A 3D Tiny Home Design Tool Helps Builders Quote Faster

A customer walks onto your site dreaming about an ADU or tiny home, then leaves because the process feels unclear, risky, or impossible to price. We want to fix that gap. From Metropolis, Illinois, we’re joined by Till Buch, co-founder of Tiny Easy in Auckland, New Zealand, to talk about what happens when sheds, tiny homes, park models, and modular homes start competing for the same buyer attention and the same backyard.

We dig into how a 3D configurator changes the sales conversation. Till breaks down why tiny home shoppers need a guided experience instead of unlimited design freedom: pre-designed models that stay buildable, options that don’t overwhelm, and a step-by-step flow that mirrors a real consultative sales process. We also cover the practical outputs builders need to move a deal forward: realistic renders, walkthroughs, proposal documents, PDF plans, and material takeoffs that make it easier to hand off the concept to drafting, engineering, and local code requirements.

Then we zoom out to the tiny home movement itself. Till explains the three big demand drivers he sees across markets: first-time buyers priced out of traditional housing, older homeowners downsizing, and short-term rental operators chasing higher ROI with micro-resort style stays. We close with what’s trending in the US right now, especially park models and ADUs, and how shed businesses can add a second product line without losing focus on the core.

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INTRO 0:00

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Location Update And Listener Ways In

Cord 0:59

I am coming to you from Metropolis, Illinois. Beautiful weather here at Shed Quarters. Um we are we have just been so blessed with great weather and sunny days and even a little bit of rain for the farmers, which was much needed there for a little while. Today I am joined by Till, and I'm I will save the pronunciation of his last name until he can he can jump in and help me with it. But Till from Tiny Easy over in uh Auckland, New Zealand. Um, it's gonna be a great show. Uh 3D builder for tiny homes, something that is uh we know this, that is you know, getting closer and closer to the shed industry. The leads are overlapping. So, looking forward to this show after talking with Till last week and realizing the value that is there for the shed industry. But before we get rolling, just a couple of quick things so you know how to stay plugged in with us. As you know, as always, the shed geek phone line, aka Shannon's personal cell phone number. Give him a call or a text, 618-309-3648. Shoot us an email, INFO@ shedgeek.com. Of course, you can go to the contact form there at that same address, www.shedgeek.com. We always want to encourage everyone to be active uh with both the Shed Geek Facebook page as well as the groups uh within the industry, of course, the Shed Sales Professionals page, which we help to admin. Um we think that offers so much value. Get on there, be active, ask questions. Um, but the other all the other pages as well. Um just a great community and so much so fulfilling whenever you participate in it. Um the call-in line. So, for anyone out there who has plain community neighbors or friends, or anyone who would just like to enjoy the Shed Key, Shed Geek podcast from that uh call-in line system, that number is 330-997-3055. Uh so please spread the word on that uh and let your neighbors know. Um, we always like to uh be as accessible as possible. We've heard that there was a little bit of feedback on that call-in line. So please, if you are listening to us uh via the call-in line and there is still feedback, uh please give us a call. 618-309-3648. Let us know um that that is coming through either crystal clear, like we hope in your area, uh, or whether we still need to be troubleshooting that in particular parts uh of the country.

Meet Till Buch From Tiny Easy

Cord 3:40

So having said all of those things, whoo, lots of lots of updates today, Till. You know, um uh but if that's the extent of the work of a podcaster, then I guess uh I guess I'll live with it. But um so for all of you listening, I'd like to welcome to the show Mr. Till Buch. Am I saying that right?

Till Buch 4:06

Yes, you did it perfectly. Awesome. Thank you so much for having me on the show. I really appreciate it. And of course, you know, we already had a chat last week, and it's a pleasure to get to know you and the team. And of course, I heard already a lot about the podcast already at the time. And yeah, it's just a pleasure to be on today and have a bit of a chat and see what I can do on my end to share the knowledge that we've got from our industry, and yeah, just dive more into the shed industry, of course, on that side as well. And yeah, if there's anything that we can do to help out, fantastic. And otherwise, yeah, just really looking forward to have a chat with you.

Cord 4:35

Very good. And I you, we had so much fun last week. Uh, we are both, I think fair to say, um, you know, shed geeks, shed nerds, uh tiny home nerds, uh uh tiny structure nerds, uh, and we both have odd German last names. Uh B U C H for U and K-O-C-H for me. Uh I joke sometimes with the listeners that uh my family was good enough Germans to keep the spelling, but not the pronunciation. So, we still go with Coch, but just for this episode and just to honor you uh and the German language, I will be Cord Koch for the day. So, um just a couple German fellas talking about tiny homes uh today. Very European of us for being uh uh New Zealander and uh and an American, but um uh so till um uh tell the listeners, I know that um you know you're obviously very passionate uh you know about tiny easy, a 3D configurator for tiny homes specifically. Uh but I also know just from speaking with you uh last week that uh you seem like you've been a trailblazer and innovator for a while, um, you know, obviously passionate not only about the tiny homes and the structures and you know that that part of it, but about the software and about um the user interface and the user experience. Um and you just seem like you've got so much uh energy and vitality around these things. So, tell us, Till, like tell us about uh uh about yourself and how you have wound up in this specific industry, but maybe also what that path looked like and where does all that energy come from, my friend?

From Germany To New Zealand

Cord 6:29

Awesome.

Till Buch 6:30

Well, thank you so much. Really appreciate it. Uh of course, yeah, just to give you a bit of a background, I guess you know, where I came from and also how we got into the tiny home space and where the passion comes from. So just I mean, like you already said, I am a German myself, but we actually came to New Zealand way back in the day, and this is more of a personal background. But yeah, we came to New Zealand back when I was 13 together with my family and settled here in New Zealand, and it's an absolutely beautiful country, and love it out here, and you we just love the fact that there's so much countryside here, many natural spaces, not that many people, and of course, coming from Germany, having so many people over there, it's of course an amazing country, and love the family that we've got over there as well. But in New Zealand, it's just that more relaxed lifestyle that we absolutely love over here as well. And yeah, we've built our life over here now and for many, many years now, and really love New Zealand, love the um the country and the people out here, and yeah, really how it all started. We initially got introduced to tiny homes, I think back when I was 16, which is ages ago now. Um, but we initially had the idea of one day we wanted to build a tiny home for ourselves, or I wanted to build a tiny home for myself, and I also have a brother, or actually a twin brother, that looks exactly like me. If you're watching this on YouTube, if you know me, you already know him. And he wanted to build a tiny home as well and got into the tiny home space. And we were actually introduced to Living Big in a tiny house, um, Bryce Langston, who has a really popular YouTube channel, and we actually met up with him way back in the day when he was building his tiny home wheels, and he was showing us through the tiny home that he was building at the time. I think it was still in the framing stage then, and that really sparked our interest in the tiny home space, and then just fast forward a couple of years, we well, my brother actually started working in the tiny home industry for a tiny home builder out here in West Auckland in New Zealand, and he helped out in the workshop together with his partner, who is also now the co-founder of Tiny Easy too. Um, and so essentially, yeah, he built tiny homes, helped paint them, finish things up, um, as well as in the end draw plans for the tiny home business and really more focus on the drafting side and putting together concept plans for clients, um, putting together building plans for the builders in the workshop. So, really got into the tiny home space really organically. Again, fast forward a couple more years. He actually built his own tiny home on wheels that he lived in for a couple of years, and he actually even had a home office that he used to work in to make tiny easy. So, it's a it's a true tiny home business in a way, run from tiny homes, starting out in the tiny home space. And so essentially, where the idea for tiny easy stems from is being in the small home space, working literally hands-on with tiny home builders, we have seen that the industry itself is fairly analog still, and there's not necessarily any tools built around helping builders design, sell, quote these kind of spaces. And in the long run, we have built tiny easy to solve all of those problems. And of course, with any business, you start small and you solve one problem, and then over time you learn more and more, and you work with more customers. And now we're blessed to be working with hundreds of tiny home and ADU and modular home and even some shed businesses that also work in the tiny home space specifically. And of course, we have been learning what it is that we need to do to help solve more and more problems. And now we're at a point where we have different solutions in the space to help builders in these different parallel industries to A, get clients into the door from their website with a configurator, which is of course very well known in the shed space, but it also goes further, and we have a software to build customized homes for clients. So, it's a drag and drop system to create customized designs, which is essentially, if you're thinking about it, an IKEA kitchen planner, but specifically made for the small home space. And then it goes further into creating renders, creating walkthroughs, creating PDF plans, takeoffs, and then putting it all together in a proposal that you can then send to clients. So we kind of try to solve the entire sales journey from getting the lead into making a customized proposal and then closing the deal. And that's kind of where we have ended up over all of those years in tiny easy. And we are fortunate enough to work be working with builders all over the world now, not just in New Zealand, uh, but we're out in Australia, we're out in the US, we're out in Canada, some in Europe as well. And yeah, so it's something that we have been growing for six years now. So it's been a been a journey and a half to say the least.

Cord 11:24

Yes, absolutely. And like you said, uh the um you solve one problem, and all it all you really do is realize that there's a thousand more, right? Um, and thankfully for uh companies like yours, um, you know, companies like Shed Gate, Shed Geek in in a lot of ways, uh, and certainly for companies like you know, the partners that that we have, you know, in the industry, it's a good thing that problems keep coming up. So that's you know, absolutely, yeah. So that they can keep getting solved and uh you know continue to grow that that overall value. But you know, that's as I'm just listening to that sort of background there, you know, it strikes me that this is a very uh New Zealand story, I think, right? I mean, I mean you move over as a kid at 13, and by 16, your mind is on, I just need to build myself a tiny home and live out in the wilds, you know, live out in the wilds of New Zealand. I'll put it right there, either on the beach or maybe on the side of a side of a mountain, um, you know, whatever it might be. And um, yeah, kind of living that that life that is um more in tune, more simple, which I think that lots of people are yearning for these days, um, both uh both to unplug you know from the rigors of uh modern life, um, but also just financially, you know, these tiny home structures have really begun to replace um you know the single story ranch house. Right? I mean at this point a single story ranch, you know, on a slab in the US is gonna run you. I mean, gosh, you know, I guess it depends on driveway and you know, like cutting the curbs and like all the details, but you know, probably in the neighborhood of 200, 180,000, 200, 220,000. Um, and it has just become you know inaccessible, um, you know, particularly in the US. But, you know, by my understanding, in in large swathes of the world, um I'm not sure that that New Zealand, uh, I think that New Zealand is encapsulated in some of that as well, um, you know, by my understanding. But, you know, it really I think one of the core value propositions, you know, uh like the problem that you're solving, obviously you want the customer-facing side, um, you know, and you want that sort of lead magnet uh in the shed industry. We know uh some of us know, even though we don't provide any you know tiny homes whatsoever, don't claim to, don't nothing, but somebody's ready to turn you know that shed into a tiny home. So, we wind up uh, you know, a lot of shed sellers out there wind up getting those leads that come to their doorstep. And it's just kind of like, you know, I can sell you the shell, and like I suppose you can finish it how you'd like, and here's a contractor's name, we don't do it in a lot of cases. But you know, I think the other side, as you said, really is um much to do with the with where your brother started, it sounds like in the drafting side, in the compliance side, because one of the biggest uh challenges, I think, in uh for a lot of companies in even considering whether or not they would they would do anything in the tiny home realm. We all know that the money's out there, the margins out there, you know, obviously the unit uh sale value, you know, 10xs or 15xs, you know, on that sort of tiny home finish out. But I think what a lot of people are um um hesitant about is the compliance side. It is how many different codes, uh um, how many different um you know drafts, how many different blueprints are we going to need to submit, how much hand holding do we have to do with our clients um to make you know make them feel comfortable maybe with going and presenting that to their zoning uh officials or zoning board themselves? So maybe, you know, I mean, maybe this is diving a little deep in the weeds for the first follow-up question, but you know, how does how do how does Tiny Easy really address that sort of all of the consternation and hesitancy um that comes with you know the tiny home industry in general, not just the pretty pictures. We all like the pretty pictures. Who doesn't like a pretty picture? But how do you feel like you guys kind of deal with those the 99th problem and the 100th problem and the 101st problem, you know?

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Turning Concepts Into Buildable Plans

Till Buch 17:59

That's a great question. And I think there was a couple of really interesting things that you've just mentioned there. And of course, the tiny home movement in general, you know, how it came to be and how it is different, but also parallel to the shed industry. Of course, there's really different solutions to the problem of the housing crisis, just to kind of step back a little bit there. And from what we've seen, being in this industry similar to what you are with Shed Geek, you have a very interesting overview of the industry and the movement and the different um, I guess, approaches that builders have to solving those problems. And really, what we've seen is there's different applications that you can um have to solving those problems, and that could be ADUs, granny flats, cabins, sleep-outs, garden offices, all the way to tiny homes and park models. And that also ties into your next question, really, of the regulations. There's every single solution that has different pathways in order to be able to get that through, depending on the legislation that you're under. And it really depends, of course, on what kind of offering that you're looking to have, but specifically in the tiny home space, in the ADU space, there's specific regulations that you need to adhere to and you need to plan around specifically. And what we mainly take care of with Tiny Easy is solving the problem of understanding what is it that the client wants and being able to get a concept together quickly without having to initially engage a drafts person to be able to get something down on paper, so the builder can do that initial ideation themselves without waiting on that feedback loop essentially. So, a client comes into the door and says, Okay, I love your shades, but I don't actually want this specifically, but I would love to have, let's say, a park model or an ADU for my property, and I really like the projects that you do, and I would like to work with you. And where we come in specifically is our software helps you create a design if that is what you're looking to do. So, usually it works a little bit differently in the I'd say in the ADU in tiny home space. Most of the time you don't actually start from scratch, but you actually have a preset amount of floor plans that you have already come up with ahead of time to show, look, this is my staple range, this is what you can choose from, and then you would modify that to the client's needs. And then you can shape the idea of the client into something that is actually buildable with the experience that you have, and you're doing that quickly using the tooling that we have, so you can then visualize that in 3D, show the client, hey, this is your concept, this is what it looks like. Here's some realistic renders that go with it, so you can imagine it. Here's a walkthrough that you can experience so you can again understand it in 3D. Here's a whole proposal document that runs through our costing estimate and our process, what our business is about, essentially providing that sales experience. And then once you have something that the client is happy with and works for them on works for their specific project, that's when we work into the handoff process of taking it to that next further step once you know what is it that concept that the client actually wants, and we have different tooling to be able to provide something to the next stage. And again, because we work in so many different places in the world, every process is different. But really, what's important for us is how can we get the information out of the software. So that could be exporting 3D models, generating PDF plans, or generating a takeoff that explains the materials that are in the design. So depending on what process comes afterwards, you can then interpret that information further. And again, it really depends if you're in the granny flat ADU space or if you're in the tiny home space and what regulations you need to go to. But most of the time, if you do go through a legislation body that requires some sort of approval process, then you would take the concept, you would take the Plans that you have already created, and you would send that to a draftsperson that is working in the space or in the area that you're in that has knowledge of that space, and then can interpret that design and make it work specifically for this area and for the codes and requirements that you have. But in in the in the end, you have cut out that initial process of going back and forth with the client and only the final product that you know is something that the client wants, you then invest into the time spent, but that cuts out a time, but at the same time and also money, of course, that the client then doesn't have to spend, which would blow up the budget for the client, meaning it makes it less likely for the client to actually go through with you. So that's where we slot in and how we solve the problem when it comes to the regulations that are attached to the space. Again, there's so much more to talk about, and I'm sure we will cover some of it as well. But that is the long story short of how that works specifically for us and how we see the workflow work.

Cord 22:57

The tools are provided. You know, what is that next step in regulation? Well, it's different depending where you are, but the data is accessible in a multitude of different ways that allows you, you know, as uh as the builder or allows the client or whatever that process looks like to extrapolate that info and then carry on to that next step. I mean, that in and of itself is you know ideal for all of us out there who are you know trying to work with zoning and trying to uh you know comply um you know with some of the regulations that are out there, you know, especially as you get into uh you know suburbs and everything like that. But even you know, there are a lot of just counties, rural areas, you know, uh around the country that have fairly strenuous um you know uh zoning requirements, um even in rural areas and things like that. So um, you know, I think we had kind of spoken uh just a bit about some of the overlap between uh sheds and tiny homes and the way that they're marketed and you know the way that they're used as tools. It sounds like the way that you're describing you or your customers find that that probably using um when it when it comes to tiny homes, using it more as that consultative tool versus you know, a lot of times in in sheds, now of course the sales team will you know will pick up a shed desig n, you know, call the call the person back, but a lot of times, you know, it is if they've already chosen their colors and the roof, and you know, it's kind of um you know, it's kind of a box, right? So, you can more or less design the features you want and just kind of turn it in. Where it sounds to me like um the way that you all um advise your clients or the way that the sales process works um, you know, for tiny easy is you encourage that much more consultative, you know, let's build this together uh type of an approach. Am I right about that, Till?

Till Buch 25:15

Absolutely.

Why Tiny Homes Need Guided Sales

Till Buch 25:16

Yeah, there's simply a difference in the industries. So, from what we've seen specifically in the shed industry, what works really well is that you have different styles for shed that really determine the finish or the shape, and you know, the little touches that make it or give it that look that you want in the end, and to fit it to the house, for example, that you have fitting the colors, the finishes that go with that, picking the size, maybe picking where the doors and windows go, and really thinking about the layout as a whole, and thinking about this the structure, the size of it, and what goes into it. But because the way that sheds are designed, you are able to do most of that in a builder process that the client can do themselves. Once the client is then ready, like what you said, there's not necessarily that many changes that you need to do, and you can technically order it directly from that online experience, and that's where shed configurators and online shed configurators do a really good job because they have solved that problem perfectly. And of course, there's different um different suppliers in software that do that, and we admire that seeing that from a parallel industry, how well they have solved those problems, and specifically for the tiny home and park model in Granny Flat or ADU industry, whatever you want to call it, depending on you know what niche you're in, it's just simply a different approach. Rather than saying, look, here are different styles, pick a size, and then maybe add your windows, add your finishes. It's more about okay, can we pre-design a range of models for specific purposes that we know works well? So it's if you're thinking about it, let's say can we have five to ten different floor plans at different sizes that works? Because if you scale a floor plan, there might be some elements that you want to take over, but you it would just simply will not work at all different sizes because it needs to be purpose designed for the space that you have. And so, specifically, also going back to the regulations, what a lot of builders do is they pre-design specific floor plans with regulations in mind. So, for example, there are specific regulations where you can't go over 400 square meters because it uh not square meters, square feet. Again, I'm from New Zealand, so 400 square feet. So, for example, if you go above that in certain areas, then you trigger something, so you want to stay below that. Then the next level is 700 square feet, so you want to design some floor plans that go to that size, and then the next size up is 1200 square feet. So, you kind of have these different stages of floor plans that make sense for those different steps of regulations, and then really what we have seen from a sales process, rather than giving the client the tooling to do everything themselves, the tooling that we give clients is something to explore and dream at the start, and then lead them into a more guided sales process that a salesperson can work with them. So, putting it into the shed industry's terms, once you have designed your shed on the configurator online, you actually go into the next stages of the process that you as a builder would do, and you technically wear your salesperson's hat to then figure out the next stages of the process. So, you would, let's say, come up with a configured design that is a good starting point for the client, but then you can take it further so you can understand okay, do we want to switch around some window arrangements? Because on the side of that client, there might be a view on this side, so we need to change this, or there is a specific neighbor that's overlooking the ADU that will be built here, or the park model that will be built. So we need to change for that, or it needs to be flipped around because again, the arrangement of the design might not work with a site. Then you can go into further design specifications that go more about the interior finish as well, because that is an element and a dimension that's not necessarily existing in the shed space. So, for example, what styling do we want? What cabinetry finishes do we want? What handles? So, more picking the final finishes and making it work for the client. And in the end, a tiny home has a higher average order value than a shed, of course. So having that more hands-on high-touch sales process is what really works, unless you have, let's say, figured out a process where you've got you've got your business to a scale where you're building 500 homes per year and you've really got it down and you know exactly what the options are. At that point, you can almost have a configurator that has all of those options available. But until then, a more consultative sales process is really what works for, let's say, 99% of builders that we work with and that work in the industry in general, and you will find a big overlap from builder to builder that approaches it this way.

Cord 30:01

Yeah, you know, I think in the industry, um just about you know, every builder, um, you know, even most, you know, shed sales people, um, you know, they're being approached. Obviously, they're trying to find solutions for their customers. I think just about everyone at this point has had some level of finish out, you know, whether that be from the manufacturer like directly, you know, from the plant where those are being finished out, which you know, several companies are continuing to walk forward in that way, uh, or whether it be from local contractors who then jump in and kind of you know, either formally or informally, um, you know, are then kind of doing some of that as well. You know, I think that that most all shed industry people have tried to help find those types of solutions. Um, because as you said, whenever you just go to a strict um, you know, size, you know, and style, uh obviously most builders out there are providing um sizes and styles that that make you know good-looking tiny home structures. Um so then it's just about you know, figuring out like, you know, who actually does the work of the finish out, um, you know, how much is it? Does it make does it make financial sense to do it this way versus that way? And so, everyone is kind of um I think just there everyone is finding their way right now, right? There's an obvious gap in the market. Um, you know, I think that tiny homes have a certain cache uh in the for the same reason that a 16-year-old uh you know till uh hip kid in in Auckland um, you know, once uh once a tiny home, like it has that sociological effect that a that a manufactured home does not in in a lot of consumers' minds. It it's actually social signaling. So, it has that sort of uh psychology built into it where people want it and they get the savings. Um so I think most companies are trying to figure out how to at least tap into that, you know, even if they don't want to do the full finish out at the plant, because that would require, you know, X number of more um X number of more bays, or you'd have to change your production process from start to finish. Um But maybe if you don't mind sharing, you know, you've had some experience with some American builders now, so I'm just curious, like, you know, are these shed people who are who are you know tiptoeing and have you know found their way into tiny homes? Are these startup tiny home businesses? Like, tell us about how it's obvious that that you've had you know a success all around the world, but just to bring it home to the listeners, you know, here of the Shed Geek podcast, like tell us a little bit, as much as you can share or are comfortable sharing, you know, about some of the successes that you've had uh you know here on this side of the Pacific.

Till Buch 33:21

Yeah, absolutely.

How Shed Builders Expand Into ADUs

Till Buch 33:22

So, we are really seeing a mix when it comes to the companies that we work with, and there's definitely shed builders specifically that are also getting into the tiny home park model, ADU, granny flat space to diversify. So, we are working with quite a few of those companies just simply because there is that requirement to get a different production line in, or not necessarily production line, but a different offering that differentiates you from different businesses, right? So, tiny homes are on the rise, more space is required, people are putting spaces into their backyards, or they want to downsize, or it is a good start home. There's again so many applications for it, and the industry itself is booming. And so, it makes a lot of sense that builders that are already building structures and have the skills, they have the team, they have the craftsmanship. Okay, if we can do this, then we can also do this other side, which goes further essentially, and you're more developing uh pre pre-built homes that you can deliver, right? And the thing that we're seeing actually quite often that they end up with two different lines that they offer to customers, so they keep the sheds, which is the proven line that is working and it is getting the majority of the business, and then they can start out and develop out that tiny home offering or ADU offering to get that additional revenue to diversify. And this is really where we're seeing the success because it doesn't necessarily take a lot of upfront input to get set up in this space when it comes to a software side, for example, it's not expensive at all to get started. So it's fairly easy to say, okay, let's trial this different line, let's see if this is working, and let's see if we can get some customers into the door here. And so that is the kind of the shed builder approach where you have the dual offering, which is coming up more and more with tiny easy. And then, of course, we have the dedicated businesses that are only doing tiny homes, that are only doing ADUs, and that is happening also just as much, where they are only focusing specifically on those structures. So we might, let's say, have ADU builders in California who are building um pre-designed models, they might have five to 12 different floor plans. That it's possible actually that they have a manufacturer that develops these off-site for them. So they actually are more of a reseller and working with the client to be able to sell these ADUs and making sure that they've got leads coming in and then using a configurator to sell that, that is very successful. Or we've got the builders that are building their own range that they have designed themselves and they are building it themselves in their workshop. And just like with sheds, they have built their own production line where they have different bays to finish these homes out. And there could be a smaller businesses that might have, let's say, three to four bays, all the way up to massive businesses that are building three, four hundred, five hundred of these units a year. So it's just it really depends on what scale you're at. And then there's also the builders that are only doing, let's say, one every three months. That also totally happens, and it just really depends on the scale that they're at. So I guess to answer your question in a short manner, it's both. You have the shed builders that are pivoting and are adding to their product offering, and then there's the dedicated businesses that are seeing that it is working and they are fully focused on this industry specifically.

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The Tiny Home Movement Explained

Cord 38:21

Right. So, you had mentioned earlier that um you would you had even called it the tiny home movement, which I think is awesome whenever like you know, industries and um you know jobs and software now and all those supportive roles kind of grow up out of uh exactly that, a movement. Um and so maybe you know it might kind of help um because when you say when you say um builders, tiny home builders who are kind of like entering the market exclusive into tiny home, you know, to me it feels like you know, those must be people that are obviously coming more out of that movement, I would think. You know, uh I mean I could see where maybe a home builder would just realize that that maybe it makes sense to be a little more modular with the home builds, but you know, home builders are home builders, they want to go pour foundations, you know, like they like they like the big work, they like the neighborhoods, you know, they like the that side of it. So, I would I would imagine that more of the startup tiny home shops are coming from people, you know, sort of like the van life movement, right? It's like the it's a it's a way of living, and so then businesses spring up around it. You you're obviously it seems like you're steeped in it, you've been around it for a long time, um, you know, and now obviously work in it and interact with you know some of the biggest and best companies in it. Um so maybe just from your perspective, like you know, if you were just going to um explain what that movement is, you know, to the sort of more average shed builder, which I think is a much more practical, um, you know, obviously the roots of shed building uh you know in America goes back to yard barns, um, you know, deeply intertwined with um Amish Mennonite plain community um you know, roots there that has now grown, obviously, to uh you know to encompass um you know non-Amish non-Mennonites as well, but deep roots there, but uh certainly a practical approach, and maybe you would say that that the tiny home approach is practical as well, but it just seems a little eccentric uh you know in its in its roots as compared to I just want my shovels to be somewhere where they don't get rained on and wind up rusty.

Till Buch 41:00

Yeah, love it. Yeah, it's definitely a very interesting movement, I would say. And the key reason why it has started, and of course, there's a lot of different reasons, uh, but I would say the main reason is housing affordability is becoming an issue, and it is so tricky for someone entering the housing market, for example, buying a place for let's say putting it into New Zealand terms, in Auckland, of course, conversion rates will be a thing, but it's very common in Auckland that a house will cost a million dollars for a starter home, which is converted to over, let's say, six, seven hundred K USD. And so that is very common over here, and so that already is not affordable to a lot of people, they cannot afford the mortgages. So, the reason one, people can't afford regular housing, they want to have something that is smaller, more affordable. The good thing is when you go to the full tiny home and wheel approach, that means you can get a trailer, you build a home on top of it, and then you can rent land. Um, so there's people out there that own land, and you can put the house on it, and in the end, you have the house, the unit that you own, but you only have a small amount of rent land, which is a lot more affordable than paying a mortgage. Then once you want to move on, you can sell the unit to someone else, and that acts as a really good stepping stone to actually buy your first home because in the end you were able to reduce your expenses and you could get into the regular housing market. So, first home buyers that is one side of thing. One once uh one side of the problem, really, that that Tiny Homes are solving. The next problem is uh usually older people that are looking to downsize, so they can't maintain a full-size property and they want to live in something that they don't have to clean as much, and they can live in, and they maybe have two bedrooms and that's all they need, or maybe just one bedroom, and in the end, it's a nice house that they can happily live in on a day-to-day basis. So, tiny homes for that perspective, people are downsizing in their older ages, also very effective. Then the third part is uh Airbnb rentals and or short-term rentals, holiday stays, very popular because it is something different, it's not just a regular house, it's an experience. They're not that expensive to build or expensive to acquire because of that. The RRI is much higher than if you're building a regular house that you are renting out on a short-term perspective. So there's a lot of Airbnb businesses that are popping up that are building tiny homes, and then they're actually working together with the landowner to put the homes on the space. So they then are doing a profit sharing um arrangement where they provide the unit, the landowner gets a share of the cut, and in the end, everyone has a great experience together with the person that is staying there for the short term perspective. So it's Airbnbs, seniors downsizing, and people getting into the industry or getting into the into the home space that are first home buyers. So and if In the end, there's different applications to tiny homes. There's the tiny homes on wheels, which I would say is the most eccentric part of the movement, just simply because it is so very different, and you will find people that have it's like a re emergence, it's like a re-emergence of that uh like gypsy lifestyle.

Cord 44:19

Yes. I mean it's really pretty close, and maybe you're not supposed to say gypsy anymore. I don't know, but that's a that's a way to describe the lifestyle of moving about the countryside in wheeled caravans. Um so but you know it strikes me how in just listening to you kind of list off those three primary reasonings, just how important it is um for the sale of the tiny home itself, that these things are charming and they are novel, right? Like there is there is a discoverability. Um, you know, obviously the outside, even the one that's behind you there, you know, in your in your uh your yard there in Auckland. Um even the one that's behind you there. Um, you know, it's charming. It's good looking. Obviously, you've got the looks like board and batten and maybe some like a metal roof. I can't exactly tell.

Till Buch 45:17

Uh yeah, board and batten, metal roof, exactly. Yeah.

Cord 45:19

Yeah. And so, you know, like it's charming. It's like color matched, more or less, pretty close, and you know, it kind of matches with styles and it has the nice wood trim. So, like you get the charming features, and then I think the novelty, you know, of the discovery, uh, you know, inside of like how do you pack all of the things you need for a life, for a home, for living and relaxing and cooking and sleeping and uh having guests, and you know, like how do you pack all that into a space? And it's much the same novelty that you get, you know, out of uh a really nice RV, you know, or you know, it's like that, it's like that same type of like discoverability. But you know, in each of those scenarios, I think what it does for the customer is the fact that they're charming and the fact that they are novel gives you the social cachet, right, to do. And we just almost use the code words, you know, in in as a turn of phrase now, and we forget that they're kind of like marketing words, you know, downsizing and right sizing are like marketing terms so that you can sell people something, right? The term downsizing is a is a real estate term to sell more houses to empty nesters so that like inventory turns and prices always rise and there's always demand. And so, you know, um I think that um whether it be in the case of that sort of downsizing, whether it be in the case of the affordability itself, um you know uh it just it I think as the shed industry or new tiny home uh purveyors, right, that people who are considering, you know, adding this uh to their uh adding these tiny homes or partial build-outs or whatever that might be to your um your lineup, your the product offering that you have, I think continue to understand that the novelty and the charm is the is the social construct that allows people to feel good about this, right? That that allows people to not have any kind of shame or anything else about saying like I can't afford, you know, I cannot afford the starting price of a home, right? Or I cannot take care of the pro of the house that I have, right? Um it's uh I think that we need to keep those things in mind because I think that tiny homes are very much um, you know, they're tied to people's psychology and sociology, and like we need to feel we need to feel much better about the place where we cook and relax and watch TV and lay our heads at night. We need to feel a lot better. It's a much more emotional thing than it is to the place where the shovel doesn't get rusted, right? So like we all need to keep that in mind as we keep tiptoeing into this market, um, because I know the industry has a tendency to be very practical, very literal, very like feature-oriented, you know, very um, you know, all the all the kind of hard statistics that you can say about things. And we just need to keep in mind that so much of the ADU tiny home, you say granny flat, we say granny pod. I like granny flat better. Uh it sound again, it's more charming. Start calling them granny flats, people, right? You sound British, you sound fancy, you know. That's what we say down the New Zealand. You know, the roots, the British roots. And so uh, you know, um, like, like you know, take little take little notes um of those things that continue to build that emotional connection. Um, because as the industry continues to transition, you just have to play a slightly different note for those types of customers. And so um, I think that's a great lesson that you just covered, you know, just through your natural process of explanation uh that is so relevant.

Walkthrough Of The 3D Configurator

Cord 49:42

So um, you know, we've been on for uh probably 45 minutes. I don't know. I didn't start a timer, but I would really like for, um I know a lot of you out there will be listening uh to the audio version of the podcast, but if you don't mind, Till, if you would give us like uh 5, 10, 15 minute, like whatever you feel is valuable, you know, to the to the listeners, and just kind of give us a little bit of uh screen share where maybe even if you're listening, um you can go maybe and check out YouTube and just see uh what this looks like because as you're saying, in a lot of ways, it is almost uh an IKEA you know designer, IKEA builder. Um, it's just based on pre-existing parameters that allows you to flow through it in a much less frustrating way than putting together one of those flat packs.

Till Buch 50:34

Yeah, I love it. Absolutely, love to share, of course. And I'm aware that a lot of you that are listening are not going to be able to see this. I will just try to describe as much as possible. And of course, yeah, if you do end up watching it on YouTube, you will be seeing my screen on that side as well. So, I'm just gonna go ahead and share my screen now. Um, so I'll just quickly is it popping up on your side called? Yep, I got you. Looking good, dude. Awesome. So this is our website here, tinyeasy.com, and I will just walk you through the homepage to kind of show you the different modules and solutions that we have specifically, and then I will dive into each one of them and try to keep it as short as possible, so it is as palatable as possible for you guys. So, like I already said, we specifically operate in the tiny home space. So, we don't work in the shed space, but we work in on tiny homes on wheels, which are the trailer-based homes, modular homes, pre-fab homes that can go all the way up to 2,000 square feet that are built in a factory and shipped on site with even different parts to them and then are assembled back on the side so that you can do that as well. Um, cabins, granny flats, or granny pods, and ADUs, additional dwelling units or accessory dwelling units. So, that's all what we cover specifically. And like I said before as well, we cover different parts of the sales journey. So, we cover a getting the lead on your website. Then, once the lead is in the door, being able to design something that is customized, or if you're a newer builder, you can use the same tooling to build out your model range to think about what should your different floor plans be, creating renders for the client, creating proposals, and of course creating PDF plans, and then later on handing that all off to construction or to further planning requirements. And that could again be PDF plans, 3D model exports, and further information that you need to explain what is it that it is that you have designed for the client specifically. And so just getting into the modules here, the way Tiny Easy works is you don't have to use all of this tooling, you can use only parts of it. So, we see businesses using only the configurator on their website, or they use all of the tools, or they only use, let's say, the designer and the renders and the proposal builder. So, it really depends on what problem that you're looking to solve. So, just going into the configurator, this is similar to shared configurators, only that it's built specifically for the tiny home space. And I will show you a couple of different examples here. So, just to give you something different, I will show you a tiny home on wheels builder. This one here is actually based out in Brisbane. So, you will travel to the other side of the world to Australia. And so, these are the tiny homes that they're building here. So really nice finishes, high quality craftsmanship, and the way they work, they specifically have different offerings. So they've got tiny homes and wheels, but they also have pre-fab homes which they call tiny mansions, which are essentially bigger towns that are either on a trailer or they can be delivered directly on the site, and you would have a slab that is put there and it's popped onto the slab. So it's more of a traditional ADU approach almost. So what you'll see here, they've got different models for different purposes. So you can already see, okay, these are the different kinds of spaces that you can explore. Some of those here are pictures, some of those are renders, actually created with our systems as well. And then you can see the configurator that they have installed on their website. And I'll just quickly jump ahead to the configurator that opens up. So, this is their configurator experience, and first guides them into the journey with a welcome experience explaining what even is a configurator to the customer, because that's that might be the first time that they have seen this. Then talking about the sales journey itself. So, once you have designed something here, you will then go into the next stages of a sales process where we will talk about the design with you and see how it works and how we can make it work for your project. And then it gives the user some instructions on how to actually use the software. And so, this is what it looks like once you actually go into the configurator here. So, what you'll see it's slightly different to shed configurators. So, we'll have models instead of choosing this the style and then the size of the shed, we choose from the model or the floor plan that we want to pick. So, for example, here they've got the more traditional tiny homes on wheels, and they have Australian names. So this is a bit different to you guys, possibly. And then we've got the other bigger ADU style models that we can pick from here as well. So let's say we'll pick the bigger one here, the Soma. And this is again a full house design essentially. This one here actually comes on a trailer, and you've got a bigger porch here on the outside. And then the way it works, once you have picked the design that you want, first of all, you always see how much does it actually cost, and then you can start to configure the design. And this is something that would live on your website, and this is what the customer would experience. And the customer would go through a few different steps of pre-configured options, and so this is always custom for every single business because it depends on the floor plans that you're selling. So, you're not just necessarily creating a plug-and-back-play configurator, but the configurator is tailored to the model and how it changes depending on the floor plan. And so, we've got a modular configurator system with different steps that we can reuse to make it work specifically for each model and each business. So let's say we can start out with mirroring the design using the mirror step, then we can choose from the primary cladding or siding, and this would have, let's say, a corrugate profile with the different manufacturer colors that they offer, or you can have a trapezoid steel cladding here or steel siding on the side as well. So let's say we actually go with something lighter like this here. Then we can pick our flashings and or our trim to mix and match that. Then we can choose our feature cladding, which is the one up front here. So it is preset to a composite cladding. So if you downgrade to a corrugate, you can actually see the price giving you a discount here. Or we can go for a full seater look here. Let's say we'll pick um the lighter beachwood composite cladding. Then we can choose from our door and window color. We can choose our window type. In this case, here because it is an Australian business, we either have single glazing or double glazing, which is all that you need over there because of the mild temperatures. We can add skylights here, or then once we have picked our exterior, we can choose to configure our interior as well. So, this is kind of where it goes further, because in the end it is a home and you've got different rooms and different parts to the interior that you need to change. And usually this is going to be different colors and finishes again as well to kind of pick what is it that you like. So, let's say we'll go for this darker style here. Then we can choose our color here in the loft as well. So, that they've got a sleeping loft up here. So, this could be a carpet or again a timber. So, we'll go with the carpet here. Then we can choose from our interior wall colors, which could be a VJ paneling, or we could have plywood, or we can have plaster board. So, we'll just go with the VJ um groove panel here. Then we can have a plywood ceiling if we want, or we can keep a matching VJ panel. Then we can choose our cabinetry colors, which again, this is fully customized for every single business because every business has a different amount of offerings that they have. So, let's say you can have a um an oak cabinet here with a green top, and then we can choose from our range of countertops, which could either be a laminate or four stone counter or a uh more composite counter here, and then we can choose our handles, our sink. So, this is a more in-depth configurator, I would say. So, you can also have much more simple configurators that just show here our models, here are a couple of different options you can choose from. But this one goes into basically all possible categories that you could customize. And usually what we see, just to go back to some statistics that might be interesting for business owners, really, what we're seeing is the main use case for configurators in the small home space is engagement, getting people to interact with the model range, spending time, falling in love, and basically choosing your model range over another builder that has a different model range that may not have that interactive experience. So, we're seeing on average around 20 minutes of users spending time on a platform. So, on average, 20 minutes instead of possibly two, three minutes on the regular homepage. So, it's a lot more time spent, and also a fairly healthy conversion rate between two to eight percent, depending on the homes that you're offering and the price point that you have, it really depends on industry. But it's a good amount of people going from the configurator and then converting to actually putting in their contact details. So, the use case is A, engaging the customer and B, getting leads through it. But what we're seeing once you then actually interview the customers, it's very unlikely that you'll ever end up with a customer that has not used your configurator and has understood something that they would have otherwise not have. And it really differentiates you having a system up on your website that customers can explore.

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Cord 1:01:22

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UX Choices That Keep Designs Feasible

Cord 1:01:23

I think too, just for those listening, um, you know, I would encourage um you know, if you're able to go to YouTube uh and watch this on the uh Shed Geek Podcast uh YouTube channel, number one, subscribe. We always appreciate that. Uh, but no, but number two, um number two, um, you know, just so for you listening, um, one of the big differences here is that um this is done in this configurator is done in much more of a module style where you are walking through um from model to exterior to interior um to upgrades, and you're kind of watching yourself walk through a process as you're being asked questions about your preferences. So, you know, I think that that is um certainly a more intentional choice. Um it plays into the sales process, like you're saying. I mean, you really are almost prompting um some of the questions that you know traditionally like salespeople would actually be the ones prompting a lot of the time, and you're kind of giving people the immediate payoff. Like we all wish that we could that we could get uh this good of a lead form, right? Where someone has taken the time to give you really great answers about you know what all they want uh you know in their in their uh shed or tiny home, right? Um but you have to draw it out of them. And I think this this tool that kind of presents these things with a little bit of a narrative um while you are building and ask intentional questions does a good job of that. I also presume that you probably get away from the uh the side panel, what we see in the shed industry a lot more, which is the panelized side, because the nature of this, the intricacy of the tiny home and the different configurations uh and the rendering, I would say that you're probably also just keeping people from kind of going wild, right? Am I am I am I barking up a little bit of a right tree on just the performance of the builder itself?

Till Buch 1:03:36

Yeah, absolutely. So, what we're doing differently, and this is also more of a user experience approach and making sure that it actually works for the people that are trying this out and designing something, rather than giving them the tools to design anything, we give them a very limited amount of choices so they don't get overwhelmed, and also they don't design something that's not possible because in the end, with tiny homes, you have pre-designed something that works, and moving some things will simply break the design and it will no longer have a feasible layout. So, really, what we're doing, giving the customers a layout experience that they can go through and understand this is what it looks like, and then they can choose from options to tailor the look and feel, possibly some small amount of pre-designed layout options. But then once you do want to have further layout changes, that is something that you would do later on together with a salesperson, which is also what we have tooling for, which is more the IKEA kitchen plan approach. But essentially to the customer, we give a limited experience that they can't mess up, essentially. It's something that will work for them, and you always end up with something that is pleasant to look at and it is buildable, and you can actually price it as well.

Cord 1:04:48

Right. The expectation, right? The expectation is always aligned because they haven't just designed something that is then not technically feasible so that you then have to. I mean, we all know how that is. Gosh, you just break somebody's heart if they feel like they could have something, and then you have to tell them it's not possible, you know, like you might as well not even be selling, you know, selling tiny homes or sheds anymore because you've done, you know, told somebody something that you can't do or whatever. So um, no, that makes a lot of uh a lot of sense. Um, and just again, I would encourage um anyone listening to go and watch till actually walk through that process um because the user experience is really nice. Um it is, you know, as you choose uh each of as you make a selection in to each of the questions, you get the automatic uh um perspective change. So, you go from kind of you know looking at the primary um decision that you're making, you select that change, and then it moves you over to the next one. So, it's got a nice flow to it. It's not jarring, it's not whiplash, but it's just very simple. Subtle, it's very intentional. Uh, and again, it feels people, and this is you just got to get the vibes going a little bit on these tiny in this tiny home world because it feels charming and it feels novel. And like this is the experience that people want to have um, you know, with this with this um type of purchase that they are considering.

Trends: Park Models And ADUs

Cord 1:06:23

So um uh Till, I just want to get one more question in because for those people who are um who are considering you know kind of uh expanding, you know, uh adding this to their product line, um, you know, who are who are really thinking about this, like what is what are you seeing? Because you're obviously at the forefront. I know you've talked about the what we call park models, you know, in the U.S. they get called park models a lot. Um the tiny homes on wheels, um, as we've said, maybe just an updated version of a caravan from the whole the old world, you know, from uh you know, somewhere in the Rhineland. And uh and so you know, like what do you see as being the sort of trends um, you know, if someone were to consider like what would your advice be on like going after the things that seem to be hot or seem to be I mean look, if we're diversifying products, it's because we want to sell them. So like what are what are the things that are that are going out there if somebody just wanted to start to explore and dip their toes in to this market a little bit?

Till Buch 1:07:41

Love it. I'm going to give an it depends on some. So, I would say from a it really depends on where you are and what state you're in and what trends are popular again based on the state, but I'd say the key industries that are interesting are park models, specifically in the US, just simply because they are bigger, they have the space, you don't necessarily get restricted too much to smaller homes. So, if you're looking for more long-term stays, that's where park models are really interesting. The tiny homes on wheels, the smaller tiny homes on wheels are definitely more niche. Um, and you will find some builders that are doing really great work in it. But I would say the biggest interest is going to be in the park models, but also in the ADUs, which are either pre-built in a factory and then shipped out to the site, or some even built them directly on the spot, more as a traditional building approach that completely works as well. But I'd say that yeah, the main interest, I guess, in the more areas that you serve specifically, I would say, would be the park models and the um the granny pods and a use that I would say is most popular, just simply because it's more feasible to a bigger range of clients, while the tiny home on wheels movement is definitely getting bigger, and there's more legislations and more ruling around it that makes it easier to make something that is actually legal. And in the end, but a more traditional approach will definitely be more popular in more areas and more people can identify with that because building something in a backyard and putting in a unit that is more permanent and becomes part of the property is easier to understand than something that is possibly on wheels. But, I would say the park models are more popular for tiny home um parks, for example, or you know, more uh where you've got more of those models living together, that's more popular on that side. Um, so yeah, the more traditional approach for adding additional living space will be the ADU approach, while the park models would be the more extended version of the tiny homes that are also being are more popular. But again, it really depends on where you go, where you are bases up.

Cord 1:10:00

Yeah, and where you know, do you live in a particularly um, you know, or are there some particularly beautiful areas around you where you have these Airbnb, you know, almost uh, you know, resorts, people are calling them micro resorts. Um, you know, I don't exactly I think that I don't think that that we've uh landed on a term that like is universal at this point, but you know, yes, where they're living together. There's a bunch of these things living together, and it's a business. And as a business owner, you know, if you're investing, you then want to be able to pull these things away. Um, you know, I know for um myself and my wife, I mean, you know, we're pretty seriously considering going on and putting up like a large uh like a wedding venue, you know, 350, 400-person wedding venue. But then what needs to come along with that is um, you know, obviously you need places for people to stay. People come into town, um, you know, the bridal party, they may be there for three days depending on you know how outlandish of an event or how long of an event you're having. But, you know, and so you know, for the main venue space, you know, obviously we want to do a uh um, you know, a fixed, you know, 350, 400 people, right? Like you, you know, we're gonna going to do like a large fixed structure, but then it just makes sense as we've like worked through, you know, kind of business plan type of decisions. Why would we not go ahead and get um the a movable version of a tiny home so that if that that if that changes, if we want to add on a second ceremony site or something like that, well we can just you know easily uh you know hook up to those. And you've you know, I think you've even shown some here in your presentation and on your website, but it it's become pretty there are a lot of the designs that do a really good job of making that making that um park model, making that sort of trailer-based uh, you know, uh um home or ADU or whatever you want to call it, um, really look nice. I mean, you know, yes, it has wheels. Technically, it is, you know, on wheels it has a tongue on a trailer to pull it, but there's some pretty slick ways to kind of cover it up um that look really good. So um, Till, thank you so much, man.

How To Contact Till And Next Steps

Cord 1:12:33

Um, I feel like we need to just keep you on speed dial um as this as this uh industry keeps like marching forward uh here in the U.S. You obviously have such a history in it um and a great product here, no doubt about that, but also just a wealth of knowledge about kind of what the what the state of the movement uh and the industry uh is and a very eclectic view on that. So um thank you very much for for being a guest today. Um best way for uh best way for um you know any listeners to get in touch with you. Obviously, if you're out there, you always know you can reach out to myself or Shannon. Uh all of the different contact methods will be happy to put you in touch. But um, what's the best way just to get to you directly, Till?

Till Buch 1:13:27

Love it. Yeah, again, thank you so much for having me on as an absolute pleasure. And yeah, if I could talk for at least another three hours with you, I would say we all we both love this space, you know. But anyway, that's uh that's a whole nother topic. But yeah, just to get in touch with me is our best way to contact us would definitely be on our website, tinyeasy.com. So it's t-in-e-asy.com. And what you can do there, you can book a call with me. So there is a big book a demo button. Once you go through that, you can book a time with me and I will speak to you directly. Um, but otherwise, you can also contact me in the contact section. Um, you've got my WhatsApp number there, so you can directly call me or give me a text, and I'll be in touch with you right away there. So if you've got any questions or you just want to learn more about the industry, I'm super happy to just have a chat with you. Um so that could, yeah, be either on the phone or directly via a one-to-one call that what similar to what we're doing, really at the moment, they can just yeah, see what um where you are at and if there's anything that we can do to help on our side, of course, happy to get in touch there on that side too.

Cord 1:14:31

All right, awesome. Well, I encourage anyone um till this uh this is our second call. It's been great to get to know you, and I know that you are just as wrapped up uh, you know, in the industry, in the movement, in all things tiny home, the same way that um, you know, listeners of a niche podcast about sheds and portable buildings are wrapped up in their industry and and wanting to know everything and stay on top of trends um and be ahead and really be plugged in. So um I've had a great time getting to know you, and I would encourage the listeners to just give you a call because you know it's the kind of fellowship that is just good, it's just good to learn. It's good to have friends, um, you know, and it's good to it's good to be with people who are excited about what they're doing every day, you know, and who and who have a good time with it uh and who love it. And you know, we should all be so lucky uh to surround ourselves, you know, with that every day. So I appreciate you, Till. Um, and I would I would like to invite you back. Let's do this again in six months or a year, and just give us uh uh we'll just you can just turn into the market reporter for uh tiny easy, the international correspondent for uh for tiny homes. Uh Till Buch. Till booth. Absolute. Thank you so much for having me on. Thank you, Till. Have a good one. You too.

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