5150: Pool Industry Insanity with Andrea

On this week's Tuesday edition of Talking Pools, Andrea delivers a rapid-fire collection of pool industry myths, misconceptions, pet peeves, and hard-earned observations from the field. What started as an episode about common pool myths quickly evolved into a full-blown list of industry hot takes, terminology frustrations, safety reminders, and the kinds of misconceptions that refuse to die. 

Before diving into the chaos, Andrea discusses the brutal summer heat, challenges in the field, a commercial pool battling bug issues caused by water level problems, and announces her new merchandise store featuring designs such as "Mind Your Own Pool Business" and "I'm Your Pool Guy's Pool Guy." She also shares plans for subscriber-exclusive content and future Patreon support. 

The episode includes industry news from a Kentucky waterpark that was forced to drain and refill a lazy river following an equipment-related hazardous materials incident. Andrea also highlights an extensive list of upcoming pool, spa, aquatics, water safety, and trade events scheduled throughout late 2026 and early 2027. 

The main discussion centers on a collection of misconceptions that continue to frustrate pool professionals:

•  Why calling every chlorine product "shock" can create dangerous chemical handling situations. 
•  The difference between actual industry standards and practices simply passed down from technician to technician. 
•  What professionals really mean when they say they "keep" chemistry at a certain level. 
•  Why understanding active ingredients matters more than trusting marketing labels. 
•  The truth about "chlorine lock" and why chlorine isn't actually locked. 
•  When cyanuric acid levels become problematic and when they don't. 
•  Common misunderstandings surrounding Total Dissolved Solids (TDS). 
•  Why phosphates are not always the emergency many people make them out to be. 
•  The reality that algae outbreaks are not always the fault of the service professional. 
•  Misconceptions surrounding Virginia Graeme Baker (VGB) compliance and pool safety. 
•  Why safety should never be optional in the pool industry. 
•  Organisms that chlorine struggles to eliminate, including Cryptosporidium and Baylisascaris. 
•  Why urine in pools is not as harmless as some people believe. 
•  Limitations of salt system boost and super-chlorination modes. 
•  A candid discussion on natural swimming pools and the health concerns they raise. 

Along the way, Andrea delivers plenty of humor, blunt opinions, practical field experience, and a reminder that many pool problems are far more nuanced than social media comments often suggest. Whether you're a service technician, pool operator, builder, or simply someone who enjoys industry debates, this episode offers a refreshing look at some of the most misunderstood topics in modern pool care. 

Topics Covered

•  Pool chemistry myths 
•  Shock vs chlorine terminology 
•  Cyanuric acid misconceptions 
•  Chlorine lock explained 
•  Phosphates and algae control 
•  TDS and water replacement 
•  VGB compliance and safety 
•  Saltwater pool operation 
•  Commercial pool regulations 
•  Natural pool debate 
•  Industry standards vs tradition 
•  Waterborne illness prevention 
•  Pool service field experiences 

Sponsors

The 2026 Talking Pools Podcast Pool Industry Mentor Award is proudly supported by:

• BlueRay XL
• LaMotte Company
• Revved Up Apparel
• Aqua Comfort Water Group

These companies continue to support mentorship, education, and professional development throughout the pool and aquatics industry. 

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Transcript

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Hello. Welcome to the Talking Pools Podcast. Tuesday edition. I'm your host, Andrea. So how was everyone's week? Did you have a good one? I hope so. Everyone stayed safe in the water. I hope so. I think I got it fixed. That means I can see. Okay, so yeah, my week was it was okay. It was a little stressful. I uh it's been really hot. Like, I don't want to be like the guy that's like, oh my god, this is the hottest it's ever been, blah blah blah. But it kind of is. It's like so humid. Like this the the humidity was 68% on like Friday or something like that. It felt like it was like that every single day. So I've been trying to get started super early and then get done super early. So I actually managed to accomplish that a few days last week and I got done like some between 12 and 1 some days, which is like seems like super early. But for those of you that follow me, you noticed I might not have been posting that much. I haven't been looking at my phone in between stops because I just wanted to get done. So yeah, that's pretty much that's pretty much it how my week went. Uh my commercial pool that I love so much, they were wondering why if I could do anything about the bugs in the pool, then of course they think that the filter's not working. Like, no, it's just because the water level got a little too high, and so it didn't uh create that skimming action with the gutter. I've been having this problem with static y hair lately too. It's been driving me insane. But anyway, you're not here to hear you're not here to hear about my hair. That's a weird sentence. Okay, well, anyway, let's move on to the topic at hand if I could find the dangle outline that I wrote. Okay. So I wanted to first, before I get into the topic of the night, which should be fun, I hope, for everyone. A couple of things. So I opened up a T Public store. And for those of you that don't know, Tea Public is one of those like print-on-demand shops. So I created a bunch of the designs and uploaded them, and you can get whatever you can pick, you know, you can buy it as a t-shirt, you can get stickers, you can get mugs, uh, you can get all kinds of stuff. So I made this shirt. It says Mind Your Own Pool Business. I also made another one that says I'm your pool guy's pool guy. So yeah, check it out. It's at tpublic.com slash user slash unstabilized pool supply. You have to put dashes in between the words. You know what? I'll put it in the thing or you know, follow me on Facebook if you don't already, and you'll be able to find it. And speaking of Facebook, you can subscribe to me on Facebook and I will post, I'm gonna start posting episodes early. We'll see how that goes. If you want to um help your girl out, you can subscribe. It's a dollar a month. Maybe I'll do something fun if I get any more subscribers. And also I'm gonna start a Patreon page. So, you know, doing this podcast isn't free. I don't have any sponsors. Hint hint to anyone listening that's a wants that wants to sponsor me. Got a spot open for you. Go listen to all the other Talking Pool shows. There's a show and a host for nearly every day, I believe, except for like Sunday. Sorry, but anyway, go listen to all the other shows because everyone else is super great at what they do and super knowledgeable, and you will learn a lot from everyone. The sponsors of the 2026 Talking Pools Podcast Pool Industry Mentor Award are Blu-ray XL, Lamotte Company, Revved Up Apparel, and the Aqua Comfort Water Group. These manufacturers truly understand the importance of mentorship in the industry. Now I have a couple news stories for you, and this first one comes from Kentucky. Hold on. And this is Selena hopes to reopen Kenwood Cove by Saturday. So hopefully it's already been reopened by this at the time of me reading this. They closed the it's a water park, so they had to close this, and this is why I wanted to bring it up because they had to drain and refill the lazy river, and they weren't specific about the incident. It just says the city of Selena said Kenwood Cove will remain closed for the rest of the week following a hazardous materials incident. And then it says that there was an equipment failure, and the water in the lazy river had to be drained and refilled. This action is being taken out of an abundance of caution to protect water quality and guest safety. And so they are draining, refilling, and water balancing as quickly as possible, and then they will reopen Saturday, which was already a couple of days ago. So it says in an equipment failure, it doesn't say it's because somebody dutied in the pool. So I don't know, maybe there is a whole bunch of um chlorine gas in the water that shouldn't have been while people were in it, something like that. I don't know if you if you're if you are in the area, if you work there or whatever, hit me up, let me know. And so the second news story actually comes to us. It's not really a news story, but it comes to us from Joe Trusty, our friends at Pool Magazine. And I just wanted to list real quick the upcoming trade shows, and obviously you can go to Pool Magazine because it's a great, great industry magazine. So I'll just run through these real quick. So we have the so this is starting in September 2026, and again, like I didn't know about a lot of these, and I love a good trade show. If you guys didn't know that about me, it's a great place for you know classes, continuing education, meeting up with other pool friends, just talking about pools because we all love doing that so much, and and other and other stuff, right? It's all there's so many benefits to it. There really are. Aside from sometimes there's free food. Sometimes. So anyway, in September we have the Mastermind Summit. In October, then next in October, we have the World Water Park Association's annual symposium. October 8th to the October 10th is the Master Pools Guild in Miami Beach. We have the Skimmer Pro Summit October 16th to the 17th. That's in San Antonio. We have the Piscina and Wellness Global Aquatic Exhibition in Barcelona, in Barcelona, in November 15th to November 18th. We also have the International Pool and Spa Patio Expo November 17th and uh through the 19th, which I may try to attend. That is going to be in New Orleans this year. That's right, right before my birthday, so maybe I might make a birthday trip out of it. So then we have the Canadian Pool and Spa Conference and Expo November 30th to December 3rd in Canada. Doesn't say where, sorry, I'm not reading through all of the details of this. If you want more information, come read this article. Anyway, January 2027. Now we have the desert pool and spa show for the Arizona market. Then in January, January 12th to January 14th, you have the Mid-America Pool, Spa, and Outdoor Living Show. Didn't say where that is. January 19th to the 21st, you have the World of Concrete Festival. Then you have the Northeastern, uh, the Northeast Spa and Pool Association show, January 26th to the 28th in Atlantic City. We have the Association of Aquatic Professionals National Water Safety Conference and National Drowning Prevention Awareness Alliance. I apologize, National Drowning Prevention Alliance. This is February 6th to the February 13th. We have the Southeast Pool and Spa Show in Nashville, February 8th to February 10th. We have the Southwest Pool and Spa Sho in San Antonio. I feel like did I say that already? No, that was somewhere else. Some another one in San Antonio. Sorry, should read the article myself. February 12th to February 16th. Then we have the Carecraft Annual Meeting, February 15th to February 19th. This is in Southern California. We have the National Plasters Council annual convention, February 17th to February 19th. This is in San Antonio. Maybe just hit them all at once, right? I don't know. This seems like they're far spread far apart. Never mind. The Western Pool and Spa Show. This is February 18th to February 20th. We have the United Aqua Group Annual Conference, uh, February 27th to February. I'm sorry, February 22nd to February 27th. We have my favorite. No, sorry, this is my second favorite, the Everything Under the Sun Expo. These dates say February 26th to February 27th. The last couple of years it was in March, so actually it's if it's still in February this time this year, that is great news. We have the Backyard Pool and Spa Show in Michigan, March 18th to March 20th. We have coverings, the Global Tile and Stone Experience, April 6th to April 9th. And that is it. The the Key West Pool Show is usually in June, so I will keep you guys all uh posted on that one. Alright, so let's move on. This next news story is gonna help segue into some of the stuff I wanted to talk about. And you guys all know, well, I hope you know, you should know if you are friends with me on Facebook or if you listen to this podcast, you should know that I absolutely hate hearing when people call chlorine shock. And I don't mean I don't mean saying like I'm gonna shock the pool or you need to shock the pool. I mean I'm gonna put shock in your pool. We shouldn't be doing that. And this article backs me up, okay, and this is why I say things like that. Not it's not just I'm not being pedantic, okay. Let me get to the article. So a woman was airlifted after a pool chemical accident, which also injured a child in I wrote how down how to pronounce this, but I'm not looking at what I wrote down, so I'm gonna guess. Schuyl County in Pennsylvania in Heggins Township. So a woman was seriously injured and the child was hurt after a chemical reaction involving pool chemicals. Emergency crews were dispatched around 8 55 a.m. for reports of multiple chemical burn injuries. The woman was 76. She was mixing pool chemicals inside a five-gallon bucket when a reaction suddenly occurred. According to the police, the chemicals splashed onto the woman and a four-year-old boy who was standing nearby. The woman suffered chemical burns and respiratory distress and was flown to Lehigh Valley Hospital Cedar Crest for treatment. Authorities said she was listed in stable condition. The child was transported to Penn State Health Children's Hospital in Hershey. The uh police said the boy was treated and discharged shortly after arriving at the hospital. And then fire companies went to decontaminate the scene. Now it doesn't say which chemicals were mixed. I'm going to go ahead and bet that it was dichlor and calhypo because what are those both called? Shock. Shocking. It's shocking. It's gonna shock you that they're both called shock. And someone's gonna be like, oh, they're both the same chemical because they have the same word on them. Boom, you know, a couple minutes later, it's drives me insane, is what it is, is what it does. Well, you know what? I haven't even said what I plan to talk about today. And this is gonna be a real sh a real short episode, I think. And I started off by calling it myths, some some myths that are your not your common list. You know, I'm not like gonna tell you about magic erasers and copper pipes and stuff, although that is a good list. But then I kind of realized that this is more like stuff that pisses me off. We could call it like Andrea's hot take list. I mean, there are a couple of myths, or at least like people keep doing mythical things to pools. So I don't know. Okay, let's just let's just get into it. So my my first my first hot take, my first pet peeve is so like I said, this was myths, but it turned into not myths. But it I guess it's a myth that chlorine is called shock. I just explained why. All right, because people are gonna mix them, people are gonna go to chemical uh pool stores and buy the bags of shock that because they just say shock, all right? And then or they'll think like I have one in the back, I've used it before, you know, or the residue in the bucket, even, right? It should not be a general catch-all term for dry chlorine, because there's three different types. Well, four if you want to count bromine. And also, I I've heard people here we use liquid chlorine. People here will call liquid chlorine shock. So it's not just dry chlorine, it's not just calhypo, and you can technically shock with liquid chlorine. So just please, just be like, just be like chlor, it's chlorine. You don't even have to be like, I'm gonna like the like like I said earlier, or not earlier, but in a different episode. You don't have to tell the customer the ingredient, you know, you don't have to say I'm gonna use dichlor. You could say I'm gonna use chlorine. I'm going to shock the pool. Anyway, because there's also the non-chlorine shock, right? So just just call it by the ingredient, because people don't read the ingredients. That's why they just read shock and just go, right? And mix it and get sent to the moon. That was number one. Number two, when people say that something is an industry standard, it probably isn't, right? It's probably just them telling you or me in my comments that their boss who's been doing it since the 90s or the 80s, their uncle brother has been doing it for 25 years and that's how they did it, and whoever, you know, taught them this and taught them this way, and this is why. Listen, unless it's in the CPO book or unless it's is unless it's a taught in a class that you paid for. I mean, I guess some of the chemical manufacturers have free classes, but whatever. It's not an industry standard if it's just been passed down from pool guy to pool guy, right? Do do the fact checking, look into it, ask somebody. I had somebody tell me that Calhypo was the industry standard, and it's I mean, it's not. It depends on the pool and it depends on what's available. It's not the industry standard, it's your standard, or it's your uncle boss's standard. I just like saying uncle boss. I'm sorry. But anyway, that's why I think maybe I'll do an episode on this in the future, but that's why I think that CPO class memberships, you know, to the organizations, to the industry organizations, I believe that that's why those are important. One of the reasons. Another one, this one might ruffle some tabs, some of y'all's tabs and y'all's buckets. People who say that they keep their chemical at a certain level. So, like, if you see people commenting or you hear hear people being like, oh, I always keep my calcium at whatever, or I always keep my pH at 7.4. I always keep my alkalinity at 80. I'm gonna go ahead and say no, you don't. And the reason why is because it's probably not at that level once you get there. And if it is, I mean, congratulations, that amazing, that's amazing. I'm not saying that never happens. But usually, and I and I'm saying this for the people that take that quite literally, because I've had people ask me, like, is your is your pH really 776 every time you go? You said you keep it at 7.6. Like, no, what I meant was, and I'm not speaking for everybody, but what I meant was I adjust it to 7.6 when I get there, if it's not already 7.6. And even if it is 7.6, I'm gonna add a little bit of acid. So it's 7.6 when I come back next week. So if you hear people saying things like that and you're struggling because you think that it should be whatever level that you keep it, air quotes, keep it at, and you're wondering why it's not, it's because it rarely is the level that you air quotes keep it at once you get there. And that's why we exist as pool maintenance professionals because we balance the chemistry weekly unless you're lucky enough to go there daily. And by lucky enough, I mean hopefully you're lucky enough to be getting paid to go every day. The next one is I probably should have kept this up underneath the first one, because it has to do with chemicals and and uh chemical names. I hear a lot of people saying that this chemical is better than that chemical, and I'm talking about like specialty chemicals, not not specifically chlorine. For example, sodium bromide. I saw someone post something about how they were using one type of algebra and they used the brand name for it, which I can't remember what they said exactly, and then someone else commented, No, this is better. And it was the same exact chemical name. With the same like ingredients and everything. It wasn't even like any different percentage or any inert ingredients or anything like that. So take the time to learn what you're putting in the pool, you know? There's like a hundred different names for sodium bromide, and they all have the word yellow in them. And there's the one that's called something with the word yellow in it, and it's not sodium bromide. So just be careful and read the ingredients. Pretend it's your burrito. Actually, don't. Burritos have weird ingredients sometimes if they're frozen. Anyway, moving on. One of my favorites that I see people saying is chlorine lock. This is another one of our misused, misused, and misunderstood terms that just need to go. Because the chlorine is not locked, there's no chain around it, there's no padlock, it's not in a box, it's not in the closet, and the chlorine is still working. That's another one that I've heard. Oh, the chlorine, the chlorine won't work. The chlorine will absolutely still work, just like it works when you have the stabilizer or cyanuric acid at the correct level. It still works, it's still there. The problem is that the higher the cyanuric acid, the higher the free chlorine needs to be, and then we start getting into unsafe levels of free chlorine, and that's when it's a problem, and that's when you want to start taking steps to lower the cyanuric acid because you can't keep a chlorine level at 15 safely in a commercial pool legally. So is it locked? No. Will it still work? Yes. Is it desirable? Not necessarily. Another thing about cyaneric acid is people think you need to freak out and drain if it's at a hundred or over a hundred. And I'm not saying again, I'm not saying that it's not desirable or that it won't become an issue. A hundred parts per million of cyaneric acid requires seven and a half parts per million of free chlorine. That's still within the acceptable range. There really is no is technically no maximum level. It's all set by your local health codes for commercial pools. For residential pools, you know, it's the wild, wild west out here sometimes. Next up is TDS or total dissolved solids. Okay, calm down. Total dissolved solids. Anyway, uh the myth here is that people think they need to replace water when the total dissolved solids reaches 1500 parts per million. This is not true. This is a misunderstanding. And don't forget that salt is total dissolved solids, so you have to account for that. The actual maximum level for total dissolved solids is 1500 parts per million over the starting TDS level. I talked about this in In a little bit more depth in previous episodes. But unless you were there when the pool was filled and you took a reading of the total dissolved solids, there's not really any way for you to know that number. And you know, here in Florida, we have so much rain, and the water gets replaced very frequently. So it's not a huge, a super huge issue for us down here. But I can see in other areas where there's very little water, very little rain, it's an issue and it builds up. So just keep that in mind. Next time you drain a pool because it had high CYA, check the TDS and then keep track of that level after that. Next up is phosphates, or as I like to say, phosph. Anyway, the myth here is that the phosphates really aren't a problem until they're a problem. And just like with TDS and a high stabilizer, it's not something that you need to freak out and try to treat and try to remove unless it's causing you a problem. If you are having algae growth and you have acceptable chlorine levels, if you have a salt system, because phosphates are bad for salt cells, lower them, bitches, get them out. But if you have a clear pool and you have no problems holding chlorine, you don't need to remove every single phosphate. You'll be okay. I used to do phosphate treatments, like whole phosphate. I would do like a whole bottle of phosphate remover for like 500 parts per billion of phosphates. And then I got tired of having to vacuum to waste and clean the filter for all that nonsense when my pool wasn't even giving me problems. So that's my experience that I'm sharing with you. Next, the next one, and this one really got me on a couple of my Facebook posts recently. And I'm sorry you guys have to deal with my social media, but you know, it's a thing that happens in real life, too, is why I bring it up. Algae is not always the pool guy's fault. Okay? It's just not. It's not always someone doing a shitty job. It's not always the filter was dirty, it's not always the CYA is high. It's not always because the phosphates are. There's so many different reasons why a pool has or had algae. I had several pools that got algae because the power was not on for one reason or another. One customer turned it off themselves, someone else had the time tripper was loose and it fell off, and then the pool was on uh was only coming on for like an hour a day. So if you see somebody posting a green pool, don't immediately assume that it's because they fucked up somehow and did some kind of shitty job. That also comes back to my Airbnb post that I was talking about. The weather does affect pools and a lot and lots of people using the pool affects the pools. That's why we have to put chlorine in it, because people cause the chlorine to become used up. So don't always don't don't go assuming things. You know what happens when we do that. Also, not everybody has the ability to choose the pools that they service. So just because you see somebody struggling with a piece of crap pool doesn't mean they're choosing to do that. Next up, and this is a reiteration from one of my previous episodes, one of my recent previous episodes, because it's come up again, it always does. This is why I talk about these things. VGB compliance is not only about drain covers or dual drains. It's the entire hydraulic system, as well as all suction outlet covers. This is main drains, this is vacuum lines, this is any type of any suction side outlet, any and also to submerged. If it is submerged in the water, fully submerged suction outlet, that includes dedicated vacuum lines, which are actually not allowed in commercial pools any longer. I don't even think they're allowed when you build residential pools anymore, but I would have to check on that one. I'm not 100% sure on that one. I am 100% sure that they are not allowed in commercial pools because they now must supply one of those pumps and filters on the cart thingies, like what Randy makes. Those are required to be supplied now at commercial pools in Florida. I never speak for any other health department code unless I know it, and then I'll specify. But anyway, so yeah, VGB is not just drain covers, it's not just dual drains, it does cover vacuum lines. It's if it's under the water and if it sucks, it must be compliant. It's got to have a drain cover, it's got to have anti-entrapment devices, it has to have all of that. That is VGB. It's got to have the safety vacuum release system, it could have a suction limiting device. I'm I can't rattle them off at the top of my head because it's a lot of big words. The uh the gravity-fed systems, even though those technically are still pretty dangerous because you can still get stuck to the drain even with gravity fed. And while I'm on that subject, safety is everyone's fucking responsibility in this industry. All right? Don't come at me telling me you don't care about safety. Because I'll just I'll you know what? I'm just gonna block you. Keep your customers safe, please. Otherwise, what are we doing? What are we even doing? Who's gonna swim in the pool if we don't care about how safe any of them are? Anyway. Another la we're getting down to the end here, surprisingly. I could go on much longer than this. Chlorine does not kill everything, it's very good at killing a lot of things, but it does not kill everything. Cryptosporidium is very hard to kill. That's why you have to raise the chlorine level to what? 20, and you have to let it go for 12 and a half hours, 12.75 hours. I'm not taking my test right now. And another chlorine-resistant baddie, Bayliss Baylis Oscaris. I had to write down how to say that and I still messed it up. Baylus oscaris is the round worm found in raccoon feces. The egg is impervious to chlorine. Chlorine will not penetrate this egg. However, it is large enough to be picked up by the filter media, and so that is the only way to make sure the pool is safe because you don't want people swallowing this egg. They will get the roundworm. It is transferable to humans. Speaking of chlorine not killing everything, I've seen people, I've seen nurses specifically comment things like this. Pea is sterile, so it's okay for me to pee in the pool. And no, nurse Becky, it is not okay for you to pee in the pool. Now, pea may be sterile, but pea contains what? Ammonia. And ammonia plus chlorine does what? Creates combined chlorine. And combined chlorine does what? Reduces free chlorine, which is increases the risk of water-related illnesses due to other contaminants such as fecal matter. So by peeing in the pool, you are reducing the sanitizer necessary to disinfect the poopy. Okay, my dog agrees with me, as she usually does. That's actually her whining because she wants to come inside and be on the podcast and she cannot. She cannot. Okay. Next one. The boost slash superchlorinate setting on a salt system is sufficient for removing combined chlorine. It is in some cases. It is not in other cases where the combined chlorine level has exceeded the system's capacity to oxidize the combined chlorine. If it becomes overloaded, it cannot keep up, is what I'm trying to say. So it does work to an extent, but it does not after a certain point. So if you have a lot of bathers, a lot of rain, things like that, it will not keep up, and you will need to add liquid or not liquid, but you'll need to add, you'll need to supplement the chlorine. And now for the last two, and I just bring these up because I saw Rudy was in a debate, which is always fun. If you guys want to hear a really fun episode, go back a couple it's gonna be like you're gonna have to go back like two years probably, and it's the natural natural pools episode. It'll be easy to find, trust me. I think the guy's name was Don. I don't know, but I was basically like a referee because the way the way that Rudy fought with this guy, and not to say that like Rudy was out of line or anything like that, because this guy was definitely fairly aggressive. Let me see if I can find the episode for you. I think it may be called Ways You Are Lied To About Natural Pools. You have to go back to like 2021. I just went on you can just search Talking Pools, Natural Pools, and it will come up. Here it is. Nope, it's this one. That's not it. This is from December December 2nd, 2025. Feels like it was longer ago than that. It's called Natural Pools, Healthier or Just Trendier. And Alan, his name is Alan Schnack. Go listen, go listen to him and Rudy. Duke it out. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. Anyway, the comments that I've received on a couple of pools of with algae that I posted, or I've actually commented, like, oh, you can't swim in the pool with algae. And people will come at me and say, Well, I swim in a lake, I swim in a pond, I swim in a natural pool, blah, blah, blah, blah. And all I have to say to that is ew. Okay, ew. That is gross. I'm not the pool police. If you want to swim in it, go ahead. But don't say I didn't warn you about flesh-eating virus or flesh-eating amoebas or any of that other stuff. And so that's it. The last one I had was about natural pools, but I just decided to lump them into the same thing because natural pools gross me out too because I don't know of any plants that can get rid of crypto, sporidium, and stuff like that. Just the point Rudy was making. But anyway, if you disagree with me, please let me know. You like, follow, share, comment, leave a review, all of those things. I really appreciate appreciate you guys listening. You can email me directly at Andrea.talkingpools at gmail.com and you can email Rudy at talkingpools at gmail.com. And so that's it. I hope you guys liked my list. Let me know if there's anything I should add to it or if you want to fight me about any of it. I hope you guys have a great day. I hope you guys have a great night and a great rest of the week. I don't know what I just said. I think I said denight because I was try I just like I'm tired. So anyway, that's it. Bye. See you next Tuesday.