, what he did for a living? I don't know. I just find people interesting. I think that's why I started a podcast. I wanted to interview all these interesting people because I genuinely find their stories interesting. But we work together, well, you know, and the whole family works, you know, together. Well, troy Aaliyah works for us part time, you know. We get to see the baby sometimes whenever she comes over. So that works out that, so that she can work and we can sit and watch the baby a little bit. But no, it really is. It's become a real family dynamic for us and for a guy who struggled to figure out purpose in life and purpose in work, I would say that I've hit the jackpot about as well as I could possibly hope for.
Sambassador:Mm-hmm. Yeah, agreed, yep, so you know one of the guys that always –'ll just give a shout out to quality in Texas. You know the stripes there, right? Yeah, you know what they're doing there. I love both of us. We love going there and hanging out with this guy. Yeah, you know a couple of brothers and their dad there, and then they have another brother over here in Georgia that I get to see. I need to get back over there and see him again. I haven't seen him in a while to get by there and see him. It's a big deal to me that we can be in an industry that is still fighting for something that's becoming more and more gray, vague. They're trying to make it to where it's not even important anymore. They want it to be downplayed as much as possible.
Shed Geek:Yeah, what do they use in the news? They use the term the nuclear family in the sense of a nucleus and, and you know how it's. Uh, you know, you know a lot of that comes from, you know, from our roots, right, uh, but the reality is I'm better with family. You know, I'm not better on my own and I and I'm better because I'm married. I think that she makes me a better person.
Sambassador:I got a question Does that stem from corporate America? I remember back in the 70s my dad would go to breakfast with some of the local business guys and stuff. We were a small barn shop out in the middle of nowhere in Missouri, you know, and it was a struggle. It was. People talk about struggling today. Let me tell you something. Central Missouri in the mid-'70s it was terrible, and he would. You know. Dad was a little bit like me. He knew a lot of the people in the community, got to know a lot and they would basically talk about being up against the machine, and the machine to them was corporate America. They knew it was coming and they were talking about how it would divide families. You know. They would get wives to go back to work and the kids would be at home by themselves. They called it selling their soul to the machine. They're trying to make it irrelevant. The reasoning behind it is if the family is more important than the job, then you're never committed to the job.
Shed Geek:Oh man what a can of worms. I literally heard a former shed hauler, who's still very related in the shed hauling business, on a phone call, or returned a phone call his day, and he said he literally told the girls at the office that you know, relationships are more important than the job. And they was like no, don't say that you know, or something along the lines of that. And he was like that's absolutely the case. It'll always be the case that family will come first.
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Shed Geek:You know, there's probably a political avenue that we can take just off of this conversation when you think about what a shed hauler is.
Shed Geek:Probably what dominates 90% male, would you say oh yeah, you know, we have good female ones out there, but they're few and far between right, uh, and then sales is going to be a much different number. I don't know what that number is, but it's going to be considerably different. I would, I would think that there's going to be a much higher level of female participation, sort of, in that Manufacturing. I would make the assumption that it's going to be male dominated in many cases, maybe not completely, but I'd be curious of what that percentage is. Do you know a single female?
Sambassador:Do you know a single female builder?
Shed Geek:I know a couple that either own manufacturing or have. I've seen families I never will forget working for Irvin at Summit and going down to Advanced, Missouri, to David Troyer's place, and this whole family was out there building sheds. I'm talking about kids, everybody, you know what I mean. They'd be out there just hammering away and men and I, family and I was so impressed by their family atmosphere, you know what I mean. The way they would all jump in and just get a job done. It kind of reminded me of growing up. You know, in the in the eighties, where my, my dad worked at a kitty litter plant. Um, and you know he was a, he was a maintenance foreman. You know my dad had a sixth grade education. You know, uh, uh, his dad made him quit All the boys quit when they got to sixth grade and, um, um, you know, made them, made them cut wood for a living because that's how they made their living and uh.
Shed Geek:But my dad learned how to be good with his hands. He was self-taught, you know they're four, so taught himself how to change brakes and he started teaching himself how to work on vehicles. The next thing, you know he's pretty, know he's pretty handy, right, he's pretty mechanical. And when he gets a job there, years later on into his life he, you know, made for a really good maintenance foreman that he would bring us up there to that place and have help mow the grass, or he was responsible for filling the soda machines on the side. These were like little side gigs, little side hustles he took to help try and make money for the family. And uh, you know, um, I don't know what we mowed. I bet we mowed three or four acres at least back then and this wasn't like a football field, this was like very patchy mow some here we'd eat here.
Shed Geek:Big field here.
Shed Geek:I think he got paid 50 to mow that something back then of course, we got none of that right because we were just, you know, family helping out. We were just kids just trying to do our part, but, um, I felt like that did a lot of good for us. But while we're on this subject and how you think about the family dynamic in the shed industry, you know my dad was able to make a living. You know cause, my mom, we still talk about it to this day? Cause in 1985, they used to.
Shed Geek:Health insurance used to cost $3 for the whole family per check. Yep, yeah, you know what I pay for health insurance today. For, for just me and Deanna, Troy's got his own, Aaliyah's married off and on Mason's insurance through the fire department. You know we pay for insurance, we get, we get no subsidy. We pay $1,500 a month for insurance. So, it's one of those things where I'm like, wow, three bucks, you know. And then I think back to the eighties, during that time where you know I could sense the pressure on our family financially, even back then for my dad who was making good money, that my mom ended up having to go to work to kind of help.
Shed Geek:And, Sam, that changed everything. That changed everything for our family. My mom used to get up in the mornings and she would fix us breakfast before school. You know, she took care of the home, she took care of the bills. You know, she took care of all the errands. Like, my dad's job was to go work, bring in money for the family, take care of stuff around the house. Right, that's what he did. You know, as far as, like, the car or mowing or stuff like that. You know, uh, my mom took care of everything else and you could sense it even whenever she went to work.
Shed Geek:Everything changed for all of us. Right, there was no breakfast in the morning, it was cereal. She wasn't up cooking eggs, she was tired because she had to work. Dinner changed because dinner wasn't on the table necessarily Every night, strict at 4 or 4. Thirty or five o'clock or whatever we ate. Uh, you know. So, things just change whenever you do. And I'd be curious at how many people in the shed industry and how they view it in terms of, like, the family dynamic in their business, yep, something we haven't really hit on, is it?
Sambassador:Not really there's been. There's been occasions when we'll kind of tap dance around the subject of the supporting cast behind us. We'll talk about that a little bit, but not the outright attack that we've seen the last 20 years on the actual structure of family. And I believe if my dad was alive today he would say that what they were afraid of in the 70s is exactly what we've gotten. I'm sure there's old guys out there that had those same conversations back in those days, but central Missouri was a very, very poor place back in the mid-70s and some of that area even still is Like I go back and visit every once in a while and it just kind of blows me away.
Sambassador:You know, man, I am very blessed to be living in the area I'm in, other than the curse of traffic. It's awful here. We went in like today. We literally wanted to go eat early tonight, wanted to take Aaron and Haley out, and I got a buddy here, john, that's trying to help me walk through what the future looks like for what I'm doing right now, which is a whole separate podcast, but it was so we headed into town it was probably 10 after 5, and we're running back roads into town and there is nothing but lines and lines of traffic coming out at us and it blows me away at the amount of people that we have in this area. But it also makes for a strong economy. It makes for a good way to make a living. There's plenty to do all that.
Sambassador:But I'm like man, I'm just ready to move, you know, back to central Missouri where there's nobody.
Shed Geek:Yeah, no, you guys are getting busier and busier in that state. It seems like all the time South Carolina and North Carolina. Where exactly in central Missouri were you?
Sambassador:North Central Missouri. We were all the way up on US-36, which is the top route across the top of the state between Chillicothe and Hannibal, a little place called Brookfield Missouri. Some of the folks that will listen to this. They'll be like oh I know exactly where that is. They'll be like wonder who he knew up there.
Shed Geek:I think just here in Hannibal alone is kind of interesting. I took a job; so I went to boot camp in central Missouri. Right, I went to Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri, there in West of Rolla, so that would have been in the summer of 98. When I got out I was working in Cape Girardeau, Missouri and I was working for a company called DNK.
Shed Geek:They used to deliver pharmaceutical supplies to pharmacies, including medicines, and I used to meet a guy in Hannibal, Missouri, on the midnight shift. He would drive from Des Moines, Iowa, and I would drive from cape Girardeau and we would meet in Hannibal. We'd swap vans and then head on back our own separate ways, and that route happened five nights a week. So, uh, it's kind of interesting to just of course you know Hannibal's, halfway, Missouri's halfway, famous for mark twain and everything else.
Shed Geek:But, um, your lifestyle and mine, even though you grew up, uh, you know, under a little bit of different, uh, culture would have been very similar in the sense that, you know, didn't grow up with a whole lot of money and things like that, and so you really relied on dad to you know help, you know make a living, and mom pitched on dad to you know help, you know make a living. And mom pitched in where she could you know what I mean she would always jump in and help out and things like that. And I see that same thing today whenever I go to shed expos or trade shows or the shed hauler bash or any of the local barbecues that you see, you know, kids come out, wives come out, family comes out and support, um, it's, it's really a neat environment and it's, um, it's really made us all feel welcome, uh, especially coming from, you know, not within the culture of the Anabaptist community. You sometimes feel a little bit out of place, almost even, because I don't know the people, like I, always we call it the name game, right, like you know, you guys will be like oh, was.
Shed Geek:You know, was he kin to such and such and they lived in such and such and I'm like, oh my goodness, what is going on here? But you, you guys, you guys all do that and it's, there's such a connectivity there. But honestly, it's a bit of envy for me because I do what it was like to grow up with a big family and cousins and all that, and they were always around and my kids haven't really got to experience much of that. To be honest with you, Sam, uh and I see that family dynamic play out, certainly at the Shed events, and maybe we need to be moving towards that more instead of away from that. Maybe this is the cost of progress. Yeah, I don't.
Sambassador:I don't the cost of progress is. I don't it's. I know what you mean. I don't like the term because it's like progress should be able to happen without the cost of what I hold dear to me. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, so you know. Yeah, like my mom, you know she never went. She never went to work, she never got a job. She was always at home. But she's the one that kept the cost of living so low. But she kept a garden and she planted all this stuff and she knew how to cook good and she knew how to make do with stuff and you know she learned how to. You know, oh, 20 dollars a week for groceries. You know that was it. The rest of it came out of the garden. It's a whole different world, man. It's just crazy.
Shed Geek:My grandma.
Sambassador:Women out there are still doing that. They're still making it work. One reason the Amish don't have to have near as much is because they know how to have just as much. They just know how to do it better and easier.
Shed Geek:You're right. My grandma would can things for the winter. I mean, she'd wrap everything up in that white paper, whatever it's called that, that freezer paper. She'd have so much stuff in the freezer, but she would just keep stuff in general. She was. You know, she wasn't. She wasn't hoarding to be hoarding, I think she was. You know, she grew up as a child during the great depression and you kept everything you could get your hands on. So, for them, uh, we're going to use this one day, you know, rang true, because you know she made use of it one day. So, she, you know she, she just kept stuff, and we had so much stuff in her basement to get rid of. After she passed, we were just like, why would she keep this? You know? But that was that mentality, was. You know, when everything was scarce, you know, you had to kind of keep what you could to get by. I mean, you had, like you said, you had to make do.
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Sambassador:You said something about canning. You reminded me of one of my favorite Amish Mennonite jokes. This couple moved into a community where there was a lot of Amish Mennonites and they were trying to fit in. It was out in the country and they were doing the whole raise a garden and everything and trying to keep their cost of living down and stuff. And one day the husband come home he sat down there at the table and his wife had made dinner and everything and they're sitting there eating. And he said you know, he said he heard, he said I stopped in and talk to those Mennonites down the road again today. And he said they said one of the most peculiar things he says I've ever heard. He said I asked him what they do with all their sweet corn and he said she looked at me and she said that they eat what they could and what they couldn't. They could and his wife looked at him and she goes are you sure that's what?
Sambassador:she said he's like yes, that's exactly what she said. She said that they eat what they could and what they couldn't they could. And he said I can't figure out what she's talking about. So, a couple of days later, the wife's in town and she come back through there and, sure enough, the midnight lady's out there in the garden. So, she pulled over there to set out the road. She walked over and she, you know, hey, you know, it's a beautiful day. How are you doing today and everything? Oh, today and everything, oh, we're doing great, you know, she says.
Sambassador:My husband come home the other night and he told me the most peculiar thing I've ever heard of. He said that he asked you about what you do with all your sweet corn and you told him that you eat what you could and what you couldn't. You could. And the man, that lady looked at a little bit and she goes well, that doesn't make any sense. I don't know why I would have said that. And uh, she's like well, what did you tell him? And she goes well, I told him we eat what we can and what we can't. We can.
Shed Geek:I felt like you were going some direction similar to that. I wasn't exactly sure I got to tell you I don't hear too many Amish and Mennonite jokes.
Sambassador:I got a whole bunch of them. You want to make another episode?
Shed Geek:I don't hear too often. I think people appreciate that.
Sambassador:How many Mennonites can you get in a band? I don't know One more.
Shed Geek:Yeah.
Shed Geek:I didn't recognize so many things from the culture. But I'm so much wiser now after speaking with so many different people. And I say wiser now after speaking with so many different people, and, and I say wiser, I guess I'm just, uh, more attuned to culture and how different things work. And, um, it's really opened up my eyes not only to not growing up in in that culture, that religion, but even other cultures and religions, at least being more open-minded to, to thoughts and things, and the way that people do stuff, and asking questions and being inquisitive rather than being so judgmental. I feel like that's the human condition in many cases if we don't understand something, the first thing we do is criticize it, you know, cause it's not like us.
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