Have you ever wondered how someone can pick up the shattered pieces of addiction and build a life of sobriety and success? Tune into episode 205 of Behind the Tool Belt where we get down and dirty with life's gritty challenges and victories. We're joined by Eric, who takes us on a riveting journey from his last days of drinking to his transformation into sobriety. Eric's story is raw and unfiltered - a true testament to human resilience and tenacity.
We then shift gears and throw light on how failures can be stepping stones to success. We interview an entrepreneur who used his grandfather's missteps as learning opportunities to build a thriving business. This conversation isn’t just about business growth - it’s about overcoming imposter syndrome, creating a dynamic growth environment, and the power of surrounding yourself with successful individuals. It's an ode to the incredible strength that lies in continuous learning and the power of positive influence.
We wrap things up by exploring the creation of a new men's group focused on fostering personal growth and connection. We talk about the joy of shooting pigs from helicopters and how fun, joy and personal development can coexist. This episode is a wild ride - it’ll make you laugh, think, and perhaps even shed a tear or two. We hope you'll be inspired to seek knowledge fearlessly, strive for personal and professional growth, and, most importantly, embrace life's journey with all its highs and lows. Stand by for an episode you won’t forget!
Have you ever wondered how someone can pick up the shattered pieces of addiction and build a life of sobriety and success? Tune into episode 205 of Behind the Tool Belt where we get down and dirty with life's gritty challenges and victories. We're joined by Eric, who takes us on a riveting journey from his last days of drinking to his transformation into sobriety. Eric's story is raw and unfiltered - a true testament to human resilience and tenacity.
We then shift gears and throw light on how failures can be stepping stones to success. We interview an entrepreneur who used his grandfather's missteps as learning opportunities to build a thriving business. This conversation isn’t just about business growth - it’s about overcoming imposter syndrome, creating a dynamic growth environment, and the power of surrounding yourself with successful individuals. It's an ode to the incredible strength that lies in continuous learning and the power of positive influence.
We wrap things up by exploring the creation of a new men's group focused on fostering personal growth and connection. We talk about the joy of shooting pigs from helicopters and how fun, joy and personal development can coexist. This episode is a wild ride - it’ll make you laugh, think, and perhaps even shed a tear or two. We hope you'll be inspired to seek knowledge fearlessly, strive for personal and professional growth, and, most importantly, embrace life's journey with all its highs and lows. Stand by for an episode you won’t forget!
Welcome back everybody to behind the tool belt, episode 205, and we have another great guest this evening. Stay tuned. Is your lead flow down? Whether you're a company owner, office staff, salesperson or installer, you're a roofing rock star. We hope you get more leads with custom SEO, google ads and a pro website. Welcome back everybody to episode 205 of the behind the tool belt. If you haven't liked, loved, subscribed, followed, go to your favorite listening watching platforms and check us out. Like us, love us, rate us, give us a review, hopefully a good review. Eric, how the hell are you?
Eric Oberembt:Good man, thanks for having me.
Ty Backer:Thank you for coming on. One of the things I love about this show the most is that it's live, raw and uncut, and our conversations are always off the chain. So Vic and I were having a little conversation about the rabbit holes and the out in the left field conversations that you and I have had and other people that are kind of in our position in life, and one of the topics that came up and I'm just going to dive right into this and hopefully I know that I can never make you feel uncomfortable and that's going back to like I love how this is live, raw and uncut. And you know we were talking about recovery, right, you know what it was like, how we got here and what it's like now, and any conversation that you and I have ever had, especially on the podcast, has kind of been like on the on the surface kind of. You know, never really got real deep down into it.
Ty Backer:But one of the things we were talking about was is like like that last day, right, or that week leading up to that last day that we decided today is the day I'm done being a piece of shit. So I never heard that part of your story of like what led up to that? Like what? What was going on in your life? Who did you screw over? What kind of trouble with the law were you in? Like what, what? Or did you not know that that was your last drink? And because they say, if you don't remember your last drink, you're probably going to repeat it again.
Eric Oberembt:That's fair. So mine's a little different. I've told this story before. Clearly, you don't watch any of my content, so fuck you. But no, I but.
Ty Backer:But I have like love and subscribe you have like, love, like and subscribe.
Eric Oberembt:So thank you, no. But so I told this story before. I don't know if I remember I don't know if I remember my last drink, necessarily, but I remember the day, I remember. So I got, I got pulled over right for my fourth offense felony DUI. We all know that story and I and I go to jail and for most people that would be the moment right, you know, I knew I was facing some serious consequences and for most people it'd be like man, I need to fucking clean up my act. And for me it wasn't. It was like I got out and I went right back to it because I was so distraught and I was like, oh my god, my life's over. Why would I? Why would I stop fucking doing something that can mask all the feelings and the emotions that I was dealing with at that time, right, and then I got, and then I got forced.
Eric Oberembt:We all know if we have problems with the law and drinking or whatever, you have to go do an alcohol evaluation right. So I go do my fourth alcohol evaluation right in 10, 12, 15 years and I go get this alcohol evaluation at a place called Valley Hope and I meet a guy named Mark. He's a counselor there and he tells me that I need to go to inpatient treatment and my response was no, no, no, I'm just trying to figure out what I need to do to like appease the judge. I was like so can I do like an IOP or like I'm like I got a mortgage to fucking pay man, I'm like I got a job and I got a mortgage. And how often do you hear that from guys that need help and need recovery and need to go to treatment? They're like I got a, I got a job, I got I got a house is like motherfucker, your job and your housing gonna be there if you keep going down this fucking path. But me, I'm that, I'm that alcoholic, right. And I was like no, I got shit to do and so I blew him off. I blew him off and I was like hey, I, you know, like I'll figure this out right. And so I went for another three months.
Eric Oberembt:Okay, I went hard for another three months partying, and I'll never forget he gave me his business card and in my living room I had my couch and then an end table right next to it, and this is long enough ago that I had a phone like a fucking phone sitting there, right, not my cell phone and I remember my card of Mark's card was sitting there and I would use Mark's card as a coke funnel. So I would fold his card up, chop up the coke and then use that to pour into the baggies right, I saved his card to use as a coke funnel. So I'm sitting on my couch one day and I look over and I see his card sitting there and I had this like moment kind of come over me and I was like fuck, and I picked it up. No joke, I, this, I remember. So actually I do remember my last. I picked up the card because I couldn't even read his name because there was so much coke and residue on it. So, of course, what did I do? I licked it, right, yeah, so I had to lick it off to clean it, so I could get a little dummy if I could get a little numbing, right, yeah, and I cleaned it off and I looked at it and I called the number on the phone and I said I think I'm ready and that was it.
Eric Oberembt:That was the moment I I knew that. I knew that I didn't have any other. I like I didn't have any other options, right, I either had to make a decision to go do something, and I didn't know what that looked like, but it was either go do that or go to prison. Right, two options were go to treatment, just see what happens, be willing to listen, right, be willing to listen, to shut the fuck up and listen, right, did I tell you? I'm making shirts to say that, by the way, I'm making be authentic shirts. We're gonna start a store and it's gonna have be authentic and it's gonna have shut the fuck up and listen. But I decided that I had to be willing to do something different, and I didn't know what that meant and I called them and I said I'm ready, and two days later they had a bed for me and I went to treatment, and so I mean, that was my last, you know, like lick of cocaine, I guess.
Eric Oberembt:But that was the moment that I had to have, like I wasn't even ready when I was laying in a jail cell with gout in my foot and I was 310 pounds and you know, to me a piece of shit wasn't even ready then. I wasn't ready until I had to have that moment, and I don't know why.
Ty Backer:Yeah, yeah, and that's that's what I'm talking about. Like that moment, like like what's going through your head and what led up to that. Like where you have that decision where do you go to try to score more, more coke and keep that run going right? Or where it's like you just decide where I'm just, I'm tired, I'm broke, I'm done, you know, ripping people off, I'm tired fighting. Yeah, fighting like that.
Eric Oberembt:I'm tired, yeah. I'm tired of fighting the fight, right. I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired, yeah. I mean I hate. I hate all the. I hate all the isms in recovery. But like, every single one of them is true and there's not one that's more true than I was sick and tired of being sick and tired. I was just a miserable fuck and I didn't. I didn't want to be a miserable fuck anymore, but I didn't know what that meant. Like I had no idea.
Ty Backer:I had no idea that this life was possible no, no doubt, no doubt, which kind of leads into the next question, or at least one of them. So you're, you're in rehab. Now, how long did you stay in rehab? Like 30 days 30 days 30 days. You completed it, you got out and you had all these dreams and aspirations and stuff like that. So what was going through your mind the minute you stepped out of rehab? Like what was your goal.
Eric Oberembt:I relapsed 14 days later.
Ty Backer:Okay, so you relapsed. You had another moment, right?
Eric Oberembt:Yeah. So I got out of rehab and I came home and I still had a roommate because I had blown my small little retirement fund, that I had to pay my mortgage so I wouldn't lose my house, and I had a roommate so I could afford my mortgage payment and he was still using and he was still partying every night. And that was really bad right, that was really hard. And I was doing okay, I was going to meetings, I was doing all right. And I had a buddy call me and say, hey, do you want to go have dinner? And I was like, yeah, I need to get out in the world again and talk to people. And you know, whatever, I had gotten some news that day that upset me about an X or something, and I literally use that as an excuse.
Eric Oberembt:And I went out. We went out and had dinner and he said, hey, do you want to run down to our old stomping ground and say hi to everybody? And we did and we sat down and within 30 minutes I said fuck it. And I ordered a order to vodka seven. Within an hour of that I had cocaine delivered to the bar and then by the end of the night we had an all night party at my house that went till about five o'clock in the morning. And then that was the moment because then I woke up the next day at about noon. Woke up the next day and I'll never forget this, never rest of my life. I walked up the stairs in my little cracker jack house, walked into the bathroom and I looked right in the mirror and out loud I said what the fuck did you do?
Eric Oberembt:And I was like you're done and that was it. And that was the last time I had a drink or a drug Like, but for whatever reason for me I had to have that moment.
Eric Oberembt:Yeah, and when I came home I had my, my old drug dealer came to my house and said, hey, what are you going to do? Are you going to do this shit? Are you coming back out with us? And I was like, give me a month. I said, give me a month to see how this goes for me and see if I like it, I go in, if I hate it, I'll call you and I'll be right back out with you guys. And literally looked at me and he was like, okay, cool man, okay, yeah, all right, I'll give you a month. And he did. And that was it. Like I mean, you know, most understanding drug dealer you ever met. But that was, that was literally. That was literally how it went and that that was why that was when I decided I was like you obviously can't handle it.
Eric Oberembt:Right, I was like you obviously are built different than other people and you can't, you can't just have one. It's just not how you're wired.
Ty Backer:Right, right, and I remember and I brought up this today with with Vic and I don't know if he heard that story or not, but my last moment it was it was early in the morning. I was on another run and I was supposed to be living in Wainsboro taking care of staying with my mom and that was her first bout with with ovarian cancer. So I had moved from York to Wainsboro to live with her. That was a frickin fiasco, according to her. I was there and I was taking care of her, but that was her just co signing my shit, because she was my biggest co signer, my biggest fan. But so I would run to York to work every day and this 1980 band, this all had left 1980 band, it was white, no air conditioning, no heat, none of that stuff.
Ty Backer:And I was at that time I was trying to get my oldest son in the rehab, so I had, dammit, I almost remembered the name of the rehab. I had a folder from them in my briefcase in between the two seats there and I pulled. I pulled the folder out and, mind you, this is probably like the sun's just coming up, so it's like 530 in the morning, and I found a phone number and I called that phone number and they answered the phone. Holy shit, I told them what's been going on. Hey, I need to, I need to get into treatment. Okay, we'll call you back. And it's about an hour drive from York to Wainsboro. And before I even got to my mom's they called me back and they were like hey, we'll be there around 1030 to pick you up. I was like, oh, wow, that's quick. Yeah.
Ty Backer:So I call my mom up and she lived above the bar. My family's owned a bar for for 30 years, so she lives above the bar. So I call her up like Mom, I'm, I'm coming home, I'm done, I just don't have any more juice in my legs. Can go down into bar and get me a 12 pack of yingling lager and if you have any of those Annie's, break out the Xanies for me, because I'm done, I'm coming and I need to come down. So she's like, okay, this again. My mom, biggest co-signer almost loved me to death. And I get there, I'm hammer and yinglings, I'm popping Xanies and stuff, and they give me a call. I get there.
Ty Backer:It's probably I don't know at this time, it's probably like 830 in the morning and it was my dad's birthday that day and I'm trying to hide from him. I'm back in my mom's room hiding from him, because he's there and he wants my help Because he's always doing something, is busy body, anyhow. They call me up and they're like hey, we'll be there in an hour. I was like Holy shit. So they, they came and picked me up. I called my PO, mind you, I was on parole at that time. So I called him up and was like hey, I'm going to rehab. And he was like Okay, that's fine. I was like but I got court next week, I got some pending charges. He's like oh, don't worry about it, we'll take care of it.
Ty Backer:So I go to rehab and I'm heading to the place that I went to the very first time. They had an adolescence side of it or department that I had went to when I was 13 years old. The very first time I went to rehab, I was 13. And so that was the first rehab that I've ever gone to and it was the last one. And I remember saying to myself that I'm actually going to complete this rehab this time. So I did a walk, I walked through that. I read the first 164 pages. I got like the client of the week award man, like I was just banging on all eight cylinders up there and fortunately I didn't relapse this time when I got out.
Ty Backer:But that's kind of like that last moment for me and I remember thinking to myself when I was laying in that bed and rehab that I know there's something better out there for me.
Ty Backer:I know that I'm a better person than this and I am just so sick and tired of letting people down and not doing anything with my life and just creating all this chaos in my family's life, my mom's life, my dad's life, my sister, my brother in law, because they tried to 12 step me and I was just creating all this chaos. But my question for you, eric, when you were laying in that I don't know, like that morning and you yelled at yourself in the mirror and you decided that that moment, when you got like a week or two or a month or three months under your belt, what were your goals and aspirations like? What were you going to do at that moment like positive in your life? Because you get like that pink cloud that you're on. So when you, if you ever experienced the pink cloud they call it the pink cloud. What was your momentum at that moment?
Eric Oberembt:So, honestly, like, my first year was my first year was really tough. I hid a lot from the world and I focused. All I did was focus on work and honestly, like and golf and so like, I would literally just go hit balls and and I would and I would work, and I think I was trying to, like, regain the trust of my grandpa because I had let him down. So much work wise, because I mean, I'd be coped out of my mind at six o'clock in the morning and go pick up a dump trailer and fucking haul it, you know, to the dump, like, and I couldn't even fuck, I was like one eye in it out the window, you know, like you know, with eight ton of fucking shingles in the back, right like taking it to a dump. And I think that first year I was I was trying to learn. You know my goal was my goal was to learn how to, how to be around people and not drink. I knew how to be around people and drink, but I had no idea how to be around people and not drink. And so I was blessed that I found a sponsor in my early sobriety and they always say, like, find somebody who has what you want right. And I found this guy who was younger. He was my age, maybe a couple of years younger than me, but he had like two years of sobriety. But this guy still went out and he still like met people, right. I mean, I was 30 years old, I was divorced twice, I was single. You know, like I wanted to be able to go out and socialize, but I didn't know how to do that because I was so scared and so full of fear of like what's gonna happen and I wanted to be like him. Now, what I learned later was that I didn't actually wanna be like him. You know, like I wanted to be. I wanted to figure out who I was, but I wanted to learn how to socialize right. I wanted to be able to date. I wanted to be able to do all the stuff that normal fucking people do. I had no higher aspirations in that right.
Eric Oberembt:After I put a year under my belt, then my mind started to unfog more, right. And then it was like, okay, now I wanna focus on growing the business and like helping my grandfather financially and like all of these things that he had done for me for so long. Then it became about how do I become a better version of myself in work? Right, because that moment that you had where you're like I know that there's something more for me, but I don't know what that is. I had that when I was young and I always knew that I wanted to do what my grandpa did. I always wanted to own the company. I always wanted to own a roofing company. Like I wanted to do that, but I knew I didn't wanna do it like him, as he worked really really really fucking hard, like physically, for a really really really really long time, like into his 60s, right, and I was like I really wanna know how to own a business and not own a job. And so like I literally kind of went on a mission to figure out how to do that right, and I think ever since then that's all I've been doing is trying to learn and absorb more. Because like we're just fucking, you know, like we're nobodies right, like we didn't I didn't go to college, I didn't.
Eric Oberembt:I mean I did. I went to college for like five years, but like I didn't graduate, you know, like I dropped out of fucking school, you know I did all those. You know like nobody'd hire me nobody fucking hire me, you know. So, like, what are you gonna do? You gotta fucking figure it out. And I didn't know how to do that. So I think that my whole journey after that became how do I, how do I? I almost had a me against the world kind of thing of like I'll fucking show you to all these people that doubted me. I knew that I was destined for more, but I didn't know what that meant, and I'm gonna figure out what the fuck. That is right, because I want one day I wanna have, I wanna fucking billboard with my goddamn picture on it. And they're like oh fuck, no, I didn't think that would happen.
Ty Backer:Yeah, yeah, I wanna talk about that a little more. That journey there and your grandpa I was kind of hoping you would bring that part of it, because that's the journey of what it was like how you got here, and then, of course, we wanna get into the part of like what it's like today. But that journey, that long journey, that vision that you just wanted to be a productive citizen of society, you wanted to be the best business owner that you could possibly be, and not necessarily do it to your grandfather's way. So what did you do to become a good business owner, a good entrepreneur? You know like? Were you listening to the podcast? Were you watching YouTube? Did you go back to school? Did you get a mentor? Did you get a coach? Did you do all the above? No, what did you do?
Eric Oberembt:I watched all the things that he did that I thought were wrong, and I tried to do the opposite.
Ty Backer:Okay.
Eric Oberembt:And I always feel really guilty saying that because he taught me so much. Right, but I really tried to take all of the negative things and the lessons that he learned the hard way and tried to figure out how to do the opposite of that.
Eric Oberembt:And then I went to my first conference, right. I went to my first conference and was like exposed to all of this stuff, right, and tried to figure out like oh my God, there's like softwares and technologies, and like I didn't know what the fuck a CRM was and you know like all of these little things, because I was the old school guy that had everything in a folder in my side door or my truck and you know what I mean. Like I had a printer.
Eric Oberembt:I had the mobile printer you know like sit in the back seat and fucking write in estimates and print them out, and like I had all that stuff and I was like I knew that that wasn't the way right, but at the time it seemed like the way right. And but then I did start doing those other things later. Right, I started doing these other things later because, like when I first started kind of running a company on my own, like we didn't have anything, it was literally just me and my grandpa right, and I had scurled away like 50 grand. Right, I had scurled away like 50 grand and I went and bought a property that had an office and a couple of outbuildings and so I leased the outbuildings to help pay for the property. And then I had this office building, like old piece of shit in the middle of Omaha, like I mean, not where you'd want to be, right, but I had this building. I'm like what the fuck do I do with this building? And I was like I guess I need to put people in it. And so like I was like okay, well, what can I hire? And so like I hired my first runner and then I hired a guy to do production and then I hovered over him for a year because I thought I was the only person in the world that actually knew how to do production right. And I hovered over him for a year and point, he still works for me today, the longest guy that's worked for me.
Eric Oberembt:But I started figuring out how to hire right. And then I got to a point where I was like okay, now I started looking for mentors a little bit and started opening myself up to some type of coaching, because I had been raised in the mindset of figure it out Right. And so I have this mentality of like well, I can figure that out, I don't need somebody to fucking tell me how to do something. We didn't have YouTube or any of that bullshit back then. Right, it was like, no, figure it out.
Eric Oberembt:He dropped me on the job site and be like do that. And I'm like well, how do I do that? And he's like I don't know, fucking, figure it out. I'm like, okay, and it might take me longer, but I'd figure it out. So it's a good skill to have, right, because I think that a lot of people in the younger generation have lost that skill of just you drop them off somewhere and say figure it out, but at the same time. There's so many resources out there whether it's coaching or masterminds or whatever. It is that, if you don't put yourself in those positions and surround yourself around people right, just me and you hanging out and having conversations spurs things in your mind that you didn't think about. You're like oh shit, ty did that, I can fucking do that. You know what I mean.
Eric Oberembt:And like then you start collaborating and you you know what I mean and like you start surrounding yourself around these higher level people. That was when my life changed, when I started surrounding myself around people who had either done more or were on the same type of journey that I was on, because then you feed off of that right and that was a hundred percent like my turning point of like, when my life changed and when I got a full-time coach.
Ty Backer:That was like four years ago.
Ty Backer:Yeah, and it's crazy because what you're talking about is what I think is called like success by proximity, right, Just by surrounding yourself around people that are either at a higher level or those that want to go to that level as well. Now, was there a moment where you felt like because I heard you say, you know, I'll figure it out Was there a moment where your ego was maybe holding you back from surrounding yourself around people like that, Because you thought maybe like what do they know that I don't already know or I can't figure out myself?
Eric Oberembt:No, it was more of an ego thing of I don't belong in that room and I felt I felt inferior. And I still have that today. I still have that today where I'll go into a room and I'm like what the fuck am I doing in here?
Eric Oberembt:Mm-hmm you know, and I have to like tamp that down and be like no, you know, you fucking belong here, like it's okay, like there's people in this room that look up to you for whatever reason. Right, excuse me, I Still deal with that today. I still and I know what and what's the term for that imposter syndrome.
Eric Oberembt:Yeah right and like I, definitely I still have imposter syndrome a hundred percent today. But it was more of it was more of that because I wouldn't want to ask questions and then show my ignorance to something and I didn't want to be found out. That was my big fear was being found out like ask some ask some stupid question. They're like you don't know that, right. I remember when I asked somebody what appraisal was for the first time I Don't know the fuck up, I I didn't know what appraisal was. I had no, I had no idea what appraisal was.
Eric Oberembt:So I would sit in rooms and just listen to people talking about it so I could kind of figure out what it was. So I could go do a little research on my own. And I was like, oh yeah, appraisal, you got appraisers and an umpire and they're like yeah, and I was like, tell me more about how yours went. And then I just let them tell a story and I was like, oh yeah, I had one like that too. I never fucking had one. I had no idea what the hell I was talking about, ever. But I would learn by proximity.
Eric Oberembt:Yeah, but I was always afraid, but I was still always afraid to ask yeah, right, and what I've learned is I've gotten older is like Fucking ask right like and especially, here's what makes it easier when you pay to ask.
Eric Oberembt:When you pay to ask, then you don't have to worry about ego, because the relationship is already built on. They have knowledge that you want and you're willing to trade them something for it. Right, I'm willing to trade you money to get your information that you have that I might not have, right, and so I've learned that that that type of transactional relationship is extremely healthy. Yeah, right, because I think that we're groomed to say that transactional relationships are bad.
Eric Oberembt:They are bad in friendships right but they're not bad in learning and growth. Of course right and you need, and people need, to be more open to those right, like because I've had a hard time, because I've given just free Fucking help for however many years.
Eric Oberembt:Right and I've had to draw a line in the sand a little bit and say, hey look, guys, I've got three other businesses that I'm running as well and so I'm putting a package together and if you want some of my time Because like it's taking time away from my daughter, is taking time away from my businesses that generate me revenue, like I need a trade here, so I need you to trade me some compensation for my time, right.
Ty Backer:Yeah, and for them.
Eric Oberembt:For the most part, people have been pretty respectful of that. And so that was why, that's why I started my group to help people, because I want to keep helping people but like Not in AA stuff, right?
Ty Backer:Just yeah, right yeah but like it.
Eric Oberembt:but in business stuff it's like we got to compensate for time but they get to ask me those questions that they might feel stupid Asking somebody else, Mm-hmm, but they're paying me to answer the question right right. So you don't have to feel like a dumb shit. Yeah it's all I ever wanted so.
Ty Backer:So to circle back on a couple of things here, um, I've read something a while ago and I think it's a Ryan holiday book that I read every morning. He has like a 366 day Uh, daily, whatever the hell, it is daily affirmation book. I'm pretty sure I read this in there and he talks about like creating most of it has to pertain to to children, your, your children, your family and stuff like that. But I also apply a lot of it to Business and how I treat other people. And he talks about creating a y atmosphere. He actually calls it a y child. You know, like encourage your child to ask why. And I think with our generation we were always told to shut the fuck up. You talk too much. So I think we were scarred at a young age, you know, and I remember sitting in school thinking I don't want to raise my hand because I'm going to be a burden or I'm going to look stupid. But then the older I got, I realized the person that's not raising their hand is the dumbest person sitting in the room.
Ty Backer:Yeah like I'm at the age now where it's kind of like I just don't have time to mess around and continue to be ignorant, because that's what it was. I was holding myself back, whether I knew it or not, because I wasn't raising my hand in the one thing and I'm probably not perfect at this, but I try to be as approachable, especially here at work or anyone, that way they feel like they can come and ask me any question and or make an error and they're not going to get scolded for because two, two things, right. They don't know what they don't know, so they need they need the answers, right. And the second thing is to people need to make mistakes in order to learn. So there's two learning things here. One I need to be open, I need to be present, um, and I need to be available, or somebody needs to be available to ask, answer questions, right, um. The other thing is, too, is to allow room for error. Like you have to allow room for error because, with all of the errors and mistakes that I've made, that I consider that experience right through through those trials, tribulations, the things that I've put myself through in the past, and that's a whole another topic, um, but all of these things that I've gone through, I have realized that this, this is experience. I've had more failures when we talk about this all the time than I have successes, um, but most of that you want to know what sucks. Most of that's because I was afraid to raise my hand, so I had to go through all that stuff. So what I'm hearing you say is you want to help people not have to pay the dumb taxes that you've paid, right.
Ty Backer:But also, what I want to touch on too, is the experiences that I've experienced in in the pain and things that I've put myself through the past. In the past, I feel like, have allowed me to also put myself in uncomfortable positions. Today, like you were talking about, like that, that imposter syndrome and stuff like that, because I've gotten Comfortable with and we talk about this is it's starting to become a catchphrase here, lelys is is becoming uncomfortable with being uncomfortable, being comfortable with being uncomfortable. Okay, so I always think to myself today and this is where I think we're those of us that that have had the past that we have have an unfair advantage because I can put myself more likely today into an uncomfortable position, because there is nothing that's as uncomfortable as that drive down route 15, calling my mom, telling her to get me two, two, six packs of yingling logger and calling a rehab like that's. That's really uncomfortable stuff. So what could be any worse than that today, especially going into a room of people that have gone places when I want to go today?
Eric Oberembt:Yeah, 100%, I think. The only caveat to that, because I've thought of that and I agree with you, because, like what, what can you do to me that I haven't already done to myself, right?
Ty Backer:Right.
Eric Oberembt:My caveat to that is I've got an eight-year-old daughter, and that's where my risk adversity Sometimes goes a little lower. Hmm, because I think wait, it isn't just me.
Eric Oberembt:Mm-hmm anymore right, and, and I and I put myself in that weird so like, then there's that. Then it comes back to that balance again. Right, because if it's just me, fuck, I don't care if I lost everything. I could sleep on a fucking, you know piss-filled couch, like I did for 20 years, you know like in some shithole, you know little shit box, but I can't let my daughter. Yeah, right, so like, as we get older and responsibilities change too, I think that that. I think that changes our mindset a little bit on that, if that makes sense.
Eric Oberembt:And that isn't and that isn't to say that to disagree with you, it's just uh.
Ty Backer:The difference today is is that your, your thinking, isn't as selfish. Either right, you have other people and you have other obligations. But your help, your thinking is much healthier today to make better decisions, especially when it comes to that form of gambling I call that sometimes with gamble and business right, but but your, your educated guessing is more brilliant than it was.
Eric Oberembt:Yeah, way more significant. Yeah. Yeah, we're definitely more likely to not crap out, yeah.
Ty Backer:For sure, for sure, okay. So you're working your way, you're up through the ranks on your grandfather's business, you're gaining his trust back. Let's, let's touch, let's touch on that a little bit more. Like, how long did that take before he was like, okay, I trust you again? You know, like that, was that six months? Was that 12 months? Was that three years?
Eric Oberembt:Not terribly long. He um, he came to me pretty shortly thereafter, maybe six months later, and told me, like you were a year away From me having to let you go, and I was like let me go. I'm like fuck you gonna do if you let me go, right, because I was very arrogant, you know.
Ty Backer:And I was like what do you go?
Eric Oberembt:like I'm the only fucking guy that does anything around here, um, but like, you got to that point, and that was when I that was definitely when I made that decision that I needed to keep moving forward. Right, if that makes sense, um, tell me the original question again um, I guess that like that, that.
Ty Backer:That. How long did it take before I guess your grandfather Started to trust you before he started? Yeah, I'm range over to you.
Eric Oberembt:Yeah, it was. It wasn't that much longer like it was. It was. It was a. It was less than a year to where he started giving me more responsibility and more responsibility.
Eric Oberembt:Um, he, I think he knew and he believed in me enough he was. He was my biggest cheerleader, right, he was my, he was my best friend. Um, he was the one person in the world that I could tell anything to Um that I could go to with with any problem or any Relationship thing I was going through or you know whatever it was like. And we would fight like fucking cats and dogs, like I mean we would motherfucker each other One day and then the next day literally like give each other a hug and say I love you, right, like that was our relationship. Um, and I've never had a relationship like that since. Um, and I think that's the one thing like there's nothing I miss more Then than that and you know, like that's the biggest thing that I miss of him. I mean I'm 44 years old and when I go back to Omaha, I still like go stop at the cemetery and like I just stand there for like 10 minutes and I cry. Right, I literally still stand there and fucking cry, um, because I miss that relationship, and so, like, my challenge to everybody is is, like, if you have that, do not fucking take it for granted, right, because there'll be a day where that wherever that person is for you Will fucking be gone. Or you keep fucking up long enough and they'll be gone, right, and you won't be able to Make the amends, you won't be able to say I'm sorry, for real, you won't be able to do the things that you need to do to show them that you changed my grandpa he got to see me change. He got to see me to start becoming the person that I was supposed to be.
Eric Oberembt:I got sober and beginning of 2010 and he passed away in 2015. So, like, he got to see five, five and a half years Of me being clean. Um, he got to see teagan born, right, so he saw that I was starting, that I was really starting a family and, like that, I was going to be a dad and all that stuff, and that I think that was what. That was what he wanted to see, and I think that's why he was able to let go when he was so sick at the end was because I think that's what he was holding on for right.
Eric Oberembt:But he trusted me implicitly, like we never had a deal on paper with the business. I literally just looked at him and and I said the business wasn't worth anything. So don't get me wrong. Like the business was worth nothing, right, there was no assets, fucking no customer list, it was just me going out and selling, right.
Eric Oberembt:And Before he passed away I was like, look, I'm gonna take the business, I'm gonna grow it. And and I said, and I will take care of grandma. And that was our deal, that I made sure that she stayed in the house, had all of her bills paid. And that's what we do. We pay all of her bills, we pay her mortgage, like we make sure that she's okay for as long as she's alive. And he trusted me enough that, like that was it. It was literally a hug and a handshake. And If I said that I was going to do something, I was going to do something five years before. That that's not what it meant, right? If I said I was gonna do something, I did not do it. Right, like I didn't. But today, if I say I'm gonna do something, I fucking do it. And then he saw that. He saw that he saw that in me pretty quickly. I think he saw that mental shift.
Ty Backer:Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. They do. They feel it for sure. So let's talk about the growth of the business a little bit and then get start going down the path of what it's like today. So when you talked about, when you said to your grandpa, I'm gonna grow this thing, what was your plan at that moment?
Eric Oberembt:At that time it was just I wanted to learn how to. We had just started dabbling into. So we're like a weird company. Right, I started doing commercial as a kid. Right, that was all he did. We had a truck and a kettle and we sold flat tar and gravel roofs.
Eric Oberembt:Right, when I was I don't remember how old I was, but like early 2000s, we had a couple of hailstorms in our area and I started selling residential roofs and was like, oh wait, I can sell these and then we can have a crew to them and I don't have to fucking put the roof on and like but you know, I didn't know that business model. And so I started growing that business model and I was like this is what I wanna do. I was like I wanna be able to grow a business where I have people selling and I have crews putting on the roofs and like this is how you really run a business. Right, I still didn't know what that meant. Right, I didn't know how to get the right insurance. I didn't know you know what I mean what an audit looked like. I didn't know you know any of that stuff.
Eric Oberembt:But I knew that that was kind of what I wanted to do, and I did that for five, six, seven years and I grew the business a little bit but while he was alive he refused to let us bring in outside people that weren't family, so I couldn't really go hire sales guys or anything right. So literally he had to pass away before I was able to really start growing the business and start hiring people. And then about five years after that is when I really realized how much I fucking hate dealing with homeowners, and so that was when I decided that I wanna get back into commercial because I really liked dealing with business owners, people that understand ROI and understand like math and business decisions and not like, oh that isn't gonna look pretty, you know? Or like you scuffed my fucking gutter apron. Oh my God, it gives us shit, right.
Ty Backer:Like so.
Eric Oberembt:I really I enjoyed having the more high level conversations, and so that was when I started transferring the business kind of into two divisions where, like, I have one team that's focusing on residential, because we need to do it, and then another team that kind of focuses on commercial. And so that was when I really started growing the company and like opening up in different locations. So we were in Omaha for years, we started an office in Des Moines, we had that for three or four years and did okay, decided to close that down, but we still sell commercial out there. And then you know, made the move to Texas and opened up down here. And you know, then this year I'm making another move. Right, I'm like I'm always changing stuff, especially in the winter. So we're doing another move where we are going to work with all of these partners that I have. Like I've got a huge network of partners of, like, public adjusters and first party litigation attorneys and stuff like that. I've got guys on my team that know more about commercial roofing than any of these guys. So we're going to make sure that we're licensed in six or eight states so that we can go travel and go sell commercial with our partners and help them out, find solutions, because we know how to do that. So that's our new. That's our new pivot. So my word for the year is pivot. Right, it's always pivot and figure out, like, if this isn't working, right, if this isn't working and that doesn't mean like you go knock doors for a week and the neighborhoods burn out right, it's like if we did this for six months or eight months and like this isn't working the way that we built it, we need to pivot. Right, what are we doing to pivot so that we can continue to operate a business?
Eric Oberembt:Right, so that's what we're doing. I'm just, I'm always pivoting. I'm always pivoting. Right, I'm trying to turn my business. Like I was going to pick your brain you saw the message I sent out in the revolt chat and I forgot to put the fucking call together but I want to turn my business into a 75% retail company.
Eric Oberembt:Right, I've been 80% storm res for the last 15 years. Right, I know how to sell retail, but I don't know how to teach it very well. Right, cause I'm just, I can sell, I can talk to you, I can make a relationship and I can show you why you need something and I can get you to do it, generally speaking, right If you need it, right. But really building a retail model, it's not really what we do, cause I live in kind of storm areas where people think that they don't have to pay for stuff, right, so like I'm going to rebuild that, right, but I'm still the guy that says, well, I can figure it out, I don't need to call Ty, right? And even though I know you run a super fucking successful retail fucking company, right, and I have no idea, you called me one day and asked me about storm stuff. I don't know, was that hard to call me?
Ty Backer:No, not at all.
Eric Oberembt:Right, but it was still hard for me to reach out, like it's such a fucking ego thing. It's such a fucking ego thing, cause it's hard for me to pick up a phone and ask for help at all. The fact that I'm sober today, dude, and that I asked somebody to fucking help me is absolutely ridiculous. It's insane that that actually happened, because I don't ask for help ever, but every time that I do good, shit happens.
Ty Backer:Every time.
Eric Oberembt:So like you, would think that I would correlate the two fucking things of like when I asked for help, good things happen, right, but what don't I like doing Asking for help? But it's like, well, hey, dumb shit. When you ask for help, good things happen. So why don't you do it more often? I don't know, because I've got an ego this goddamn big, I guess.
Ty Backer:You need to learn how to pivot your mind shift.
Eric Oberembt:Fuck I just when I start talking about it, though, like it frustrates the shit out of me because, like I know what I'm supposed to do.
Ty Backer:And.
Eric Oberembt:I know that people that are watching sit there and they're like they know what the fuck to do. And they still choose not to do it, for whatever reason it is and a lot of times it's ego. You go, fear For me, it's always fucking ego and fear.
Ty Backer:Yeah, for sure, for sure, you know, and, like I said, I guess you get to a point where it's you know me, I like I'm an instant gratification kind of person. So I think that's why I called you up. I asked you a couple of questions, but I think it was your CRM and Storm stuff. Twice. I called you a couple of times, a few times. Yeah, about things.
Ty Backer:And it's like because I need to know, we need to know these things, and I know you're not going to make fun of me, you're, then most people this is the thing they enjoy sharing their knowledge with people. Yes, you know what I mean. So if you would ever call me, it's like oh man, I would nerd out on it with you for a minute. You know what I mean and you're more than happy to share my experience, strengthen hope with you. And that's something that I think I struggle with. I think we all go through that.
Ty Backer:But it's like, at what point in time is the pain great enough before I actually, because I don't have six or eight or nine months to like figure this out on my own, you know, and it's like if I just picked the phone up and I call Eric, he's going to give me the answers that I need right now and I take what I need and I leave the rest, because, just kind of like we do. It's like you know, we're visionaries, we yeah, you told me one way. I'm going to probably use half of that, but I'm going to elaborate more on it and I'm going to build on top of that, because if you're doing it, I know I can do it and we're going to do it better, because or throw our spin on it and put our fingerprints on that, on whatever the case might be, but that's a great. That's another great topic right there, like reaching out. You know reaching out for help, but okay, so let's get back on track here a little bit.
Eric Oberembt:So, great.
Ty Backer:no, that's okay, your grandfather passes away.
Eric Oberembt:You told him you know what?
Ty Backer:I'm going to grow the business. I'm going to blow this thing up. I'm going to take care of grandma, you know, until the day comes that she doesn't need to be taken care of anymore, and okay. So we're here today. So today I hear you talking about you're going to pivot to a different direction. You go to a retail model. You're hooked up with a bunch of attorneys. You're going to start getting licensed in six or seven states doing commercial work. Okay so, and then you're also developing a cult-like culture. What are you doing? A mastermind, a call? Tell us a little bit about that, yeah, that's a good question.
Eric Oberembt:So I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. So I had this vision about a year ago that I really wanted to do this underwater mastermind group for people that love to be in the water and love to scuba dive like I did, and I didn't know what that looked like. So that was my first idea, right. And then I realized I had come up with this concept of the team method, right, of how to create a cult-like following inside of your company by utilizing the team method, by instilling trust, empathy, authenticity and meaning into your people. And I didn't realize that that was like how I taught and how I led. And when I realized that I did and again, I didn't have any of these revelations before my coach right, my coach taught me that this is what I did. So I started doing these keynotes and speaking about it and I got all this amazing feedback and I had people who were like, man, I took fucking notes when I started implementing this and blah, blah, blah, and I was like, well, what else do I do with that? Because you can only go on so many stages and tell the same speech so many times, right, or change it a little bit and get on another stage, and I was like I need to. I want to be on a bigger. I wanna be able to help more people, right? So I decided to start this culture movement for people that are of the same mindset that the people in their company are the most important thing in the company. It's not the client, it's the people, because the people are the one that are touching the client. And if we build this certain culture inside of our company of trust, empathy, authenticity and meaning, and we build these things inside of our company, all the other stuff is gonna take care of itself.
Eric Oberembt:So I built out a group and we started selling memberships for it, and so we do group calls twice a month. Starting in January we're starting another. We're gonna have two other calls a month that are gonna be Ask Me Anything calls. So, on the two group calls, I literally run a fucking AA meeting, ty and I bring a topic and I talk about it for like 40 minutes and I told everybody I'm like guys, I'm gonna run this like fucking AA meeting, because that's how I know how to run calls and I bring a topic and I talk about it, about culture, whatever it is, and then we go around the room see how we can help everybody. And then for the guys that really wanna dig in because there's guys that, like you, can only get so much in a group setting and then for the guys that wanna dig in, I'm gonna offer private coaching for those guys. So I've got a few guys that have already signed up for that and some of them wanna talk roofing. That's fine, I know a lot about roofing, right. Some of them just wanna talk about culture, some of them wanna talk about personal shit, whatever it is.
Eric Oberembt:But I'm spending that time and then, if you're already in that group, you get first ride of refusal to go on our trip.
Eric Oberembt:So our first trip is gonna be in April and we're going to Grand Cayman and I put my dream together of putting together a group of men to stay in a fucking 11-bedroom mansion on the ocean and my brother-in-law lives there.
Eric Oberembt:We've got a boat chartered for three days where it's just us and we're gonna go out on the boat, dive, we're gonna do some trust exercises and we're just gonna be with each other. It's not gonna be fucking days of content and speakers and all that kind of shit. It's gonna be us sitting out on a veranda connecting and getting to know each other better and smoking cigars, and I'm gonna have a private chef there eating amazing food and then get up in the morning and go dive and go do whatever it is that we're going to do to have the experience. Because how do we bond? We bond through experiences or trauma or exercising or exercises or whatever it is, and I wanna facilitate that because I had other people facilitate it for me and it changed my life. But there was always moments where I was like man, if this was mine, I'd do that or and not saying like what they were doing was wrong or not good, it was just man, I'd love to put my spin on this right.
Eric Oberembt:So that's what I'm trying to build right now and put that group together to facilitate that and just have a group of a small group right. I don't want it to be more than 12, 15 dudes, because I want it to be super intimate so that we all get to connect and really feel like we're doing that growth together.
Ty Backer:Man. I love that. That's good stuff and no one's doing anything like that either. And I know who you are and I know you're not doing it for the money, you're doing it for the impact, because I heard you say like, how can I reach more people, how can I get my message out there and not to keep kicking this dead horse? But do you think your grandfather inspired something like that in you? Cause I was thinking earlier when you were talking, like that connection that you had with your grandfather and like that love that you guys showed from for each other. Do you think a lot of that or some of this, that what you're trying to do today was that one of the lessons that maybe you learned and didn't realize that you learned it to motivate you to want to be this person?
Eric Oberembt:I think that I've been searching for that for so long and I never felt like I belonged in any group, right. So, like I love the group that we're in, right, I love revolt.
Eric Oberembt:I loved the circle that I was in with Sam Taggart, right, I still never felt like I still never felt a part of I've my whole life. I've always felt like an outsider in every group that I'm ever in, right, and I don't know if it's because I rubbed people wrong or what it is exactly, but like, I've always felt like an outsider. And I never felt like that with my grandpa because I felt like him and I were always it was us against fucking everybody, right. And so the only time I've ever really felt part of is when I made something of my own right. It was why we started Roofer's in Recovery, and so I was like I want to start something that I can hopefully give the people that are in the group that feeling of belonging that I yearn for so much, and if I can give them that, then I fucking won right.
Eric Oberembt:Then I fucking won Cause, like you said, I ain't doing it for the fucking money, right, like the money I fucking charge barely covers my fucking time, right, I am not getting fucking rich doing this, but there has to be a trade, because people don't show up and don't participate, right, if you don't have some kind of investment, right, they just don't. So that's why I'm like I'm not gonna stop being in my other groups, like I love it. I get so much out of it. It's just I want something of mine that's a little bit different, right, and I don't know, and I want to do the stuff that I love, right? I love fucking scuba diving.
Ty Backer:Love it right.
Eric Oberembt:You know what else I love doing Shooting fucking pigs out of a helicopter. Fucking love that right. That's what we're gonna hopefully do in the fall right.
Eric Oberembt:Everybody that joins. We're gonna go fucking shoot pigs with an AR out of a helicopter, right. We're gonna go shoot them at night with scopes and shit, right, Like that's awesome. And so we're gonna do shit I like to do. You know what we're not gonna do? We're not gonna go rent Lamborghinis and fucking drive around town. You know why? Because I don't fucking like to do that. So we're not gonna do it, right? So the people that align with the things that I like to do.
Eric Oberembt:that's who's gonna be attracted to it. It's not for everybody, right? I'm not trying to get everybody. I'm not trying to get 500 fucking people in it. I'm trying to build a little community of like-minded people that you know. Like, some of them are gonna be sober, some of them aren't right. Like it is what it is. I don't wanna allow fucking drunks in. You know that are a pain in the ass, but like I don't care about any of that. I just want you to be. I want you to be and to be there so that we can grow together and we can have a connection, and maybe it can be a semblance of what I had. I think that's a really good insight that you had, because I never really thought about it like that before, and I think that you're right, though I think that there's, I think it was inspired from that.
Ty Backer:I don't know if it was taught, but it was inspired from that, for sure, for sure, and I see where you're going with it, because you wanna create that comfortable atmosphere. And I know I heard you say like it's because of the shit that I wanna do, and that's not necessarily true either. I mean, yes, I'm sure it's inspired by the cool things that you wanna do, but you also wanna create that comfortable atmosphere where people aren't afraid to ask questions and are willing to go down those deep, dark secrets of like and have that atmosphere of like I can go here and ask Eric or any of the other guys that are in this group with me what I think is a stupid question, because I think, like you said, I think with us growing up, I think we were told to shut up so much. We're afraid to ask why, because we're afraid people are gonna think that we're stupid because we're asking questions and it's like there's not enough of that. Like groups, yes, revolt has been life changing for me to be around those group, that group of people, and yes, I feel like I've had impact on that. But to have something, like you said, that's yours and you're doing things like, when you go to things like that, you're like if this was my thing, I would have did it a little bit differently. Hindsight's always 2020, but what's cool about it is, eric, is that you've put yourself in a position today, right, to not just make yourself successful, but your family and those that work for you. Like you said, that guy's been with you for over 15 years. Right, like you've impacted so many people's lives and this is what's crazy so many people's lives that you don't even know.
Ty Backer:And what's crazy is is there's people being impacted that have no idea where that impact came from. And that's kind of like the catch 22 of legacy, right, even if someone did come to work for you and they were there for three years, they're a different human being, and I think about this weird shit, right, if they came to work for us, they came as one individual, but they came through our program, our organization, and they left. But when they left, they left as a different person, right, and they went out and did whatever it was either went to go work for somebody else, or they were inspired to go and start their own thing. And this is what's crazy they're never gonna give you the credit, or the organization the credit, of the things that they learned and how, as a human being they changed. All I can hope for is that they go out, they make $100 million and they impact just as many people, or if not more, than what we're trying to impact today, and we don't need the credit I don't need to take the credit for that but what's crazy is is the people that they're going to impact have no idea where that impact originated from.
Ty Backer:I just had that thought probably a month ago. I'm sitting there thinking about it. I was probably going through something I was like you know, that's the catch 22 of legacy Like legacies aren't always identified, right. Like if I died today and there's people in Uganda that are probably being impacted by us visiting Uganda a month ago, right, that don't even know where that impact came from.
Eric Oberembt:And I got.
Ty Backer:I have to be humble enough to continue to keep impacting people and know that they're not even going to know that we're impacting them. Correct yeah, and that's hard it is, it is.
Eric Oberembt:That can be hard, unless you have to become OK with that.
Ty Backer:Yes, yeah, and I'm totally down with it, and I know you are too. That's why we gravitated toward each other. The first moment I feel like we met each other was kind of like man, this is a cool dude, and I'm pretty sure you felt the same way. But pick up the phone more often, dude, and call me. Ok, can you call the?
Eric Oberembt:fucking worst.
Ty Backer:I think the worst with the car every single day. I think that lasted maybe two days.
Eric Oberembt:Or is that one two?
Ty Backer:weeks Might have lasted a week.
Eric Oberembt:Oh no, didn't even last a week, no chance yeah. Now, now I'm the worst.
Ty Backer:You should stay in touch more often. One, so I can answer those stupid questions that you might have, ok, two, just to stay in touch with each other, because I might need you more than you needed me at that moment, I know. But what a great episode. A lot of people in here watching, a lot of good people. Hopefully everybody got something out of this. It was a little different tonight I think of an episode, but it always is when Eric's on the show, and that's what's cool about Live Raw and Uncut. We did not discuss this, rehearse this, or I did not give him a list of questions that I'm going to be asking him. He didn't give me a list of questions that I should be.
Eric Oberembt:Yeah, I didn't know what the fuck we were going to get into tonight.
Ty Backer:Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's what's cool about this. I was excited to find out, yeah, yeah yeah.
Eric Oberembt:I love these conversations. That's why I have never, the minute that you texted me, it was always yes. I say no a lot. I say no a lot to people. Now I've learned to say no and that is never something that I think, either you or I. Because of what you said, because we know what each other cares about, like, we know that our intention is to impact others and it's to make a difference in the world and to do something different. And it's not just about the car, it's not just about the attention.
Eric Oberembt:If I can fucking leave one fucking thing here sorry I'm going to rant, but if there's one thing that it drives me crazy and I wish that people would really hear what we're saying is that when you do things for genuine purposes, to genuinely impact and to genuinely help people, and you're not doing shit just to get attention or just to get engagement or just to get fucking comments or fucking whatever it is, people can see through that shit. Figure out what you're fucking passionate about. We're all passionate about something. If the only thing you're passionate about is engagement and likes, fuck off. Figure out what you're passionate about and then be passionate about that so that you can impact and you can help all these other people that might also be passionate about that. I don't care if it's about fucking dogs. I love dogs, cool. Then be passionate about that, so that all these people that love the same thing as you do, you can group together and impact more people.
Eric Oberembt:Stop worrying so fucking much about what type of engagement you're getting and the people that drive me crazy. You see it on the stories and they'll put a picture of fucking two tits hanging out of a shirt just so you can get to their second story. That is whatever they're selling to that guy. Whoever that guy is asshole, but figure out. You probably know who it is too, don't you?
Ty Backer:I think so yeah.
Eric Oberembt:Fucking hate that guy.
Ty Backer:But you still got to click and look. It works.
Eric Oberembt:Yeah, it did, but it makes me angry every fucking time. Every time it's like are those really tits? No, not tits, Fuck. But I wish people would hear what you're saying. I wish people would hear what you're saying of be passionate about something and get that out into the world, because then you're going to really be doing something. And I'm not perfect at it, I'm not great. I got to look in the mirror every day and be like, hey, why are you doing this? Are you doing this because you want to help people or because you want people to pay attention to you? Check your fucking ego at the door for a minute, because you'll go down a path where you get a lot of people yesing you to death. And that was amazing and that was great. And all of a sudden that fucking ego starts getting real big again and you got to tamp down a little bit once or once. So anyway, I'm sure that'll piss some people off.
Eric Oberembt:So if I didn't do your show and I didn't piss somebody off. It was probably going to be a disappointment to a lot of people, so I figured I'd end it that way for you. So you're welcome.
Ty Backer:Thank you very much and thank you for everyone for hanging around and listening to us Jibber Jabber about the stuff that we love and that we're passionate about. And you're absolutely right. It's like you've got to make sure your motives are right. It's about the impact and that's kind of how I. That's what makes me not nervous to get on a stage or get it in front of a group of people. It's not.
Ty Backer:None of this is about me. It's what can Vic get out of this? What can anyone out here listening maybe there was somebody struggling and they're like man. If those knuckleheads can do it, we can do it too Kind of thing.
Ty Backer:And that's the whole point of doing the podcast or any kind of engagements, speaking engagements or whatever, or even the positive post that I post. It's not about the likes, the comments, the loves and the shares and all that stuff. It's really about we're human. We go through shit too, but I'm here If you need me, I'm here. I'll always be here. In my intentions and Janna is a good one to help keep my ego in check to make sure are my intentions to do this, this topic, that speaking engagement or whatever. But when we were at RoofCon, I would be lying to you if I told you I wasn't nervous about my breakout or even being up on the main stage for the 8-Figure CCO. But I tell you, what happened to me was I was sneaking upstairs to go to the bathroom because I'm a weirdo like that and when I came out of the bathroom Did you have to take a shit.
Ty Backer:I had to take a shit, yeah.
Eric Oberembt:Oh, OK, all right, Then I get it. I get it all right.
Ty Backer:So, instead of running across over to the hotel, I found a nice little private bathroom upstairs. So, anyhow, I came out of the bathroom and I saw these two kids and they had their I don't know if it was a revolt notebook or whatever notebook that they had and they were both reviewing each other's notes. Man and I was like that is why we're here, this is why we're here, because of those two kids that I don't know if they're brand new entrepreneurs or if they work for a company, but that's why we were there. We were called to be there to spread our experience, strength and hope and our knowledge and get the message out there and improve the industry, because that's where it's at. I mean we have, I feel like we're making a change. We're making a difference from that old school mentality of any kind of trade. Like we're trying to make it a better and make it into a career and take care of families and change lives is what we're doing, and this really has just become like the vehicle for us to be able to do what it is that we're so passionate about, because of an experience that we had with a loved one from previous life. You know what I mean. Because, like, that's why I asked you that question earlier, not to go off on a tangent here but my mom, when she passed, there were some big shoes there to fill.
Ty Backer:Instead of me boohoo and falling into a dark place, I picked that torch up, man, and I ran with it 10 fold. You know what I mean. It was like we're going to do this, this and this. She was involved. She devoted half of her life to charitable events and just doing all kinds of incredible things and it's like, you know, like, and she drug us kids everywhere with her Santa's breakfast, the exchange club, the red hat ladies, the Scarlet ladies, the Chamber of Commerce, like all of these events that she organized at her own expense, just to make an impact on the local community. And it's like, dude, what we do is just a drop in a bucket compared to those that came before us. That showed us the way that, like, this is. None of this is about any of us, it's about everyone else. We were here and put on this earth to serve. Bottom line and end the discussion.
Eric Oberembt:You know, I had that same moment at RoofCon, by the way, when I knew why I was there. Right, I wasn't there to film podcasts, I wasn't there to fucking meet somebody. I wasn't there to, you know, the network or whatever it was. I don't know if you heard about this, but when I did my breakout, we did a little exercise and I made them turn off all the cameras and all the mics so that nobody would feel uncomfortable sharing, and we made everybody in the room share and be vulnerable and at the end of it, there was a woman that stood up and literally shared about how she was abused as a child. And I don't know if that's something that she normally talks about, but like she started crying and literally told the story to a room of I don't know how many people fit in those rooms 150 people, maybe 200 people and it was full, like it was back to the wall standing room and she shared that story with everybody in that room because we were connecting right and I walked out of that.
Eric Oberembt:I walked out of that and I was like, and I remember I walked right past Hunter when I walked out and I said, hey, man, that's why I was supposed to be here, just so you know, that moment, right there is why I was supposed to be here, that's why I was here today, like that made the whole trip worth it, right there, because that happened so, and that, to your point, is what I wanna facilitate more of with us, with our friends, with our groups, with everything right. I wanna be able to facilitate more of that, because that's how we get to connect as humans, right? That's why we're here. We're not here to just live, work and die. We're here to figure out how to connect with these other humans. And so I will commit to doing better at calling you, and you will fucking do the same thing, because you're not any fucking better, I know so.
Ty Backer:Thank you for bringing good points up, yeah.
Eric Oberembt:I'm gonna do better at that because I care about it right. I care about our relationship. And people out there should do the same thing. They've got people that they care about that they don't make the effort and, like we, need to continuously make that effort for the people that we care about and I care about us.
Ty Backer:For sure, for sure. I'm glad you brought that up because I meant to ask you about your breakup, because I heard everybody was talking about it, the yarn that you had to connect everybody, it was just. It was deep stuff and I sadly regret missing it. I don't know what our breakouts may have been at the same time, I don't know, but something I missed somehow. I missed it, but anyhow, I'm sure at some point in time I'll get to see it.
Eric Oberembt:Hopefully I get to see it, but if not, I just Well, maybe, or you could come to Cayman, because we're gonna do the same thing there.
Ty Backer:We might, I might, you never know.
Eric Oberembt:Okay, there's no we. This is a men's only thing. Jana's gotta stay home.
Ty Backer:That's okay.
Eric Oberembt:Yeah, okay.
Ty Backer:Yeah, she's watching so sorry, Jana.
Eric Oberembt:I'd love to have you, but no women on this one.
Ty Backer:No women, no good stuff. Another great episode, Eric. Always a pleasure. We're gonna stay in touch. That's a promise we're gonna make to each other, and thank you everyone for tuning in. Like love, subscribe to our other platforms Spotify, YouTube, Google, Apple, all that good shit. Check us out on the replay Cause this was a banger that you should probably listen on the way to work tomorrow morning and at lunchtime and on your way home from work. So, anyhow, love you guys. Thanks for tuning in every week and we'll catch you next week for episode 206. Have a good night.