Get ready to broaden your horizon with our in-depth chat with Dr. David White, a soil biologist making waves in the world of environmental and social change! With his background in biological sciences, he marries his love for gardening and permaculture design with his research on soil health, creating a fascinating perspective on the path to sustainability.
In our conversation, we delve into topics like regenerative agriculture as a climate solution and the detrimental effects of industrial agriculture on soil organic matter. We talk about how we partner together with the Compost Tea Party, inspiring children in the Rio School District to care for their environment.
We leave no stone unturned, from soil health and composting to regenerative concepts for the future generation. Prepare to be inspired and learn how the power of your soil can help create a sustainable world for the next generation.
Click here for the free How to Eat Less Water CONDIMENT STORAGE TABLE. It is a printable list of popular condiments that belong in the pantry and those in the refrigerator that can be hung in your kitchen for easy reference.
Download the TEN TIPS to EAT LESS WATER SUMMER PARTY PLANNING GUIDE for all the tips, steps, and info on celebrating like a kitchen activist with your friends and family.
Find gifts designed to serve well-being at the Eat Less Water Shop.
Get a copy of the EAT LESS WATER book.
Reach me at info@eatlesswater.com
Get ready to broaden your horizon with our in-depth chat with Dr. David White, a soil biologist making waves in the world of environmental and social change! With his background in biological sciences, he marries his love for gardening and permaculture design with his research on soil health, creating a fascinating perspective on the path to sustainability.
In our conversation, we delve into topics like regenerative agriculture as a climate solution and the detrimental effects of industrial agriculture on soil organic matter. We talk about how we partner together with the Compost Tea Party, inspiring children in the Rio School District to care for their environment.
We leave no stone unturned, from soil health and composting to regenerative concepts for the future generation. Prepare to be inspired and learn how the power of your soil can help create a sustainable world for the next generation.
Click here for the free How to Eat Less Water CONDIMENT STORAGE TABLE. It is a printable list of popular condiments that belong in the pantry and those in the refrigerator that can be hung in your kitchen for easy reference.
Download the TEN TIPS to EAT LESS WATER SUMMER PARTY PLANNING GUIDE for all the tips, steps, and info on celebrating like a kitchen activist with your friends and family.
Find gifts designed to serve well-being at the Eat Less Water Shop.
Get a copy of the EAT LESS WATER book.
Reach me at info@eatlesswater.com
Welcome. I'm glad you're here. Together, we will turn our shared concern about the state of our environment into a force for change. It will require you to reimagine the role of your home kitchen as more than a warehouse of food or a room where we cook and gather to eat. The time has come to enter your kitchen with eyes open to the transformative power it harnesses for the planet and you. The home kitchen has always been ground zero for positive environmental and social change. Waiting for you to take your position as a kitchen activist Now that you arrived, you will change the world with what you eat. Welcome to the kitchen activists. I am so glad you're here, and today I'm joined with Dr David White, but I'm going to just call you David from this point forward, is that okay?
Speaker 1:Thanks, that's how I know you.
Speaker 2:Yes, that'd be lovely.
Speaker 1:But not to minimize all the work that went in to get the doctor in front of your name. David has a BS in biological sciences and a PhD in medicine from the University of Edinburgh in Scotland. A PhD in medicine.
Speaker 2:How about that? Yeah, really it was a lot of cell biology that I did. I looked at a lot of cells under the microscope and I'm not sure how deeply you want to get into that, but I was doing it through the Department of obstetrics and gynecology. So I ended up with a PhD in medicine, but it's a research qualification and mainly what I was doing was cell biology. Just happened to be with gametes.
Speaker 1:I know that I'm already learning some things about you. So, david and I, we know each other because of well, because he's a soil biologist, an incredible human, and just you know when I'm looking at your bio and all of the different projects that you brought forth into the world is pretty outstanding. So, for example, keep this SBWild Center for Regenerative Agriculture, food for Thought, ohi Captain Planet Foundation, ohi Valley Green Coalition, tauber Fest, which is one of the initiatives that I know you're working on this month. But you are an individual who is passionate and matches that passion with action. So you think about how can I be of service this is what I've witnessed with you and how can I answer that call with my skill set and the talents and just who I am in the world.
Speaker 1:So it's just beautiful to watch David it really is and it's such a wonderful experience for me to join forces with you with the Compost Tea Party. So that's where our paths have crossed is with the Compost Tea Party. So for the last five years, david and I have worked together to bring these events to the Rio School District, which is a district on the Oxnard plain. He brews the Compost Teas in his home in OHI Valley and loads it up on his truck. And how many gallons of Compost Tea do you bring to us?
Speaker 1:That's 170 gallons, I think 170 gallons and then, with the help of about 7 to 800 young people kids we water their playground with Compost Tea. You might be asking well, why would you do that? But before we get there, I just want to back up a little bit about what brought you to think about soil and soil health and to get a PhD and just doing such a deep dive on soil for so long. What brought you there?
Speaker 2:Well, it's a little separate from the PhD was an opportunity that came my way very easily after doing my bachelor's, my undergraduate, which was in biological sciences, and it really was a. It gave me the ability to study cells under the microscope. So that's a nice connection when you want to find out about soil biology, because I know how to use a microscope, which is not very hard. I've always been interested in gardening and growing food. My dad's family are farmers and we always had a big garden with strawberries and potatoes and parsley. I remember those pretty clearly in turnips. This is in North East of Scotland when I came over to California and OHI was the first place I visited in California in 1985. Thank you. I connected with the back country here and the SESPE Creek in particular, and I also connected with friends who were farming, doing small-scale farming and food growing, and also learned about the native plants around here. And really what brought all of those things together for me was doing a permaculture design course in 1997.
Speaker 2:And I was at that time teaching at an independent school in the Upper Ohio High called Happy Valley, which is now called Besson Hills, and my first year there they were hosting a permaculture design course and Bill Molyson, who is the father of permaculture, was giving the course and I actually wasn't given any choice, I just had to do it.
Speaker 2:So I was like, okay, that sounds good because I'd seen the book and I knew a little bit about it. But that really brought together a lot of things. I didn't really realize that working in curbside recycling before it became mandated at the state level and working to protect free flowing rivers and working in organic agriculture was all connected and permaculture design really outlined that for me, and really at the core of any design is soil health. Creating and supporting soil health is key to growing things, and so that the permaculture course was important and through the kind of permaculture network I was exposed to a researcher, Dr Elaine Ingham, and Dr Ingham was up in Oregon at Oregon State and she did a lot of work to promote the importance of the soil food web and she's a microscopist, and so I oh, that's a new word for me.
Speaker 2:Somebody who uses the microscope.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:So I met her. I went to a presentation by her at a permaculture conference and I was very impressed and I thought to invite her to do workshops in Ojai, and so at that time I was the executive director for the Center for Regenerative Agriculture. So in 2002, we formed this nonprofit that was to promote regenerative agriculture and, again, key to the techniques of regenerative agriculture is soil care. The big picture stuff about it is that healthy soils have a lot of organic carbon in them and they get that from the atmosphere by the function of plants, which take carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and pump it into the ground as well as fixing it in their bodies, and those carbohydrates that come out of the roots feed the soil biology. So it just seemed really important to me to use my skills to understand how to generate healthy soils.
Speaker 2:And from an ecological perspective, nature has been successful because it's cyclical, and so composting is the thing that completes the cycle in the cycle of life.
Speaker 2:It's powered by the sun and plants grow and then they feed animals and then animals eat each other and everything dies and soil biology turns it back into fertile soil for the next generation, and that's worked for millennia, for millions of years Making that cyclical connection through soil health and through composting, became very clear to me that this was an important thing. The animals enjoyed the compost aspect of gardening and I ran school garden programs for years and composting was something that happened there and we get the children to sieve compost and it was a fantastic lesson for them to do because you didn't need to give it much attention, they just were fascinated with the biology that's in the soil. You didn't have to say, well, children, the soil is alive. They could see it as alive because it's teeming with the animals which they would catch and trade and so that the vibrancy of soil was really an important thing to connect kids to nature at that level and you know, core to what I do is about connecting kids to nature.
Speaker 1:So you've taken us through a lot there.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of stuff there.
Speaker 1:Of all the things, from you coming from a farming family to then going to school and then making those connections, it sounds like, especially when you came to California and started working as a teacher at the high school right at Besant High or Besant School.
Speaker 2:It was happy valley school.
Speaker 1:Which has its own interesting past right. I mean, it was started by Aldous Huxley and who else. Who else were the founders of the school?
Speaker 2:Huxley is the famous one, but Annie Besant was the one who bought the land in 1928. And there's 650 acres that the Happy Valley Foundation owns, and on that land is the Besson Hill School, and there is also used to be the Ohai Foundation. It's now called the Topa Institute, and so there's a couple of different organizations that are based there, as well as the Beatrice Wood Center for the Arts. That's there too.
Speaker 1:Who was a potter? Only recognized potter.
Speaker 2:It's an interesting area and there's some endangered habitat there.
Speaker 1:But the whole piece behind the mission of the school and the retreat center that's connected to it. My understanding was that in order for us to make change, we need to begin with ourselves. That was my understanding of the idea behind that place and to connect people with nature. Right, how can you change what we see in the environment if you don't even have a connection yourself to nature and to our environment? That was a beautiful mission and they still continue to do that work. The other thing that was really interesting listening to your history of the work that you've done which is you truly are at way ahead of other people in thinking. For example, the Center for Regenerative Agriculture if I understood it correctly, you started that in 2002.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we were really at it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to think about regenerative agriculture in 2002, when it's really just a word that is coming, not even in the mainstream yet. It's just like a word that you're beginning to hear, that people are starting to understand what that means, I mean. And then food for thought. Oh hi, I know that was something that you started what has already been 20 years about.
Speaker 2:I wasn't involved in starting that one, but I certainly supported it from the beginning and worked for them for quite a long time.
Speaker 1:But this idea farmed a table, which was revolutionary, and it's just barely taking off in public schools. I know that was also in the public schools in Ohio. I want to thank you for the work you do because there has to be people who are in the beginning of certain movements.
Speaker 1:And even I get this with water conservation and talking about virtual water footprint, thinking about how we're eating, and it just feels like you're the salmon going upstream, but somebody's got to start doing that work. For somebody who's listening to this and you have an idea of something that may not feel like it's popular or you feel like it's going to be hard, just know that all of us have different talents and so for you, David, it really is your talent to be up in the front of the pack and leading and having to knock down walls and barriers in order for the water to flow through. So, anyway, I want to just recognize that and recognize the work because, over and over again, you are one of those first the beginning voices.
Speaker 1:That just blows me away 2002 for the Center for. Regenerative Agriculture.
Speaker 2:There's actually a researcher in Australia, darren Doherty, who created a document that showed the use of the word regenerative associated with agriculture, and he only went back to 2006, which he figured was the first time that it had really been used, and he didn't know that we'd established CRA in 2002. So we really were ahead of the curve there. But it was Rodale that had come up with the idea and the co-founder for CRA was Steve Sprinkle, and he came up with the name and I ran the organization.
Speaker 1:How do you define regenerative? And my definition of regenerative simply is and it could be, whether it's in agriculture, in economics is that it gives back more than it takes.
Speaker 2:That's nice.
Speaker 1:How do you define regenerative agriculture?
Speaker 2:It's all about carbon in the soil, and so it's about increasing the soil carbon content, and that increases soil health and it's also a nature-based climate solution. So if you're taking carbon out of the atmosphere, then you're reducing the greenhouse effect and the double whammy is that's increasing soil health. So a clear and concise definition of regenerative agriculture would be practices which increase soil carbon content, and one of the main things that we've lost since the advent of industrial agriculture is accumulated soil organic matter, which is carbon, and, interestingly, we've become so new to hearing about NPK, but it doesn't mention anything about carbon, and a significant portion of the carbon in soils is alive.
Speaker 1:So I want to stop you there with NPK, because some people may not understand that, because I know for sure I did not understand that when I first heard it, when I was doing research for the book, and a rice farmer in Louisiana is the one who turned me on to that term because that is what conventional agriculture with fertilizers are interested in, right, nitrogen, potassium and what's the K?
Speaker 2:Phosphorus and potassium.
Speaker 1:This particular farmer who is one of many who are within the regenerative, organic agriculture space, who are looking well beyond the NPK but looking at the microbiology and what it takes to have the presence of organic matter in soil.
Speaker 1:And so for me, I came to soil through water because my question when I was writing the book was what, what kinds of foods can we eat to save water? And can I, one person, make a difference on water systems around the world with my food choices? And then that took me out to farms. And then every farm it really came down to soil, like what is the soil health? And there was this particular farm in Paso Robles, a dry farmer, a biodynamic farmer, which meant that he didn't use any irrigation on his land, which blew my mind because I didn't know that that was possible. And asking the question how are you not using irrigation?
Speaker 1:And it gets hot there in Paso Robles, actually, they get the same level of rain as Phoenix, arizona. And he's like it's all about the soil, it's all about these root systems. And he goes down to the ground and scoops up soil in his hand and he's like it's all here, this is how I do it. And his farming practices revolves around how does he keep that organic matter thriving so it can hold water which, I learned, up to 10,000 times more than soil that's been treated with chemicals, which then diminishes the microbiology. So that's how I got into thinking about soil and thinking about soil when I buy food and support regenerative agriculture, in other words, farmers who are building that soil health so that they're using less water and they're drawing down carbon and they're producing more nutritious food.
Speaker 2:Well, you know that organic certification is a recommendation to pay attention to. If you're trying to shop for to benefit the planet, then I think the simplest thing to do is to buy more things that are organic, that are certified organic. If you're buying things in a store, if you're buying them directly from the farmer, then which is ideal if you can look your farmer in the eye, then you can ask that farmer about their practices. And, interestingly, being certified organic is somewhat onerous. There's paperwork involved, there's costs involved and many small farmers that I know actually don't go through organic certification now or they let it lapse, because their base, their customers, know that their practices are organic and that they care for the planet and they're not using synthetic pesticides or fertilizers.
Speaker 1:So yeah, and that's. I'm glad you brought that up because the certification matters, to have the third party certification. When you're not standing in front of a farmer to ask. When the food ends up in the shelf of a grocery store, then it matters and I want to know what were the practices involved in growing that food, because I can't ask somebody there. But at a farmers market it becomes less important and oftentimes I know this is your, this is also your experience these small scale farmers are truly doing practices well beyond these big organic operations that we encounter at the grocery store.
Speaker 2:But I still think that is.
Speaker 2:It is an important thing to pay attention to is organic certification and acknowledging that small farmers may not do it, but if you're shopping in the supermarket, then that's a thing that you can do. That, I think, increases the chance of your money going to support something that is not destroying soil health. We still see it.
Speaker 2:I just was driving through Oxnord, actually coming back from a field trip with kids on a school bus which is kind of fun because you're up high and I wasn't driving so I got to look out the window and it was a windy day and I was watching the fields that were tilled and had no crops in them blowing away. I was watching the topsoil blow away and we had that with the dust bowl. We should be learning right from the dust bowl, and one of the kind of tenants of regenerative agriculture is no bare soil, don't leave your soil uncovered. No tilling is another thing, and so when you see the techniques of industrial agriculture, which involve repeated tillage and also the soil being laid bare when it is exposed to the elements, then it's no surprise that we're losing accumulated soil, organic matter, and that we're losing our topsoils at an alarming rate.
Speaker 1:So tell us, why does it matter if we lose our topsoil, and also if you can explain what is tillage.
Speaker 2:Why does it matter? If we lose our topsoil, then if you have erosion and you lose your topsoil, then you're losing your healthy component of the landscape that can support plant growth. And again, going back to the dust bowl and seeing what happened when there was just incredible tillage, which is turning of the soil with mechanical means, pulling a plow behind a tractor is tilling the soil, it's turning over the soil and that destroys the relationship that fungi in particular have in holding together soil structure. And you were talking earlier about healthy soils being able to accommodate more water. And that's because healthy soils will allow water to infiltrate, because there's air spaces in there and the structure of the soil is held apart.
Speaker 2:If you buy fungal hyphae by the threads of the body of fungi and if you till it, then you break up all those threads and you get soil compaction. It's a thing that folks often get confused about, because immediately after you wrote a till, a bed, it seems like, oh, the soil is all nice and fluffy, but what happens is it then compacts when you add water and it reduces the ability of water to infiltrate. And so a good test for healthy soil is how can I push a piece of rebar or a stick into the soil and if I can push that in six inches or a foot, then there's a good chance that that soil is fairly healthy. And then if I pour water on it and it disappears very quickly, then the chances are you've got very healthy soil there.
Speaker 2:If you can't put a stick into soil and you pour water and it just sits on the surface, then you've got compacted soil and that soil is not going to be, doesn't have air spaces, it's not going to allow water to infiltrate. Water is going to run over the surface, it's going to cause erosion. You're going to lose your topsoil or tilling and then it blows away. We don't want to lose our topsoil because that's what supports the plants and uncovering the soil means that it's prone to being washed or blown away. So we want to avoid those things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I liked the way you were describing it. It was what was coming to mind as a sponge, just like the sponges that we use in the kitchen, and how, when you look at that, especially if you look at it from the side, and you see those little nooks and crannies, those spaces and that is essentially what we want in soil and that you're saying happens because of the fungi in soil.
Speaker 2:They're a primary component of healthy soils that will maintain a structure, and they call it soil pads, which are like little particles of soil and there's air spaces in between those and that structure is destroyed by tilling.
Speaker 2:I remember a story in Davis about.
Speaker 2:They built this thing up there Davis Village Homes, which was a really farsighted community development, and the houses drained the water into a common area where they planted almonds, almonds and they measured water infiltration and in the first year it was something like a foot.
Speaker 2:They had their normal rain and water was able to infiltrate a foot, and then the next year it infiltrated three feet, and then the next year it was like seven feet and then the next year it was 28 feet, and so the transition to using organic practices does take time, so you can't really expect things to happen immediately and a three to four year period. If you're going from hard baked soil to really rich earthy loam that allows water infiltration, that could take three to four years. And that was the experience of apricot lane farms, who most people know by the film Biggest Little Farms, and so I talked to John Chester about it and he said that the biggest thing for them was trying to get cover crops to grow in what was a chemically managed citrus ranch, and the ground was rock hard and there wasn't much in the way of topsoil, because they used chemical fertilizers and pesticides to kill off plant life and to chemically feed the plants.
Speaker 1:But you're a consultant for that farm I consulted with those plants?
Speaker 2:yeah, for sure, and I have a lot of respect for what they're doing, because they really were instrumental in popularizing the techniques of regenerative agriculture as a means to give hope to people, as a way that they could act individually that was actually making a positive difference to our climate emergency. They took three to four years to be able to transition, to get cover crops established, and those cover crops are taking nitrogen out of the atmosphere and putting it into the ground. Instead of relying on chemical fertilizers, they're using natural fertility of the peas, beans and vetch that you can use to inject nitrogen into your soil, but it's the carbon content that's key, the organic content, and over a period of three to four years they managed to make their soils healthy. It doesn't happen instantly.
Speaker 1:For me. I like to think about it because, as a non soil biologist, as dirt versus soil, yes, that's good to do with that, so dirt Living soil.
Speaker 1:Yes, there's no microbiology in dirt and it's like standing on concrete. So when we're spraying on cropland, we're essentially creating these kind of proxy pavements, because when it does rain and we're getting bigger rain events when it does rain that the soil no longer has the capacity to draw the water downward and instead it spreads out on top and runs off. And then runs off with whatever is in that soil, which oftentimes are nitrogen and whatever was in the fertilizer and also in the chemical pesticides, and that goes somewhere. It just doesn't disappear. So it runs off into streams and then into oceans.
Speaker 2:That's one of the main detrimental effects of chemical agriculture is the effect on our oceans, because there's an oversupply of nitrogen fertilizers which run off from the land because they're not able to bind into the soils and they go off along with soil into the waterways and then they go out to the oceans and then you have this large amount of nitrogen that's in our waterways and in our oceans and that causes algal blooms that then use up all the available oxygen and then you have what they call eutrophication and it kills rivers.
Speaker 2:Riverside ecocide it's ecocide is what's happening there in all, because short-term profit doesn't care about the river, because it's an externality and it's not related to my business and my short-term profit is important. So it's a whole disconnect. And one of the nice things that about an ecology is that it aligns very clearly with indigenous knowledge, in that everything is connected. In ecology everything's connected. Digenous knowledge, everything's connected. So if you pollute the river, you're hurting yourself and that's something that indigenous people all over the world know. But we have to learn that. We have to remember that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, and irregardless of how far you live from the ocean, it will make it to the ocean, the water always will make it to the ocean.
Speaker 2:It'll affect your creeks and waterways. The way that we treat waterways so that they become concrete channels devoid of life that are waste channels. It's very sad and there's certainly movements like the LA River. There's people who are really trying to revitalize areas of the LA River and we're fortunate to have in Ohio to have free-flowing rivers in the back country and in the front country, but still we have where there's development too close to creeks. Then the creeks become concrete pathways because creeks meander and rivers move around and they flood and that's problematic if you've got a house built in the flood plain.
Speaker 1:Right, they swell and they contract.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's natural to move around and then we want to stick them in a concrete channel, and then that kills them.
Speaker 1:But then they're no longer able to feed underground waterways. Our groundwater supplies are shrinking as a result of this concrete and moving water out as fast as we can. Yeah, so gosh. I've really, really enjoyed this conversation with you. I've learned so much more about you and just the work that you've done and continue to do, and what a pleasure it is to have this conversation and to help us to connect the dots between soil health and what we can do as action steps.
Speaker 2:The other thing is to compost, because that's completing the cycle and instead of it being a linear process where you buy something, you use it and you throw it away because there isn't any away, we have to connect the circle, and so composting is something, again, that I encourage everybody to participate in. If you can't compost at home, then connect with a community garden that supports it. We have our local trash hauler is doing it because it's a state mandate SB 1383,. You have to reduce organic waste going to the landfill by 75% by 2025. Think about your waste stream, think about your waste. If you want to be an effective regenerator, then you have to make things cyclical.
Speaker 1:And as a kitchen activist, it's first to reduce the waste. To begin with, exactly Like not to have as much food waste, though, to your planning out your meals and shopping your kitchen first, so that, at the end of the day, you have less to throw away. Yeah, yeah, and I like that. There is no away.
Speaker 2:There is no way. That's right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So we need to think, we need to cyclical, cyclical approaches to design and then shop organic. Those would be compost and shop organic.
Speaker 1:Those are great tips for us today. Thank you so much, and before I leave, I just do want to say something about the compost tea party. Our next compost tea party is on November 8th and it has, in addition to a compost tea, where David brews tea for what? 12 hours or so it's not to drink overnight.
Speaker 1:And it is to boost the carbon in the playground at these schools in Rio school district, but also just as a way for us to open up the conversation and to build vocabulary and language around these concepts and bring them to a school campus that whole day and it just, and it keeps going. The momentum is built so much so on at the Rio school district that they've purchased just 10 acres of land that they are cultivating to be an organic, regenerative farm. And that language comes from us. It came from David and I doing that work and building that vocabulary for this school district.
Speaker 1:Whatever your talents are, as you're listening to this, we need all of us. We need all of us to take action steps, all of us to dream and take that passion for a better world and put it into action at your home and in your community. So I think you give us a great roadmap and inspiration on how to do that and how to take your passion. I didn't ask you a question. I like to ask this question of people who I have on it's what is your heart's desire? What is your heart's desire for this work?
Speaker 2:Well, it's all about the next generation, and so I mean, I had one student came out that that was a very good example. He was a sixth grader. He came out and he planted an oak tree and he was a bright boy. But he was bullied in the class and he came out and he said this is the best day, right, and he was planting something that was a gift to the future. He was giving something back and he got it and we got it.
Speaker 2:I had a I can't remember if I took the picture or his teacher took the picture, but we have this picture of him holding his and as a classic portrait that was painted of Charles Darwin when he was eight, and he's holding a plant and it's quite remarkable how similar this boy is with his tree and Charles Darwin. And the thought that I could have given a little sort of movement to this boy's development, this child's development, that would make him interested and passionate about planting trees, that was that was pretty huge for me. And so connecting with kids and having an influence on the next generation that's what teachers do and that's what I'm really passionate about is inspiring our youth to connect with nature and to understand and learn and be around nature, and that's really my life's work, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you have quite a legacy of work that you that's right is behind you and in front of you. I feel privileged to walk part of that journey with you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, thanks for for teaming up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we make a good team.
Speaker 2:It's a good thing. Thanks, Florence.
Speaker 1:So thank you so much. Thank you for listening and for the work that you're doing at home. Please, if you want to connect with me, you feel free to email me at info at eatlesswatercom, and if you want to connect with David, how can someone reach out to you?
Speaker 2:It's a long URL, but once upon a watershed is the name of the program that I run, and I'm David at onceuponawatershedorg and our website is onceuponawatershedorg. So, yeah, check it out.
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