Cool or LAME? | The Fitness Industry has lost it's mind

Fitness advice used to sound like coaching. Now it sounds like a marketing script, filled with buzzwords, identities, and “top 5” rules designed to scare you into buying something. We’re back ON because we’re tired of watching common sense get buried under algorithm-friendly nonsense, and we’d rather give you honest takes from years on the gym floor than sell you another shiny shortcut.

We play a simple game: cool or lame. Zone 2 cardio, the carnivore diet, creatine in everything, wearable fitness trackers, peptides, hybrid athlete culture, influencer mobility drills, barefoot shoes, gut health influencers, protein coffee, fitness franchises, AI workout programming, longevity bros, and teen strength training all get put on the table. The theme isn’t “everything is bad” or “everything is amazing.” It’s context. What are you actually trying to do: lose fat, build strength, improve performance, recover better, or just feel good in your body without making fitness your whole personality?

Along the way, we share practical takeaways you can apply immediately: why most people don’t truly understand training intensity, why creatine monohydrate is still undefeated, why recovery data can help even when it’s imperfect, why peptides aren’t a first step, and why teens benefit massively from properly coached strength and conditioning. We also get blunt about franchise gym models and AI plans that remove the two things most people need most: real coaching and real effort.

If you want fewer fads and better results, hit play. Then subscribe, share this with a friend who’s drowning in fitness trends, and leave us a review. What trend do you want us to put on trial next?

Transcript

We’re Back And Reintroducing Ourselves

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Want one? He handed us notes yesterday.

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Yeah. Yours was on the desk, you left it there to die.

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I I I repurposed. Look at I have notes on my notes. Whoa. Four pages of notes. I didn't want to be not prepared.

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Can't be letting people know we have notes.

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Alright. We're back. You guys hear me okay? Not too buzzy or anything?

SPEAKER_00 0:25

So buzzy.

SPEAKER_02 0:26

Alright. Welcome back, guys, to the show, the Gains in Function Show. We've been gone for a super long time. Uh so with that being said, let's just reintroduce ourselves. Who are we? What do we do? And why are we doing a podcast when everyone and their mother has a podcast? So starting to my left, I'll let her introduce hers himself to my right.

SPEAKER_00 0:49

Your left is a boy, your right's a girl.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

So I'm confused. I'll start to my right. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 0:55

You need to hold up your L's and your R's with your fingers. What what do you want to have in this introduction?

SPEAKER_02 1:00

I don't know. Tell everybody who you are and why they should listen to you.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

Why they should listen to me. My name is Kim. I've been coaching and doing fitness related things for over 15 years. So that means I'm really old. The oldest one here, basically. No, I'm the youngest one here. Yeah, I've been in the fitness space for that long. Don't say fitness space. That's why I said it.

SPEAKER_03 1:24

Edit it.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

I have a degree in this stuff, but really where I've learned most of it is being on the floor doing thousands and thousands of reps of talking to people like you. Not you, Devin, but you the listener. And watching them move. And reading tons and tons and tons of articles.

SPEAKER_03 1:43

She's a reader. Are you a read- you're not a reader? No, you're a reader. I'm a listener and a watcher. We all learn in different ways we learn in different ways. A book is tough. But I'm Auggy, aka Healthy Dad Fit. I've been in this uh in this world for I'm gonna say over ten years. Uh I have a degree from the the streets of fitness. The most valuable degree. I watch, I listen, I absorb, and I I do with it what I want and spit it out for everyone else.

SPEAKER_02 2:18

Cool. Uh I'm Devin. I don't have a degree. I have no degrees. I have no certifications.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

You don't have a degree in anything?

SPEAKER_02 2:26

I have a degree in the streets. I'm gonna steal that from now on. That's pretty good. Um I have been doing this for almost 20 years. I started when I was no more than 20 years, started when I was 18 selling memberships and protein bars at 24 Hour Fitness. Um But I don't know that I could that anybody could learn what you can learn on the streets. Let's just go with that, than you can in a classroom. So I think that's kind of where all of us bring value because you have a degree, Augie and I are from the streets. I have the streets and a degree. That's true. That is true. She's uh overqualified. Um but I think that one of the main reasons I wanted to bring this podcast back and just start yapping about fitness again is because I don't know if I've noticed it more lately because of algorithm type stuff, but it seems like people in fitness, they love to use the word they've been in the fitness space. Uh it just seems like people are going insane, and there's like so much stupidity and craziness and uh just uh jargon and tomfoolery.

SPEAKER_03 3:29

I think they overuse the word space. I mean, if I just go to the gym, I'm in the space. But are you no, you're not in the space?

SPEAKER_00 3:37

Is there is there any other industry that uses the word space? Like, I don't understand where it came from. Like, would you say you're in the fashion space? No. Maybe would you?

SPEAKER_03 3:46

I think but no fashion's industry. Yeah, but like, so why like

Why Fitness Talk Feels Broken

SPEAKER_03 3:50

yeah, I mean, I've been in corporate America, I've never used the term space, but space is kind of a newer word.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

Like you're not in the music space.

SPEAKER_02 3:55

So for the listeners, I think what what we're talking about is like you could open up your Instagram and look up, you know, any fitness influencer, and for whatever reason, the common theme there is they want to tell you how long they've been in the fitness space. And it's usually one to three years, which is kind of funny. I find the common which is great. You know, I've everybody I was once in the fitness space for one to three years. Um, but I'll speak for all of us. What we didn't do in the one to three years is start a business.

SPEAKER_00 4:21

Say you know more than everyone else.

SPEAKER_02 4:23

Yes, that too. Uh no, in that one to three years, you need to be working and learning and volunteering and interning and cleaning toilets and selling protein bars. So, anyway, we're we're kind of back at this podcast thing because we want to just bring some common sense back into the fitness space. Uh, and selfishly, I feel like the three of us here are more qualified than the average.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

Well, I hope so because they hired us.

SPEAKER_02 4:52

Yeah, yeah. Well, we've all been doing it a long time, so anyway, anything to add to that before we kind of roll through this and just talk?

SPEAKER_03 4:59

Yeah, our views on this stuff is just because we're not I'm not trying to sell you my social media page or a product, right? Good point. We're just giving you our our street reaction to everything. Yeah. Which makes it way more valuable than if I polished it up and made a monetize like something a goofy video about it, yeah, and then said subscribe below.

SPEAKER_02 5:20

Um, so I think the the the thing I wanted to, I don't know, just mess around with is kind of made a list of all of the buzzwords and the things that you might see online, social media or even YouTube, and get your guys' opinions on it. So kind of where I wanted to go with this is let's just go trend by trend, buzz by buzz, and we'll sort of play a little bit of the game. And I want you guys, I'll include myself in this too, to give me sort of a left or right answer, right? Is it cool or is this lame? But at the same time, you have to also defend it, back it up, not just, you know, I I'm guilty of this. Like I'll just trash everything I think is done without explaining why, even though I might have a while. I don't want to explain it, but I think we should explain it that way. People know uh, you know, sort of where we're coming from. Does that sound good?

SPEAKER_01 6:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:07

Alright, so let's go, let's go trend by trend. Again, we have two options. You can say it's cool, you can say it's lame, but you gotta defend it either way. So let's start with sort of a basic one that we see all the time, especially with all this hybrid high rock stuff going out there. Zone two cardio. We're gonna fight over some of these again.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

I mean, this might be the whole podcast. I could talk for an hour about it.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

Listen, I'm gonna watch that clock right there. Since we are performance, when I was taking my notes, I was like, we're gonna be here for four hours. There's no way. We're performance junkies, so let's put a clock on it. I'll give you a minute, I'll give you one minute. Uh let's go, ladies first here. So Kim Zone 2 cardio,

The Cool Or Lame Rules

SPEAKER_02 6:40

cool or lame?

SPEAKER_00 6:41

It depends who you are, and it depends if you even know what it is. Because first of all, zone two is not even a heart rate, not to blow your mind.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

Explain to people what zone two is. I know you know, I just want them to know.

SPEAKER_00 6:50

So zone two is basically to put it as simply as possible, it's kind of the highest level that your body is still burning fat instead of carbs. And I don't mean like, oh yeah, you're burning more fat and you'll get skinnier. I mean it's just your body's process of how it's getting fuel. So if you're an endurance athlete and you're I hate to even use the word athlete

Zone Two Cardio Gets Overhyped

SPEAKER_00 7:10

because are you an athlete? I don't know. Um but if you're training for something very long and you are prepping for an endurance event, it's probably beneficial to your training if you're doing it right. If you are working out a lot and trying to do it while watching friends and you probably should be hanging out with your kid instead. Um it's just not a useful I don't think it's useful for your time. There's so many more beneficial things you can do to just get fit and move on with your life.

SPEAKER_02 7:35

So it's you're on the fence there, cool and lame, depending on who you are.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:38

Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_03 7:39

What would you say is just uh it's not um aerobic yet, right? An aerobic gets in the carbs, or is that or do we hit fast?

SPEAKER_00 7:47

I don't want to be wrong, and some scientists is gonna be smarter than me. I'm not sure of the words, but yeah, once you it's like the very end borderline, and really it can help you with recovery and uh your lactate buffering, your lactic acid buffering is like I'm gonna bomb.

SPEAKER_03 8:00

So you can't go too hard because then you're past zone two. You can't go too light because you're just like if I was to go for a walk, I don't hit zone two. I don't even hit zone one most of the time, right?

SPEAKER_00 8:12

And it I mean it depends who you are and where you're walking and how hot.

SPEAKER_03 8:14

I guess if it's a pill if I'm carrying something.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

It's like a lot of people do it, I think, running, and most people can't run in zone two.

SPEAKER_03 8:20

The second I'm running, I'm at threshold four to five.

SPEAKER_00 8:23

I mean, but seriously, no 100%.

SPEAKER_03 8:25

Nine minute mile for me is like this is kind of why I'm like, we could talk about this forever. Okay, so so the point is that like I think a lot of people I think it's it's lame, but because no one understands it.

SPEAKER_00 8:35

Yes, I guess I would be agree.

SPEAKER_03 8:37

It's definitely like there's mitochondria, right? It builds, there's a whole bunch of things it does, but you have to do it right. Most people don't know how to do it right, and it takes forever, and you probably are gonna get bored doing it and then stop doing it.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

And please don't think it's fat burning because if you're just trying to lose fat, like the you want to be skinnier and lose fat, you are better off doing something higher intensity every day because you're gonna burn way more. It's like, do you want to lose three cents worth of fat or do you want to lose five dollars a car?

SPEAKER_03 9:01

That's part of where my lame came from, is because it takes forever and it you have to do it right, but high intensity doesn't take as long and it's better. Yeah, so it's lame, I I guess in the end.

SPEAKER_02 9:12

I think it's lame unless, like you guys said, you understand it, and you're an actual athlete that rec where your sport requires you to operate at a certain heart rate for an extended period of time.

SPEAKER_03 9:24

Training training slow makes you better at doing things slow.

SPEAKER_02 9:27

Correct, yeah. The only reason I might think this is cool, and this is it for like a higher-level athlete who understands wattage and heart rate. Let's take like a long distance tri athlete, for example. It's primarily only tapping into your slow twitch muscle fibers. I think that's cool because training those muscle fibers help you recover more. But again, if you're not a high-level athlete, you're not doing an Iron Man or something long like that. Why do you need to quote unquote recover more at that level? Your body can recover just fine. So I I think it's overhyped and I think people misrepresent it, especially online.

SPEAKER_03 10:01

So go for a walk, call it a walk, don't call it zone two.

SPEAKER_02 10:04

If I had to pick one, I would say it's lame. Just just train hard. For sure. Yeah. Because most people that are training hard aren't actually training hard. They're probably in zone two and they don't know it.

SPEAKER_03 10:15

If you were to go down the road of high-intensity work, the benefits, you wouldn't even talk about zone two ever again.

SPEAKER_02 10:20

Yep. Alright, next one. Uh I don't know how I feel about this one, but I it was I saw this on YouTube, so I wrote it down. Carnivore diet. I feel about everything.

SPEAKER_00 10:28

How do you feel, Augie?

SPEAKER_02 10:29

Alright, we'll go Augie first and carnivore diet.

SPEAKER_03 10:31

I love the carnivore diet. First of all, you can't, it's hard to maintain forever, right? But if you were to lock in and do a carnivore diet for a period of time, you'd find out all the things that you were doing wrong in your diet. You're probably gonna get enough protein, finally, you're gonna get some healthy fats, you're not gonna overeat bad carbs, and you're gonna find inflammation, things like that go down. There is a point to it where it's all it's hard to maintain forever.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

Yeah, and you're not gonna do an Iron Man on it.

SPEAKER_03 11:02

You're not gonna do an Iron Man. Because when you want to perform, that's not the diet that's gonna help you perform. But if you told me like you were having a problem losing, I'd rather you do carnivore diet than shots. Yeah, fair enough. That's my two

Carnivore Diet And What It Fixes

SPEAKER_03 11:15

sides. Um I'm over with cool.

SPEAKER_00 11:17

Yeah, I think for the same reasons. I think it's cool and I think it's useful if you are I don't know what's like a positive way we can just keep calling the regular person. Like you're just being alive and trying to be healthy, and maybe you're trying to clean up your best you can. Yeah, you're doing the best you can and you're super busy. It helps you do exactly what he said. Maybe figure out like you didn't realize you were eating 2,000 calories of like carbs a day.

SPEAKER_03 11:38

You're gonna feel great. Yeah. You're by doing it.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

Again, you're not gonna feel great if you're trying to do a timed mile trial or something, but you'll feel great just going to work and I like it.

SPEAKER_02 11:47

Uh I like it a lot for what you say the inflammation thing. There's a lot of science that backs up, especially if you have a sort of a lot of like chronic problems.

SPEAKER_03 11:55

I mean, subconsciously, we're all doing that right here. Like we try to eat as much protein as possible. Totally.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

We eat carbs too. One thing that I've noticed that helps me, and I don't I'm not great at this every day of the week, but uh I would say more than half of the week, I will try to end like oh my dinner meal, my last meal of the day is gonna be mostly just meat. Meat and bananas, that's my back off like you know, I love tortillas and toasts and all stuff like that. But you know, if you had to just throw in a carnivore meal to close out your day, I think I sleep better. 100%. I sleep way better. I wake up feeling a little bit leaner, more energy. Uh yeah, you don't want your body processing all kinds of high glycemic carbs and stuff while you're trying to sleep. So I think it's cool. It's cool, especially if you don't train super hard and you're trying to figure out you know how to get rid of some bloating, some inflammation, give it a shot.

SPEAKER_00 12:43

Like it's kind of the excuse me, underlying point of all this is kind of gonna be what are you trying to do? Yeah, like, and that's what matters in physical. What people don't know though. Well, I think that's why we get so many polarizing things of like you have to do carnivore, or you have to do this, or you have to do that, or you need to do zone two, because maybe you're like, Like you're wasting your time in a gym if you're not doing paleo, right?

SPEAKER_03 13:02

That's not true.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

Yeah, but it's like, but what are like whoever's speaking that little reel is an Iron Man, whoever's speaking that reel is a desk jockey, or whoever like you're getting all these voices.

SPEAKER_03 13:12

Diets are fluid too, people get right, you give them a word, yeah. You're like, oh my god, I gotta do it perfectly. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 13:19

So I think we're gonna lean on the side of cool for carnivore. Super cool. Alright, next one. I like this one. Creatine in everything. I will start on this one. Why not? Yes, I think it's cool. I think if you're two years old, if you're 20, if you're 200 years old, creatine.

SPEAKER_03 13:37

If you don't think it's cool, you don't know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 13:38

Yeah, it's not gonna make you big, it's not a steroid. Uh there's no negative side effects, there are only positive side effects.

SPEAKER_03 13:47

And every single day there's more research that it's better for you than we had thought before. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

And and and for whatever reason, in the last, I would say like last nine months, the research also points that you can do more than what the general five grams has been prescribed on every creatine supplement package in the world. Triple it. Cool.

SPEAKER_03 14:08

And I think you're wording on it, you said creatine in everything.

Creatine Hype Versus Real Benefits

SPEAKER_03 14:13

That's lame. That they're putting it in gummies, it's creatine in this, it's and people aren't taking one enough. God knows what what if they're getting enough or what kind it is. But if it's so easy to take two scoops, I just went with the two scoops of uh creatine monohydrate and anything you want and just drink it.

SPEAKER_02 14:33

That's why I remember I put in everything because I just saw uh there's this fitness guy on YouTube, and I don't know, he could be credible, it could not be, but he did spend out of his own pocket a bunch of money to get the top ten creatine gummies. So if you he went on uh Google or Amazon and and the top ten creatine gummy brands, he bought those. He sent them to a third-party lab, paid his own money to have them tested, and I want to say eight out of the ten of them had almost zero grams of creatine. I wish I knew the brand of the good one. There was one that had more than five grams per gummy, but nonetheless, if you are out there chewing creatine gummies, uh it's not your fault, but stop doing it because they're fake.

SPEAKER_03 15:11

Yeah, and and one of the things on creatine, right, I think we all talk about it all the time, but you have to take enough of it. So right, if you're taking that single scoop, right, it goes to your it goes in stages, it goes to your muscles until they're full, it goes to your bones, and then it goes to your brain. And you need it to get to your brain. It helps with cognitive function, all those things. You can't just take five grams a day and get there.

SPEAKER_02 15:33

I've heard too. Have you uh any thoughts on like there's some studies that say let's say you have a crap night of sleep, you gotta get up early again the next day. If you like take almost three to four times the dose at one point, it'll kind of buffer your fatigue.

SPEAKER_03 15:47

I think because I was up late last night. Yeah. Um, but even if you take it before, you know tomorrow's gonna be bad. You can take it tonight before. Yeah, um, but there's ways to to to use it. But the it's five is the old fashioned, five grams is old fashioned.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

If you feel crappy or tired, take more than the five grams, two to three scoops, and it buffers fatigue.

SPEAKER_03 16:07

And whenever it's in everything and it's advertised on everything, then everybody the the the less informed people think it's a fad.

SPEAKER_00 16:16

It loses its importance, whereas if it was like a cool supplement, like a hack that you got from your trainer, it's a lot cooler than being in publics and being sold it because it's I saw a reel this week, and this is kind of how I feel about it, not to offend anyone, but it was like if you're still asking me if you should take creatine, you're done. You should already be taking it. Stop asking. That's an excellent. We could end the conversation there. I don't want to talk about it anymore. Are you taking it? You why didn't you take it today?

SPEAKER_03 16:39

Okay, and the older you are, your grandma needs to be taking it, right? You're you're you're you're I'll I'll tell you right now, my kids take it. Yeah, your kids are 11 years old taking creatine. Even younger. You couldn't. Yeah, they could do it.

SPEAKER_02 16:50

Yeah, I just don't have any younger. Thank God. Oh man. Yeah, man. Gotta take it. All right. Next one. I I put this in here, but I kind of regret afterwards. I don't even know if it's worth a conversation. Wearable rings like the heart rate monitors. It's definitely worth the conversation.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

How do you feel about them?

SPEAKER_02 17:05

I just I've never used them, so I can't I can't I can't speak to it.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

I don't even want to talk about their accuracy, but just they're in the way. I don't, it's in my way. If you're trying to work out and you're monitoring your workouts, everything you hold, it's in the way.

SPEAKER_03 17:16

Yeah. I wrote cool, and I knew I'd be the oddball here. Sure. If it gets you to do something that you wouldn't have done, it's cool. So there are a lot of people that sit on their butts all day and they get 2,000 steps. They look at their watch, it says they got 2,000, they got I should be getting 10 and they go for a walk. Right?

SPEAKER_00 17:35

Oh, I thought we meant just the rings versus the water.

SPEAKER_03 17:37

I went with I actually wrote watch next to it because rings. Okay, yeah, the rings in a way. I think I thought he meant like any wearable.

SPEAKER_02 17:43

Yeah, let's we can categorize it. So I'll rephrase that as in like wearable heart rate monitor

Wearables And What Data Is Worth

SPEAKER_02 17:48

tracking. Yeah, yeah, a whoop, a heart rate monitor tracking. 100%.

SPEAKER_03 17:51

I can't wear a ring for anything. I can't wear a ring for anything. Okay. Yeah, but I think the wearables, I think in either way, we should address a watch too, because we're gonna talk about rings. But data is good, they're getting better every day, and you're gonna tell me it's inaccurate, but I tell you, if I had a drink last night and the difference it makes, and that information is there, and it allows you to learn about your body, you don't have to care, but you're gonna learn something.

SPEAKER_02 18:15

Which one do you like if you wanted to if you if you had a sponsor?

SPEAKER_03 18:18

I think the whoop is the best out there for accuracy, but it's not a watch. And if you like a watch, then Garmin's not. I mean, that's not it. Garmin's listen, they're they're they're not accurate in some cases. If you're doing pull-ups, push-ups, dumbbell curls, they're not gonna be accurate. They love a bike, they love a run, they love a sleep.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

My Garmin sleep is always like you're such a good sleeper, like no matter what, whenever I Garmin, but my whoop I felt like was very accurate on my recovery and my sleep. And it really showed me it's definitely more accurate. It showed me, and I I don't wear it anymore, but it let me know how much sleep I actually need. Because you think, oh, I'm getting seven and a half hours, that's good. And that thing will tell you, like, you need eleven, so figure it out.

SPEAKER_03 18:59

Right. If you're not sleeping at night and then you're exercising a lot during the day, obviously that we'll get down to that somewhere in here. There's recovery. And you don't have again, you don't have to listen, you can go hit it hard the next day, but the watch told you this is what happens to your body. And I mean, I could go on and on about it.

SPEAKER_02 19:14

Like I think you kind of I agree a lot with that. If it gets you to get up and do something, even ending that right there is cool, it's worth it. Like it could be a new a new pair of running shoes, and you're gonna start running more. That's what's not cool about that.

SPEAKER_03 19:30

I'm the I'm a nerd, I love the data. Yeah, and you know, just real quick, when I had I had like my injury and I couldn't sleep at all at night, and I watched it think that since I didn't sleep at night, all day long it thought I was running. My resting heart rate was so high that it would say before bed, you've had a stressful day. I did not leave the couch, right? Because I couldn't walk. But no sleep, no recovery, your body's fighting, it's under stress, and anyway. Cool. So we're gonna go to cool. I sorry I rambled on that one.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

No, it's good. I think so. If you're thinking about uh getting a whoop or an aura ring or whatever, yeah, take it with a grain of salt.

SPEAKER_03 20:06

That's cool, yeah. Whatever.

SPEAKER_02 20:07

You can't hurt. All right, next one peptides. I'll start. Um man, I don't know enough about there's so many now.

unknown 20:19

So many.

SPEAKER_02 20:19

I think in some cases, super cool. In some cases, I think uh a little bit of uh marketing that's just kind of like tchotchke. The ones I think are cool. I'm semi-familiar with BPC 157 because of the anti-inflammatory benefits of it, specifically to your gut. A lot of times people you'll see it online sold as the Wolverine stack or the Wolverine peptide. Yeah, it's gonna heal your tendons. Yes, that's true, but then more recent studies show almost a greater benefit to your gut inflammation before your tendons and all that stuff. Um systemic. Yeah, so I like that one a lot. The

Peptides And The Shortcut Mentality

SPEAKER_02 20:57

TB500, that's a peptide or is that a pill? No, it's it's an injectable. Okay, I like that too. Um to pair together. Uh go ahead, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

Oh no, I just was interrupting. The culture around them is almost getting just these Instagram peddlers and clinics of they're just I mean, with anything, when there's money and you can push something, people will push it on you. And it's like, are they being used for what they should be used for in the cases they should be used to do?

SPEAKER_02 21:24

And I think similar to the creatine gummies, and those are not they're not really in the same lane. The the more, like you said, peddlers and Instagram, people selling them, it's just that the pro the product quality, I don't even know what you can trust anymore. Like, how clean is this one peptide gonna be if you buy it online from this Instagram influencer?

SPEAKER_03 21:41

And what works, what doesn't work.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

And like we're taking them to be tanner, like I don't Oh, I forgot about that one.

SPEAKER_03 21:46

And it's but it's also I mean it's medicine if you think about it. And if you were just to tell somebody go buy it on like I I I admittedly would be like, Oh, that sounds like a cool idea, but how how much do I take? Yeah, there's a process to like right watering it down. Getting it the right dosage, how often you should take good possibility.

SPEAKER_02 22:02

If it said medicine, I think it's I think you would probably treat it like medicine. You should treat it like medicine. I agree with that. Um, is it cool? Is it lame? Yes and no. I don't have a black or white answer for that. There's too many strands, there's too many variations, there's too many brands and companies, and there's there's uh capsule versions, there's injectable versions.

SPEAKER_03 22:20

Is it a gateway drug? Once you're comfortable sticking a needle in you, what else you want to put in yourself?

SPEAKER_00 22:25

So I I mean it's kind of like anything, like how much? Like a lot of things are cool until they're not, you know, like is having a beer cool or is having 42 lane.

SPEAKER_02 22:32

So here's kind of like going back to the original idea, like why I wanted to do this again, is everybody everything is getting so crazy and so like over inundated. People that are looking at peptides haven't even they came in squat below parallel. So, like what are you doing? You know, it's like you don't have a driver's license yet, but you want, you know, you want to build a Ferrari. Like, what are you doing? It's just too. I don't even think that people should be looking at that if you kind of can't get the basics down first. So is it cool? Is it lame? Yes and no. Right.

SPEAKER_03 23:01

When you're going to the needles before the carnivore diet, by the way. Do the carnivore diet before you touch a needle. How about that?

SPEAKER_02 23:07

There you go. That's good. So lame, okay, here we go. This is my favorite one. Hybrid athlete culture.

SPEAKER_00 23:11

Why don't you just take this one away, Devin, and we'll see you after.

SPEAKER_02 23:14

Well, first of all, let's define. I don't mean maybe I should have done this ahead of time. What is define a hybrid athlete? It hybrid is like who's not a hybrid athlete?

SPEAKER_03 23:24

It should be an italics because it's a brand.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

Have you seen the reels right now where people are saying this is why I'm a hybrid athlete or like my audition tape and they just post all the things they can do?

SPEAKER_03 23:33

So it it it it's it's a brand. The word hybrid is a brand to me. It's not a it's not a descriptive word.

SPEAKER_02 23:41

It's not like saying like you're a wrestler.

SPEAKER_03 23:43

Right.

SPEAKER_02 23:44

If you're a wrestler, you're a wrestler. If you're a hybrid athlete, you just you do a little bit of everything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:49

I mean, what's the original one at decathlete?

SPEAKER_02 23:51

Right. Yeah, I mean, yeah. But but culture-wise, like hybrid athlete culture, I think that's

Hybrid Athlete Culture And Identity Traps

SPEAKER_02 23:58

more of this uh kind of like dude in the short shorts, nose strip, uh, with the mid-nasal strip. That's what I think of that.

SPEAKER_03 24:06

I might get in trouble for this. Do it, but it's kind of like the pickleball culture, right? There's a there's a sport, it's a pickleball, it's a game, and then but there's a culture around it, right? And then you have the hybrid, which is it's gonna be hierarchs, right? There's a culture around that. Let's all do this together. What are you doing today? I'm doing burpy broad jumps, cool. Like, there's a it's not a sport.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

Is the culture cool or lame? I'm gonna say personally, I think it's lame, but I I'll have to agree or kind of tie in what you said about pepta or um wearable rings and the the tracking. At least they're doing something. Um the part that I think is lame about it is sort of this like pinholing yourself into that culture and that culture only. Because at the end of the day, it's just fitness, right? So it's like don't don't don't be a hybrid. I think just be a fit person.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

That that that word hybrid, that brand, and getting it attached to you. Yeah, some people like probably fit feel some pride to that. Let's say I've just been running forever and somebody got me in the gym, and now I'm pushing a sled, and they're like, You're a hybrid now. And that maybe there's some sort of like I'm proud of that now. You've been taking it now. I've taken a step in my journey, yeah, and that's cool.

SPEAKER_02 25:18

Um the best athletes I know aren't hybrid athletes, they're athletes that and this could argue this could be argued athlete. This could be argued that this is a hybrid athlete, like your son, for example. He's a wrestler, he plays baseball, he lifts weights, he's run track. Like, that's more of a hybrid athlete than somebody who does wall balls and slight pushes in the same work.

SPEAKER_03 25:36

You're a hybrid athlete. Congratulations. Totally. So you don't need higher uh.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

I think the culture is lame because it kind of like you're you're it's redundant because anything is hybrid. Like, you know, if we squatted today and then also did a little bit of running, that's hybrid, but I'm not a hybrid.

SPEAKER_00 25:53

And it's kind of like they invented something new, but or they feel that they invented something new, and obviously the Hyrux race is new, which has brought a lot of attention to it. But you know, running and lifting is not new, correct. And I'm glad it's getting you moving. And I'm glad you have friends. No, yeah. I mean, exactly it's not groundbreaking.

SPEAKER_02 26:11

Right. Don't feel like you're sp you're involved in something special because you did more than one movement in a workout.

SPEAKER_00 26:16

I'm glad you're there, and Devin doesn't want you to feel special.

SPEAKER_02 26:20

We're not, we're all we're all non-special. Okay. We're let's just say call that one lame.

SPEAKER_03 26:26

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:28

But the not part of lame is at least they're doing something.

SPEAKER_03 26:30

If you're getting in shape, if you've done nothing and it's what you want to do, great, but true. Expand on that. All right, grab a weight.

SPEAKER_02 26:37

Influencer mobility drills. What do we think about that?

SPEAKER_03 26:39

Uh I mean, I think it's cool. I I screenshot mobility drills all the time. Depends who it is.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

Oh, yeah, but I screenshot them from people who like are smart.

SPEAKER_03 26:51

Yeah, so I don't care who does it, it's at Facebook, it gets fed to me because I've taken a picture. But like it might be something like, oh, that feels good if I do that. Yeah. Um, but there's flexibility and mobility, right? All right. So, you know, if you're just kind of moving your arm, like I'm getting flexible, but you can't move a weight in that full range of motion, that's mobility. That's mobility.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

And remember, the one part that I think is lame is influencer. Um because I like mobility drills that are fed to me on Instagram or something. Dr. Baron Horsching. I was just gonna say that. So those of you listening, and if you

Mobility Drills That Actually Help

SPEAKER_02 27:26

you know you got a tight back, your hips are tight, and then Kelly Starrett. Yeah, you're looking who do I look at? Who's not lame? Augie already said it, but uh Squat University on Instagram, fantastic. I've been following that guy for over a decade now.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

Steffi Cohen. I don't know if that's how you say her name, but she's very good.

SPEAKER_02 27:41

Steffi Cohen is good. Um uh Kelly Starrett, who's been around forever.

SPEAKER_03 27:46

What's his account? I can't remember his account now. The flow state. Okay. Is that it? I don't know. Ready state.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

Sorry, flow state is like boxing. Ready state. Ready state. I think those three things two R's, two T two T's, I think. I don't think any in the the cool the cool thing about we'll even throw influencer back in there, mobility drills, is you try a few of them, you're gonna know whether they work or not, and they're probably not gonna hurt.

SPEAKER_03 28:08

And watching people move all day, whatever, man. Get online, find something that makes you move better. Because you need to be doing, especially when you're older, yeah. I mean you're probably getting more mobility work than you do lifting sometimes, just because you're not moving well.

SPEAKER_02 28:22

Influencer or not, mobility drills are cool. Just make sure you find the right person.

SPEAKER_03 28:26

Cool but effective.

SPEAKER_02 28:27

Um, next one, uh, barefoot shoes.

SPEAKER_00 28:30

It doesn't matter because they're ugly, so don't do it.

SPEAKER_02 28:33

What she said. Uh yeah, I think they're lame. If you're gonna do I personally barefoot being barefoot is super cool.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

I'm barefoot all the time.

SPEAKER_03 28:41

I uh I like to warm up and sometimes work out, and we joke about the term sockwad, but like if you can do something without shoes, I think there's there's a problem can be that if someone has in their hokas and then they go to the barefoot shoes and then they do an entire their feet are gonna hurt. Yeah, and you ease into it. Yeah, you you really have to ease into it. You know what? Just walk around your house barefoot for a while. Walk in the grass.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

If you've been wearing, like August said, if you've been wearing ons or hokas and then you're like, I'm gonna do barefoot, be careful, you're gonna snap an Achilles. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:12

I got toe shoes.

SPEAKER_02 29:13

Do you really?

SPEAKER_00 29:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

What brand are they? The Vibram.

SPEAKER_00 29:15

Him and Jennifer have matching ones.

SPEAKER_03 29:17

They're not matching mine, they're black.

Barefoot Shoes And The Risky Jump

SPEAKER_03 29:19

I have them.

SPEAKER_02 29:19

I've worn them sometimes, but so I think the shoes are lame. If you're gonna do anything like, you know, walk in your yard barefoot or do your if you're gonna lift, warm up in your socks, that's fine. Anybody wearing them sponsored, by the way. Yeah, they're kind of lame though. There's just your your bare feet are free. Um, okay, so we're all gonna say lame. Just take your shoes off, don't buy the shoes. Lame. All right, next one. Gut health influencers, my god.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

Like skinny teeth?

SPEAKER_03 29:47

I don't get a lot of these in my feed. But I know about gut, and it's a real thing. But it but generally speaking, the gut health people are the the what do you call the longevity clowns?

SPEAKER_02 29:59

Yeah. I'll put them in the same category, even though I wrote them in different categories. Oh, they're on here too. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 30:04

It's a real thing for sure. 100%.

SPEAKER_02 30:06

The problem I have with it is the use you use the good word, and I don't want to steal it from you, is the pedaling thing. There's a lot of what'd you say, the teas, the gut teas or whatever the heck.

SPEAKER_00 30:15

Yeah. I also feel like working out can fix a lot of problems, and cleaning up your food can fix a lot of problems. Right. And again, not everyone's, but a lot of things.

SPEAKER_03 30:25

If you throw in some fiber and some fermented foods every now and then, it's good for everybody.

SPEAKER_00 30:29

I know but working out changes the chemistry

Gut Health Influencers And Tea Nonsense

SPEAKER_00 30:32

of what's happening in your body if you do that in intensity.

SPEAKER_03 30:35

Right.

SPEAKER_00 30:35

So, again, I'm not saying it fixes everything.

SPEAKER_03 30:38

Then you know what else would fix? Carnivore diet. That's not wrong. I'm just saying, right? No, seeing what you eat is going to be a big help. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 30:48

Um But yeah, that girl holding tea is bothering me.

SPEAKER_02 30:50

Yeah, I don't I just don't like people selling it like, oh, I took this tea and my whole my whole thing. Oh, I forgot about that. My gut, I'm not bloated anymore, and I got five nasal strips on the floor.

SPEAKER_00 31:02

I'm so over the word bloating. I'm so over it.

SPEAKER_03 31:05

I think uh we could have a whole potato. You can say it because you're a girl.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

I'm like, I get yellow. You hardly even look different. Okay, so let's you are bloated. So what? Oh my god, you don't look like a bikini Instagram picture today? I don't care.

SPEAKER_02 31:16

At the end of the day, shaking fingers make me bloated.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

And you should you shouldn't care either.

SPEAKER_02 31:20

Oscillate them. Yeah. If I think the gut health influencer, they're just trying to sell you something. They're just trying to sell you something. So I'm gonna say lame. Uh if you really have if you can if you feel like you got gut problems or whatever, go get your blood work done and then go from there. Yeah, dude. Don't buy something off of the dude with his nasal strip on and his his you know 1972 mustache, and he's 22 years old and he's worked in the gym for five minutes. Don't do that.

SPEAKER_03 31:45

It's gonna live longer than longevity guy anyway. Yeah and have more fun doing it.

SPEAKER_02 31:49

Okay, so as uh whole gut health influencers, lame. Scroll past them. Ugh. Protein coffee. I see this everywhere now.

SPEAKER_03 32:00

Okay, I went I went down a rabbit hole with this. What protein coffee? Yeah, I did a little bit in my note-taking.

SPEAKER_02 32:05

Okay, cool or lame.

SPEAKER_03 32:06

It's lame. And not only can it be lame, it's detrimental. Ooh, I want to hear why. I don't know anything about it. I don't know anything about it.

SPEAKER_00 32:14

Augie hates coffee, that needs to go first.

SPEAKER_03 32:16

I do hate coffee, but the more I black coffee is like the best thing for you, right? Antioxidants, polyphenols, that's today's word. Okay. Polyphenols. It's some sort of something acid, it's an acid, and it's that's where the benefit of coffee comes from. Okay. So black coffee. Black coffee, right? So when you add dairy, dairy binds to those polyphenols, and then it reduces the absorption into your body. So the good things about coffee go away with dairy.

SPEAKER_00 32:43

So if you put whey protein,

Protein Coffee And Why It Backfires

SPEAKER_00 32:46

what if you're not using whey protein?

SPEAKER_03 32:47

Okay, well, um it's dairy specifically, and most people use dairy. Interesting. So even like a collagen. But yeah, creamers.

SPEAKER_00 32:55

Creamers are usually collagen, though, which is not a complete protein.

SPEAKER_02 32:58

You're talking about when it's a protein coffee, though.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

Yeah. Oh, no, if it's a protein coffee, probably. I'm thinking about something in their kitchen, mixing it up. If you're buying a creamer or a thing, that's usually dairy creamer. But but the ones that come together, like a protein coffee, is usually whey.

SPEAKER_02 33:11

So how what okay, let's just say whey is dairy, and therefore that's it, that's a thing.

SPEAKER_00 33:15

But the binding thing that Augie says is probably one of the most useful informations we've said this whole podcast. So say it again.

SPEAKER_03 33:21

Yeah, say it again. Uh polyphenols. Okay. PH in the middle of that. And uh and they're they're acids. There's, you know, whatever. It's not a zorbic acid, but it's a something acid. And anyway, they're they help with um the the they're the antioxidants. What do they write down here? Inflammation, metabolism, brain function, things like that.

SPEAKER_02 33:41

So let's pretend you're a coffee guy for a second and you don't like to drink black coffee, you're gonna, you know, want to I'm gonna have a protein shake and then I'll drink my coffee separately.

SPEAKER_03 33:50

Yeah. And if somebody wanted to have like flavor or in their coffee, now if you don't care about the benefits of coffee, do what you want to the coffee. You're just having coffee to have the protein. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:00

Or caffeine.

SPEAKER_03 34:01

I'd rather you had the protein.

SPEAKER_00 34:02

I don't really care what about my collagen that I'm putting in my coffee. It doesn't even work anyway, so it doesn't matter, right?

SPEAKER_03 34:07

You know, I went I went through a collagen phase a long time ago, gave that up. I don't know. My hair and nails are still fatalist, so it's probably one of those things like that. I drink a lot of raw egg whites, and apparently that hasn't bad for your biotin.

SPEAKER_02 34:22

Yeah, biotin.

SPEAKER_03 34:23

It's been years.

SPEAKER_02 34:24

So protein coffee, let's say I'll okay, I don't know. So we're gonna say lame.

SPEAKER_03 34:29

Lame, completely, there's no other answer. So separate the two. Now have your protein. If you want protein, if it if you're getting protein, we like protein.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

But yeah, it won't be. So you just won't get the benefits of coffee.

SPEAKER_03 34:39

The benefits of coffee are nullified, so but you still get the caffeine.

SPEAKER_00 34:42

And you that's my benefit of coffee.

SPEAKER_03 34:44

Whatever you're trying to get out of coffee. Okay. Polyphenols be damned. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 34:48

I do it. They don't like it, but I do it because I only have so many liquids in the morning. Coffee is disgusting. I need my caffeine and my protein combined.

SPEAKER_02 34:57

Uh dinosaurs. Next one is fitness. Oh, we love a fitness franchise. Fitness franchises. Um, personally, I'm extremely passionate about this because I'm not we're not a fitness franchise. We're just a single location gym. But uh, Kim, I know you got a lot of feelings on fitness franchises.

SPEAKER_00 35:14

I have a lot of feelings on it. Set the fire, Kim. But before I set the fire, because I know you guys will bring so much fun together.

SPEAKER_03 35:20

We'll throw gas on it.

SPEAKER_00 35:22

I do want to separate that. There's a lot of franchise. I won't even say a lot. I know a handful of franchise owners who are great. Yes. Like who are who run good gyms and care about their members and they do, I'm sure they do well, but whether or not they do well, I bet you we go above them.

SPEAKER_03 35:38

We're not really knocking the Yeah. So like that's just why I'm not saying that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 35:41

We're talking about the creators of the yeah, but the the creator, I think it's MLM marketing. I think they're set up to fail. I think they're

Fitness Franchises And Cookie Cutter Coaching

SPEAKER_00 35:48

people just trying to make money off something that's not repeatable, and they don't care about you at all, and they don't care about your fitness, and they don't care if your owners make money, they just care if they make more money.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

And we're you're not saying this because that's how you feel. You're well, it is how you feel, but you're saying this because we've personally seen it with how I feel too.

SPEAKER_03 36:07

And and and like there's one owner here in this gym, but we're all kind of close to the owner, so our feelings about ownership of those are a little stronger than someone who just goes to the gym. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:19

This is this is what I think it is in a in a small, small sentence or two. It's like playing off the connection that you have from working out with your coach. So you go into a gym and it changes your life in some way. It should. And then you have a relationship with that coach and it's playing off that. It's saying, now that I've changed your life, why don't you go change other people's life? It's like this weird, like missionary thing. But really, all it's saying is instead of your membership fee, I now want you to have all of your gym fees. Right. So you open a new location. I don't care if you're successful, but I can take all that money and it's preying upon that relationship.

SPEAKER_03 36:55

And if you want to sell it, you can't even pick the person you want to sell it to because they have a whole hopper of people that have had the Kool-Aid that they can sell it to. You don't even get to pick, right?

SPEAKER_02 37:06

I think it's beyond lame for so many reasons, but just from a business but numerical standpoint, we're talking about fitness franchises. Fitness in general, gyms providing classes or personal training, whatever it is, have super low margins already. And these franchisees are paying sometimes up to 30-40% of their bottom line to the They gotta be in the red for years, man. Yeah, and it's like you already have a small piece of the pie for yourself, but then once you take on the name of a franchise, you're splitting that pie in eight different ways, and there's just no the only and they do this, they they force these franchise, the people who open them, to ultimate open multiple locations because that's the only way they can sustain it, right? Instead of having one location that makes fifty dollars, you have to have eight locations that make three dollars each or you know, whatever it is, and you're you're just not and the more locations only benefits the guy at the top. Correct. And the biggest problem, I think, locally with franchises is the we'll call them the the corporate entity of it, they don't care if there's five of the same franchises in this in a five-mile radius, right? And there's only so many people, so you you're you're borrowing from Peter to pay Paul.

SPEAKER_03 38:16

You're there's no right, and we're not not knocking the athletes that go there. No. But I will tell you that if you go there and you know what he just said about the priorities of the franchise not being you, it's really how much can we grow, how much money can we squeeze out of it. Yeah, you're gonna get terrible coaching. You don't even know what good coaching is. You're gonna get terrible coaching, you're gonna get programming that's puts you in a rut, it's repetitive, you're gonna get sweaty, you think sweat means fitness. You're gonna realize that if you go one day but not the next day, it didn't matter because you're just gonna go back again and do something that means nothing, right? There's no the goal is just to go get sweaty three or four times a week.

SPEAKER_02 38:57

It might be a little cheaper to join a franchise in, but like you said, you're you're kind of just wasting money because you're not maximizing. And some people don't know better, they've only been to a franchise.

SPEAKER_03 39:05

It's the beginning of a journey. I think it was Stu who said that, right? The beginning, you begin your journey, but then you evolve your journey.

SPEAKER_00 39:11

Yeah, and how about this? Like you said, you're not getting good coaching, but if you are getting good coaching, your coaches aren't getting paid or developed or the freedom to coach you to the best of their ability. So your coach is being held back too. They were probably already good going.

SPEAKER_03 39:26

They can't be as creative as they'd like. And then someone can come in here and tell us that we're wrong.

SPEAKER_00 39:29

They're not being compensated, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_02 39:31

If they if they happen to be the unique unicorn good coach, I've seen the different payout structures for coaches that work for franchises, and it's like 20 plus an hour and they're not working out there. Yeah, so okay, that's a good point. That's the biggest thing, and why I'm gonna hammer this in that fitness franchises are super lame. I don't know many at all, if any at all, coaches at F45 or Orange Theory, that that workout program in and of itself is their primary uh meaning of the state.

SPEAKER_03 40:00

If they look super fit and they're not doing it jacked, there's no chance that they are doing that workout.

SPEAKER_02 40:05

No. And at the end of the day, let's keep it black and white. It's a franchise. Like, why wouldn't you want to support a local business, whether it's a local coffee shop versus Starbucks?

SPEAKER_03 40:13

Like convenience, people just like, oh, there it is.

SPEAKER_02 40:15

It's next to my grocery store. Very true. Um, I think it's lame. I think the people who run it are so disconnected from what happens in the group classes from the personal training sessions. It's just super lame. There's better options out there, it's too cookie cutter.

SPEAKER_03 40:29

We love the athletes. We love that you're doing something. Yeah, but the franchise model only benefits.

SPEAKER_00 40:34

And we don't say this from the outside. We have been into like taken so many franchise classes. We know personally multiple franchise owners, we know multiple people who work out at them.

SPEAKER_02 40:44

Yeah, and I'll put this up, I'll I'll give uh pat everybody in this room on the back. Like, we're all this stuff for the most part we're talking about. We've kind of lived it or done our research or like instead of taking classes places, so we're not just trashing fitness franchises. Um, I think they're super lame.

SPEAKER_03 40:59

What do you it just triggers me? Like, what do you think when you write a check to a gym and you walk in and you're learning from a video on the screen? What what do you do? Why did you leave your living room to go into this room where it's a high five and watch that screen up there? And you hope to watch it fast enough before the interval starts to learn something you've never done. Absurd. What are you doing? Community. Yeah. Okay, that that got me.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

Um next one, AI workout programming.

SPEAKER_00 41:29

What a transition. I feel like your video screen goes closely to this.

SPEAKER_02 41:32

I know.

SPEAKER_00 41:33

I don't yeah, I mean, I kind of feel not even to say if it's good or bad, but just if you you are probably not gonna work out hard. No.

SPEAKER_03 41:42

If there's and if you have a gym actually period like your home or your garage where you can work out anytime, you can work out some other time. Right? It's not going, it's not gonna go well. There's a very few people out there who can do it. You want to use AI to have a listen, AI plan, people are lost, right? They don't know what to do sometimes, and they go on AI, they get a plan. It's it's a plan. You know what? If someone said, give me a um a back squat cycle. They could get one off of AI and go to the Y and do it. But they right, but they're gonna get hurt, they give

AI Workout Programming And False Confidence

SPEAKER_03 42:15

no coaching, you know, they're not gonna, they might not do it um on a proper schedule, right?

SPEAKER_02 42:20

There's a lot of things that could go wrong, but I would say it's lame, not because I I've seen some AI workout programs, like, oh, that kind of makes sense. But again, we're coming from a place where we've been doing this a while. We might be able to make it. I don't know what's worse though. I don't know if it's worse than franchises. AI or uh AI. I would put them just equally as lame.

SPEAKER_00 42:40

This is why I think it's worse. And it doesn't even have to do with the programming, it has to do with so someone's gonna be listening to this and well, I only have from two to two forty five, that's when the sitter's there, and I get it in and I push myself really hard, and I'm that person, or I love it, whatever. Congratulations. You think you push yourself? Well, congratulations, but I guarantee you you are not pushing yourself as hard as you would in a group. Because when you think you're the toughest person in the room because you're by yourself, you are, you think you're going 100%. Dude, put a mom next to you who hasn't slept in like three days and starts beating you on the assault bike and then tell me that you still are the toughest person in the room.

SPEAKER_03 43:11

Movement quality is my thing. Like you're not doing movements, right? No matter what you think you are.

SPEAKER_02 43:16

Yeah, I think it's only cool if if you I don't know, if you know what you're doing, I guess. False sense of confidence. Yeah, yeah. This is lame.

SPEAKER_03 43:24

Um go to a place, get a coach, or be coached, or yeah. Also, especially if kids, uh, don't let them go on AI and go to the Y. Please. If they're like teens, please don't let them do that. Um, longevity bros. We already covered them, they suck. Yeah, I agree. Lame Peter Atia, you want to talk about him? We can't talk about him right now, but no. That's all you need to know about longevity.

SPEAKER_02 43:47

Andrew Huberman's another longevity bro. I I used to listen to him, but I think any anytime you're listening to somebody and it takes them 45 minutes to get one point across, move on. I don't feel like he's a longevity. Because he parties, I think.

SPEAKER_03 44:01

I think he does.

SPEAKER_00 44:04

He also comes from the education space, or what's the science space. Look at that. Neuroscientist. You did it. No. So there's another one. Education.

SPEAKER_02 44:14

I think we just used it because we used it. We've kind of seen Paul Saladino, the carnivore MD, for a long time. I would consider him a longevity bro. I think most of the time lame, and here's why. Specific to the carnivore

Longevity Bros And Selling Fear

SPEAKER_02 44:26

doctor at Paula Saladino, you're gonna, it's too much. It's not sustainable, it's expensive, and they're always attached to a product. Right? This beef jerky has lineage. Yes, this be advertising. This beef jerky has too much sugar in it, a process, whatever. So buy mine for three ounces for $75. If they're if it's always trying to sell you something as their solution, it's lame.

SPEAKER_00 44:48

And not to be depressing, but I have never ever met a single person who wasn't gonna die. So I at least want to be alive a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 44:55

Yes. Yeah. Like I'm gonna we're gonna outlive all of this.

SPEAKER_02 44:57

I watched a video recently with Paul Saladino um talking about he was reviewing Dwayne The Rock Johnson's diet, right? And part of the the end of it was The Rock answering what his like last meal would be if he was on death row or something like that. And Paul, it was like pizza and burgers, you know, good stuff. And Paul Saladino was like, I don't know why he would do that. I'm just gonna have a steak and fruit like a I'm like, come on, man. Grow up. I want to know what he smells like. Probably like baking soda. Alright, last one. Uh teen strength training. Super cool.

SPEAKER_03 45:32

I mean, the most cool.

SPEAKER_00 45:34

Why is your teen too busy to do it? They should be doing it.

SPEAKER_03 45:37

You are spending money on your Botox to look like a clown. You can spend it on your kid to get properly trained to do something. Right? Listen, I'm not wrong. Open up the vanity closet in the bathroom of your home. And you tell me that you can't afford to get a coach for your kid once or twice a week so that they build a foundation to do something properly. Kim had it right, right? What's it, cut your hair? You made a cut cut your hair analogy. You don't just give a kid scissors and say, go do it.

SPEAKER_00 46:10

Like, how much do we spend and we, me included, on doing our hair? You book an appointment, you pay someone, and you would never do it yourself.

Teen Strength Training Done Right

SPEAKER_00 46:17

But with fitness, for some reason, we're like, oh yeah, I'll just buy some dumbbells and do it. Like, I don't see you going to buy hair bits.

SPEAKER_03 46:22

I gave my kid a pull-up bar and an agility ladder, and I said, Go get better at sports.

SPEAKER_00 46:26

I mean, and I've been doing it and you're like, Well, I used to work out. I'm like, Yeah, I've been getting my hair done for 15 years. I've been watching the girls. I can't do it. I can't do it.

SPEAKER_02 46:34

I think it's cool too, because not only is it gonna help, you know, again, I'll use your son Aug as an example. Um, you know, super fantastic wrestler, but he's also, you know, he obviously trains hard, he's good at the techniques, wrestling is a lot of technique. Um, but because he's been strength training for so long, a lot of uh him applying those techniques is so efficient and so like second nature, and his general like muscular development is well beyond some of the kids that he wrestles, and so his energy output is less. And not only that, like performance aside, you get teens to start strength training properly, you're teaching them structure from an early age. You're teaching them that um you know walk that you can get with with some work, you can get from A to B. And then B gets you to C and you can continue to progress. And not only that, it's like it teaches them that not everything is just easy, and there's a lot of talented athletes out there who might not think, oh yeah, my son's a great pitcher, he doesn't need strength training, you know, we're just gonna work on his arm, arm, arm until he's 18 and tears his UCL. Right. So it's cool for a lot of reasons.

SPEAKER_00 47:35

It's super cool, and I think one of the barriers to it though is that it's kind of like brushing your teeth. You just have to keep doing it and doing it and doing it, and you don't really notice doing it always, but you definitely notice not doing it.

SPEAKER_02 47:46

Right. And if you're a parent out there and you're you're you're we'll call you a sports parent and you want, you know, you kind of foresee your kid playing football in high school and maybe they get to college or stuff, and you want them to have, we'll go back to the word longevity, you want them to stay injury-free, you want them to progress, you want them to have an an edge and to have more fun. Make them strength train because all strength makes everything easier.

SPEAKER_03 48:09

Also, make them like you said, make them if you have a young athlete in your house, you go find a gym, you find a good coach, and you make them do it. And they are going to find confidence that they never thought they had, they're gonna be able to do things they never thought they could. You're gonna watch them in whatever sport they're doing do something that is going to impress themselves. Like, wow, I did that before, but now when I do it, it works, right? Or now I'm faster at it, I'm better at it. Right? You talk about wrestling. I don't care. If if your kid is just lanky and lean and he weighs the same as my kid who's jacked, he's going to ruin you because you're weak. And and that's just that's the fact. So if you want to do something, you gotta get stronger at it, right? And it needs to be said, it does not stunt your growth. Stop out there, you old-fashioned parents. Oh my gosh, that's worse than crazy. And stop saying that. Stop asking me to stop. Oh my doctor said his growth plates are still there, and he's gonna be six foot seven. Uh cool. He weighs 120 pounds, he's 6'4, and he's finding it.

SPEAKER_00 49:08

Don't let him carry groceries up the stairs. Watch out.

SPEAKER_03 49:11

Golly, feed the kid and let him work out, and it's gonna be just fine.

SPEAKER_02 49:14

Stop it, um, but with that being said, and one of y'all said this earlier, you can't just buy your kid dumbbells and send them into the garage. No.

SPEAKER_03 49:22

No, they're gonna use AI. He's gonna find something. And you know what? Again, I think it's better than the franchise. I just decided that. Like, because it he might get a barbell or a dumbbell workout that is better than nothing. I used to have a solo flex in my kid. It's bad. I get that. I get that.

SPEAKER_02 49:38

Yeah, I told you it's a topic.

SPEAKER_03 49:42

It's that the franchise isn't gonna show you how to hinge.

SPEAKER_02 49:44

Um, okay, well, we're gonna, I think that I like that one.

SPEAKER_03 49:48

Well, I've come along on trap bar deadlifts, so we could talk about that another episode.

SPEAKER_02 49:51

Uh let's let's end this with kind of a recap. What trend annoys either one of you the most out of all those we talked about? Is there anything that stands out?

SPEAKER_00 50:00

To me, we didn't necessarily say this, but we kind of covered a little influencer stuff. It's those people that are always top five things you have to do or things you can't. Anything that's you, you have to do it.

SPEAKER_03 50:10

They'll give you three that you're not doing so you feel bad about yourself.

SPEAKER_00 50:13

Yeah, and it not to say everything is so unique and you're so unique, because really everyone just needs to move their body and eat better. But when you're doing these ultimatums to scare people and saying they have to and they can't, you're just polarizing the industry and making it harder for people to get involved. Oh, I shouldn't bench press, or I shouldn't do this, or I can't do that, or and it's like you just need to do something.

SPEAKER_02 50:33

You do everything properly. I think the one that annoys me the most is in that same lane. Um man, this might

The Trends That Annoy Us Most

SPEAKER_02 50:40

offend some people, but the whole doctor thing, I don't there's so many people on Instagram right now that that call themselves doctors, and they might have a degree, but they've been doing it for five minutes. Medical doctors don't know squat. Yeah, but they don't care to, they don't need to. I would rather talk to an 84-year-old man who looks good and still moves and ask him what his hacks and secrets are than this, you know, chiropractor who graduated five minutes ago and already has his own business and is trying to sell me stuff. Like, oh man, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go talk to Dave and ask him why his knees are healthy at 75 or what you know.

SPEAKER_00 51:16

I mean, we've really gone away from that apprenticeship mindset. You know, you used to be under somebody for a long time. Yeah. And I mean, not to be cheesy, but I've been, you know, under you for almost nine, ten years now.

SPEAKER_03 51:27

Social media does that.

SPEAKER_00 51:29

There's so much stuff that I've learned that if I just started a gym, I would never have learned. And it's impossible. Once you're alone, yeah, you can watch a video or do this, but there's things that's impossible to learn except for th from 300 reps of watching someone do it and following along.

SPEAKER_03 51:44

That's why the member who buys the franchise is a mess.

SPEAKER_02 51:47

I never even thought about opening my own gym until I worked in 50 other gyms first. And it was kind of a subconscious thing, not not like, oh yeah, I just got my degree and now I'm ready to go and and you know fix everybody. That's not how it works. So the one that gets under my skin the most is uh we'll call them green influencers. You know, I I would encourage people if you're if you're kind of expert, yeah, if if you're if you're putting content out there and you're yapping in front of your camera, spend more time working with, under, or side by side to somebody who's been doing it longer.

SPEAKER_00 52:22

Uh that's made the mistakes that I shadowed someone for two semesters in school and for a class.

SPEAKER_03 52:27

Now you can write programming and put it out on the internet in your own app or something. That's another thing. There's the influencer uh programming, everyone throws it out there. That's horrible. Um, yeah, my my beef is is I'm just in the world of boys and sports. I mean, I just see kids, kids are practicing the sport over and over and over again all year round instead of stopping, lifting, sprinting, get jacked, and doing that for the stuff. You can put the baseball bat down, you can put the glove down, you can put the wrestling shoes away for three months, four months, and come back better than you ever have.

SPEAKER_02 53:01

And without the burnout, too. The emotional mental burnout these kids get from year round, the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 53:08

And just be excited to pick it back up.

SPEAKER_02 53:09

It makes it more fun, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:11

Yeah. Uh all right. That's my views.

SPEAKER_02 53:13

Last one, last one. Is there any of these trends that you think are misunderstood the most?

SPEAKER_00 53:19

I mean zone two, but we kind of said that.

SPEAKER_02 53:21

Yeah, yeah. Um not really. Uh yeah, uh the team the teen strength training, I think, is misunderstood. And you can it's you said already, black and white. It's not gonna stunt the kid's growth, they're not gonna get hurt, you know.

SPEAKER_03 53:34

So if we're we're kicking on things, we're I think we could one of the things we could stop with or start or finish with. Where's something clients ask about before they've mastered the basics? Oh, yeah, yeah. It kind of ties into like all the fads. Like, can you make my kid fat uh agile or something like that?

SPEAKER_02 53:50

I get this a lot with parents. Um, my kid needs to improve their agility and their speed. Right. Always agility, always agility. Buzzword. Then I mean you guys can add to this, but I my answer to that is just make them stronger. That's it.

SPEAKER_03 54:06

Right. Well, like Kim would probably say, uh I probably heard like, can you do a lunge? Right? By the way, sometimes they're like eight or nine years old. But like line up all the 10-year-olds on a baseball team and say, go lunge across this field. Or go give me a 10 push-ups. And now we can stop talking about your speed and agility. Yeah. Because there's moves that you just you can't even do proper at all.

Master Basics Before Sports Specific Training

SPEAKER_02 54:29

Yeah, I um that's the cart before the horse thing, black and white. Broad jump, please. I like this. What's another thing that people were asking about before they mastered the basics? Anything, Kim?

SPEAKER_00 54:41

No, just on what Augie's saying, I think too, it's just a time thing. Like everybody I want him to be agile by the time he's seven and a half. It's like extreme goals. Augie posted a picture of his son the other week, and someone was commenting about how jacked he was. I'm like, yeah, dude, he's 12 and he's been lifting lifting with me for eight years. That's why he's agile. And nobody wants to hear that. Yeah, yeah, you have to do it for eight years, and guess what? He's not even high school and he has to keep doing it.

SPEAKER_02 55:06

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:06

I think the uh it's not glamorous, you just have to keep doing it.

SPEAKER_02 55:09

The one that I think people ask about before the Master Basics is the and maybe we talked about this a little bit already, is the sports-specific training. I am so passionate about that. That is that is not even real. Don't don't ask a trainer for that. If a trainer's offering sports-specific training, don't don't go.

SPEAKER_03 55:30

Well, in my opinion, it's just a it's just a punch uh tagline for you to buy in. Like, oh, I want my kid to be in the media leagues, so I'm gonna go to a baseball-specific training.

SPEAKER_02 55:39

Yeah. And the the sports-specific training is called practice, right? If you're a wrestler, your sports-specific training is wrestling practice. If you're a baseball player, sports-specific training is batting, the batting cages. General fitness is what you a teens, kids need. Strength and conditioning is completely separate. Yeah. And just because a back squat doesn't look like like a double leg takedown, this those muscle fibers and that power and that explosiveness all training.

SPEAKER_03 56:08

The power clean helps a baseball swing.

SPEAKER_02 56:10

Everything does. So um, okay, cool. I think it kind of covers a little bit of maybe we can in the future break some of these down in a little bit more depth. Uh maybe give it some more scientific background or or just more time. But anyway, thank you guys for listening. We're happy to like and subscribe, like and subscribe. Yep, and um, and yeah, we we hope to just kind of continue to just talk more simplicity, more common sense, and just cut through all the the crap that everybody sees online. Um, follow us on Instagram, and if you made it this far, thank you.