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How to Balance Running a 2:57 Marathon With Deadlifting 600lbs with Liam Redmond - #227
Join us as we dive into a masterclass on endurance with the inspiring Liam Redmond. This episode goes beyond basic training tips; it's a deep dive into how running and strength training complement each other. Liam and David explore the essentials of nutrition, from carb-loading to crafting the perfect recovery plan, ensuring you're prepped for the long haul.
We'll also tackle the mental aspects of running, from the resilience needed to qualify for the Boston Marathon to adjusting training with the seasons. Plus, we discuss the hot topic of inclusivity for transgender athletes in sports, balancing competitiveness with fairness.
Along the way, we share personal stories and lessons learned, like my own eye-opening impromptu marathon experience. We'll also touch on the lighter side of health and wellness with a nod to Canadian quirks.
From historical scandals like Rosie Ruiz’s to practical resources for runners, this episode is packed with insights and advice to help you gear up not just for your next race, but for life's broader challenges.
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Join us as we dive into a masterclass on endurance with the inspiring Liam Redmond. This episode goes beyond basic training tips; it's a deep dive into how running and strength training complement each other. Liam and David explore the essentials of nutrition, from carb-loading to crafting the perfect recovery plan, ensuring you're prepped for the long haul.
We'll also tackle the mental aspects of running, from the resilience needed to qualify for the Boston Marathon to adjusting training with the seasons. Plus, we discuss the hot topic of inclusivity for transgender athletes in sports, balancing competitiveness with fairness.
Along the way, we share personal stories and lessons learned, like my own eye-opening impromptu marathon experience. We'll also touch on the lighter side of health and wellness with a nod to Canadian quirks.
From historical scandals like Rosie Ruiz’s to practical resources for runners, this episode is packed with insights and advice to help you gear up not just for your next race, but for life's broader challenges.
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World Strongest Man Mitchell Hooper, Taylor Learmont (Little "T" Fitness), Bruce Boudreau (Vancouver Canucks), Rhonda Rajsich (Most Decorated US Racquetball player), Zach Bitter (Ultra Marathon Runner), Zion Clark (Netflix docuseries), Jana Webb (Founder of JOGA), Ben Johns (#1 Pickleball Player)
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Hey, how are you? Welcome back to the 227th episode of the Athletes Podcast. My name is David Stark, host of the Athletes Podcast. How are we feeling today? Team, we got a good one for you this week. I'm eight weeks out from a half marathon and I appreciate the fact that you're here today. So, because I'm eight weeks out from this half marathon, I decided to bring in one of the best hybrid athletes that I know to crush some carbs and talk about how to balance lifting and running, what nutrition looks like to support this, what you're supposed to do for recovery during these insanely long runs, and you know how. One of those things is tossing back some Perfect Sports Diesel Protein after you use the code AP20 at checkout. I promise you will not be disappointed. As a matter of fact, if you order Perfect Sports Protein right now, send me a message, dm me, send a screenshot. However you want to get in contact, show me that. I guarantee you you will be thrilled and if you're not, let me know. I'll hook you up with another flavor. Whatever it is, we're going to make it happen for you folks. So that's the promise here, the perfect sports promise here today on the Athletes Podcast.
Speaker 1:But we also have a new segment. It's called when Did Dave Do a Doo-Doo? And that moment during this episode is when I try to talk about Rosie Ruiz. And if you haven't heard of Rosie Ruiz, she was a Cuban-American fraudster who, amongst other schemes, was declared the winner in the female category for the 84th Boston Marathon in 1980, only to have her title stripped eight days after the race when it was discovered that she had not run the entire course. So, all this being said, we're on the running train. We're not going to cheat. We're going to try and get this half marathon done in under two hours. And if you are on the running train as well this summer because you know we got some hot girl walks going on I want to make sure that you're involved in our community. We get you going, making sure we're going on runs. Whether we are in Calgary, vancouver, toronto, halifax, wherever we are, we're going to be having some fun. So let me know down below where you're listening from. I appreciate you being a part of this journey. 227 episodes in it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1:And let's get to this episode featuring Liam Redman. Here we go. You're the most decorated racquetball player in US history, world's strongest man, from childhood passion to professional athlete, eight-time Ironman champion. So what was it like making your debut in the NHL? What is your biggest piece of advice for the next generation of athletes, from underdogs to national champions? This is the athletes podcast, where high performance individuals share their triumphs, defeats and life lessons to educate, entertain and inspire the next generation of athletes. Here we go we just keep chatting, the way we were, but now we get to have a little sip. All right, you said you started off by saying carb loading is important, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, carb loading is important. Alcohol is definitely the worst way to do it, but carb loading is for sure important, the uh, the post hangover yo.
Speaker 1:I actually have to start off this by thanking you for a year and eight months at clearco, introducing me to my first million, because their podcast has led to you know their agreement, the gentleman's agreement gentleman's agreement so we have the athlete agreement here on the athletes podcast, yeah, where obviously, if you're watching, consuming this content, you need to hit the subscribe button. It's not free it's not free no free ads and everyone's got to pay to play. That's the way we operate here, so like comment subscribe.
Speaker 2:What are the other asks?
Speaker 1:um a five-star rating yeah or review. Let us know your favorite part about this episode. You're going to learn a lot from liam, probably one of the smartest individuals I know, both in the fitness, health as well as growth business mindset. What else do you do, dude jack of all trades from overseas across the pond, guinness connoisseur yeah, great at splitting the g.
Speaker 2:Uh, you know pretty I'd say pretty above average at salesforce. Um, decent at google sheets. I'm like kind of just slightly above average at Salesforce. Decent at Google Sheets. I'm kind of just slightly above average at most everything I do.
Speaker 1:And you have the ability to run a sub-three-hour marathon. Deadlift over 500.
Speaker 2:Dude over 500? If we're talking hex, I almost made it to just a tad over six.
Speaker 1:Ooh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's pretty good. Once you get into like running, you realize that like hex is like more. Uh, it's not that it's like more impressive than conventional, but it's just more applicable.
Speaker 1:Yeah it is definitely a safer yeah, way to do it too less load on your back, um less injury risk.
Speaker 2:But you know it's funny. It's one of those things where, like I'll give people advice that if they're not into powerlifting or into bodybuilding like my friends who like get into lifting I'll be like, oh yeah, you should do hex, bar deadlift, you don't need the conventional, whatever. Um, I go to the gym. If someone's using the hex in 10 seconds I'm like pulling out the conventional. I'm like maxing out. I'm like one of those like I don't do the advice that I give all the time. But yeah, there is something nice about just maxing out on dads now and then do as I say, not as I do.
Speaker 1:Typically, most trainers fall into that block as well. They're just like oh man, I tell people what to do all day, so I'm not gonna follow my own advice and I'm just gonna f off because they think that they can do it. And that's just not how anything gets done in life. You know whether it's in business, whether it's personal, whether it's fitness. Um, you want to talk about sunday? Oh, that went down a little steamy event, a little wet and steamy yeah, a little wet and steamy.
Speaker 2:Um, so this sunday just gone, uh, did the mississauga full marathon. Um, it was, uh, my fifth full marathon, like actually like in a race around the distance seven times. Two of them were just like casual training runs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, casual, you know, any other Sunday. Um, and like, yeah, when we were talking about, you know, doing this podcast, I was kind of reflecting on all the different races and like I think I've gotten something different out of all of them. Um, obviously this is super recent because it's Wednesday when we're recording this now. Um, but on the race just gone, yeah, biggest thing. So I ran 310.03. My PR is, uh, 257.08, so obviously a, you know decent margin off of that. Um, but the biggest thing was just the conditions were like it was 16 degrees, I think, on the start line, um, and like it finished at like 22.
Speaker 2:When I finished, like uh, it starts in like celebration square, I think it's called in miss saga. Um, it's the second time I've ever been in mississauga so I'm not super familiar with it. Um, and then it like finishes, I think, in poor credit. Um, and it was like 93 percent humidity. Uh, you know big headwinds. So like not the not ideal conditions like the marathon themselves were like emailing people the day before, being like, hey, look after your hydration, all this sort of stuff. There's like a green, yellow, red sort of system for marathons. This was a yellow, which is like less than ideal. So yeah, I don't know how. How in detail should I get with the?
Speaker 1:I mean like recap from from you, from your perspective. Obviously, we learned that not all people PR every single time. You hit your next race Right and sometimes you just got to get after it, and I think that's one thing, even if you're not going to based on your pace and like I'm not a runner, but in 10 weeks I got to run some Calgary half marathon crap and I need to learn from you over the next 45 minutes of how the heck I'm going to do that. But one of the things that I know is that even if I'm not on that pace to make sure I'm sub two hours, which is should be no brain yeah, like two hours should be fine I've been chirped.
Speaker 1:If I don't get that, then I'm gonna have some relationships all apart.
Speaker 2:But either way, uh, even if I was over that pace, you gotta to keep going yeah, yeah, like there's been probably like two, two races where you know very early, relative to like the full marathon distance, where I was like time wise, this is not going the way that I wanted to go, um, and actually, like the one just on sunday it was about after like 3k where I was like my heart rate for how easy I'm running from like a pace perspective, I think my first few Ks I was averaging about 405, 410 per K in between there, which is like uh, two, 57 is like four, 10 per K, um, and I was like, oh yeah, there's no way I'm going to be able to sustain this effort for 42K, even though, like two months ago, I averaged like 345 per K and like the Burlington half.
Speaker 2:But you still have another 40 kilometers, you know, give or take left to run. So at that point it becomes less about like what time can I run today, versus like how can I put in a solid effort, how can I still come away with something good out of this race? And I think it's uh, it's definitely the mental aspect If you can uh push through, uh, like a race that's not going to plan. I think the races where you uh they are going to plan and things feel easy. It makes pushing harder in those races a lot easier because you just know you've gotten through like a much harder race before and you know, having gone from 225 pounds to 145 pounds, what it's like to push through maybe some tough times.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you and I both have a top weight of 225. There's a slight difference in our height I?
Speaker 2:I'm a couple inches shorter than you, Dave.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe two, but man, I didn't know that. What year was that?
Speaker 2:It would have been when I was like 15. I'm 29 now, so you know it's a long-ish time ago now, but it would have been 2010.
Speaker 1:Dude fitness when you get exposed to what it's like to feel good, get after it, move your body. I mean, what was your experience like before that? Because you were playing rugby as a kid.
Speaker 2:You were playing a couple other sports, so obviously you're just focused on being bulky yeah, it was a mix of like being bulky and you know, like you know, when you're a kid and you're just playing like you know a handful of you're playing like sports like every other every other day, you're like you've got this match on Sunday, this training on Wednesday, and then, like you're doing so much. What happened with me was like I was doing swimming, rugby, gaelic football all through, like up until I was like 12 ish, I think, and then I stopped playing Gaelic football and swimming and was only playing rugby. So my, my frequency went way down in terms of how much I was training. You're a kid, so you're eating like a, like an idiot, all the time. And I just got way more into video games and honestly, it was just like, from there it's just like a sliding, slippery scale of like getting fat.
Speaker 1:I think yo, but it stands true sean purey's statement around people who excel at video games are probably going to excel at anything when they put their mind to it yeah, that's 100.
Speaker 2:true. Like guaranteed, the people who get really into like getting good at video games that I've like known and seen not all of them, but definitely a decent amount are always able to like take that skill and apply it to like something else and I know that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sales, the like Toby Lutka guy, the CEO of Shopify. He's really into like I think during COVID he was streaming Starcraft On like Twitch or something what, which is like crazy, like real time strategy game. It's like the national sport in korea, um. But yeah, there's definitely like a crossover between very good at gaming, very good at like you know, any sort of high-level recreational sports, and then like good at business. It's just like gamifying anything and getting good at it.
Speaker 1:Yes, being good at the game being good at the game you gotta be in the game. That's what alex hormosi says. That's what Alex Hormozy says. That's what I'm trying to think of any other influencer. Do we spend a lot of time reviewing emails, sequences, templates? Tell me about how you apply, how you've been able to have success in business, to athletics, because I feel like you can just slide between the two now. I feel like you can just slide between the two.
Speaker 2:now, yeah, I think like the biggest things that you learn having success in business is like, honestly, in my experience, just following, you know like the small signals, data points of like what's working, so like with outbound, or like cold email, or you know sales. You're always kind of like looking at data points like who are the best, you know industries to go after personas, you figure out the right triggers, but it's all like essentially just like data analysis so how do you?
Speaker 2:you review your data so, like now, like when I'm looking at it in terms of like when I used to power lift or like now that I'm running, the metrics that you're looking at are like what's my weekly mileage? Like, how much am I sleeping um? What's my average pace on this run? Uh, how much time did I spend in threshold this week? What, uh, like, how much time have I spent at race pace this week? What's the like, fastest kilometer that I've ran this week? So, like it's all just like a combination of your kind of intensity metrics and running, uh, your heart rate, and then just like your total volume, like weekly mileage, yeah you ever go for some crazy long runs, or is 42k your cap?
Speaker 2:uh, the longest run I've done was 43k uh, and I actually just went out for like a 35k training run. It was in my build-up to my 257 uh last summer and like, honestly, I just went out for 35k, like I said, was like running through like Tommy Thompson uh park, which anyone who's like been in Toronto ran around Toronto, biked around Toronto like super early in the morning. Tommy thompson is like insane, it's beautiful, um. And then I was like running back and I was already at 38k and I was like fuck, I'm basically at a marathon.
Speaker 2:I might as well just like do it yeah and I think like the split obviously it's just strava gps was like 308 in like a training run and like the day before I had like carb loaded like I would for any training run but like uh, yeah, it was just like a marathon on another sunday.
Speaker 1:There's nothing like clocking in your strava and then getting a text or a kudos from liam one way or another. Whether it's good or bad being like yo. What happened to your ankle?
Speaker 2:yeah, what? Just what happened to your calf?
Speaker 1:you gotta tell me dude, I just strained it, man I was. I didn't warm up properly that's my, that's what I'm going with didn't hydrate properly, didn't fuel properly. It's one of the things that I've been definitely working on, especially being on the road traveling. It's just like I'm it's excuses, but I haven't been able to prioritize it as much as I probably should yeah and I feel like that's one thing that you've been able to excel at.
Speaker 1:Continue to just keep in tip-top shape is like focusing on nutrition, making sure that's dialed in, because I saw you crushing your 800 carbs before that yeah how do you?
Speaker 2:do it, dude? How do you do nutrition? Um, so I guess like the first thing is like always planning ahead, looking at like the days that you have coming up, and like I've definitely gotten more into nutrition the more I've got into running. I think when you're into like bodybuilding or the gym or fitness, it's all about. Usually you're looking at nutrition from like I want to get shredded and get abs for the beach perspective. What are you talking about? Never heard of that. It's hard about.
Speaker 1:Usually you're looking at nutrition from like I want to get shredded and get abs for the beach perspective. What are you talking about? Never heard of that. It's hard though, dude.
Speaker 2:No, not saying it isn't hard, but when you're looking at nutrition from a performance perspective, I think, like when you've been on a long run, that's like two, two and a half hours long, and you feel flat because you didn't eat enough carbs the day before, or like you didn't hit a pace or a split, like and you're still like trying as hard as you can. When you've like felt the difference of those two things, I think you just know how important it is. So, like taking a day where you're trying to hit 800 grams of carbs, uh, as a goal, for, as an example, you just got to start super early. Like I would wake up and like, first thing I'm eating like two bagels which is like the ones you get from farm boy are there, I think they're like 80 carbs each and then have like a banana with that some honey. You're hitting 200 grams of carbs out of the gate.
Speaker 2:When I was like into fitness and bodybuilding and trying to be shredded, I might eat 200 grams of carbs in a day when I was training. You know what I mean. So I'm like I'm probably in better like lean sort of like condition now. So it's funny.
Speaker 1:But how would you balance that, though, because you've seen both ends of the spectrum?
Speaker 2:yeah, I think balance in that perspective comes down to like if you're eating 800 grams of carbs and you're not running 100k a week, what are you doing like? What's the? What's the? What are you doing?
Speaker 1:for it.
Speaker 2:You know, like I think getting very uh in line between your intake, especially carbs, and endurance sports and what is your actual like activity level, learning that balance is very important because if you're under fueling that's how you get injured and if you're well, actually I don't know if you like really can over fuel, but I guess it's like if you're gaining weight and running like 100k a week like that yo someone could do that.
Speaker 1:That'd be, I feel like that's like pretty hard.
Speaker 2:You have to be really like I don't know, I don't even know why you have to be doing. But you know, like christian blumenfeld, I don't know if you know like the iron man sort of guy he's like has like the world record in or I think it was been broken, but in like the full iron man, um him and kind of that big like norwegian elite end of the iron man world. They're like eating like nobody else and their uh trainer or coach is this guy called like Olav something and it's like the pinnacle of this like kind of elite endurance, like little bubble that's circulated and like started out of Norway but he looks at training for Ironman or triathlon from like a demand based perspective.
Speaker 2:So, he's just looking at okay, if they're doing 36 hours of training in a week, the constraint or the limiter is just the caloric intake that they need to perform that. So he's like literally looking at how many calories are they burning per hour per day? And if they're not meeting that, how can they expect to like perform? Right just a super long wind way of saying like, yeah, when you get to these like high levels of endurance, like sports, carbs and calories are are everything it's uh, it's tough to.
Speaker 1:I was just watching that phil heath documentary in edmonton where you might have said that I out angled him.
Speaker 2:He did for sure, like I showed that photo to like my old, like bodybuilding friends that I used to go to the gym with in my early 20s, being like this guy is like my friend and like he's a big guy but he's not huge or anything. Like you know, you're in good shape, you're. You know, six, two, six, three yeah, sure, we'll go with that.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, six, two, six, three in a suit.
Speaker 2:And then I was like, look at him beside phil heath and they would know phil heath from the olympia stage. I would show that photo to like people. They'd be like what the fuck?
Speaker 1:uh. Yeah, dude, it was, that was uh, but I so thank you for the compliment. First, I appreciate it? Uh, it's not the case. That guy's a massive human being and just like so. It was just out angling it just was strategic photo grief, photo skills, um, and it wasn't even strategic, it just happened um. But watching how he and other bodybuilders like I was just at pure muscle and antoine valier, and I think you know him as well- I think I've seen you post him, yeah anyway.
Speaker 1:so he was down there and I just watched he was training someone, but he's literally got a tupperware that he's shoveling food down as he's training someone and it's like you know, that's just part of the gig.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And they're eating for hours per day, shoveling food into their mouth, and I'm like I have been trying to get my 3,500 cows in and that is a struggle.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's like two 250 grams of protein, if I'm lucky and it's just that's so hard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think like it all comes down to like preparation. Yeah, I noticed the days that I'm in office. So I'm like typically in the office two days a week. If I'm like in a really like high intense period of training like, let's say, I'm typically doing my uh like running workout on a wednesday. I'm like having a shake like running workout on a Wednesday, I'm like having a shake and some carbs like a bagel or something. Immediately after I'm done. I'm having some carbs before like a gel or some sort of drink, um, but then plus three hours after that it could be like I'm in the office at like 11, 11, 30 if I'm not consciously bringing in a meal between then and like the lunchtime meal like two or one whenever you have time between your calls.
Speaker 2:Like I'm planning out my day in terms of like increments of hitting that like muscle protein synthesis every three to four hours as like an endurance athlete yeah, but I'm doing it from the perspective of, like, if I don't do that, I can feel how hungry I'm getting and I just know I'm not recovering as well as I could. Plus, I just know that, like, I'm not going to be performing as well the next day. Yeah, it's like a two-fold sort of thing, and you're just hungry at the moment, you know so like three, three things you're trying to like solve for here yeah, and that is the that is.
Speaker 1:It is. It does come down to preparation, and because your body gets accustomed to not eating as much and then it lowers down and then it's even worse, you're just like harder to get that fuel in. Um, I have to also say thank you, dude, for how detailed you were with this sheet, because I just get to pull it up and you did so much more than any other guest previously has ever done.
Speaker 2:I'm not kidding, dude, uh I think that goes to show how you do. One thing is how you do everything. It's the preparation, you know kudos to you, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hopefully that next gen listens. I there's value in showcasing people and you know I'm deliberate with who I bring on the show. I think you know that and it's from conversations like guys like zach bitter and like, where you had a couple questions I that I brought up on that episode and it was like, okay, there's something to be learned and that everyone can learn from each individual. That's what I've learned after 227 episodes of this show.
Speaker 1:Doesn't matter whether you are a pole vaulter or high jumper, shot putter, wrestler, olympic runner, lifter, sprinter there's always something that someone's doing that's probably a little bit better than what you're doing. And you can take pieces of that puzzle and plug it in and it's a thousand piece puzzle and after that you're probably going to be a pretty well-rounded human being, athlete, high performer that's able to manage a full-time job relationship and like like I think one of the admirable things about what you've been able to do is carve it out in an entirely new country. Family's still overseas, right? Yeah, like, that's not easy to do by any stretch of the imagination and I think one of the things that you should share is how you've been able to do all of that see success in business and like now, what are your future goals? Because you just mentioned 29. I mean at 15 you were 225 pounds. Yeah, like are you? Are you trying to be like a zach bitter guy? Like long term, is that the goal?
Speaker 2:yeah, I don't think I'll be uh in the ultra type space for a while. It does interest me to do it at some point I could see you doing it.
Speaker 1:You had enough questions.
Speaker 2:Your, your eyes were pure, like I'm definitely. I have that sick sort of like thing in my head where I want to do like a 50 mile, 100 mile at some point, but I think the more immediate stuff for me is uh, boston marathon was pretty recent. Yeah, it is a goal of mine to run boston. Um, I'm not qualified or have not run a qualifying time for 2025 yet, so I'm kind of planning out. This race that I just did was meant to be like that race, so I was like training from like a fitness perspective to get there and, like all of my earlier training races indicated that, um, you know, I was heading in the right direction. So I think it's actually like interesting now to see, okay, now, that that is not the case. Well, you know, what am I going to do now? Because, like, boston is very like I don't know how much you know about the qualification window, but it's like to qualify for the one in 2025.
Speaker 2:You basically have between september 2023 and september 2024, like mid september, to run, so for my age category it's under three hours and then, based on how many people apply that year, they add an additional cutoff. So to run the 2024 one, you would have had to run 254, 29 or 31 I think, and the fastest I ran is 257, 08, and it's probably going to get faster every year. Yeah, so I need to run probably under 250, um, and my half marathon time extrapolates to like a 245, but the conditions between the day of my half marathon, my most recent race were just totally different, um. So now my immediate kind of like short-term, medium-term goal is there's a race called last chance bq. It's on like the first uh week of september and it's like this race that's set up for specifically qualifying for boston hence the name yeah, they set up like those elite sort of like drink tables for every entrant and there's only like 300 people.
Speaker 2:You have to have ran like very close to the boston time so I think it's like under three hours, but not the cutoff.
Speaker 2:So I'm eligible for this thing. I only saw it the other day after I was like doom scrolling after running 310 on Monday. So that's the immediate goal or, I guess, medium term goal. I'm signed up for a 10K about 40 days from now that I ran last year that I ran 38 minutes in what? Yeah, but that's dude, 38 minutes in the 10k isn't even fast like I feel. Like I listen to all these running podcasts and the times that people run are insane. Uh, in my half marathon most recently I ran like a 37 something 10k in the first thing. So my fitness in a short space of time has gotten like way, way ahead of even where it was like last, uh, last year, last summer. So I'll probably try to at least break 37 minutes.
Speaker 1:Probably 36 mid would be a nice run for that 10k drop a comment down below if you can run anything close to 36 or less than 40 minute 10k, because I can't, I'd love to know. Go ahead.
Speaker 2:Sorry to cut you off, no, no all good, uh, so like that's the goal. I'm also signed up for the waterfront marathon here in mid-october, but, uh, that doesn't qualify the qualifying window.
Speaker 1:Yeah shit, where's that bq? One last chance bq.
Speaker 2:I think it's in like illinois you making the trip no, yeah, for real, yeah, yeah, you should uh that's the plan, like right now heck, yeah, I you know, I have full confidence you'll crush it if you're there yeah, I mean, I think like if I get a day that's like even remotely cold or like I was talking about this with my girlfriend because she runs as well not as seriously as me, but like she ran like a 156 half, so you know she's moving, yeah, I have to be 156, yeah, yeah no, you do um, but like I've ran three marathons now in, like the spring season, and they've all been late april or early may, I've ran 310, and all of them in my fall race.
Speaker 2:Every year I've ran 259 or 257 damn so I'm really starting to think that, like I don't know if it's my pasty, irish genetics or whatever, but like training all winter to run an early fall race when it's hotter doesn't seem to set me up as well versus training all summer when it's a bit hotter and running a cooler race in the fall have you been doing your sauna sessions?
Speaker 2:well, that's the thing like you know, after you have like a result where it doesn't go your way, you're like analyzing, like what happened? Where can I improve my game? All this sort of stuff heat training or sauna is like a an area that I haven't, I haven't explored, I haven't I know all the benefits. I've listened to the podcast, dr ronda.
Speaker 1:Clearly you weren't listening to the athletes podcast.
Speaker 2:No, I'm fully aware, but it's just like I haven't been. You know I wasn't anticipating a very hot race, so you know it just goes to show you that, like what you don't plan for, you can't. You know, everyone's got a plan until life's punched in the face, whatever, yeah.
Speaker 1:Mike Tyson baby, no, I only have to bust your balls a little bit because I could not even run close to a 310, but I do sit in the sauna and that's my justification. I'm like, hey, listen, I'm heat training, yeah, and like I know that 20 minutes in the sauna four days a week, according to dr ronda patrick, is it's like as good as low intensity steady state cardio.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you and it's it's ridiculous how much better and I like I would sauna religiously after workouts and I had done no cardiovascular training and months in between, and then I'd go up for a run. I'm like, oh, this is all right, yeah, yeah and I'm not a runner. We yeah we, you guys can see, but I'm working on it and I'm like I can sauna and have this replace one or two running sessions all day. Yeah, all day.
Speaker 2:It's the best thing, dude. The sauna isn't easy either. Like I've done a couple like epsom salt baths where it's like reasonably hot and like I'll like really like crank it up as hot as my toe can go, like sitting there for 20 minutes. Usually I'm doing that for like a recovery muscle soreness type thing, um, but like it's not easy to stay in, it's hot that's that mental fortitude right there.
Speaker 2:I mean, I can, I can do it, I can finish it, but like it is like a train sort of thing, because like I've gone to sauna in altia, you know know the big bougie gym over here with my buddy. Just hooked up one of our clients with the membership there, yeah, but uh, you got to hook me up with the membership Wow.
Speaker 1:Are you a professional women's hockey league athlete?
Speaker 2:No, not quite Not yet.
Speaker 1:That's where we're going to the game. After you bailed on me. Maybe one day, yeah, um yeah. The sauna, the sauna's not easy, dude, you know. Actually, on that, no hold on bc, did you see that there was a full-on male transgender who won the female division and it's just like dominated over the past year?
Speaker 2:yeah, I saw was this in. Where was it again?
Speaker 1:bc my hand.
Speaker 2:That's why it pisses me off yeah, I saw it in the news.
Speaker 1:I saw it in kind of like running instagram circles yeah, yeah all that stuff in, like transgender sports, they should obviously be allowed to compete, but when it's like, yeah, I don't know let me just sauce for 20 years and then get off it, jump into a division where no one else has been on the sauce, yeah and compete against them yeah, it's the equivalent I.
Speaker 2:I think it's like it's. It's crazy it's tough. It's tough not to get too no, no of course, like definitely they should be allowed to like compete. They should just have their own, have their own thing like, especially like in uh combat sports. The ufc it's dangerous yeah, joe rogan's obviously talked a lot about that. But like, yeah, I mean I'm all for everyone competing, but like it just doesn't physiologically make sense. Yeah, something we got to bring up.
Speaker 1:We're on a podcast talking athletes. This is just yeah, you know, and sensitive subjects still need to be talked about, right? So I'm walking through Tommy Thompson Park and or maybe running hopefully ideally and it's in the morning and I get a little head nod from Liam Redmond. What does that mean? What's the runner's head nod?
Speaker 2:do the I don't know how much you know about this like little runner's code, but the thing about running the little head nod, it's all about the wave the little and when I moved here and I started running, I had never ran anywhere before.
Speaker 2:I'd done a couple laps in my neighborhood growing up, but not seriously. At the start I was like why the fuck is everyone waving at me like this is so. I just hadn't come across before, yeah. But now I kind of like obviously know the runner's code, you're out there like long enough.
Speaker 1:Um, if you don't like, give the little back, dude, that's, that's tough not kosher I'm still not an instigator on the wave, but like, if people wave I'll wave back, for sure well and you have it going both directions, typically because you're going up and down lakeshore so you'll see someone going down the other direction. Yeah and uh, I feel like reading books like breath by james nester contribute tremendously to you being able to train the way that you do fact yeah, I mean like you can even see the little like book thing here in front of you Breath from James Nestor, great Nasal breathing.
Speaker 2:The summary is just like slow nasal breaths are the key, especially on your easy runs. If you can't like nasal breathe, you're probably running too hard.
Speaker 1:Do you mouth tape?
Speaker 2:You know I've tried it for sleeping. I have a bunch of mouth tape in there. I I don't notice like a profound, I'm better the next day or I feel more recovered or anything. Um, I think honestly the biggest improvement I've seen in sleep is, uh, have you taken this pillar performance stuff?
Speaker 2:no it's basically like a very high quality magnesium product. Okay, it has like three, four different types of magnesium. All the iron man triathlete guys are taking it. Um, you definitely get more deep sleep at least on the trackers from taking it. All the fucking trackers are not accurate at all but like, if you like, take it the next day. You will for sure wake up and feel oh, this is better than my baseline sleep yeah, you, uh.
Speaker 1:You probably have some of the best sleep scores I've seen on the internet I mean I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm not quite at the brian, whatever johnson blueprint level, but for your average weekend warrior, my sleep is hella consistent.
Speaker 1:No one is quite like brian johnson, though. Let's be clear. No, no, what are you? Where do you think you would cut it off if you were him like? Are you going long?
Speaker 2:ago yeah, long ago, dude, probably when I started getting trolls for looking like a blood-soaking vampire. But I mean, he's obviously doing a great service for the, the human race. But yeah, he's taking it pretty far. I'm not actually sure what his angle is anymore because he seems to be crossing into very clickbaity Instagram-y.
Speaker 1:Dude, he's building a business.
Speaker 2:I know, I know, yeah, but are you building a business or are you doing it for mankind?
Speaker 1:Yeah, no he claims to be doing it for mankind. I think we got to chat with him, but I think there's also some come on, brian, get on the pod.
Speaker 1:He said it. Uh, evan, our ceo at expert vr, is on the blueprint diet and oh nice um. I talked about it with justin roethlingshofer, who is a performance coach from own it, who started he started. Own it just released a book shout out to him, actually number one bestseller on new york times. But, that being said, he was like custom versus kind of. It's a quote-unquote blueprint where it's standardized 3 000 people all going through the same kind of system. Yeah, it's not necessarily catered to you directly, which is same as that magnesium product. It might be great for 95 of people, but there's some things that other people are deficient in that they just might not even be aware of. So that's why it's important to go get your stuff tested to your point testing, data analyzing have you ever done that like inside tracker testing stuff?
Speaker 1:jonathan levitt actually sent me a tracker. He an inside tracker code to go get it done, but it's all in the states we're dude being in canada.
Speaker 2:We're handcuffed canada. There is nothing here. It's the worst. There is nothing.
Speaker 1:It's the worst and then we're just getting taxed 60 on everything now, thanks to mr trudeau shout out justin trudeau.
Speaker 2:Every instagram page. Every canadian I see just hates justin trudeau. Like I'm obviously not canadian, so I'm not super opinionated about it, but this guy must be the most hated guy out there, dude he's definitely on his way to becoming it, if he's not already um as a.
Speaker 1:I was having this discussion with liam gummo, who I was staying with, and it's like I used to be so proud as a canadian of where we were at as a society in the nation, not to get political here, because I think at a certain point they start censoring podcasts. Have you chirped too hard? So I don't want to dig too hard at the Canadian you know establishment and yeah, shout out Canada.
Speaker 2:Cause I'm still here. Thanks for letting me in Shout out Canada.
Speaker 1:I'm still here, right, and I want to be here. But when there's 10x the opportunities at every level, it's tough, like I can't get the same stuff done, I can't get the same exposure, can't get the same guests. I got to travel up here to toronto to talk with guys like you and, but I got to go down to austin to get guys like zach bitter right, and you know there's value in both.
Speaker 2:But when we have some obnoxious rules getting put in place, it's uh, I don't know, it's tough, crazy dude you remember, uh, not to go like way too off track, but I remember when, uh I can't remember how I started looking into this, but have you seen this video of trudeau in like a boxing match?
Speaker 2:yes I can't remember how I stumbled across this one time, but I just remember seeing this video. Anyone who's never seen it like just search. Like justin trudeau boxing match. He legit had it out with some guy for like I don't know 10 rounds or something.
Speaker 1:Um, I was just watching it being like I can't believe this guy is the prime minister having like a white collar boxing match I guess, uh, you know you got to get your vote somehow and, uh, maybe I, I think there's just, there's just a lot that needs to be done. Yeah, there's a lot that can be improved. That's where. That's where we'll leave it. Um, I have a question do you remember the 1980 boston marathon?
Speaker 2:since you were bringing it up, yeah, I, I don't, I can't say I do.
Speaker 1:Do you know who won the female one of that?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:I believe her name was Annabelle Ruiz. She faked it.
Speaker 2:She faked it oh.
Speaker 1:Do you remember this story? No, have you heard?
Speaker 2:about this. I've heard about a bunch of running-related fake marathon results, but I have not heard this specific one.
Speaker 1:Her last name ruiz. She was basically a fraudster in boston who claimed to run the marathon, got interviewed. After she's got her gold medal on, I'm pretty sure she took the bus for like half the trip.
Speaker 1:Got all the way around yeah eight days later they stripped her of their medal. But they asked her after they're like what were your splits? Like, what was all your training? She's like splits, I don't know, and I imagine that being me post race being like, uh, I don't know, I just ran and like this is what I finished with yeah where do you?
Speaker 1:what would be your recommendation for a brand new beginner, a brand new runner just getting into the sport? Books, they would read, podcasts. They should listen to. What are you pushing them? So? Books, they would read, podcasts they should listen to.
Speaker 2:What are you pushing them? So books, they would read podcasts and then just like general tips. Before I get into any of that, there's this great story of like kind of similar vein to what you just described. Uh, in the dublin marathon, shout out dublin, my, my hometown. Yeah, um, this guy who was on like the garda, which is like the police in ireland, he was like the ethics and trust commissioner in the police and he cheated in the marathon. I can't remember if it was that he like took a taxi or a bike for half of it, but like legit, he was like the most like high up ethical trust in the police and cheated in the dublin marathon.
Speaker 2:Anyway, just funny story sam bankman frees yeah but yeah, the books you gotta read, so we're obviously the great benefit of you can literally see most of my books here in front of me.
Speaker 2:Um, the most important one that I would refer people to is this one here called the daniels Running Formula. This teaches you on a very scientific level how to run, how to train, how to periodize training. It gets very scientific, very detailed, so I'm not going to go super into it. But, yeah, daniel's Running Formula very, very solid information.
Speaker 2:In terms of podcasts, depending on if you want to just like listen to more practical stuff around training or if you want entertainment the OG entertainment podcasts for running, definitely inside running. It's like this podcast by three elite Australian marathoners. It's a good balance between them going through their training weeks and then just like chirping each other, but it's like the things you hear them talk about in their training weeks. Week after week. You kind of pick up a lot of like small things that you wouldn't know otherwise. Another one is coffee club, also a bunch of australian guys.
Speaker 2:Australia is just this huge hub of like elite runners in the podcast scene for some reason. But that's where I picked up this thing about. Oh, when you're not running as much, your tendons might feel a little bit off compared to when you're running higher mileage. So when you're just listening to them passively. When you're out on these easy runs, you actually pick up so many of these little tidbits of information by osmosis and then I definitely would be remiss to not shout out uh, sweatily. More known for their youtube channel, but they do have a podcast where they talk about running news, training, training tips, also all sorts of things running related I think that's the best part.
Speaker 1:Like a mind pump, media is also one that's similar. There's three guys. They're just chopping it up man you learn so much through that incognito. Um yo, do you also see the hardest geezer dude? Yeah, insane, top to bottom africa baby row.
Speaker 2:He was like robbed a gunpoint like five times or something. He ran the london marathon, like just last weekend, after running the entire length of africa. Well, you know, we can have two weeks in between, but we'll give it to him. Um, I think he ran around like a 430 but like dude, I cannot even imagine how fucked up his body is yo, that's what it takes to be the hardest geezer.
Speaker 2:Clearly no he's earned hardest geezer for sure, like no one can take that away from him I uh open invitation to him as well, but that's yo when I see people do that.
Speaker 1:Uh, such lottie who's a friend of mine out in bc actually he's running 60 kilometers per day for 52 days. He's going to go cross country next year. Hopefully help him with that. But, like, how do you wrap your? Is that something you could see yourself doing once you get the miles under your belt? Like, is that just the how capable your body becomes and how resilient, or do you need to be have that little extra mental gear? That's like, uh, something's, something's not quite screwed in properly yeah, I think it's probably a bit of both.
Speaker 2:I remember listening to uh, a podcast on zach bitter's podcast, and I was with this firefighter guy who had strung together like three years or something andy glaze I could have been that.
Speaker 2:I can't remember he's coming on probably him yeah but like he was talking about how his build-up to that was very, very gradual and he had just been running for like 10 or 15 years or something. So I don't know if I would ever, you know, get to running like three years of 100 mile weeks or running across continents. It sounds cool in theory, but, yeah, I don't know if I actually would get to that. One thing that does sound interesting is that you've probably seen the speed project on recently.
Speaker 1:We just had our last guest, yeah.
Speaker 2:Like. To me that seems like really cool. There's something about that that's super cool, Especially the relay where you're not running the whole time.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because I think my goals for the next few years are really just around performance and getting faster. Before I like really entertain the idea of doing the long stuff more seriously, but it does seem like very cool to do it at some point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, performance is what we should all be striving for. I think you know it looks cool to be up on stage, bodybuilding be shredded, but you're not at peak health.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You're definitely not at your peak performance level. Maybe aesthetically you're at your peak, but like, maybe for a couple days and then the rebound is way worse, and that's a whole other issue you got to deal with, right? Yeah?
Speaker 2:I mean I was telling one of my friends recently who's like an avid gym guard, more of a gym rat sort of guy, and like when I started really like eating for performance, my aesthetics actually improved because I was just going into every like I still lift like five, six days a week.
Speaker 2:Um, and like before when I was on the like you know shred to fuck 2,800 calories a day type thing you could get shredded for a certain event, but you feel like dog shit the whole time, especially like I'm obviously like natural, like I'm not even close to being big enough to even be, you know, suspicious of being enhanced, but like, yeah, just feel terrible the whole time. Um, versus like when you're running, you know 80 to 100k a week I can eat three, three and a half thousand calories a day, no problem, and still, you know, have abs for the whole year, which is like really that's just the goal. Abs, a little bit of veins and kind of like throw some weights around in the gym, you know, and run like, you know, a sub three hour marathon.
Speaker 1:It's really that's the goal abs veins and throw the weights around.
Speaker 2:That's a t-shirt, dude, that's a t-shirt like when you're in the gym now training, because you're obviously training a couple years, like 10 years. Are you around 10 years? Eight, yeah, probably grade 10?
Speaker 1:I started 27 now. So about? Is there anything? Better than just throwing no dude nothing and like, especially if you get a good gym buddy and you got some extra motivation, that of the female client around you like, oh man, best weights throw up, like yeah, it's. There's just something different about it when the gym's busy, when there's just another level that you can get to, when there's that energy around you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's tough to describe and there was a. I heard some bodybuilder talking about his like 900, 850 pound squat. He's like there's something about my vertebrae compressing under the spine here. That just gets me going and he said it was like it's that or the runner's high yeah, he's like I've never felt it from any other thing other than being under that bar with 800 plus pounds or running yeah, the heaviest that I've squatted was like 445.
Speaker 2:This is back in like my powerlifting days, jeez, and like I can show you the video after this, like I almost got crushed by the weight at the bottom, roll forward a little bit, but like I was like taking powerlifting as seriously then as I take running now, so I just had so much like I'm going to say brute strength rather than like great technique, yeah, that I really just like Wield it up, wield it back up, but like dude, I remember feeling that there was a huge rush at the time, but for sure, my favorite lift of all time is like deadlifting, conventional, like 545. I have this great video in like. This was arguably one of the more like hardcore weightlifting powerlifting gyms in Dublin. It was called raw, raw condition. Uh, they had two locations, but uh, shout out, raw, that's where you went right after high school, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, right after high school day, after dude literally the last exam signed up for my gym membership to get to get after it. But, um, yeah, I remember feeling a huge rush deadlifting 545. I was so like I don't know what it was about, like deadlifting that weight, but it was just a big goal for a long time and it felt like real weight.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, I hexbar. Deadlifted at sam paylow's 525, I think and yeah that was a big one, yeah, and I didn't like know that I could do it and I haven't tested it since then, but it's like you get over five bills on there. It's that's saying something.
Speaker 2:You know it's not. It's not nothing, you know it's definitely not nothing once you get over five like. One thing I've noticed about the deadlift not to, you know, get super inside baseball about the deadlift, but fuck it, we're here. Um, I've noticed that out of any lift that it's one that I cannot touch for a long time, but because I've been like pretty consistent over the longterm of years that like I could not deadlift for a month or two, when I go back to it it shoots right up, it's because it's still recruiting so many muscles within the body.
Speaker 1:Right, it's not just like a bicep curl where, like, if I don't do these, my biceps are going to get smaller and not as strong. But if, if you're still consistent in the gym, working your whole body, theoretically not a lot of that is going to regress to the point where your deadlift goes down.
Speaker 2:It seems like that's my justification yeah, that could be a um I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm a fitness enthusiast dude, dude like we talked about earlier and yo I want to make sure we cover everything that you wanted to cover on this.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah, we went pretty far off topic there, but your tips about running your half marathon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's go through that.
Speaker 2:We can get back to that I think that'll actually check off a lot of boxes.
Speaker 1:Perfect boxes.
Speaker 2:So I think, uh. So I ran a 119, 24, 25 in the burlington half at the start of uh march. Uh, which is about like 346 per k. So I signed up for this about three or four weeks prior but I was planning to like generally train for the marathon and was like pretty fit by the time I started to like when I signed up for this race and, like just in the last like three to four weeks leading up to it, I got a bit more specialized in my training specifically for the half. So the best tips that I could give you, going from like very like macro level to like very micro level to the race macro level is, like you got to get your base weekly mileage to a point where it's as high as possible, where you're like still performing at a decent level like every session. So if that's 30 K per week for you like start at 30 K, do that for a month and then, uh, you know if you can get it up to like 35, 40 the next month, great, if you're feeling like shit from 30 K, it's obviously not worth injuring yourself. Um, that's like like very like macro, like how to get started running.
Speaker 2:When I started running. I was really only running like three to four times per week as much as I felt recovered and as much as felt fun. I was averaging, you know, like 60 minutes a run somewhere around there, but I wasn't doing any like crazy long runs. I might do a 90 minute run at the weekend if I felt good, but really at the start for me it was just about how frequently could I do it where it was fun, that the activity itself was actually like the motivation to do it Cause I was enjoying it. More specific around like the race is like you got to have like a goal time in mind, right, so you said you were trying to break two hours more Definitely 156.
Speaker 1:I think you said let's go with 155 now and make sure I don't hear it from you yeah, yeah, nice um so 155.
Speaker 2:I can't think about what that pace is offhand, but it's somewhere like around 5, 5, 30. I can't think okay yeah, something like that. But regardless of what the actual exact pace is, whatever you're planning to run in the race, you got to build up a decent amount of volume of like running at that intensity right so like a good way to do.
Speaker 2:That is like, let's say, you do like, uh, you know you could start by doing five by three minutes at that pace on like a wednesday or something so like typically, when you're setting up like a weekly uh, you know training schedule for running, you're doing a long run sunday and you're doing you know one to two sessions or more like workouts per week where one could be more vo2 max, shorter intervals. One is doing like longer sessions, like like two miles, one mile, 10 minute blocks, whatever, and then you're filling everything in between with like easy running, easy mileage, zone two. So if you were targeting like a 155 half, you would do five by three minutes. Week one at the pace you would need to run for a 155 half. The next week you could do five by four minutes. The next week, five, do five by four minutes.
Speaker 2:The next week, five by five the next week five by six you know, yeah, just progressively overloading progressively overloaded like that, to the point where maybe you start doing like on a sunday because you know every runner typically does their long run on sunday maybe you do like 30 minutes of warm-up and then you know whatever 15, something of cool down, but in between, after warming up, you do like 4 by 3k at your half marathon goal pace, something like that.
Speaker 2:That would be a pretty like advanced workout okay, you'd maybe start at like 3 by 3k at your half marathon pace. But like the whole, you know the exacts are not important, but the general theory is like if you're not doing a decent amount of volume at that pace in training and are able to handle it, uh, you're not going to suddenly be able to handle it on a race day.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean I do, I uh did a try, a try. Uh, probably a year ago now, almost now, flew to halifax right before it was, I guess it was six eight.
Speaker 2:I remember seeing on your instagram story was this big rush to see if you're gonna make the race or something on time it was ridiculous.
Speaker 1:It was ridiculous, but uh, we made it and uh, we, we finished.
Speaker 1:By no means at any breakneck speed, but we finished and uh, just a testament to hard work and, uh, poor hydration, but that seems to be a common theme here over the course of this past episode. But yeah, either way, we've learned a bit about you. Take some element, you get that in your system prior to racing. You get some perfect sports diesel protein. Um, yeah, they did send some stuff. We can give them a little little free ad, but, uh, perfect sports diesel protein which we're going to hook you up with does actually make the best protein in Canada, Now in Mongolia, Singapore they're heading everywhere.
Speaker 2:They're all over the map. It's crazy. Actually, Dude, they'll be fueling Genghis Khan's relatives out of Mongolia. That's wild.
Speaker 1:Across the world, man Across the world and they'll be fueling all of Huberman's friends and folks who listen to his episodes. That's where we gain a ton of knowledge. That's where you've gathered a ton of your knowledge as well. I gather who are those people that you would suggest folks listen to as we wrap up here, or if there's any other piece of advice that you want to leave our guests with or listeners with. I should say, not our guests. I usually wrap up by asking the biggest piece of advice for the next gen, and I think an interesting segment here would be for you to share who those other people would be. Maybe not in the running specific space, but I think you also do a lot of self-development work. You're just a very smart individual and I think people should listen to what you have to say both from a personal physical standpoint, like you know how they're gonna get better.
Speaker 2:So I think, with the whatever advice to the next gen, I think the number one thing would be like, if you do these physical, you know things that scare you and that are really hard. I actually don't think it matters if it's a 5k, 10k, half marathon, try full 70.3. It doesn't matter. You should set a big goal that's like six to nine months in the future. That scares you a little bit, because if you do that, it gives you one, enough time to kind of prepare so that you're not going in and have a terrible experience. But two, I think everyone now in like modern society is like extremely sheltered. I'll talk about going on 20 mile runs at work and people are like shocked, they're like I have no idea how you do that and I'm like fair like you know not everyone has to be into running, but oftentimes a lot of these people they're not doing anything.
Speaker 2:That's physically hard or they've never tracked their macros yeah, yeah, like whatever it is, but just like once you have done one of these big physical feats, it makes everything in my life so much easier. It makes the heart the hard things you deal with in an office job seem like a joke, seems so trivial, or even if, like you get you know a tough thing, pop up in your, your personal life. If you're going through, like a family issue, you're going through a health issue, it's not the same thing.
Speaker 2:The stakes are not the same, but the skills, mental toughness that you build up through these physical events are definitely transferable yeah, so so true, well said dude.
Speaker 1:Uh, it's like I have a smile on my face because I, just like you, articulated that so well yeah and people don't realize what doing hard things will do for your mind afterwards. It calluses the mind, you know, and there's nothing harder than when you have 225 pounds above your head and you start shaking at 6 am in the morning or you go on that long run. You're like yo.
Speaker 2:After that, yo, life's easy dude 100, like you know, henry rollins, that guy who writes for the rolling stones.
Speaker 2:He has some great article about, like how 200 pounds is always 200 pounds and, like you know, search, google it, it's like henry rollins, 200 pounds, it'll come up. But basically the sentiment is, like you know, like all of the things in life are going to change, but like, if you can do this hard, consistent thing all the time, the gym is always going to be the gym, the weights are always going to be there 200 pounds, earth is always going to be 200 pounds. So so, if you just have this muscle of like I can do things, I can overcome things, I can do hard things, whether it's like in the gym, running, whatever, if you do that, everything in life is so much easier.
Speaker 1:Can't wait to chop it up with you again in a couple of years, dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah 100%.
Speaker 1:That was fun. We're at an hour.
Speaker 2:Nice, time flies.
Speaker 1:Time flies, flies, doesn't it we're not joe rogan three hours, but it does go fast. Yeah, is there anything else you want to talk about? Um well, I guess things to check out yeah um well, uberman's like the obvious thing yeah, but he's dating six gals right now.
Speaker 2:Come on yeah we can edit that part out I'm trying to think if there's like one specific thing Yo.
Speaker 1:You asked me a couple months ago about whether Normatex were worth it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I gave you my best answer, which was I don't know, and I looked up a little research and there wasn't much there, yeah, and you're a research guy, so you did end up purchasing. I did you have to tell us the actual?
Speaker 2:results. My three to four month like take on norma tex. I bought them mid-december last year. I just had my first full marathon block using them. Obviously I didn't have like the best result I've ever had in the race just gone, but my training leading up was the most consistent, high quality and less injury kind of like I don't know injury affected I've ever had. I had like a big tendonitis issue for most of 2023. I didn't have as much issues with that most of 2023. I didn't have as much issues with that and definitely I was like fresher, going into like every single run specifically with every double like second run that I was doing in a day. So my overall verdict is like if you have the money, if it's not like a huge stretch or like I use my amex points to buy them when there was some big like promo on them, so like if you can get them and it's not a stress, they definitely help. I wouldn't like go into death to get them, but if it's no big thing and you're curious, worth it norma tex magnesium.
Speaker 1:Anything else you would add to the system? Um diesel sports protein.
Speaker 2:We know that obviously yeah, you obviously seem like you're a big fan of the diesel. I'll have to try it and get back to you. Um ashwagandha, ksm 66.
Speaker 1:I've been taking that for years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a lot of people. I don't think know about that, but that like that extends just like your little personal health bar to like train and recover. I think quite a lot. Um, I know I'm obviously big into my single origin coffee dude coffee is like at the heart of like every real endurance runners, like actual performance stack. I think it doesn't get talked about a lot. And do you know meno henselman?
Speaker 2:no he's one of these very like, uh, evidence-based fitness guys in more of the bodybuilding lifting space on instagram, um, but I saw he recently shared a thing that was like that thing about waiting 90 minutes for caffeine. It's crap.
Speaker 1:It's crap, dude yeah, yeah, that was, that was uh, I think atia threw out. Some research found out that too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thank god you just as served. I remember waiting an hour to have my coffee, being like fuck, I just want to be optimal, like the guys say, hating every second of it, and then immediately going back to just having caffeine as soon as I wake up and feeling like there's no difference I disagree.
Speaker 1:That's okay and it is okay. But I found that I actually felt the caffeine when I waited that, those 90 minutes, and I didn't have that crash in the afternoon. And maybe that is the placebo effect of reading the research and that's what it happened. But I, when I do it, I'm like maybe there's a little bit of merit to this. So who knows? All that being said, also, caffeine impacts people differently, right, some people are 12, some people are six hours to metabolize I think that's totally fair, but it draws like an important thing about like placebo.
Speaker 1:If you think it's gonna work, it probably will, you know work it also draws the fact that, like yo, just do what works for you. Yeah, so many people are stressed out and like this is the where we'll wrap it because I have to go watch a pwhl tor Toronto game. But like you, got to do what works for you If 800 carbs, 800 grams of carbs, is what you need, which is probably a minimum for what most people need if they're running a marathon, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, for like a couple of days leading up.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Okay, so do that. It's like five to seven grams per pound of body weight, perfect.
Speaker 1:Thank you, that's what I was looking for, because I need that um but, like you know, some people like vegetables, some people like to only eat meats. Man, you know, if that's what floats your boat, do it. You're probably not going to perform your best. Though if you're trying to run and like that's, that's where I think we should leave it. Yeah, I think that's a good place.
Speaker 2:I think that's a good place to leave it.
Speaker 1:I think that's a good place to leave it. We had a lot of politics, we had a lot of. We were all over. But hey, this is what we get to do. Another one for right.
Speaker 2:This is great.
Speaker 1:Thank you, man.
Speaker 2:I appreciate your time.
Speaker 1:I appreciate our couple years of friendship. Now You've been teaching me lots. Yeah, it's been dope dude, and hopefully I get a better marathon score than your girlfriend fingers crossed, shout out Lillian yeah, there you go.
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