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Ep #185: Leslie Hassler: Here’s the Real Reason You’re Stuck at Low 6 Figures (It’s Not What You Think)

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Are you doing everything right—but still can’t break past six figures? Leslie Hassler, author of Scaling Rich, reveals the overlooked reason most entrepreneurs plateau—and it’s not your offer, your funnel, or your team.


If you’ve been stuck around the low six figures wondering why all the hard work still isn’t getting you to the next level, this episode is for you. I sat down with Leslie Hassler—author of Scaling Rich and founder of Your Biz Rules® and we talk about what’s really keeping you from breaking through to the next level, and spoiler alert: it’s not your offer, your team, or your strategy. It’s something else—and she knows exactly how to fix it.

Leslie shares the power of a fractional C-suite, and how the equivalent of a single salary can get you an entire team. When we want to hire for growth we look for the next hire, not for the suite that can get us there faster. Leslie explains how to do that and achieve sustainable growth. Any new stage of business requires a new mindset because no amount of strategy will scale your business if you are not evolving with it.

If you’re hovering around $350K to $500K and you want to play in a bigger league, here is your playbook.

👉 And while you’re at it, head to https://www.yourbizrules.com/ to grab Leslie’s free gift and learn how she helps business owners like you scale without burnout.


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Leslie Hassler:

Well, howdy, everyone. This is Leslie Hassler, author of "Scaling Rich" and "Founder of Your Biz Rules." And on my episode with the Business Growth Architecture Show, I'm going to reveal some ways to reignite your vision, bring every part of your business, meaning your team, your clients and your systems, into alignment so that you can scale for not just profit, maybe for even more. So you're going to want to check out this entire interview, because what if the real secret to scaling your business richly is hidden in the one place you've forgotten?

BEATE CHELETTE:

This is the Business Growth Architect Show for founders who don't follow trends, they set them for entrepreneurs who aren't here to fix the past, but to build the future they actually want to live in. Hi. My name is Beate Chelette. I'm a Palisades fire survivor strategist and the entrepreneur behind a multi million dollar tech exit Tuva Gate. And every week I bring you the fire real guests, real strategy and the real talk on how to control your mind move fast and create your future. This is where strategy needs energy, because your next level needs both. Let's grow. Hello. Welcome back. This is your host, Beate Chelette. Today with me is Leslie Hassler from "Your Biz Rules." One of the reasons I wanted Leslie on the show is because she solves a big problem that a lot of business owners, when they are entering growth and scaling have, and that is, who do we need to bring into the company to scale it rapidly without getting killed by the expense that It takes to hire really good people. Leslie, I'm excited to have you on the show.

Leslie Hassler:

Welcome Howdy, I'm excited to be here. I can't wait for our conversation. It's gonna be so

BEATE CHELETTE:

good. All right, let's dive right in so with somebody who does not know what you do, what do you do and what problem do you solve for your clients?

Leslie Hassler:

Sure. So what we do is "Your Biz Rule" is a fractional C suite firm. Now you may have heard fractional before, fractional CFOs, fractional CEO, and those are individuals and great companies that can help you build your business. What we do, though, is we are basically the one stop shop. We have the expertise on team to fulfill multiple roles in your growing business so that you're just you're making one investment instead of four investments. And that really works out strongly for our clients, because what we do at the end of the day is we help businesses be cash positive. It means profitable with enough left over. At the end of the day, we help them grow and scale in a way that's just sustainable and healthy.

BEATE CHELETTE:

Let's go through some of the specifics. So what exactly is a fractional C suite, or a fractional CMO or a fractional CFO? What is it?

Leslie Hassler:

So for a lot of businesses, they're just not big enough to hire one full time employee and then fill out all the C suite. So if you were to think about the largest possible size that your business could be and who would be in your leadership team, you likely would have someone over operations. Now, operations can cover a huge gamut. You would have somebody over your finances. Maybe you have someone over marketing and sales, because that's a vital element of your business. Perhaps technology, perhaps processes. There's so many different areas that every business can use. And what's crazy is no one you know, if you took two businesses and compare them side to side, they're not going to need the same kind of leadership. What we have found is this model. Most of our clients have a major need, one that is just the burning need. Oftentimes it's in team, it's in sales and marketing, or if it's it's an operations as a general and then finances. Those four tend to be the big four, if you will. But no one problem that you're facing as a small business owner is only about the overt thing, the thing on the outside of the cover, if you will. Usually when we get in, peel back. It means we need to bring in this fractional CFO, because maybe we need to run some projections. Maybe we need to look at forecasting. Perhaps you've got a big, crazy goal.

BEATE CHELETTE:

Leslie, you said that the idea of a fractional C suite is to instead of trying to figure out who I need to hire, and then stressing out that I can't afford a C level executive because I don't have that kind of work yet, but it'll allow me to hire multiple people, maybe for the salary of one person, but I have a full suite, so When, at what point does this matter in my business? Because that's a pretty bold move. Most people think about an operations manager or a coordinator or a social media person. I think is the right term. When do I need somebody like the people you are representing? Yeah. So there's

Leslie Hassler:

not a hard and fast revenue size, if you will, although there's a range in there, I will say, though it's much more about what you're going through in your business. So if typically, what we're seeing is, when clients come to us is they've had a period of growth that they've gone through, like they've had some success, but they've spent the last one, two, maybe even three years of bits spinning the wheels like they can't get enough traction to get over wherever they're at. And that number does look different, because it's a little determinant on, you know, what the price point is of what you're selling, what your current capacity is, but it does typically happen, I will say between 300 and 600,000

BEATE CHELETTE:

somewhere the number would be, probably, in my experience, about a half a mil. Because, yeah, in my experience. And pardon for interrupting you, but I think this is really critical, because of all the work that I've done for the entrepreneur organization, where the whole goal is to get them to a million dollars. Right? You can run a business up to a million dollars pretty much on your own, but it's not pretty, and you will kill yourself in the process, and your social life and your health and your friendships.

Leslie Hassler:

Yeah, I was gonna say you can do it. That's a lot of different choices, isn't

BEATE CHELETTE:

it? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I see it all the time. It's like around the 930,000 that's literally when they start to go, I can't do this anymore. I'm going to just quit and blow it all up. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, you missed the hiring plan, because the hiring plan has to be part of growth. So you say, let's say, between 350 and $600,000 what is the marker that I need to watch out for?

Leslie Hassler:

How we understand that question a little bit better. So what is the marker that would tell you that you're ready for something like this? Or what is the marker? Okay, what's the mark? Yeah, I think it really has to do about the plateau or where you're finding I think people get caught. I call it the between the rock and the hard spot to where you're you physically go. I can't work anymore, so I can't earn anymore. But if I don't earn anymore, I can't do this other thing that I need to do. And you just constantly feel post the pillar, if you will. There's not enough time or not enough money. And I think you're right. You mentioned it when people hit 1 million or close to 1 million, if they're doing it again, this same situation if you don't fix it, happens again right at that seven figures. It's just an indicator. But I think if you're in that space where you don't feel like you have choice, I want to tell you that the signs you're seeing and the experience that you're having is actually counter intuitive to what you think you should be doing, and what you think you should be doing is waiting and seeing if you can get over the hump. That's costing you more time and money and energy and motivation than you really will understand, until maybe they get to nearly the seven figures, like you said, and they're ready to blow it up. I am speaking from experience of doing that in a business, basically exploding one business, starting this business. Now I don't regret the decision, but hindsight, looking back, I go, Hmm, maybe I could have done that a better way, but it didn't know what it didn't know at the time, and that hopefully, if you're listening to us today, we can save you from that, because you were exactly spot on in telling the person who was at 930,000 not to blow it up, is you've achieved so much more for where you are, if you just look at the business stats, if you're a woman business owner, I think it's only two to 4% ever make it into seven figures. That's primarily to do with the type of businesses that people have, but also whether or not they're willing to ask for help. Now, if you want to look at from startup to a million, well, only that 18% you know, get past that first six figures, and then are headed towards a million. So if you're already here, please don't blow it up, please. Let's just fix it. It can do so much more for you. But I will say, the longer that people go at it, they're by themselves. I think we have this concept that we get this gold star to you know, did, how did you get there? I did it all by myself. Congratulations, gold star. I I don't see an entrepreneurial award for that. I don't know if you've come across it yet.

BEATE CHELETTE:

Oh, and I've never gone to any cemetery where it says did everything by themselves? Ah, exactly, right. I mean, and you know why? Because nobody, nobody's at the funeral of those people. Yeah, you can search nobody there.

Leslie Hassler:

There's nobody to give you a Novation at the end of the day. So why is it that entrepreneurs so stubbornly feel the need to do it alone. It's very interesting to me. It's one of the things we study a lot. But to your point, it is around this half a million mark. If you don't fix it here, you're going to hit it really hard at nearly the million mark. It is not something you can skip. You've got to fix the scalability of the business, and oftentimes that's about bring. It into alignment with who you are and who the business is today.

BEATE CHELETTE:

Talk to me about the psychological state of mind. Somebody comes to you at so I'm I'm estimating that there's a part of them that's complete exhausted, a part of them that is incredibly excited, and a part of them that is so overwhelmed they don't

Leslie Hassler:

even know where to start. Yeah, and the words I was thinking of is frustrated to the point of anger, and maybe not quite to anger, but, man, they're a grumbly person. But there is that hope, you know, then you're said excitement. There still is hope, and there's a belief that this can do something, that you've started something that you're building, something valuable and has impact and can create legacy. I think if we don't have that hole in our bellies that pulls us forward and keeps us going, it's actually really hard to be an entrepreneur in today's market, in today's economy, you just don't have enough to keep the engines firing on all cylinders, but definitely exhaustion. I think you've moved past overwhelmed into juice, feeling a little beat down and beat up in a lot of ways, but I think, unfortunately, I've been trying to figure out, how do we get people to change without having to go through a breakdown. Like, how do you get a breakthrough without a breakdown? I think this might be my subtle life's work here of trying to encourage people not to let the slide get so deep, to take action sooner, to take steps forward, even however imperfect now, because wait and see is not a strategy. Hope and pray is not a strategy. All they do is cost you time and money. I think we can always make more money, but you can't get back time, you know. So

BEATE CHELETTE:

once you can't get your life back, and you can't get your relationship back, and you can't get your teenage son to talk to you, if that's completely blown up, you know, going in a different thing. I, to your point, I think that actually, in my experience, and I've been doing this for decades, without the pain, there's no change. Unfortunately, most people just don't do that. So if we teach them that there has to be a breakdown to get to the breakthrough, to get to the breakout, and we just help them figure out which of the B's that they are at, then they'll understand this is part of the process. So tell me, how do you recognize that the business is ready? I mean, aside from, yeah, it's a client, and we can make money and we can place people, but how do you see that the business is ready for it? What do you look for? I'm

Leslie Hassler:

looking for a variety of things. One thing that I'm looking for is, for lack of a better term, proof of concept, meaning you can get the clients, the clients are coming in. That's not where the problem wholly lies. There's a difference between I need to get 10 more clients, or grow my clientele by 30% and I can't even get one person to buy, that is a very different issue. So we're looking for, really, that that product market fit people buy your stuff. They're generally happy that that's one of the indicators we're looking for, because it means we can start with something we're not necessarily building from ground zero, and we can build from ground zero, but a lot of our clients have something existing that we're working on. We're also looking, unfortunately, for that breakthrough moment, that moment that our business owners are like, enough, I'm done. Just tell me what to do and let me I need something that desperately different. That just means you're ready. You're not going to fight us. We're going to be able to give recommendations, help you, implement them with their with you, step by step by step. But you're not going to ignore the help that's being offered. And that's really important to us, we also look for a mindset. It's that belief. At the end of the day, I think Henry Ford said, whether you think you can or you think you can't,

BEATE CHELETTE:

you're right. You're right either way. Yeah,

Leslie Hassler:

you're right either way, right? And the truth of it is, is I can be 100% for our clients, our team can be 100% with our clients. We just can't be you. We can't do that voodoo that you do so well as a as the owner and that poor belief has to be there, because if it isn't, it doesn't matter what we do. And I've had this proven to me time and time again, of going that's the one thing I can't change, is your ultimate belief in yourself and your ultimate belief in the business. So we're looking for a multitude of items, if you will. Some of them tangible, some of them intangible. That helps us see whether there's possibility we can create change. I'm not worried about that. We can create opportunity, not worried about that. Really good. And as our team is amazing at what it does, but I need our clients to come to the table and be willing to do the things necessary to get a different result than what they're getting. So I think it's really simple at the end of the day, we because we work so deeply, we look for really good people that are trying to do really good work, who treat others with kindness and respect and integrity. I think these are simple things. They're actually much more common than our current media stream might allow us to believe. And those are going to be the people we're champions for, 100%

BEATE CHELETTE:

so how does spirituality or mindset or any of the concepts we talk about on the show, come into your work.

Leslie Hassler:

We often joke that we find ourselves in position of being therapists. Now we're not professional therapists, but the mindset, the spirit, the energy, the motivation, that self talk, if you will, is such an important aspect of our work because it goes hand in hand. Well, what they don't understand is, in order for the business to up level again, this is a point of alignment. The person has to up level too. Like these two things cannot happen in a vacuum from each other, and oftentimes you'll get to the point where you realize you have to up level before the business can up level. It gets you there faster. So even myself, I am constantly working on my mindset. This morning. I have i i like to go through different I don't know methodologies, mediums, modes, thought process. If you were I'm currently doing a journal exercise, seven affirmations that I'm going through on it every morning, on and my goal is seven. I've done Deepak Chopra 21 day. You know, gratitude and abundance. I love that one. That's one I love to recommend to people. I've done mind valleys, the six phases, like I consume this, and I have to get variety, because I get a little bored, and then I get distracted, and then it's not as effective. But whatever it is, I think it's part it's got to become so much more of our norm than the Woo, woo, that people are thinking that it is because it truly is building the inner you so the outer you can do the work that you need to do, and there's so much of an onslaught of negativity, of fear and hate and just all the, I don't know, the basis of what's not great about humanity that's coming to our doorstep. It's coming to our phones. It comes to our inboxes. It comes to our podcasts that if you don't defend against it, if you don't build up your own mental muscle, then you will become subject to it day in and day out. We started this podcast talking about just how people are bringing this into the business. And the thing I thought in my brain is, or you can wake up from the Matrix. You can stop participating in the circus, if you will, and be somebody that owns your person, owns your mind more than other people do. That's why I think it's so crucial to be always working on your mindset. And we have people that come to us that have never, ever, ever, ever, ever, like I start talking about gratitude, and they're like, What do you want me to do? And then we have people that where it is an active practice and it is a journey. I want to say, tell people that it's a journey. I happen to be kinetic. I happen to be visual. I don't do well at closing my eyes and sitting still, all those things we thought meditation and mindset was growing up, you know, on 50 over 50. So growing up in the last 50 years, it's none of that. It can be whatever you need it to be. That's why I do. I love doing Deepak Chopra when I go for a walk, you know, because I like that kinetic part. I like the activeness of my brain. That doesn't mean that I can't go somewhere in my mind at the same time. So I know that's a I gotta I feel like I had a soapbox moment for just a song.

BEATE CHELETTE:

You're exactly where I actually hoped you were gonna go there. Because this way, why I love the concept of of the show so much is that we can talk about very tactical, practical things. We talked about strategies to grow. We talked about markers on the road. That's very clear. It's like, if you're making 350,$600,000 you don't have another person in your business that has C level expertise in any area you are heading toward trouble. That's very clear, very strategic, very, very, very straightforward. But then the part comes what you said, at every level, you have to up level. And I think that's the part that most people miss in the business. What got you here will not get you there. And we've heard this a million times, and you don't know what it means until you are there. And. And news for you, it never ends ever because then you you're never there. What happens is you leave the matrix more and more behind, because you realize this is the same stuff over and over and over again, whether it's this president or that President, or it's far on the left or far on the right, most people really would love to be in the middle, and they would love to have a a conversation about contribution and receiving and and gratitude and connection and community. We see this when catastrophes are happening. It's always the community that brings people together, so that you talk about this on this level, and say you need to be cognizant of that is incredibly powerful, I think, for the show to look at. So it wasn't even a big soapbox that was maybe just like a little an inch of a step,

Leslie Hassler:

well, and I was laughing, because I remember, in my first business, this is my second business, I was working with a coach, and I went in there, and I was like, when exactly do I get to stop working on me? I'm so tired of working on me. Why don't everybody else out there? Why aren't they working on themselves? Why is it me? And he was like, you want to keep growing? And I was like, Well, yeah. And he goes, Yeah, you're gonna work on you. And I was like, I don't like you right now.

BEATE CHELETTE:

Yeah, that that was, you're absolutely right. And then the second part, you said that meditation, or spiritual work. And again, this is one of the reasons I made this show so heavily about this is it's not one thing. It is many different things. I was just at a conference, and people are doing now, visual experiences that mimic a psychedelic experience without the psychedelics, which is definitely a company I want to invest in, because I think that's why we are we. That's where we're going, understanding on how our brain works and how we have more control over what we think, and the outside media is designed to distract you from your clean thought process that will allow you to create anything you want, because if you are distracted with Creating what somebody else wants because they're controlling your mind, you'll always be somewhere else, other than other than here. So let's go back to what you do. So you wrote a you talk about sustainable growth. What exactly is that

Leslie Hassler:

sustainable growth is, is growth fit won't kill you in the process. It won't grow you out of business. Now that's not to mean that I don't believe in exponential growth. I wholeheartedly believe in rapid exponential growth. But what I don't believe in is it done in such a way that it it burns through every resource, including yourself. Now, there's different scales. There's different scales of thought. When you go out there, there's a concept called Blitz scaling, which is basically burn through as much money as you possibly can to get big enough to where you have critical mass, and while you're there, beat everybody to the punch. Now that is the methodology that has made a lot of billionaires in the world. That's what our VC, our PEs are all focused

BEATE CHELETTE:

in the unicorn concept. Throw everything at it.

Leslie Hassler:

Right? Throw everything out. Well, that's out of the reach of, I don't know, 90% of our

BEATE CHELETTE:

small I think it's more like 99, 99% I think the unicorns are falling. They're they're not that many on their clients. Well,

Leslie Hassler:

they burn up and die really fast, right? It's like a star that burns too bright, too fast, and it burns it burns itself out. That is unsustainable, unhealthy growth in my my vantage point, because it's not respecting the people. It's not respecting the resources. Now, on our other edge, our other spectrum, is an old concept, an old paradigm that basically said, good growth, excellent growth, is growing 14.4% year over year, so that in five years you double. Well, that's antiquated, because actually the the momentum that is in our marketplace

BEATE CHELETTE:

that sounds very cockey, if you know what I mean.

Leslie Hassler:

Oh, it's very it's very antiquated, right? But I see people at either side of the spectrum is either going crazy, let me burn through everything I can, and hopefully I'll make it there, and then the others that are saying 14.4 now here's the reality, any growth is good growth. I'm not going to knock that, but what I am going to say is you might be losing out on your potential. And we had a client come to us a couple years ago where they were clipping good, you know, 10, 12% that type of growth. And when we're working with them and and work asked what their goals were, it really wasn't even a. About more money or bigger business. It was truly about better work, life, balance, a better quality of life. Said, great, but what? What size business do you need in order to make that fiscally possible? And they just didn't know. So we're like, okay, let's play the game. Let's figure this out. Turns out we within one year, we did about 54% growth. I think that's the new average, growing 50% growth, year over year, is definitely doable at a healthy rate that produces cash that you actually see, that allows you to do the things. Maybe it's systems, maybe it's process, maybe it's team, and make those investments which really start to invest in the max level of growth. You do this compounding year over year, and what you're effectively doing, and this is the way I think of it, in my own business, the moves that I'm making this year aren't about my business this year. They're about my business in two years. They're about my business in four years, the business decisions that I'm making are not based on the size of my business today. They're based on the $10 million business I have in my brain. So it gets you thinking further out with bigger possibility. And when you do that, I think timelines collapse, and I think that's the power we have in today's market, everything's moving so much faster than it ever was before. I challenge you to find one person who won't say that about something in life. But why can't we harness it? That's really what a healthy growth, a sustainable growth, looks like, is, how do we not just do it this year, but how do we do it in a way that succeeds year after year after year without burning through our

BEATE CHELETTE:

resources? Yeah, and we subscribe to the same the same methodology. We believe that unless we are clear what you want to achieve and how that fits into the lifestyle you want to live. We don't know what we are creating, so that needs to be in place. I had an interesting conversation with someone where I was in a moderator training, and they're like, Yeah, you know the goal is, like, scale, scale, scale, scale, scale. And I said, it's not. I said, you have it? I said, it is one of the goals. I work with a lot of women, and about 50% of my clients are women. And when I have a woman that comes through to me that's somewhere in her 30s, but my first question is, where are you at with children, family? And then I had somebody, and she said to me, Well, I'm waiting for the moment until the business will allow me to have a child. And my hairs, I mean, I'm like, Oh no, no, no, no, no, no. We that's not the way this works. We now need to figure out what you want and what needs to happen for this to happen. Because if you're not having children, or you postponing and postponing and potentially risking your entire fulfillment of your life based upon the notion that your business has to do something. We are really off the rails already. So how do you work with a client to figure out sort of this unique desire which you already hinted on? Is there a process that you do? Maybe we can give our audience a tip or two to say, how do I put myself in the center of this? How do I figure out what I want and then create the business model around that.

Leslie Hassler:

Yeah, we do have a process. And I will say, especially with new clients, the first thing we ask them to do is a series of visioning exercises, of dreaming again, if you will. And what we'll find is we'll either uncur uncover that dream. And I was thinking in your story, this is what people do all the time, is they put the dream on hold for some magical signals that now's the time, and we want to flip flop it. We want to flip it, flip flop it, to understand that you can actualize the dream sooner than you think. And it's about bringing the business into alignment with the dream, not the dream into alignment with the business, because it's almost then it's their competing commitments. We want to bring them into alignment where they they can play. And so sometimes it's through asking what we call wicked questions, the thing that takes those two opposites and tries to bring them together in collaboration. And other times, we see people that have, I won't say, lost the ability to dream, but have been, have gone through enough that they feel what they need to do is be realistic, and realistic is often settling, and so sometimes people aren't quite ready to dream until we can show them that things can be fixed, and we have to have the vision conversation more slowly over time, but we need some element of like you were saying, like, what's the target? Why are we doing this if I had a magic wand, and sometimes this question works really well, if I had a magic. Wand, what would you fix instantly, and why? Why does that matter? And then I'll ask the opposite question, if I was going to triple your business in the next 30 days, what would break those two questions on both sides, the positive and the negative, if we will, those elude so much opportunity that we really can get to work. So sometimes it's, I, like I said, there's a process. People tend to fall in one or two buckets, but honestly, start dreaming again. And don't be afraid to dream big. And here's, here's the why, here's the reason why. I want to share a personal story that I had. I went to, we go to conferences, right? This is what we do. But I was in a conference for my own edification, and I was looking around the room, and the room was full of guys, which is fine. There just were maybe 20 women in a room of 1000 men. And of those 20 women, I could count on one hand how many women business owners. So first off, I think this is the room I need to be in, right? Because I want to challenge my thinking. And as I'm listening to speaker after speaker, panel after panel, what I find is, is that that room was having 10 million $100 million conversations. And as women, we tend to have million dollar conversations. And I was like, hmm, isn't that interesting? And I asked myself, like, what is the conversation I want to have? What is the conversation I believe I'm is possible for me? And if I'm going to sit here and tell you on this episode that you need to dream bigger, then where's my dreams? Where do I start and stop? And that has been a really huge guiding force over the last three or four years, since that when I say it's it's 10 million now, but I'm already starting to go, what would 100 million look like? Like? What what you get is there? And how easy could I make that happen? And those are the questions that keep my brain really active in solving problems in the company and making bold moves and maybe seeing past, Oh, where am I going to get money to pay for that? Hmm, well, if money wasn't a with money wasn't an issue, what would I do? Oh, I do it anyways. Okay. Well, I can make, I can make money. So I'm going to do the thing that I might have had that gut reaction of like, I don't know if I can afford that. Well, I'm going to go do it now, because I have to, because money was no object. Then I get it done. If I'm going to build the $2 million business, then am I going to worry over $10,000 decision? Doesn't mean I'm going to be silly. It doesn't mean I'm going to fiscally put my business or my family at risk, but it is meaning I'm going to find the solution to fund everything. And we use that word all the time in our own company and with with our clients, is, let's find a way to fund that. Are we going to fund it? Not? How are we going to pay for it? What are we going to have to give up? How are we going to fund that next move? Because I think that's truly what business growth

BEATE CHELETTE:

is about. It's a different mindset, approach, yes, yeah, definitely, wow. This has been amazing. So for somebody now wants to get your book or learn more about you, where should we send them?

Leslie Hassler:

Sure. So I am going to say, come on over to our website. So we have a special page just built for your show. So it's going to be yourbizrules.com, forward slash B, G, A, S for the Business Growth Architect Show, and you're we've got a nice little free gift. If you want the book, there's a quick link there. And if we can be of help to you. There's a way for you to reach out and chat with us about that

BEATE CHELETTE:

Excellent thank you so much. I love that we started so strong on the strategy and the tactics and the logical and then we ended up really in the visioning and the mindset and the creating the business that you actually would like to rule in to use your words. So thank you so much for being

Leslie Hassler:

on the show. Well, thank you for having me. I really enjoyed

BEATE CHELETTE:

it. Thank you so much. And that is it for us today. So if you know somebody who is at this point of perhaps being a little bit angry because they're so overwhelmed, you know what to do, send them a link to the episode of this show so that they can hear Leslie and potentially find some help to solve this immediate problem. And as always, we're grateful for you to be here. We know you have a choice where you spend your time and what you listen to, and we deeply, deeply in gratitude that we are here to serve you in whatever capacity we can. Thank you so much for listening to or watching this episode. And with that, I say goodbye. That's it for this episode of the Business Growth Architect Show Founders of the Future. If you're done playing small and ready to build the future on your terms, subscribe, share and help us reach more Trailblazers like you. And if you're serious about creating, growing and scaling a business that's aligned with who you are, schedule your uncovery session at uncoverysession.com. Lead with vision. You. Move with purpose. Create your future.

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Beate Chelette

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Leslie Hassler

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