Behind the Toolbelt
Behind the ToolBelt is a live, raw, and uncut podcast that brings real, unfiltered conversations about business, leadership, and the entrepreneurial mindset. Hosted by Ty Cobb Backer, CEO of TC Backer Construction, this live show features leaders, innovators, and experts sharing their experiences, strategies, and insights. From building successful companies to overcoming professional and personal challenges, each episode offers valuable perspectives for entrepreneurs and business owners and leaders looking to grow, and make an impact.
Behind the Toolbelt
300 Episodes: Lessons in Leadership and Personal Growth
We celebrate a major milestone—300 episodes of Behind the Tool Belt—and reflect on the journey from our basement beginnings to building a community that spans across the country.
• The podcast started as a way to promote charity events and share insights about roofing, but evolved into a platform for personal development and leadership
• Consistency has been the key to success—showing up week after week regardless of circumstances or feelings
• Intentional communication changes outcomes—choosing to say something is "different" rather than "it sucks" keeps your mind open to possibilities
• True leadership means recognizing it's no longer about you—you're providing resources and momentum for others to succeed
• Creating processes (SOPs, KPIs) works best when built on a foundation of strong culture
• The podcast has forced growth through better listening, speaking, and challenging personal comfort zones
• Future plans include hosting a Behind the Tool Belt event in 2026 and expanding coaching for contractors
Thank you to everyone who has listened, shared, commented, and been part of this journey. The next 300 episodes will be even better as we continue building people, growing our community, and pushing the industry forward together.
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Welcome back, everybody to Beyond the Tool Belt, episode 300. I'm your host, Ty Cobb-Backer, and thank you for joining us on this Wednesday edition. Stay tuned and we will be back after our short intro from our sponsors.
Speaker 2:Welcome to Behind the Tool Belt where the stories are bold, the conversations are real and the insights come to you live, raw and uncut. Every week, host Ty Cobb-Backer sits down to bring you the stories, the struggles, the lessons learned and the wins. No filters, no scripts, just the truth. Please welcome your host of Behind the Tool Belt, ty Cobb-Backer.
Ty Cobb Backer:Hey, hey, hey. Welcome back everybody to Behind the Tool Belt belt. Today is officially episode 300, 300 episodes. Wow, I know it's crazy, it is, it is. It's crazy, you know. And what's even crazier about all this is oh man, we've done so many podcasts we haven't even counted.
Chris Markey:Now Wait, that 300 doesn't include. That's not all of them.
Ty Cobb Backer:That's not all of them. Now, this is our weekly. The 300 is weekly.
Chris Markey:Weekly. You're not counting when you were at shows. Yes, exactly Craziness dragging the whole set around.
Ty Cobb Backer:Across the country, all over the place and interviewing tons of people, great, great conversations across the country. I mean just and and here and our guest, you know that have that have came on here and and you know, we, we started the show. It was it was just an idea and it was a way for us to promote our charity events, to share what we are learning about roofing, construction, leadership and life. And now here we are at episode 300. 300 episodes later, with listeners from all over the country and shit, probably some people all over the world Incredible guest, some people you know, all over the world incredible guest. A community that has grown bigger than I would have ever imagined.
Ty Cobb Backer:You know, this show has never it's never been about roofs or roofing. I mean, we did, we used to promote, you know, we'd have gutter week and stuff like that when we were running out of content and, uh, it started to take hold and things were different algorithms, the reach was a lot further and we could reach a lot more people and it's always been organic and you know it's always been about people, the people you know. A couple, few years ago we started to pivot more into, you know, personal development and leadership and building teams, building communities and and, uh, that's, that's what we talk about today mostly, and not not just building roofs, but, you know, building people and you know, today, today, you know, man, I can't, I can't even believe how, how consistent you know we've been with this and it goes back to, you know, the Shane to Gary days. Chris, you were, you were there.
Chris Markey:Yeah, I was like show five or something in Shane's basement and it was early.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah, it was early.
Chris Markey:That's what we talked about. Sports, well, yeah, and how it. Coaching, yeah, but it's been. It's been a lot. It's it's been a lot, it's fun to watch. It's become part of my repertoire. I just told you earlier that driving around listening to things, some of the nonsense that goes on, other stuff, it's kind of nice to have something to be able to reflect on that's a little more local or has a little more feel, that is directly, um, that I'm. It's more intentional to me.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah, not only because I was there with you, but you know you guys are friends and our businesses kind of have yeah, grown together yeah and, uh, you know so it it has a little more, and I'm more intentional about watching it and listening to it yeah, and it's funny you talk about intentionality, because I think I feel like we've gotten a lot more intentional about our topics and stuff and there were some episodes where it was all just a bunch of grab ass and and I think a lot of that was just because we were running out of content, you know, and things to talk about. And I think we were running out of content, you know, and things to talk about and I think we were afraid to repeat things and stuff like that. And the more that I've dove into this and of course it has helped build me tremendously, it has turned me into, helped me become a better listener, a better interviewer, better father, better parent, better better partner husband you know from from a lot of our guests, you know, and, chris, you played a huge part in all that stuff that I just mentioned too because of our, you know, we're we're not we're not communicating as as much as as we used to, but a daily there used to be a daily. We'd exchange books, you know, titles and authors and things like that and that have helped me grow and I I talk about those books a lot on here still, I still and I still read them like a yearly thing. You know, the john gordon books and, uh, the patrick lencionis and, and I mean the list just goes on and on and on and and, because of me wanting to be better, a better podcaster it is.
Ty Cobb Backer:It has forced me and pushed me, you know, to to study more, to learn, to, to continue to keep learning and and push myself and, and usually today, anyhow, when we do a podcast, it's usually right where I'm at, what am I learning, what am I studying right now? What have what have I, you know, discovered? And I want to, I get excited about wanting to share that with people. And it is also, I believe, helped, you know, concrete and galvanize our culture here at TC Backer and Brian said to me the other day. Brian Good said he must have told Lee Lee manages our Greenville location. If you ever want to know where Ty is in his head and what he's going through, just listen to one of his podcasts. And it's cool that our team members have jumped on this train and really helped push us and promote this thing and they were our biggest viewers and still are today our biggest fans a lot of the people in this building today and since we've started this we've opened up multiple locations and now those, the reach and and I hope not not just for our team, you know, but but for anybody listening to this I'm hoping that we're we're making an impact on somebody's life and, like you said, chris, it's.
Ty Cobb Backer:You know the reminders and I don't, I don't mind repeating myself. You know certain taglines or you know comments week after week, because I know for me when I'm listening or reading. You know, especially the podcast. If I'm listening to somebody and it could be Ed Milet, it could be Pedro Koolian, it could be, it could be anybody and I've noticed by listening to them and me trying to take up some of their technique and create my own technique too. So I'm studying other other podcasters, other speakers, and and and how. But more importantly, my point was is that they, they, they tend to repeat themselves. They'll say things week, week over week, and, and maybe not every week, but I'm grateful that they did because I'm I could have been doing something, I could have been distracted. I didn't understand what it meant the first time that I heard it. So I don't get so hemmed up on on repeating myself, especially if it's something that I really want to emphasize or if it. It falls along the lines of my principles and my values.
Chris Markey:You know that goes for books too. So like your car, right. So you know, I haven't listened to this book a while and you can kind of go through each chapter and then you get the one and you're like, hold on a second, let me go back, let me listen to that one again. Yes, you know I do that, I do it a ton and the, but it's great to have those resources to go back to. I think I think for all of us's um, it's a change. I think the last time I was here we talked about the change in in in our business and us, you. You moved into a new building. I moved into a new building. There was processes and procedures. How are we going to do this? And then it comes to this first time in my new building where I thought we're finally going, or you're like we're finally going and tears hit, or the market kind of changes, yeah, or something like that.
Ty Cobb Backer:Covid, well for you, yeah you in here no, yeah, but we had purchased it.
Chris Markey:I think I'm pretty sure we had purchased it I was in my building in uh, 20 january of 22, so it was kind of aft still. But I think, like now, every time I come in here it's always at a different part, like I've had to reevaluate my role because if we do things right, the other people are going to do that, and then you're looking at the vision or the health of the company or whatever. It still hurts me when we lose clients, of course, you know, and it still hurts me. Like you know, I'm happy when we get one back or there's something new to keep you excited, but you know it still hurts. It changes, like the readings and all that stuff kind of changed. You just might go back to them.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah Well, and that's why there are certain books that I read yearly. I'll read it again this year, right, and there's been books, especially those books that I read on a yearly basis. I'll read them again right afterwards. I'll either listen to it, read it. I always buy a hard copy, do you really.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah, yeah, just about every book that I've ever purchased on, you know, through Apple books or whatever. I also purchased a hard copy of it too, because, especially if it's something that I need to study and right now I'm going through two books right now. One's a John Maxwell book and another one is by Philip Hum. Now you can't listen to him. No, I don't think any of his stuff is is online for you to be able to listen to, but I'm okay with that too, and I got post-it notes in it and and it's it's about storytelling. You know, learning how to, you know speak better, but using stories, you know, to define your, to define your message, yes, yes, to define my message and stuff like that. And and I found that and little did I know I already did that. I caught myself a few times like I I tell stories to get people to relate or to listen better or so they can understand the message that you know I I'm trying to to relay to them.
Ty Cobb Backer:Um, but I'm being more intentional about it, and it's funny how you can take so many of life lessons, the in my personal life. Like I shared, um, something with the team the other day. It was something that Jana and I got to experience together and she asked me what do you think of it? Do you feel? And my first instinct was to say that this sucks because it was something different. It was change, and I don't like change, whether it's good or whether it's bad. Most of us, all of us, don't, whether you've identified that or not, but nobody likes change. So my first instinct and I almost said it this sucks. But I didn't. I said to her I was like it's different, and she kind of looked at me, not confused, but more of a like okay, that's fair, you know, look, I didn't one, I didn't take the wind out of her sails. So my point is I'm trying to be more intentional with how I think and the words that I use.
Chris Markey:Okay, what's that book? And I think we've read it. They're in one of the books that we talk about. He talks about and it might've been Greg Groshel, but when they walk up, when one of your employees walks up to you to show them, even if you have no clue what's coming, to show them that you care. It's well, what would you do or how would you handle this situation first? Yeah, and you know.
Ty Cobb Backer:Craig Grishel.
Chris Markey:Craig Grishel.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah.
Chris Markey:Yeah, he says that all the time. All the time they walk up all the time when they walk up to you. You decide yeah, he says that all the time, all the time they walk up all the time when they walk up to you.
Ty Cobb Backer:You decide If they come to you with a problem or a situation or something that they are asking you, because we've conditioned people to go through us for everything. Okay, in the beginning.
Chris Markey:We've never conditioned them to use their Think on their own Right yeah. So now they're going to think about. So now, if you continue to ask that question, his point is they'll constantly walk up to you ready to give you an answer.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yes, Okay, yes.
Chris Markey:And it allows you time to pause. Yeah, you know what?
Ty Cobb Backer:I mean yeah.
Chris Markey:So it's, it's something back to what you've been talking about. It's something I try to do. More now, more now, yeah. Or the other one is you know, uh, where are we at in this situation? Yeah, and hearing if two people walk up to you, say this is going on and you say where are we at in a situation, and one describes it, the other one will add on to it, so you get the full picture.
Ty Cobb Backer:Really crazy, yeah, but just and you know, uh, you know, and you can't develop that skill one year into ownership, one year into a management position.
Ty Cobb Backer:These are things that come in time yeah you know, when people ask, like, are there born leaders? I I don't know if the answer is actually yes, you know. I mean, I'm not saying that you can't be born with certain qualities, but until you gain the experience, do you? I have arrived, I'm entitled, you know, I don't have to work as hard, you know, and there are, and then the selfishness part of that, okay, but the true meaning, okay is, is that this is no longer about you. This is never this. You know when you, if you're going to be a good leader, a true leader, this is. This is no longer.
Ty Cobb Backer:Now you're not killing what you eat anymore, right, okay, you're relying on a team to kill for you to eat yeah okay, and if you can make that pivot, change your mindset okay and realize that it's because of everyone else and I need to provide the resources, the tools, the attitude, the momentum to keep it on the rails. And it can be the most rewarding job there ever was. It can be the most loneliest job that there ever was.
Chris Markey:So let me add to that, go for it, because that's really deep what you just talked about. But let me just add to that, in a situation that's happening For my daughter, 16-year-old girl, plays on a field hockey team, starts, does very well, um, yesterday her coach is a, I'm gonna say, younger, but the coach is in a frustrating situation because the team that she counted on now has some injuries, right. So that situation for me, um, and I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do me now, not me two or three years ago, yeah, but me now. That situation for me, um and, by the way, my wife would say, no, way, she doesn't believe a thing I say. But the situation to me. I would look at it and go, okay, great, now I have to play some younger players that would be put in a spot that had never been put in before. Okay, so I can't go in and go.
Chris Markey:Woe is me. You know what I mean. Like it's gotta be. Hey, listen, when the back's against the wall, right, this is when you're going to do your best work. I'm going to help you because I have to be a stronger leader for you. You're just going to have to do your best and you're going to have to learn on the fly. We're going to have some things that will be hard in this situation. Instead, it's. I can't believe. I'm so upset you guys aren't playing hard. Well, that's not going to get them to do any better.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah.
Chris Markey:Right, no, it's not. So, looking at the situation, right, like you just said, you look at the situation and whether you ask a question up front or you step back and go, okay, a bunch of young people, they've never been in war together yeah, right. So you're asking a freshman now to go play, right, you can challenge that person, but you can't walk in and be like, what are you doing? They're going to be like I've never been here before and you're like, oh yeah, that's right, you're right, mm-hmm, right. So now at my shop, what I try to do is there's some things that's easier for them to watch me do. So if I'm calling Ty, I just wanted to give you a call out A couple of things going on.
Chris Markey:First of all, I really appreciate the order. I have a couple of concerns that are going to be a real big challenge for us and then go down that road. So I do that in front of those in the industry that are younger. So now I have less and less of me picking up the phone. So now I'll ask the question did you pick up the phone? Did you talk to them on the phone? Yeah, because how you sent that through that email or whatever is different than if I call Ty. He's going to get the vibe of how I feel or what this is. He's going to know, if I right. So all of these things that you just talked about getting the information, listening to it.
Ty Cobb Backer:And then you're not born with that confidence to pick that phone up. That is a skill that you've had to learn and develop over time to grow the courage to pick that phone up.
Chris Markey:Well it, for some it's easier than others. Yeah, to grow the courage to pick that phone up.
Ty Cobb Backer:For some it's easier than others. Can we say that? Can we agree on that?
Chris Markey:It doesn't scare my son, garrison, to pick up the phone, but the two inside people that work with Garrison, it's a challenge. Oh, what if they say this Sometimes that phone is really heavy.
Chris Markey:Very. It's like picking a thousand pounds off the floor and going up the depths, especially when you know and I know you've had these situations where you've had to make the hard call yeah. And those are times where I say to the sales reps for the department, or even for someone like me, I'll make that call, yeah, they might scream and yell and I'll never use you again. You know, and you know we, we have a client that we're going to lose here and that won't come back this year, because the situations that happened last year can't fix it, but we can change it, we can learn from it. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
Chris Markey:And we're not going to die from it. I think that's the first thing, ty everybody thinks.
Ty Cobb Backer:Oh my God, yeah, what's going to happen?
Chris Markey:Yeah everybody thinks, oh my God, what's going to?
Ty Cobb Backer:happen. Hey, listen, we'll be here next year. Yeah, right, yeah, and it actually makes you better that in the errors and the mistakes or losses is is where the you know I always say the SOPs get developed. Yeah, you know, that's where you know you find the gaps and deficiencies and, unfortunately, through pain comes growth. So, yes, there will be a little bit of pain, but you are going to be so much better because of that pain.
Chris Markey:Let me tell you another story at my office. So we implemented where, if you want to build a store, like you have a corporate store, you want to build a store, we go in and we put it on. Me and my son built this platform. You put all the information in, it goes to the coordinator. The coordinator then disperses it to the person that builds the store and it also goes on the sales reps so they know everything where it's going, who's working on it all that.
Chris Markey:We wanted to do that for harder. Well, the people in the office came back to me and said love the store one. And we understand that you're trying to make this easy. This isn't going to work for this one, and you know what. I believe them because everything they told me with the first store was absolutely spot on telling me the changes, they told me how it should be set up, told me what to make, what to do with it, how it's going to help them. Now some people still don't like the type they expect to just send an email and somebody else decipher it Right, and that can't be like that.
Ty Cobb Backer:No.
Chris Markey:So you know, that's where our trust and belief in them. I've seen it in you a lot, ty, and maybe those that work for you. They probably understand it, but they see it from a different world about you. Yeah, like I see, like you tell me Exactly For them. You don't tell, we don't want to tell them they should. It's an understanding right, but to me so it's um, that's another thing. People think, like there's people out there that think you're a jerk. They're never met yeah, right for sure.
Chris Markey:I've had people I'm friends with now 25, 25 years, and they're like man, I used to think you were the biggest jerk, you know. Yeah, but that's because we try to be more intentional.
Ty Cobb Backer:Of course, right, yeah and no, and I like that to get to get back to that. You know, the coach and and the younger players moving up through. So what? What I was alluding to with that? That situation Jana and I were doing. It was a wonderful situation that we were in, but why I chose to use the word different was because one I didn't want to take the wind out of her sail.
Ty Cobb Backer:So I got to be very intentional with the words that I use when I'm trying to articulate a message to somebody or vibe. Just, I don't want to ruin the vibe this is a good vibe here, like it should be, and I know it should be but I wanted to say it sucked, okay, so that's, that's huge. Words can impact other people around me, so I need to choose my words better. Plus, I don't want to sound childish, like do you mean? What do you mean? This sucks. It sounds like 12 year old lay on the ground and yeah, right, right, um. But more importantly was for myself, because if I would have just went right to this sucks, then I barricaded myself to actually see the potential that this could have. Right I, I I'd already shut myself off by saying this sucks, because now I got to hold up this persona of like, yeah, I'm pissed, I'm upset, I'm frustrated. And how long am I going to ride that out?
Chris Markey:Well, there's no army with you in that one.
Ty Cobb Backer:You know what I mean. So, but I gave myself the opportunity and later on she asked me too she's like what do you think now? And I was still. I was still, but my enthusiasm, my enthusiasm was a little bit different that time when I said it's different, but did your mind change too? Yes, so it really did. I could start seeing the benefits, you know, because I didn't say it sucked because then you had to defend it.
Chris Markey:That goes back to my army thing. You have no army with you at that point, and then everything's on your shoulders.
Ty Cobb Backer:You've got to defend it. So I was grateful. Could I have used a better word or feeling or emotion? Yes, but the best I could come up with at that time was is that it's different, because I know she knows me and she thinks and we both get each other. So when I say it's different, that means I'm okay, I'm going to get through this and I will see the light at the end of the tunnel. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. So when she asked me, I was like this is effing amazing, right, right.
Ty Cobb Backer:And within a short period of time it wasn't days that went by, we're talking hours, minutes that had passed where I was still open enough to like look around and be like that's going to be awesome, I'm going to have to figure it out, I'm going to have to study. It looked like work at first. That's why it was different. It was change, different. It was change. And look, I was gonna have to put a little bit of work in. God forbid, yeah, you know, um, but I was like nope, that's gonna. Oh, wow, I figured this out. That does this too. You know, like I, I kept the paradigm open. I didn't close the door. You know?
Chris Markey:let me tell you what it did to me. Just you telling me the story right here. What's that? I felt the pressure when you said that sucks. Yeah, I felt it. Just you telling me the story, no doubt.
Ty Cobb Backer:So I use that, that scenario as as a story. Right To keep an open mind and choose your words Right. And I and I and I did full transparency. You know vulnerability. I wanted to be so vulnerable to my team. Okay, Like I'm not perfect, there was a whole bunch of crazy shit that was going through my head too, but because I said it was different, it gave us both an opportunity. It kept our minds open. I didn't close my mind to this sucks. I'm gonna take my ball and I'm gonna go home because I don't want to put the work in.
Chris Markey:So you had bandwidth yes, you had bandwidth to slow the process down, right, yeah, yeah.
Ty Cobb Backer:And to actually smell the roses, correct, you know, like actually smell the roses here. You know I didn't start off being a dick because I would have to be a dick for the rest of the day then. Yeah, you know, it didn't ruin.
Chris Markey:I never even thought about it like that. Then all of a sudden, you gotta be an asshole.
Ty Cobb Backer:I gotta be an asshole all day because I don't like that, because I don't like it, and then you shouldn't like it either. What do you mean? You fucking like it, I don't like it. You know why are you so happy?
Chris Markey:then you're fighting your own war, totally I thought you were on my side, no I've done that, you know, and I don't want to be that.
Ty Cobb Backer:So you know. And there's other ways that I can use different words to sometimes to help people understand what it is the point or the process or the directions better to you know what I mean. And getting back to the podcast dude, I don't know if I would have learned that without the podcast and listening to other guests and having great people speak to me and I have to listen to what you're saying, because I got to either follow up with another question, that is, following up with what you did. You know what I mean, so, like I've become a better listener.
Chris Markey:You're better interviews. Okay, Early on in this process you were looking for the next question.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yes, it's tough to still listen to what you're saying and look for the next question.
Chris Markey:Yeah, but I think now you're better at that question comes. It just comes natural, it comes by itself. Yes, okay, where you were force feeding.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yes, you know? Yeah, or I was actually writing out. I tried writing out questions in hopes that I could direct the conversation.
Chris Markey:You're not that type of person.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah, direct the conversation down a rabbit hole that I thought we should. And sometimes I can, sometimes I have to. That's the other thing too, you know, when I've had dry people on the show already and it's like I'm pulling things out of that. I'm not one of them, absolutely not Okay.
Chris Markey:All right, I was just wondering where you were going with that.
Ty Cobb Backer:No, no, no no, there was a reason why I wanted you on here and honestly, there were, there was, there was, you know, a couple of people, and the more that I thought about it, this week has gotten away from I can't believe it's Wednesday already.
Chris Markey:We should have had a round table, Like me you, Dave, you talked about that the last time we were here, chris Baker.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah, you know, because we can't, we can't and I never have. Nor will I forget about Chris Baker. When I asked him to go to Shane and Gary, he did not hesitate to go in this dude's basement.
Chris Markey:You talked about that the last time we were here. Really, yeah, and you know what Shame on me for not being a good friend to bring that up, because we had said one of the good ideas was, yeah, get everybody together and talk about, yeah, where that's going. No, obviously chris isn't in your show, but I still think he probably watches absolutely.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah, I'm sure he does, you know, and he's just, he's just 25 feet well then, he better be working, if he's watching. Yeah, he better be working, he better be learning something, um guess what I'm getting.
Chris Markey:A text is my phone ringing.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah, she's probably blown up now, but, um, yes, you know the yes. But I've learned so much from this podcast and you know the power of consistency is probably my biggest takeaway. Okay, of of staying consistent. You know the discipline of showing up week after week after week after week, times, 300 weeks in a row, no matter where we were in the country in the world, hospital beds, funerals, whatever. However, I felt the world was against me, weighing, weighing on me. Someday still, you know, but getting through and still suiting up and showing up, you know, but getting through and still suiting up and showing up, you know, has taught me to be consistent, not just in business but in life well, isn't that what we teach?
Chris Markey:okay? So let me, let me say it this way isn't that what we try to instill in everybody? So um friend of mine used to go speak at high school and he used to to tell them get yourself an alarm clock. That's 90% of the problem. Yeah Right, you were talking about people showing up all of that. So there's a lot of things. The consistency is the alarm clock getting up doing the same thing. We are creatures of habit and not the truth, Right? So create the right habits. And Eric Brewer, who says that there's another guy that talks about, but Brewer used to say that was initially when Eric really started going down that road.
Chris Markey:Yeah, like you, you create the right habits, right. Yeah, it changes like working out, I don't want to work out. Yeah, how many times on your 40 for 40 or whatever, did you go? I am not.
Ty Cobb Backer:Then that's why we do that, for the accountability purpose, to create those good habits, to get rid of the bad habits and replace them with good habits. Okay, and after 44 days it's like and I think some people think there's going to be this complete, 100% transformation. I am going to be a spiritual guru. I have lost 40 pounds, I got abs of steel. It just that's. That's not going to be a spiritual guru. I have lost 40 pounds, I got abs of steel. It just that's, that's not going to happen in 44 days.
Chris Markey:How quick do you think some people drop some of that stuff right away?
Ty Cobb Backer:Well, it's just like New Year's resolutions. Okay, what, what's that average? The first week people get the gym, the gym memberships a day a week maybe mean seven episodes is podcast. Most people might do seven episodes, that's it. That's, that's the average for for a podcast. You know, um, and you know that's the thing, and that's that we could. That could go down a complete different rabbit hole on on the, I was wondering where you're going, not not being consistent and following up and following through. But you know, starting this thing, I never thought that it was going to be 300 episodes into it and involved into what, what it is today.
Chris Markey:But the consistency, consistency, following up and following through right, Holding people accountable Listen, I'm sure there's other people and some that are sitting in the room right now that probably held you accountable. Like what do you mean? We're not doing the podcast?
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah, or what do you mean? We're not doing?
Ty Cobb Backer:it there was one time a few months ago, vic and I were talking about not doing this on a week to week basis. I had him convinced it was a good idea. I really did because, like we need to market more for TC backer, we need to do like. Because, like we need to market more for TC backer, we need to do like like let's fill that time slot with more you know productive things and it let's just read, let's record some things and we can put some other content out there. Just let me run my mouth for an hour. Record it, put it out.
Chris Markey:I remember you guys talking about that.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah, yeah, and you probably thought it was a great idea too.
Chris Markey:Well, I said listen, man, you said about I drive around in my truck. How you told it to me was I drive around and I get all these ideas. So I'm just going to start video in the car, or I'm going to stop and videotape my thoughts or talk my thoughts into the phone, Right, and that's going to be my podcast.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah, yeah, so we were, and we were good, we were going to start and we, we, we, we do other things too, but we were on our way back from Greenville, south Carolina. We were, we were sitting in the parking lot, it was a bad week it had been and I don't even know how long we were down there for. And we were on our way back and it was a Wednesday and we were like we're going to do it. No, we're not going to do it. So, however long we were halfway back, it's about a nine hour drive. So for about four and a half hours, I was mentally masturbating myself over what a great term, all right.
Ty Cobb Backer:I'm going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm going to do this. I'm not going to do at this point in time. And there's vick in the passenger seat and I was like I can't not do this, like what is my excuse? But because we're driving shit. I've been on fucking cargo ships, I've been in airports, I've been everywhere and have done these pods. You did one in a car in closets.
Chris Markey:You did one in a car, right? Yeah, or is that the one you're talking about?
Ty Cobb Backer:that's probably the one that we're talking. It's like so vick broke the the um. What was the? Gopro gopro out, stuck it to the freaking thing, even though you couldn't see half my head because sun visor was in the way. Yeah, but you did it hindsight 2020.
Ty Cobb Backer:Like I looked, it took me like probably a month after seeing it three times like fuck, the sun visor was cutting my head off, but but we did it. I was like, dude, what was I thinking? Like, what excuses? And, and you know, and that's the thing like none of, like the, the imperfections that this is, they would have ruined the momentum. There was many times that I didn't think it was worth doing it anymore. No one's getting anything out of it, you know, and I think I was really making it about myself. I, I go through ebbs and flows and that's the thing when I was talking about leadership like this is no longer about me. There are people that listen to this show live and on the replay and look forward to, whether it's someone that works here or somebody across the country that actually looks forward to.
Ty Cobb Backer:If, if ed mylett said I'm going to cut back, okay, and I'm not even putting myself in that right arena of like, because at the impact that do that, okay, I would be upset at him. I would feel left down. Yeah, right. And joe rogan, joe rogan, right, any of them, all of them. You know to have made it this far and then they come up with a lame ass excuse of, uh, I'm too busy and I don't feel well, and I remember pacing back and forth in my office Like today would be that day where I would not do this because I don't feel good, I'm running 103 temperature, I right now, you are no, no, no, I'm just saying to myself because yeah, I've, I've been in that situation where I'm pacing back and forth in my office like today would be the the day I could come. I know my excuse would be good enough and everybody would understand. But I still did it, right, I just did it because really there was been times that I've just done it because it's uncomfortable.
Chris Markey:Right.
Ty Cobb Backer:I'm going to push through this uncomfortability, right, right. And I said to Vic too around that time frame like when is this shit going to actually get comfortable? And I think his response to me was never yeah, get comfortable being uncomfortable.
Chris Markey:Yeah, and you know, I say that to my players, my lacrosse players Our goal is to be comfortable in the uncomfortable and when we play other teams, now that we get comfortable in this uncomfortable and we make them uncomfortable, we're more comfortable with it and I just that's a tongue tie.
Ty Cobb Backer:Listen and the consistency stacks up. Yep, Okay, it builds momentum, it builds trust. People start to expect it. Right, and I'm talking about life, right, this, this was a huge life turning changing point for me. Right, it truly was, because now I'm not being consistent, and what message, and that's the thing it's like. I know all a lot of eyes are on me, you know, and of you know, and I I bust people balls about being part hey, part-time, where you at you know, mark jones is one of them.
Chris Markey:I know he's far from a part-time, but, hey, part-timer but most of the time you'll say that to people that you know aren't. Yeah, exactly because you know that, right, that just grinds they grind.
Ty Cobb Backer:they grind as hard as as I do, so I'm busting your chops.
Chris Markey:You've texted me what golf course am I at? I didn't appreciate it, by the way, Because I wanted to be on the golf course at that point.
Ty Cobb Backer:And I have, you know what I mean Vic.
Chris Markey:He was trying to just bust my chops. I was. Two hours later I was at the golf course by the way.
Ty Cobb Backer:I just want to make that point known. That's another topic, but you know it's consistency isn't flashy. You know, for me we talk about stacking wins, you know, and you need to stack consistency, and you don't see the results. Like, for the longest time we didn't see results from any of this, and still it's not even about like how many viewers Like this is still organic today we might have, I don't know, maybe 10, 12 people watching right now, 11. Okay, I'm no Ed Milet, but those 11 people probably have been watching from. Half of them are probably been watching since episode 50. Okay, half of them have probably been watching since we went live today. You know what I mean. And because of that consistency okay, that's one less promise that I broke today to myself. You know it's, it's stacking those wins, and if I would have did that that day and I almost did not go live on a Wednesday, okay, Now we have had to adjust the schedule, but there hasn't been a week because early on I think it was Tuesday nights we used to do this.
Chris Markey:We did it on Tuesday. Uh, when we were it was a, it was a Tuesday, or used to do this. We did it on Tuesday when we were it was a Tuesday or a Thursday.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah, something was Tuesday or Thursdays, I think it was.
Ty Cobb Backer:Thursday Cause he had something going on some other day and I think it went from from Thursdays to Tuesdays for a little bit, and then I think Vic and I had some commitments, some some outside commitments that we did on Tuesdays or decided that we were going to do, and it had to do with personal development. So it was kind of like I don't want to say it was a sacrifice, but it was like you know what, let's not, let's, let's do it on Wednesdays, the middle of the week, and then we switched our times Right. You know what I mean.
Chris Markey:But that'd be in the evening. Yeah, and you can do it in the afternoon.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah, don't have to go in the no, and before where I was, the seasons that I was in there was there would have been no way I could do it at 12 o'clock. Yeah, there would have been no way you're further down the road.
Chris Markey:Yeah, let's say it like that.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah, now now this is thrown into my, my, my, my day-to-day. This is this is part of what I do on right, on my work day, right, yeah, which is kind of cool that the team has allowed me to design my the way, way that I lead this way.
Chris Markey:Well, you that that, but, more importantly, that they probably realize this is beneficial for you, how anybody's going to take this any way they want. They're either going to say you're a selfish pig that just wants to sit in front of a camera all the time, or some of them are going to say this is your therapy. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, like my therapy, in a sense, that started to slow me down was when I really looked at, looked back, where we were or where we came from. Yeah, you know, and it came from what my boys you know, and even, like my wife, they would be like, hey, you're from here. So that was like my change yeah, you know what I mean your change was that point where you're like I want to shut this down. No, I'm not shutting this down. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Ty Cobb Backer:So, no good for you. Yeah, being intentional, yeah, you know.
Chris Markey:I tell you all the time cause I text you now I haven't been every day, but being intentional. But you should do this with intentionality, right, right. When you do a show, yeah, like, hey, listen, I'm doing the show and I want to make sure it's you know it to be intentional about. So when you called me, it was like, yeah, I want to do this. I haven't seen ty in a while. He's been busy. I've been busy.
Ty Cobb Backer:Okay, if I gotta be on the show for us to have a good discussion, yeah, I'm gonna come on the show right, you know, yes, no, and, and david bruno, he's like, yes, it was on Tuesday nights, no being being there with a blizzard outside, the show must go on Like we went through all kinds of shit. We've had floods come through the studio and we still filmed. We had the power.
Chris Markey:That was down, that was down on a canal, canal.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah, you came out dressed up like Santa Claus. You know, on Christmas or Christmas episodes they're always special and I still don't like it. And the other special ones that I really like too is our 21 Turkey Salute one. Yeah, I don't do much that day, right, I kind of let Pastor Joel Baker and whoever else is there.
Ty Cobb Backer:That's going on this year too, yeah absolutely Absolutely, you know, and make it special for them too, because, and and you know, and some of the guests that we've had, elizabeth Casadilla, okay, she, her, her first time she came on. I think it was the first time that she came on, she, she's an entrepreneur. Her business is a big shout out to, to business 411. She helps businesses right, sops, marketing, branding, just just a true, true grinder and entrepreneur. I mean, she is just, but she came on and told us her story, her, her life story of, like, you know how they got over here from Cuba and what she went through with her mom. You know, single, single mom raising her and and, um, you know, just, it's given me goosebumps, right, it's given me goosebumps right now.
Ty Cobb Backer:You know, and there's a lot of people that that haven't been able to to, to get to hear that about her, and they look at her today and she's very successful, okay, right, and they think it must be nice, you know it, it must be nice. But we gave her a platform to, to, to share with us and it was emotional, I mean, it was so good and it'll always stick with me. And the people that have came on here. I've learned so much, not just about them, but from them, and consistency and that goes into any successful at anything, I don't care if it's sports, your health, your wealth, your spirituality. It's something you can't do once in a while. Consistency is about stacking and stacking, even when you don't see the results, especially when you don't feel like working out, is when I know I have to work out.
Chris Markey:That's the most important time.
Ty Cobb Backer:That is the most important time. Yes, you know, and that's where consistency and building those daily habits, you know, and knowing what it feels like to break those promises to yourself time and time and time and time and time again, and what that has done to me over the years Okay, yeah, emotionally, what did to walk To to break all those promises?
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah so yes, you know, and and I and that was already eating at me on that drive up from Greenville that day when we decided, I decided that we weren't going to do the podcast today that day, whatever it was.
Chris Markey:So you were breaking all the stuff, all the promises you made to yourself.
Ty Cobb Backer:I was. I was running all this through my head.
Chris Markey:You didn't think of that Cause. You see, earlier in the conversation you didn't say that, you didn't say that that was what was on your mind, like it broke it. But after you probably did it, then you're like how could I?
Ty Cobb Backer:do that to myself Probably. Yeah, Go go live. What you know what I mean?
Chris Markey:It's just the excuses that was talking to you, probably.
Ty Cobb Backer:Probably.
Chris Markey:I'm going to stick this camera on your forehead. He said I knew you were going to do it.
Ty Cobb Backer:I knew you were going to do it and he probably he wasn't going to. Let me not do it. Honestly, he already had the GoPro set up before I even got in the truck. That morning he was already in the truck and had everything wired up listen, we know who runs this joint yes, no doubt you know what I'm saying you know and the support, okay, the you know from.
Ty Cobb Backer:You know chris baker, vick, mike hippie, the conversations that we had behind the mic. You know the hours that we would. You know the hour before the show and the conversations the hour or two or three after the show, like when you would come out to the studio, the growth that happened at those times.
Chris Markey:Well, it was from laughs, right, so we would be. I tend to think that laughing is healing, so every time we'd come to to the show, we'd laugh after and giggle I would feel so much better, oh yeah it was like uh, yeah, wow yeah, we did it yeah, oh, by the way, that shit was funny.
Chris Markey:Yeah, right, yeah, where did that come from? I don't know. I just asked you the question, right, but that's that's where. It's like family vacations, where you just jump in a car. Yeah, that's what you're, that's what this is right. You just jump in a car and start going. Right, where are we going? I?
Ty Cobb Backer:don't know, I have no idea. I have no idea. What are we talking about?
Chris Markey:I don't know. We're just we'll start. Something will come up that we'll start talking, for sure for sure.
Ty Cobb Backer:Usually it's about where we're at, like you share an experience that you recently or in the past year have gone through it, at work and stuff, and that's that's what I think people like about this the most, is the true authenticity. You know, because unfortunately, or fortunately, this you see what you get here. You know what I mean. I've been jacked up, i've've been down low, I've not felt well, you know, and and I think that pulls that out of people and why they feel so comfortable to you know, when Elizabeth came on or when you come on, because I'm not any different at off the mic, no, you know what I mean. We'll go in my office, we'll chop it up for probably 10, 15, 20 minutes, you know, and it's just I'm I'm.
Chris Markey:If you were any different on the mic, I probably wouldn't say anything, which you know. I got it all, no, no. But if you were any different it would be like who is that guy? Yeah, you know. Yeah, so, and that's what makes me come back. It makes me come back. I mean, obviously, support and I'd like, I'd like being on here with you, because I think you, you totally put your mind into it so it's very, it's very intriguing to me, right, it helps me and helps me um there up, as I call it yeah
Ty Cobb Backer:you know yeah and go from there yeah, I love behind the tool belt has done so much for me, and I hope it it has, you know, because this was never a selfish thing. If it was, was we never did it, we would have never done this. You know what I mean? Cause I'm terrified, terrified. I still get nervous. Now I do other things, too, that make this seem like this isn't so terrifying, like any type of public speaking. Last week, I had the opportunity to speak at an event to other entrepreneurs, not in our industry and, of course, when you know it, they had me as the last speakers, the first keynote headliner, I guess. I guess you could consider they never.
Ty Cobb Backer:They didn't come out and say but you're the last person to talk it was the last and you're sitting there and he said I'm gonna start and I'm gonna fire it up, but we need you to finish it because we need them fired up before they leave. And I was like oh shit, and I didn't know that till that morning. Yeah, yeah. So I come back from something like that. This is freaking easy peasy. You know what I mean, but that will wear off eventually. We're kind of like man, I don't know, you know, I shit, man, I I. He's like dude, shut up, you're fine, you'll good.
Chris Markey:What's something you haven't had on the show, or something in the area that you haven't had on the show, that you think should be on the show or have wanted to have on the show. You just haven't reached out and asked.
Ty Cobb Backer:Is it somebody or something, whatever? Well, I can tell you this there's a few people that I would love to have on a show or even get on their show. I don't want to say just come on our show, but I would love to be on Ed Milet's show or have him come on our show. And Vic did actually reach out to John Maxwell and the answer wasn't no. There was just some things he wanted me to do first, which we are, I have been. Yeah, um, he wants to make sure you know, um, we're supporting what they're doing over there too, and not just some random dude off the street jibber jabber and all the time. Um, so there's that. But there's one thing that I always wanted us to do, and we called it the smash lab. We wanted to test tools and product and stuff like throw cameras through windows and you know to. You know, if it's hurricane proof glass or something like that, like I'll break it so I'm sure vick would have been on every week.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah we and we act. We have that. We have that corner of the studio still built and that's still not out of the question. There are some big things coming, you know. The next 300,. You know we're not, we're not staying stagnant. There's, you know we've. We've changed, as you know, as we grow, the show has grown and and we do have a lot of things on the horizon for this and, and one of them and I'll put this out there because we may have mentioned it before but we want to host our own event.
Ty Cobb Backer:What type of event? Like the event that I just came from? Okay, you know what I mean, it wasn't a bunch of people. It will be more geared towards roofing contractors, people in our space, exterior contracting, but I, I it's a lot like where, where we just came from, what we, janet and I, just got to experience is, is what I want to do? Something like that and and you know it's, it's a behind the tool belt thing. We're not going to make it a a TC backer thing. We're not going to make it. You know it's. It's going to be a behind the tool belt event.
Chris Markey:That that that'll probably happen in 2026 and, uh, again, it's so you're already starting to starting to do some of the things that you really wanted to accomplish.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah, you know, yeah uh, yeah, coaching I want to coach more, more contractors in our space. Yeah, yeah, I want to. I want to do more of that and what this podcast has actually made me do. I do a lot of research and I study a lot of things and I have a lot of stuff that I could already share with other people. I actually have it documented. I've gotten a lot of stuff out of here and put onto paper for personal development, for, or or just complete organization of a company, organizational health so there's three pillars, right, there's so many.
Ty Cobb Backer:I run things in threes, I like to call them the trifectas, okay. So three pillars would be purpose, okay, ownership and organizational health. Okay, those are your three pillars. Sales you know the trifecta in sales, right, you want to repeat customers, okay, reviews, and, uh, shit, what's the other arts? Three R's repeat reviews and referrals. Okay, the other three ended up here.
Ty Cobb Backer:I have, I have topics around all of these things you know and you know, uh, the other thing is, you know core values, sops, kpis, everything. I can kind of make everything into threes, the trifectas of of of business, you know, and, and especially with with the last three that I just mentioned, like, if you can get okay, cause we we operated without SOPs and KPIs but our culture was there. Okay, but our culture was there. Okay. You can have SOPs and KPIs but have a shit culture and it'll avoid the other two Cause no one's going to buy into the SOPs or the KPIs. But if you have a good culture you can actually get away for a while without actually. It depends on how large your company is.
Chris Markey:Well, I agree with you on that point, because and not to take away your total- time.
Ty Cobb Backer:No, no go ahead.
Chris Markey:When you get into KPIs and SOPs and all that listen, it tends to be tedious and long. Okay, so what we have done is we'll go down a road, right, and something will come up. I'll be like, hey, can you document? Somebody will type it up real quick, send it to Mason. He built an employee portal that we put all that stuff on. It's easily accessible with our healthcare or whatever all of our numbers for the month. Having that what you just said, you need the culture and you need the other ones. But the culture allows you to go and say, hey, what do you think about this? So you find, build it together. What did I say from the beginning? Yeah, you go to people and be like, hey, what's your thoughts on that? Yeah, or how would you handle that?
Ty Cobb Backer:Our core values, even though I didn't run around and say to everybody what do you think of this, what do you think of this, what do you think of that? I pulled something from everybody. So when we rolled our KPIs out or, I'm sorry, our core values out, everybody sitting in that room that day that I broke them out could think of a time or situation that they were like that's where that came from, that's where that came from, that's where that one came from. This is why we're doing this one because of that one time.
Chris Markey:Yeah, key performance indicators, though how do you determine them always to be numbers, or numbers in the business? No, it's behaviors.
Ty Cobb Backer:Okay, so key performance behaviors? Yeah, yeah, yeah, some of them are. Are behaviors, right, you know, are habits that they should? You know how many doors did you knock?
Chris Markey:yeah, so you know, or I fully agree. Consistency, yeah, that's what you're talking about, right? So in our office, um showing up the word people hold each other accountable, I don't need to do it. Yeah, no doubt I don't need it. In my shop, I don't need to do it. You know what I mean. Because they hold each other accountable. Where were you at? Oh, you had a great vacation. That's awesome. Welcome back. Now let's get to work. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Ty Cobb Backer:They're nice about it next week, so you know. So hurry up, get your head wrapped around some shit, so you can pick up my slack, so I can leave right consistency.
Chris Markey:yeah, like you know, and like having. Uh, also, when you talk about the, the everybody getting along. When it comes to those people leaving and me going in and saying, hey, um, we're gonna have to black out a period of time because we're extremely busy, then they all go okay. So give me the parameters of that. You know, because people get like for us August 1 through the end of September is just nuts. November 1 to the end of December nuts, crazy. So you have to kind of black out those time periods so they don't take days off.
Chris Markey:They'll complain about it, but none of them ever used it because they feel you took something away. You know what I mean. Or I get a better rate down at the beach in September. Well, I'm sorry, you joined a company that we make 30% of our money in the two-month period. Yeah, but they'll talk about it in the two-month period. But they'll talk about it. And if everybody else doesn't complain about it, then all of a sudden they'll start putting that in their pocket and basically it's your employee saying if you don't like it, get out, we'll find somebody else.
Ty Cobb Backer:Exactly, and David just said public speaking is one of his big fears. But that's him stepping out of his comfort zone, david, yeah, bruno, wow, believe it or not, yeah, but this is. I have another speaking engagement coming up with the construction york, southern pa business owners or something like that. No, it's it's for. The york builders association is hosting their second annual construction expo, which I knew the exact name for south central pa's construction expo, I believe um, and you're speaking october 8th, you're speaking, yeah 8 am yeah yeah, yeah, it's, it's free admission.
Ty Cobb Backer:So anybody and there will be some vendors there, um, some local vendors, some, I think. You know. I think john h's Myers will be there and people like that Vendors will be there and and Lori hooked up some speakers. It's, it's going to be good for for a lot of people in the trades.
Chris Markey:What music are you coming out to?
Ty Cobb Backer:What music?
Chris Markey:Yeah, what music do you think?
Ty Cobb Backer:Probably. What's that? The eye of the tiger Tiger?
Chris Markey:Yeah, okay, nick will have the show on your age here.
Ty Cobb Backer:Yeah, sorry, all right, I think. I think we're about an hour into this. So, that's right. No, it's okay, all right. What an awesome time I always have with you, dude.
Chris Markey:Dude, Today's the first time I sat and listened like you're on a roll.
Ty Cobb Backer:Like I just let you go.
Chris Markey:Really, you're on a roll day. Once you got started, I step in and then you'd step on me. All right, go ahead, ty, keep talking, because. I'm enjoying it Sorry.
Ty Cobb Backer:Well, I'm excited you're here.
Chris Markey:You know it's good to be back. I miss you guys. Yeah, me too. Life caught up with us, but I still keep in. I try to keep in touch, I know.
Ty Cobb Backer:You know what I mean.
Chris Markey:He's down fishing.
Ty Cobb Backer:Did you get any flounder this year? Was that last year? No, no, we're not talking.
Chris Markey:You caught flounder, but you didn't bring no us any.
Ty Cobb Backer:Most of them I throw back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chris Markey:Most of them I'll throw back, that's well, there's people starving, just not me just saying neither I do love fish, and I love flounder, flounders why'd you look at me like that?
Ty Cobb Backer:okay, but you, you know, before we wrap this up, I, I, I just want to, uh, you know, I, I want to think, take a second to thank everybody and thank you. You know, um, every single one of you has who has listened to this and shared, um, you know, and commented and, and, you know, share, share this. I know Zach Fisher, david Bruneau, the list goes on. I mean I could just all the people that that are in here right now just thank you for for being here since day one. Some of you have been here from from day one and have shared the shit out of this and and and to all of our guests, who, who has, who have given us, you know, their time, shared their wisdom and their stories.
Ty Cobb Backer:And you know, my team, my family, big shout out to Jana, who, who probably shares the shit out of this every weekend. And Lauren, you know little do we know? And you know, we, we manually, organically, she'll share it to every, you know roofing Facebook group out there. So, thank you, you know, lauren, and Jana, come hell or high water, no matter what she's doing, if she's not there with us, she's wherever she is in the world, she's sharing this and today, her and Skylar, my, my granddaughter Mackenzie's daughter, are probably watching this at at home sitting on the couch right now and she's yelling Papaw, papaw, that's Papaw. So I I wouldn't be doing any of us, you know we. I would be doing us a disservice if I didn't mention Skylar's name right now. So, hi, skylar, if you guys are out there watching, I know you are, but here's the truth. You know the next 300 episodes, they're going to be even better and we're going to keep building people, we're going to keep growing the community and we're going to keep pushing the industry forward together. Okay, no-transcript.
Chris Markey:I just want to say Ty, uh, congratulations, and, uh, the one thing I've always loved about this show and it's something I live by too that, uh, you're not here to make an impression, you're here to make an impact, and it's huge to me and to everybody that watches it.
Ty Cobb Backer:So right on, thank you Appreciate it and you're a big part of that. Yeah, I appreciate that. This is some of your legacy too. Oh, just so you know that. Wow.
Chris Markey:Okay, yeah, don't throw it, throw that out there like that, but I appreciate it because you've done all the work.
Ty Cobb Backer:I mean I for the ride, because, uh, it's nice to be able to tell people you have friends like you. No doubt isn't that the truth. Yeah, well, thank you, and thank you for everybody for listening, and, uh, till next week, take care of each other and enjoy this warm weather that I think we're gonna have for the next few days. So till then, take it easy.
