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The Shed Geek Podcast offers an in depth analysis of the ever growing and robust Shed Industry. Listeners will experience a variety of guests who identify or specialize in particular niche areas of the Shed Industry. You will be engaged as you hear amateur and professional personalities discuss topics such as: Shed hauling, sales, marketing, Rent to Own, shed history, shed faith, and much more. Host Shannon Latham is a self proclaimed "Shed Geek" who attempts to take you through discussions that are as exciting as the industry itself. Listeners of this podcast include those who play a role directly or indirectly with the Shed Industry itself.
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Uncle Sam Wants You...to See What Generosity Can Do
In this heartfelt conversation, Sam Byler dons his patriotic Uncle Sam attire as he and Shannon Latham discuss the monumental hurricane relief efforts that have occupied the shed industry for the past nine months. What began as an emergency response to Hurricane Helene has evolved into a remarkable story of American generosity and cooperation across political and geographical boundaries.
Sam shares the extraordinary journey of coordinating hundreds of shed donations from companies throughout the country, with deliveries spanning from North Carolina to Florida. "The people from the shed industry alone is in the hundreds—different dealers, rent-to-own companies, manufacturers, haulers, you name it," Sam reflects, still amazed at the scope of participation. Most touching are his stories of the "little people" whose small but consistent donations formed the backbone of the effort, alongside anonymous companies who donated generously without seeking recognition.
The conversation takes a thoughtful turn as both hosts explore the tension between sharing good deeds and appearing self-promotional. They grapple with biblical principles around giving, concluding that sharing stories of generosity can inspire others when the motive is pure. "Your story is important to other people," Shannon emphasizes, encouraging listeners to share their experiences on future podcast episodes.
Their discussion deepens further when examining how disaster relief became an unexpected form of ministry. "We can become so polarized in what we think is the right thing to do that we totally miss what should be done," Sam observes, noting how they essentially "took church to people" who couldn't attend traditional services. This sparks Shannon to share his vision for "Church of Pod," a potential new podcast ministry reaching people outside traditional church settings.
As the relief efforts conclude with a final push and celebrations on July 4th, both men reflect on how this experience has transformed the shed industry, creating lifelong friendships and demonstrating the power of practical compassion. Their conversation reminds us that when Americans set aside differences and work together, extraordinary things happen through ordinary people.
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Sam Byler:All right, welcome back to another episode of the Shed Geek podcast, Friday fun day with Samba ssador. I'm your host, Sam Byler, and I'm so good to be back with you guys today. As you can tell, we're celebrating freedom. It is July 4th. It's coming right up next week, around the corner. I've got a big thing in town I'm doing today, so I figured I might as well start early. I am Uncle Sam, as you can see, and I'm so excited to have the Shed Geek Shannon Latham back with us again. Shannon, how are you today?
Shed Geek:I'm good man, I love your costume and I love Uncle Sam. That's genius, brilliant. It works really good. I want you. Yeah, you got to do the. I want you, ain't that what, Uncle Sam?
Sam Byler:did. That's what he said, he didn't want you.
Shed Geek:I think that's what I'm going to say. That's what he said he doesn't want you, man, you look sharp dude, you look really sharp.
Sam Byler:I like it. We pull off all kinds of looks. You know what Something I've never addressed that a lot of people. I had this come up last week already. Man, ever since the Shed Show it's just been absolutely crazy around here, like all I've done since the Shed Show the night of is hurricane clean up relief efforts. But somebody asked me last week again they're like where did you find that hat that you wore at the Shed Expo? You know my big hat. I'm like I didn't find that hat. Somebody gave me that hat. Wendell Wendell Stover met me out in the parking lot and he's like dude, you have to wear this thing. So that was not my idea. It was a great idea but it wasn't my idea. So, I guess I should put that out there at some point. That my big shb hat. I'll probably wear it this year again too. People seem to like it and it's fun to do. But yeah, my big SHB hat was not even my idea. I just pulled it off.
Shed Geek:I've seen them online. I've seen people posting stuff like that online so I thought it was hilarious. It was great. Takes a big head to fill that hat. You know what I mean.
Sam Byler:We had a lot of heads in it that day, so I'm not claiming the big heads. The cool thing about this get-up the Uncle Sam, I want you get-up leads me into one of the things I want to talk about today. Up leads me into one of the things I want to talk about today and that is our we're trying to wrap up our relief efforts for hurricane Alene. North Carolina, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, all the way down into Florida. We actually corresponded a couple tiny houses into Florida. We did two, I think, in Georgia and three in South Carolina, and then there was about a dozen of them in Tennessee, but all the rest of them were in North Carolina. So, I kind of automatically revert back to calling it North Carolina effort when actually it was everywhere. But this, the I want you thing, I'm kind of reverse, playing it, I guess in the fact that we had a lot of people. I wanted a lot of people and we got a lot of people.
Sam Byler:I wish there was a way I should have kept a ledger, I guess from day one, to keep track of everybody that actually helped with that project. But it's in the hundreds, the people that even people from the shed industry is in the hundreds Different dealers, rent-down companies, manufacturers, haulers, you name it, the people that came in. Oh, look here, Lila's going to get some attention. She's infatuated with my outfit. For those of y'all that never get to meet her, this is Lila over here. But yeah, it was the monumental effort and the amount of people that became involved is crazy. See, I think she likes my hat. Y'all like my hat, my Uncle Sam hat.
Sam Byler:See, it's cool, so
Shed Geek:Yeah it's hard to uh, it's hard to put in perspective. You know kind of you. You drove back. I remember we were considering, uh, me and you and uh, Dan and I think Deanna talking about maybe grabbing lunch, and you're like no, we're just going to get on the road. And we literally packed up my car at the expo and y'all drove home like 12 straight hours or whatever the trip was, and just barely made it through I-40, I remember before it got taken out. And then here we are planning for another expo already. So, you haven't really caught your breath yet, maybe from that.
Sam Byler:I have not. Yesterday was nine months and before we know it the expo will be here again. At least this time I don't have to drive 13 hours to get to it. So, I always enjoy those trips. They're fun because normally, like when it's in Grand Rapids, I have four or five stops on the way up. They're fun to stop, meet people, hang out with them, you know, and then you go up and then you kind of do the same thing on the way home.
Sam Byler:And that was the plan, you know, for Friday. Well, that was the plan Just meander our way back home. I had Dan with me, we were gonna have a good trip home and then to just pack up and out of the blue, drive all night and drive through rain and storms and everything. Um, we got through i-40. I need to get Dan to tell this story because my GPS, already back in Knoxville, started telling me that I couldn't go I-40. Google GPS was telling me that the road was closed and I kept telling Dan I'm not, I'm not, I'm going to go until I can't go anymore, and then I'll figure out how to turn around and go around, because I knew the back way into Asheville was going to be a mess and I preferred the idea of staying on the big road.
Sam Byler:What I didn't realize was the amount of rain that Asheville had already gotten the day before. That would have probably really changed my plans. But hey, the way it was, we got through there. We got through Asheville and on to 26 26, and that's when the trees started falling. And there again, with it being on the top side of the hurricane, the wind was coming from the east. Most of the trees that were falling across the road were on the other side of the road, and it wasn't until I started down the mountain into Greenville that we started actually having issues with trees on our side of the road. Nine months later, we're still here talking about it. It's crazy.
Shed Geek:It's been quite the effort. I think a lot of people have seen your heart through this effort, the organization that you created, through this effort and the willingness of people to just step out of their comfort zone, volunteer, donate time, donate money, donate supplies or just you know. So it's, it's a, it's a very cool thing and it's a very cool industry to be able to be a part of. We. We talked about this on the other podcast, at the Mayfield tornado, when me and you were able to connect and do something together and it was just. You know Simon Sinek. You know a lot of people read his books. You know find your why. He has this youtube video you guys should check out and he talks about your. Why. Why do you do what you do?
Shed Geek:Cause there's gotta be something driving you in the morning whenever you get up to go.
Sam Byler:Yeah.
Shed Geek:And it's not about what you do, it's not about how you do it and it's not about how you know, how you can explain all of those things, but what really gets to people is why you do what you do, and he talks about this. He said he did a test case on a was a homeless lady in New York city and he said you know, everybody's walked by somebody homeless and what they're doing is they're selling goodwill. They're selling something. They're selling goodwill because he said, if you give, you feel good, but if you don't give, give, you either feel nothing at all or you feel bad, but you can't feel good for not giving.
Shed Geek:Yeah, you know, and this is hey, there's a very biblical application of this. That I did at a keynote speaking event where I broke down like information that was given to me. I didn't research it specifically, but how many times the word give is in the Bible, compared to how many times prayer is in the Bible, or love like the word give, like completely, like yeah, it's like 10 times more than any other word, like give or pray.
Sam Byler:It's in the Bible.
Shed Geek:So, get I. I mean, and giving is the nature of, of, of God, right? He, you know, are the most famous verse in the bible, you know, uh, john 3, 16. You know God loved the world. He gave. He gave his son, right. So, it's, you know anyway.
Shed Geek:Um, he talks about this and he says what I did was I changed her sign. He said she's out there selling goodwill every day. She's making 40 bucks a day to sell goodwill. You know, if you give to me, my calls is justified, you know, like if you give to me. And he said I changed her sign to say you know, if you only give once a week or if you only give once a month, please consider me, I'll be here next month. And he said, you know, changed her sign and all of a sudden she made 40 bucks in two hours. Now she made in a day's worth of work, what she could have done, and you know if you call it work in two hours. And then she got up and left and he said that's probably why she's poor is because she could have stayed and made $160, $180, $200. But the sign kind of addressed the giver, because it's all about the giver.
Shed Geek:Sam, you're just a conduit, you're the tool, you're the vessel. It's all about the giver.
Sam Byler:You just have to give people opportunity. That's every day. You know the one crazy thing about guys like us and our why um, you know, I got friends. They work at BMW, they work at Michelin, they work at Bosch, they work at tti, which is Ryobi and Milwaukee, and all them put together and, and those guys, you know, their why is to provide for their families. But they have to get up in the morning, they have to get dressed, they have to go to work, they have to come, their families, but they have to get up in the morning, they have to get dressed, they have to go to work, they have to come. You know, they have, they have a structure that I don't have. So, I have to have something to motivate me. You follow what I'm saying. Am I making sense? And like if? If I don't, I have to create my own structure, so to speak. But I'm convinced that the giving side of people, if you give them opportunity and you give them a why, most of them will do it. And you know, just I say this all the time just because they didn't help SHB do their projects, and what we did doesn't mean they didn't help somebody else, they did. There was tremendous. There was probably twice as many sheds took into that area outside of SHB as there was through SHB. I'm just, I'm just thankful for the ones that did decide to work with us. Thankful for the ones that did decide to work with us and the people oh my goodness, the people that I've met through this, that I didn't know before that ended up being huge either donors or volunteers or being involved in stuff. Um, that's crazy. Um, Leon Glick, he's a guy from over in belvedere that all my shed guys over there, all my shed buddies over there, they all know him. I never knew him and I got to meet him in North Carolina because he showed up and went to work and somehow he found out about us and he ended up doing some work for us and then he came back over and over and over again, all on his dime, never would take anything, bought a lot of materials, brought a lot of materials and those stories there's dozens and dozens and dozens of them of guys that had nothing to do with the shed industry, came down, worked their tails off and I'll have lifetime friendships from those guys.
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Shed Geek:What do you take in now that you're wrapping up sort of this, this effort there? What do you take away from it outside of the stories um things that are shed related, because the shed industry really showed up in a big way five, six hundred sheds donated, countless hours, fuel, effort, supplies donated, all these different things. What do you take away from it after nine months and all these people? What's on Sam's mind when he wakes up in the morning, now that you're facing a realization that this is winding down? Where's your mindset?
Sam Byler:So, it kind of goes along with this outfit I've got on. Today I have really changed my viewpoint, my opinion of the government versus we, the people. I don't, I don't like. I feel like somehow this, this has got to get out nationally. Um, you know, I've said for a long time that half the stuff the government's required to do today is stuff that originally the church was supposed to do. The church couldn't do it anymore, didn't do it whatever, and the government tried to do it. The government can't do anything. Right, that's just the way it is. It's just the way it works. We brag on our government being we the people, and I want to brag on the fact that we, the people, showed up and did it. That's what's big to me is the fact that, for everything we see on social media, on the news, wherever you're getting your information from, that you know. I mean, we're just, we're pretty much at the end of the world because we've gone to hell in a handbasket and I'm sitting over and I'm like, wait a minute when he bowls right down to boots on the ground to people out here living life.
Sam Byler:I work, I worked with every, every branch of political party there is up there. I worked with liberals. I worked with every branch of political party there is up there. I worked with liberals. I worked with conservatives. I worked with right wing nuts, left wing nuts nobody cared. At the end of the day, when we needed help and when everybody needed help, everybody pulls together and still does. That's we, the people, and this country still runs on way to people. That's my takeaway.
Shed Geek:What are some of the things that you saw? People without a home right Destroyed right.
Shed Geek:No home. What are some of the things you ran up against when trying to put in a temporary shelter versus the red tape that exists Now? Maybe we can play devil's advocate here. I've always said I've never advocated for the devil, but to just kind of humor me, I understand a level of government oversight. This church that we've got, this office that we've got it's a church building. What we've got here, of all things that Illinois I better not say it. I'm going to give them some ideas Of all the things. We do not have strict codes in terms of our electrical um I you know anybody can do your own electrical or whatever.
Shed Geek:You're supposed to have the box inspected but you don't. There's, there's, there's. Even just going across into Paducah in Kentucky. There's way more rules and codes and things like that. This, this church, you kind of operated. You know it's a hundred year old church. You know, uh, closed down during COVID and uh, we got in here after buying it and there were live wires that were just hanging in places because the local handyman the church handyman or whatever would just do whatever.
Shed Geek:And there was literally some pretty heavy wires that were just exposed ends and they were live and we had to go through and just make it safe before we could do anything. So, there's a certain level of oversight. That's necessary, because people will do dangerous things if not no kidding. That said, what can be more dangerous than living in a tent when you have nothing else?
Sam Byler:Or not even a tent Under a bridge with a tarp, everything you own in a little four-door car and you're supposed to sleep in that car too.
Shed Geek:And that's seemingly okay, because what's the alternative?
Sam Byler:right, I mean, you know, there's no code against it.
Sam Byler:There's no way you go into planning and development. So, let's, this is going to take a minute. And I got to back away. I can go all the way back to the seventies, early seventies, when I remember my dad building houses and I, you know dad was one of those dads that he took his boys around with him everywhere he went. So we were on site a lot and I learned construction way, way early age, learned how to farm at an early age because my grandpa having a farm but the construction side of it back in the 70s, you know there was very little codes yet but they were starting to come around and you know nobody wants codes, nobody wants codes but nobody wants uh, what's the word I'm looking for? I can't say what I want to say. Nobody wants bad labor. You know they all want a decent job done.
Sam Byler:And here's the crazy thing about it, you talk about your church building, even if we have codes today. Once you get your CO, your completion for occupancy or whatever you want. I don't remember what CO stands for now, but it means you can move in, you have the right to move in. After you move in, you can go in there and bust all the sheetrock out you want, pull the wires, run them wherever you want to run. Nobody's going to do anything about it. We still live in a pretty free country about it, we still live in a pretty free country. You can do. You can see the stuff that, as a remodeler, the stuff that I've run into over the years, where I'm like man, this house was built in 88, this house was built in 94. I know it had to pass inspection and look at what's in here now. So, it's, it's not like we're still not able to and we and we still do, even you know, to this day, we, we learn, we learn what the law is, and we learn how to get around the law and I guess that's yeah and my bring in. We're really good at that. You know, you just create more rules and we'll just figure out more ways to get around your rules. That's just the way it works.
Sam Byler:So we go, so we go back um a lot of, a lot of the areas that we ended up. So, to start with, we didn't really know where we were going to be. Up there, we worked everywhere. We dropped sheds all over Asheville, all over the you know, spruce Pine, uh, Thuananoaview, some of the bigger, more populated areas that have a lot of codes and stuff. You know we were putting them everywhere and you know nobody really cared what anybody thought it was like they're going there and that's the way it is. And then you start kind of building your funnel into the areas that really need help and you start focusing, like on Bernardsville, on Old Fort, Burnsville, some of the Pensacola, some of the areas that are smaller outer areas, small communities that don't have all this stuff. What they lost didn't have any codes anyway. So, there wasn't near the red tape there as it was in some of the other areas when we started.
Sam Byler:But I was simply of the mind that what you said, these people need anything better than what they have. But when I started seeing what some of the organizations were building up there and giving to people even, I was like wait a minute, you can't just take four pieces of OSB and nail them together and cut a hole in it and say that's better. Just because it's better doesn't mean that it's actually OK. So, I kind of had, like the first couple of times, had run-ins with some of the officials up there. I told them I said, look, I'm not going to put anything out here that I wouldn't be proud to drive up to and call mine for as long as I needed it until I get something better. I said I totally agree with you Setting a box out here with no door in it, no windows in it or whatever? No, I don't. And so, I kind of I guess, by letting them know that I kind of knew where they were coming from or whatever Um, I kind of got a loophole quicker than some of the other ones did in the fact that I understood you know what they were fussing about. I also understood and tried to get them to understand that we have got to do something quick.
Sam Byler:And you know, January, November, December and January by far our heaviest hitting months is when we got the most out. That's when I got zero flack from anybody, because they knew what we were doing and you could tell by looking at what we were doing. It wasn't just a slapped together osb box, it was something that was actually capable of being turned into something better. You know, by then we'd kind of quit using just regular donated sheds. We were actually getting sheds that had house windows in them, house doors in them, everything. Everything was 16-inch on center. So, I just didn't get near the red tape that a lot of guys did, because we kind of switched over to that, and even the ones that we took out before. You know, when we first started, nobody was building these, so we just took what people donated and changed them. Like I had crews that came in and they took out the shed doors and they put in regular house doors. We would change the windows on most of them if we knew they were going to heat them and stay in them because condensation was an issue. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like we kind of got ahead of that before it ever became a thing for us and, as far as I know, we never had a single shed that was threatened to be moved.
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Shed Geek:You know I wonder I've talked for a long time. You know you've got the NSRA and the and the and the. You know you've got APRO, but then, but you know, nsra was created to sort of organize around the rent to own and I don't know that you would say it falls under a pro, but I think we're all subject to. You know the rules of rent to own and April's a bigger umbrella. You know I've been kicking the drum for a little bit about a trade organization and I don't know. You know that I have the wherewithal or the means to to do it, but it seems like it'd be a good idea for somebody Because that trade organization, I feel like it could bring builders in. You know you could communicate with schools and local trade. Trades are on the rise.
Shed Geek:I mean we're obviously seeing what you know, a shift in the country and you know, in terms of college, I mean like I don't know, I just saw where siu enrollment was up, which is, you know, not necessarily surprising, but at the same time, like is, are the, are the? You know degrees, you know is a real use case, scenarios in real life application. You know, because you end up working alongside a lot of people who it's like you, you know, I've got a bachelor's degree, and it's like, and what? And it's like I don't know psychology, you know, or something like that. And it's like, or do you plan to be a psychologist? Like, nah, I just went to, just went to school, you know, and like, indeed, the commercials on indeed are starting to pick up on things like that, or some of the other national tv things I see.
Shed Geek:Uh, they're picking up on stuff like that where they're saying, uh, you just need a degree, any degree, and I experienced that my whole life. You know, like I, I had to teach so many of my bosses how to do the job and I was never available for promotion because I didn't meet the. You know the threshold, you know, of having a degree. I didn't have to have a degree in business. I could have had a degree in psychology. I could have had a liberal arts degree in who knows what, painting pigs on Saturday, I don't know Whatever they can think of. You know what I mean. It was like, well, you're qualified for the job because you've got the degree. You, you met the prerequisite. Um, seems like trades are on the rise and a trade organization would make a lot of sense, because we are in the construction field.
Shed Geek:When it's all said and done, uh and and this is an example of real life meat, you know, rubber meets the road, kind of like, you have a bunch of builders who could just go out and help in multiple areas and I love what you did, uh, how you took it on, um, the people who gave I think it was, uh, you know, and I've always said, I think your heart is is truly ministry Um, you know, I think that's why you do what you do, because I think that that's your way of evangelizing and ministering to people is, maybe you're not behind a pulpit, but you're finding a way to get in front of people and help people. And we have, and continue to make it a point to give this business to God, meaning, if he wants me to do something else and he makes it clear, I'll go.
Shed Geek:I got a really cool thing happening right now and you'll probably hear an episode I was on this guy's and I guess maybe I'll just have to explain it. You'll have to listen to the podcast, but I'll give you a little, a little bit of on on today's episode. You know, podcasting has played such an important role for me and we're five years in now and this went from. You know it's still fun, but it went from fun to a business.
Sam Byler:Yep.
Shed Geek:And I can't, I can't deny that and there's no way that you can do that and not admit that there is less fun in it now because it is a business. That doesn't mean I'm not having fun, let me be clear. It doesn't mean I don't enjoy it.
Shed Geek:I still do I absolutely love it. It does take on a different role when it becomes your life and your business and your livelihood and things like that. You know, we bought this church in November and I was like it was a church of God, but it was a Church of God out of like Anderson, Indiana, not like the church of God, the charismatic church out of Cleveland, Tennessee.
Shed Geek:And I was like I was like six months in and I was like, wait a minute, God, did you just pull a fastener on me? Did I just buy a church? Like I was in six months before it really hit me Like I thought why did I buy a church? Why did it open up so easily for me to buy it?
Shed Geek:I tried every other building in town, nope, this one, no problem. I was like well, I'll just offer them some lower amount and they'll probably tell me no, and then we can move on. They took it and I was like what? Okay, now what's happening?
Sam Byler:Now what.
Shed Geek:So, anyway, I've been struggling with a church home for quite some time because I think I've shared this on the podcast and me, and you have talked about things like this so much. You know, I've had more of a struggle with the church and church people than I have. The world and the world's people oh yeah, people in the world, I seem to understand because I just like your, your, your, your, your shields are, you know, you have your, you have your sword and your shield for the world, and then you have your sword and your shield, you know, as it talks about in Ephesians 6, right For them, you know, to put on your armor. And so, anyway, you know, I've just struggled with that and I've found so many other people like me and I was like, thinking about this podcast, I was like I know there's a lot struggled with that and I've found so many other people like me and I was like, thinking about this podcast, I was like I know there's a lot of churches that starts podcasts, but man, God was just laying it on my heart. They are church podcast. Yep, church of God, it's all coming together for me one day.
Shed Geek:And I was like, is this going to sound sacrilege, or is there people who are going to like absolutely hate me, if you did a, I don't even know what this would look like because there's no groundwork for it. And I was like is a podcast done by a church considered like evangelism? So, it's like is there a way that I can use the podcast to evangelize? What would you call that? Would you call that podcast church? What would you call that? What would you? I'm going back and forth through all this, and God wakes me up. At three o'clock in the morning he said you just bought a church of God. Right. I was like, yeah, he's like, what it's like? What about Church of Pod? Oh, there you go, church of Pod. What's the first thing I do? Go and Google the URL, go to Facebook. Right, there's a guy who's already done it. It's been dormant. It's only three shows. It's been really dormant for a couple of years.
Shed Geek:And God says contact him. And I was like, nah, okay, all right, I got to be obedient, I'll contact him. Oh, no, he didn't answer. He didn't answer, too bad, we got to move on. God was like uh-uh, keep going until you get his attention. I tried for three weeks, messaging him just about every day on Facebook, email and everything else. Finally, he reaches out to me one day and he said man, you're persistent, come to find out. This guy works in marketing in the post-frame world. No way have the best conversation, and at a minimum. By the way, I love the logo because it's church of pod and it's a stained glass window inside of a microphone and I was like, oh, that's just genius. I love it.
Shed Geek:Anyway. I've talked to this guy five or six times already and he said, if nothing else, you've encouraged me to start again because I had this vision. And he said you know, if I don't want to do this anymore, I'm just going to hand it over to you and I don't know what we would do with it. I don't have all the idea for it, Sam, I don't. I don't know what man. The conversation was just excellent that I had with him.
Shed Geek:So that's kind of what's going on in my head as a passion project of trying to reach people, because I'm not trying to get people out of church. We're actually the fact that there's, you know, people 40 years of old, uh of age, and younger only 40% are in church, uh, regularly. Yeah, it's not. It's not that I'm trying to pull them out of the church. I'm just trying to use an unconventional method Like you're talking about here. They were able to be witnessed to in North Carolina because they're kind of in a state of vulnerability and I saw that in jail ministry and you've done jail ministry you see that they're a little bit more open to hearing the word because they're kind of at the end of their self, right and they're recognizing they need something bigger than them. So, I thought how could we use a podcast to help spread the word and evangelize and encourage people to go to church? So that's kind of been my evangelistic approach to this whole thing. So, Church of Pod is on my mind a lot. I'll just say that yeah.
Sam Byler:Listen when you, I'm trying to remember a phrase that somebody told me a couple years ago when your career is God's mission, I don't care what you're doing. You're doing church. Your podcast has been doing church for years, because you recognize and give honor and glory to God and at the end of the day, at the end of the day, that's what church is. That's the thing that I think we figured out the most about being up in North Carolina all the time is we took church to people. They couldn't come to church. We literally took church to them.
Sam Byler:And there was days Aaron and I you know I don't know it was, it was April and we were still going up there, you know, seven days a week and we'd be up there on Sundays and Aaron and I would be driving around and we'd be talking about there's nobody here. Nobody is here for these people on Sunday. These people are out here all on their own on Sundays and it would just hit me like a ton of rocks that we're all at home in our little church buildings, we're doing church, we're sitting in our nice little pews, where it's nice and warm, and these people are out here trying to scrap together whatever they have left in the snow, freezing cold, and it just, you know, it hit me that we can become so polarized in what we think is the right thing to do that we totally miss what should be done.
Shed Geek:We check the boxes, don't we? We check the boxes. I have not missed a day of church in 43 years. I've been there every time the door's been open Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday night, prayer meetings on Tuesday. You know this, that and whatever. On Thursday I'm there constantly. I've heard from people who've literally said I went to church for 30 years and then realized I needed saved you know, like how funny that God will use something you know, uh, like that for you to recognize.
Shed Geek:You know, all of my time I've spent here. I thought I had the answer, I thought I had a solution, but it's just, you know, like we've had to reaffirm over and over and over, like God, I'll move out of this when you want me to move out of it and I'll stay here as long as you want me to, because you are the provider of the opportunity. No man is and guess what? No man can shut it down as long as you want it to move forward. So, as long as we continue not only to give it to him first, but to give it to him daily, it's only the trap that we fall into and men were, were especially susceptible to this of our ego of what I did, yeah, what I did. Look at how much effort I put in. You know, Curtis Creason, you know, used to say I can't get up and walk through the door without his permission.
Sam Byler:Yeah, no kidding.
Sam Byler:Yeah.
Shed Geek:What, what have?
Shed Geek:I done what have I done what? Have I done so anyway, I, I gosh dude, I'm just, I'm just proud of you, happy to call your friend. I love what you did. I remember I think I told this story before when me and you were giving away generators. You know, Kyle made that post to uh, what's his name? Down there in Waco, the um uh oh, chip, chip, chip, uh games, right it was awesome. He gave 10 grand and I was like seriously, that's crazy uh, yeah and that was amazing that he did.
Shed Geek:You know, and, um, I remember handing out those generators and I just remember going. People will know the magnolia network and chip gains and what he stands for, because most people just know him right, I have the record. You know name recognition anyway. You say Sam Byler, shed geek or Kyle Summers, and people are like who, I don't care, you know, I don't know who that is, don't care, care, but they know what Chip and Joanna stands for.
Shed Geek:I was like you know I can take, I can take. Think about that. He gave 10 grand, which is about 10 generators. I think we gave away 50. So, we raised the money for the other 40.
Shed Geek:And instead, everyone that I handed away really grew his network even more. Cause I would ask people, have you ever heard of Chip Gaines Magnolia network? And they would say, oh, I love that show on HGT, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And I was like he actually donated this to you, yep, and they're like, oh, will you tell him? I said thank you. Well, I don't know Chip like that, but it don't matter. They didn't need to know that. He gave to the cause and it was a really nice thing to do. The point was that they knew what his national name recognition was, his product, his show, his all of that stuff. And then they knew what his convictions were in the Lord. They knew what his convictions were in the Lord, so I can spend some time talking to him about it, but I felt like you know, chip gave the value far beyond you know, trying to push Shannon Latham, Shed Geek, Sam Byler, Shed Hauler Brotherhood.
Shed Geek:You know what I mean. Like you know, none of that stuff really mattered. It was just good to hand over that and not have to take credit for it and try to live up to that, because it was just a you know, now you, you are extreme, you take it to the next level. You organized a group of guys for six months and, uh, you know, like I, I, I just you know, we need some Sam Byler's out there. That's why we're not all supposed to be the same Sam.
Sam Byler:No, we definitely don't need everybody running around like me either, that's for sure.
Shed Geek:But they should all wear this getup that you got on today. I heard that let's talk about freedom yeah.
Sam Byler:What's your thoughts? I want to finish up one more thing on our wrap up, just uh. So, I had put a post out a couple weeks ago that it's time to finish up. Um, I, I had felt like already a month before that, coming down off the mountain one day, the lord told me that, um, basically that I'm free to, if I need to get back to what I need to do or whatever, that I pretty much felt released from it. Aaron was with me. He kind of felt the same thing. We talked about it on the way down and that was when my man, I was having serious health issues and we got past that a little bit and then I was like, okay, if I do this, I want to, at least I want to finish it strong. So I'll put a post out there about okay, let's get this thing wrapped up. Let's get it wrapped up by July 4th.
Sam Byler:I had a tremendous amount of people reach out to me and say what do we need to make that happen? What do you need to finish it? What do you need for this or that or whatever? So, we're not finishing at all by dwindling and just dwindling out and fading away. We're finishing strong, with a bang this next week.
Sam Byler:This last week I've got sheds still coming in from southern Illinois, from western Kentucky, from central Kentucky, western Tennessee. I've got four haulers coming in that are bringing those in and then they'll also do a couple deliveries when they're coming in. And Johnny Stahlsboost, my buddy from PA, he's coming back for the fourth time. Man, I don't know how many times he's been down now, but he's going to come back and make sure we get everything wrapped up. We're going to get it tidied up, wrapped up and I feel really good about that, that we had the people that stepped up to give the funds to finish it out, to make sure we get everything done and to get it out there and then basically say we're available for what needs to happen, if something needs to happen.
Sam Byler:But basically, we're going back to what we were doing before. I guess you would say.
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Sam Byler:Now, that being said, even that has changed a lot for me. I've got stuff coming down the pipe now that I never thought I'd have. Opportunities to. That are totally changing. You know, by the time I get to the expo this year, my life's going to look completely different than it did the expo last year, which that's fine, that's the way. That's the way it works.
Sam Byler:And to have, yeah, to have the freedom to be able to do that, um, I never give a big enough shout out to my wife and my family because, ultimately, the freedom that Sam Byler has in doing everything he does comes because they're completely and perfectly fine with him bouncing all over the place, winning and losing and then proceeding from there. So, we have the truck, we're doing a truck giveaway. You know that was my last big uh giveaway item push that we were doing. Um, by the time you guys hear this, we'll be done and have given it away to somebody. But the fact that people have just stepped up incredibly strong at the end and just give a hundred bucks just to say that hey, we, that, hey, we want to help you get done here.
Sam Byler:I'm really excited about doing that, having the truck giveaway done up. We have one more bang-bang that we're giving away. I don't know if YouTube lets us say that or not, but we're doing that too. Getting that done, that's all happening. July 4th um, we're having a kind of low probe July 4th party. Um, I'm not putting it out on Facebook the way I normally do, but I'm letting people know that if they do want to come, they're welcome to and we'll have a decent. We'll have a July 4th party. And then, to wrap it up, do a Facebook Live, give the truck away, kind of give the last numbers of what we've done. Some shout-outs to some of the groups. I don't like doing shout-outs and thank yous to all the people that help, because I'll miss someone.
Sam Byler:But there were definitely, definitely some of those that stepped up. You know Daniel Cain coming down all the way from Maine twice and bringing his rig down here, um Hillview Barns up there, you know, sending their drivers down here two different times. Maine's a long way from here, I know I, you know I had tons of people come in from Michigan, had people from Wisconsin, Minnesota, Texas, Oklahoma. All those guys Vargas brought tons of barns in for us. But Maine is a long way up there and I just, you know, to see some of the people just keep on doing it over and over Liberty Sheds, over in Statesville, not that far away, you know, ended up they got so excited giving us sheds that somehow they got three of their customers to donate sheds. I haven't even figured that out or wrap my head around that. I'm like what were they doing or what were they saying that their customers actually OK. So, I'm going to get on a soapbox here for two minutes and you're just going to have to. Let me do it. We get it.
Sam Byler:We grew up in this culture that you can't brag on yourself, you can't brag on people. Don't let the right hand know what the left hand's doing. All this stuff that we've had crammed down our throats. That does nothing but hinder ministry, does nothing but hinder the mission, because people get excited when you talk about what's happening. If you're not talking about what's happening, nobody can get excited.
Sam Byler:You follow where I'm going so you end up having this company over here that builds sheds and they're like hey, we want to help, we'll donate some sheds to you. So, they're hauler Arkey Hauling, Brant. You know he's like. You know these are the guys that hosted the bash for us in North Carolina. They stepped up big time, hosted the whole bash, wanted to do it, forked over a ton of money to help us. They were they're like hey, we want to help with sheds. You know, these are people in our area, we want to be to help. There's a lot of shed companies around there that didn't help. That goes home with them. But Liberty says we want to help and somehow, by them putting it on their Facebook page or something, some of their I guess previous customers follow them on Facebook. They probably saw it and they're like hey, I want to help.
Shed Geek:No-transcript there is a Bible verse and this is where you're going to get it. This is where you're going to get it because this is a, this is a this is turning into a ministry related podcast episode as much as anything but there is a Bible verse in Matthew, chapter six, verse two. I'm going to go, I got them all here, but let's go. Let's go. Niv. I don't know People are going to have their thoughts, no matter what I do, no matter what I bring up, but NIV, I'm just for you know, simplicity here. So, when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly, I tell you they've received their reward in full.
Shed Geek:And I've thought about this for a long time because I saw guys out there Dylan, marketing buddy, you know Dylan. Dylan used to go out every now and then and record himself giving some waitress or waiter a hundred- dollar tip and got a lot of hate for it. And even myself I was kind of like oh, why are you recording it? There was times that I would be judgmental on that. And he told me one day. He said how many more people are inspired by seeing the story. Have you ever been touched by a story that you saw on video about somebody helping? I mean, it's on the news every night. These people did this for that. I think the key is here, where it says, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the street, to be honored by others. To be honored by others.
Sam Byler:You hit the nail on the head. It's the motive. It's the motive.
Shed Geek:Why are you doing what you're doing? And God is the only one who can see up on the heart, right? Man can't see up on the heart, so only God will know. Are you giving that $100? Are you donating sheds? Are you helping a cause? Are you? Whatever it is you're doing, only God can really judge the heart to know, and he will reward in public, right, he'll reward in public what is done in private, so like, so like. There's nothing wrong with um it. It's a struggle because of perception. People would think, well, this guy is just trying to build his brand, or he's just trying to build his effectiveness or opportunity for himself, which, first of all, you know we're biblically as men, we are supposed to work right, we're supposed to work, you know, um, so.
Shed Geek:So, it's one of those things we're like what's wrong with building work for yourself first of all, but let's if we can even get past that. Like I struggle, I've struggled with talking about my faith on the podcast, not because I struggle with my faith, but because I don't want people to think I'm in a synagogue trying to sell Jesus. Yes, yep, you know what I'm saying. Like don't you don't get to use Jesus to promote your business. And I'm like I don't you don't get to use Jesus to make people feel bad to work with you.
Shed Geek:And I'm like oh yeah, I don't want anyone working with me who feels like they have to because of some. You know, man, that's really right. Sorry, rain, oh yeah, we get rain every day around here. But yeah, I just I think you understand where I'm going with that that I've changed my mindset.
Shed Geek:You know, there's the Facebook post that goes around of the guy that's a cartoon character handing groceries to a needy family and he's taking a selfie and he's smiling great, big and it's like. You know, you don't have to make a spectacle when you give Sam. I can only imagine how many times you've given that you haven't told anybody about it, and others too, and others too. It's not just you, I mean, there's so many people who have, but we are so quick to judge, you know. I mean, I, I remember seeing that after, uh, west Kentucky and Mayfield and the tornado, the flooding happened and I don't remember the gentleman's name and please forgive me because I'm not trying to pick on you by any means, but it was maybe on the Shed Haulers page where somebody said man, West Kentucky gets a tornado and people come out of the woodwork to help, but Eastern Kentucky gets flooded. Nobody wants to show up and like, yeah, I know I'm getting in the weeds, aren't I? We're going to lose some listeners.
Sam Byler:No, no, no.
Shed Geek:No, stay it on. But somebody commented what I wanted to say and I was like oh no, Shannon, you got this public place, you got to stay out of controversy. You don't get to be controversial, you don't get to talk. You know, somebody said what I wanted to say, which was in the time you spent criticizing, you could have been helping.
Sam Byler:Yeah.
Shed Geek:You know, I don't want to go to this church. It doesn't have a good kids program. Maybe God's calling you to start a good kids program because the church needs one, since you're recognizing it.
Shed Geek:It's not me to tell you what to do. It's between you and God. I'm just saying, you know it's, it's easy to criticize, but like, how can well? I mean Sam, in the last two or three years you yourself, I think, would admit you've asked for a lot of the shed industry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's hard to do, it's hard to do, it's hard to do that, it's hard to go back to that same. Well, sometimes you know, like people, like man, I don't know, I can't. I gave a bill but maybe I can't give two. Or gave, you know, a hundred bucks, but maybe I can't give two hundred bucks. I don't know.
Sam Byler:I'm just saying it's tough but you know, God still sees the heart you know what, for those on here that don't follow me on Facebook, I made a post about that. Oh, maybe a month ago, when I sat down and I actually started putting all the budget numbers together and stuff like that. Believe it or not, I actually do love spreadsheets. I'm a numbers guy. Everything is numbers to me. I love numbers.
Sam Byler:I'm working on some projects right now that are all about numbers and it's like the best time of my day working on these numbers. I just can't work on them all day because they don't pay good yet. But when I started actually putting the numbers together, the fact that most of the funding not, not the sheds, but most of the funding that we got to either buy more sheds, finish sheds, give more supplies, whatever it was the majority of the funding still comes from the little people. I have, these little old ladies that nobody will ever know about that send me their money every week, every month, and they do it without any recognition. They don't want any recognition. They don't even care about that. I could, I could put their name out and they wouldn't, whatever. Um, all of that stuff still adds up more than the big dogs and I kind of like that.
Shed Geek:I love the dogs Don't get like that.
Sam Byler:I love the big dogs, don't get me wrong. I need them. They're very important, and especially the ones that donated. You know there's a rent-to-own company up in Ohio, actually two. There's two rent-to-own companies up in Ohio that building count-wise, donated more than anybody did and they don't want any recognition. They don't want anybody to know. There's, there's companies in North Carolina that did that. There's Missouri, Illinois, Kentucky. There's people all over the place. They're like look, we just want to help. What can we do to help you? And that is perfectly fine. I don't. I've seen that on the podcast.
Shed Geek:Yeah, I'm going to make a call right here to say, if you want to be on, please understand that your story is important to other people. I have one guy talk about how much he enjoyed listening to podcasts, but he won't come on one and I said, without guys to come on one, we won't have those stories. So, it's a place of vulnerability where you get to set. It's not a place of bragging, because a lot of people are like oh, I don't really know anything, I don't really have much to say, and I always laugh because I think you know well, didn't God make you unique? Didn't he make you with a unique story? I promise you your story, like it's my job, it's Sam's job to get that out of you, to ask the right questions so that you can share, you know. But that doesn't mean you're bragging if you come on and talk about your family history in the shed world, right? Or your product in the shed world or your service in the shed world there's nothing about it.
Shed Geek:That's, uh, that's bragging. You're sitting down, you're having a conversation and it's, it's. It's just like you would around Sam's campfire if you ever visited there. To me, that's. I see it the same way. We're just putting a microphone to it. There's no formality, everything's able to be edited. So, feel free to reach out. We want to talk to you, you know, because the, yeah, the, the content is, the is the key. So, uh, you want to have good you know good content. We want to ask good questions and other people like to hear your stories and when they're alone, the thing is Sam, me and you'll get it. You'll get the phone calls from the people who are like man, I didn't know that about that guy. I really liked that he said that, or I learned a lot from that, or whatever. I mean, that's how we learn iron sharpens iron. So, like you, know, let's talk about it.
Shed Geek:That's the way I look at it. Let's talk about it, let's communicate. You know um what else? You got, Sam. We got the truck. It's going to be given away.
Sam Byler:Forrest is coming up North Carolina.
Shed Geek:We're coming up on an hour so I don't want to take too much of your time.
Sam Byler:We're good Starting to get into a time of the year where I get crazy busy again. A lot of that stuff was put on hold last year that I don't want to miss this year. We got the bash coming up in October. Texas we're taking the bash to Texas Temple, Texas October 16th and 17th. That's coming right up. There's still some. I think Jason will still take some sponsorships on those.
Sam Byler:I'm actually taking a back burner this time because we got the Texas barbecue guys that are working. Jason wanted to be back in working again, so I'm kind of just sitting on the side and let them do their thing. But it's going to be good. It's going to be a big one. The expo back in Knoxville that suits me 100%. I love it in Knoxville, so that'll be a good one. The Indiana barbecue's coming up. You know the Georgia barbecue's coming up. Indiana barbecue's in September, Georgia barbecue's in November again. So it's getting to the time of year where it just gets crazy. I've got a trip to Colorado. I've got two trips between now and then that I got to get in. So, and I'm working on I'm actually working on some stuff that's outside the shed industry, so I don't yeah, those have become my passion projects.
Shed Geek:I'm still very passionate about sheds and what we do. I love to hear a good story, I love to sit down with somebody and talk, but you know, like we've even cut back on. Honestly, I haven't been super aggressive on like the advertising you know. You know like just really anything here lately We've been so we've been so, so busy with marketing first, rent on. Second, second, finance is good and now working to try to get ShedHub man. That's going to be like we're doing a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff on that right now that people don't see. I wish I could just take some of those calls, some of the dev calls and the marketing and the dev calls and the marketing and where the marketing and the dev team these are people way smarter than me we're having some very high- level conversations. I wish I could just put that out as a podcast episode.
Shed Geek:And maybe we can one of these days. Maybe people would find it incredibly boring too, I don't know, but listening to these people smarter than me talk about how to connect all of the things that need to be connected for better services, it's I'm learning a lot through this whole process. Sam and the shed industry continues to serve man. It's just been great.
Sam Byler:I love the people.
Shed Geek:I love the. I even like the problems. I just I just settled with God one day and said I even liked the backbiting. I even like the problems. I just settled with God one day and said I even like the backbiting, I even like the backstabbing, I even like all the garbage that goes with it. I like it Because bring it on right, because God I'm going to always try to find you in that opportunity.
Shed Geek:I'm going to find a way to point to you. I've got to find a way to, to, to overcome that situation so that, so that you can be glorified, so that you can be honored in the process, somehow, that way people can look. You know it was the Bible say. You know people, people looked at it and said surely that has to be God. That's what I want people to think whenever they, you know, whenever that surely that had to be God, and that's what we want to point to.
Shed Geek:I believe, I believe my, my faith and conviction in God is as strong now as it ever was at any time that I was in. Uh, we've been looking for a new church home, but it's. It's better even in this process than when I was in church. Every time the doors were open I feel bad because, man, you can just get so caught up in being there and, like you said, you took church to the people in North Carolina you can get so caught up in being in the building you know praise and worship, listening to the word, doing the Bible study, Sunday school you get so caught up in being at church that you're not doing church.
Sam Byler:Yep.
Shed Geek:So, anyway, I always love mine in your podcast. They're just conversations that me and you would have anyway.
Sam Byler:Like you said, just stick a microphone and a camera in your face and go through it. These are the conversations we have anyway. So, it's all good, you want to wrap up or you want me to wrap it up.
Shed Geek:Go ahead. Whatever else is on your mind, go ahead and wrap up.
Sam Byler:No, yeah, I'm good. Like Shannon said earlier, we're always looking for more people that want to come on and tell their stories, because stories are. You know. I still stick with Shannon's statement that it's education through entertainment. That's what we get to do, and sometimes it's laughing, sometimes it's crying, sometimes it's just bearing your heart and just telling what happened in your situation. People need to hear that, and it's nothing but the devil saying that. Oh it's just, I'm not. You know, that's testimony. That's what it is. We're supposed to give testimony of what God's done, and this is a perfect place for you to do it. It's a safe place to do it. So, info@ shedgeek. com.
Shed Geek:Info@ shedgeek. com.
Sam Byler:You can send an email there. You can reach out to us on Facebook. Always read the newsletters and stuff. Feel free to reach out to any of us and we'll be more than happy to sit down and have a conversation with you. Thanks to all the guys that support us doing this. I know you said that advertising. You know it's not as important anymore, but thank you so much to all the guys that support us through advertising. Man, I'm so excited to see the Challengers starting to get out. They're finally in production. They you know they're one of the guys that advertise on our show. It's so nice to see on Facebook on the pages, that the machines are rolling, they're going out, they're starting to get out there. So, reach out to those guys. If you're looking for something Huge, shout out to Cardinal Leasing and Cardinal Manufacturing. Those guys always have my back. They always support me. They're good dudes. I don't see anything but up for those guys because they continue to do business the way it's supposed to be done. So that's good.
Sam Byler:Anyway,
Shed Geek:Just to be clear, we're more than happy to have advertising, you know, on especially more shed hauler related advertising, you know, especially on the Friday show. So, you know, when I say we're not as focused on it, what I guess I mean is there was a time where it had to be my living, it had to make a living for me, and God's blessed us with some of these other opportunities. So, what we've done is almost just made it. You know, I almost just wanted to be able to give it away at no cost, but if anybody knows anything about giving something away for free, Sam, it's me and you, and free is about you know, what you know worth, about what you pay for it oh, that's true, gotta be some reasonable accountability.
Shed Geek:So, but definitely happy to promote your products, your services, things that you know. Hey, man, we got a really cool platform and it's digital. So, guess what? There's a lot of tracking analytics that we can like use to prove right you know what? And the and the world is moving more digital, even if the industry is not the rest of the world, saying we're not waiting on you.
Sam Byler:So yeah, I agree, cool deal All right, would you?
Shed Geek:would you? Would you want to, would you? I, I haven't done this in a while and I always feel bad. I feel like you know, would you want to pray over, like this, North Carolina exit or wrap up, if you will? Just?
Sam Byler:the whole. Thing.
Shed Geek:I feel like we should pray over that, because you know we say God's exalted. We want to make sure he's exalted in that.
Sam Byler:Yeah yeah, we'll do it. Um, I'm going to close with my little spiel first and then, when we close, the prayer. Uh, thank you guys for taking the time to listen to another episode of the shed geek podcast. Friday fun day with Sam bassador. I host Sam Byler.
Sam Byler:Thank you guys for joining us and for always supporting us and being a part of us. Lord, we love you. We come before you. We just thank you for everything that you do for us. We thank you for the freedom that we have to be able to be in a country where we can honor and glorify you and we can do what we feel like we're called to do from you, do what we feel like we're called to do from you.
Sam Byler:And, lord, I see, I see people all over the nation in the shed industry that are doing this, that are doing their business and their whatever they're doing, they're doing it to bring honor and glory to you, and we just happen to have a platform to where we can talk about it and God, the stories that we've, that we've gotten to listen to, and the people and the relationships that we've gotten to build. God, I thank you so much for those. God, I just pray a blessing on the shed industry today and over the next coming weeks, everything would be done to your honor and glory and that these businesses would be blessed and that we would continue to have a country that lets us honor and glorify you the way we do. We love you, lord, in Jesus' name Amen.
Shed Geek:Amen.
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