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Unleashing Human Potential: Endurance, Recovery, and Mental Resilience with Sach Latti - #247
Get ready to be inspired by Sach Latti's astonishing endurance journey as he shares his experience of running 60 kilometres every day for 60 days. We explore the incredible mental strength and dedication required for such a feat and discuss his next ambitious goal of running across Canada as the first person of colour to do so. Alongside these awe-inspiring stories, we chat about the importance of supporting local sports, with a nod to Alexander Ovechkin's pursuit of Wayne Gretzky's record and the Toronto Argonauts' recent Grey Cup victory. Plus, we touch on the sensational impact of big-name boxing events like the Jake Paul-Mike Tyson showdown.
Recovery is as essential as the performance itself, and in this episode, we offer a refreshing take on rejuvenation through cold plunges and sauna sessions at Hydro Haus. Kevin, the owner, joins us to share the benefits of contrast therapy, which plays a crucial role in athletic recovery. Our conversation includes personal stories of camaraderie and resilience during challenging outdoor events, emphasizing the power of shared experiences. We also highlight a memorable encounter with a family of athletes, epitomizing the spirit of adventure and determination at its finest.
This episode ventures into brain endurance training, shedding light on how physical challenges can foster cognitive growth and resilience. We conclude with a thought-provoking look at the potential of psilocybin in recovery and personal development, with an exciting outlook on an upcoming mushroom ceremony. Join us for an episode that showcases the limitless potential of human endurance and the strength of mental resilience.
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why I? I just look at it as like wow, that's, that's incredible. Like look at what they're they're capable of doing.
Speaker 3:That's fair. That's 100. That's fair.
Speaker 2:The same as when you're going through your 60k per day for 60 days and I had how many people telling me like how the heck's this guy doing? I'm like man, I'm out there for 10 of his 60k and he just keeps chugging along. He's. He's no different than you, me yeah, you've just no, that's right yeah, and it is humbling to see because you yourself are doing that most people can't do that right, can't wrap their head around running 60 yeah, let alone every single day hey, what's up?
Speaker 4:welcome back to the 247th episode of the athletes podcast. Today we feature satch laddie. This summer, he just completed 60 kilometers per day in 60 days. This episode we're going to talk about it next summer. He's running across canada. He's going to be the first person of color to do so, and I can't wait to be along this journey with him.
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Speaker 3:going on team. We're here at Hydro House with the owner, kevin, who's graciously provided this environment for me and whoever else we joined to get some recovery in. And yeah, like I said, he's been here brand new spot and we want to support local because he's in the local Vancouver area and so just take it away, kevin, guide us through this sort of contrast therapy. What is it and why do we do it?
Speaker 1:Wicked, yeah. So yeah, my name is Kevin and I'm super excited to be with these guys today. These athletes at at hydro house, uh and uh, yeah, it's just the best way that I found to recover, and I'm sure you know, uh, you guys can attest to that after after trying the cold plunge, sure, so why don't you just tell us um, really guide us in.
Speaker 3:What are we doing? Cool, yeah. What's the system? What are we doing?
Speaker 1:yeah, so I like to start cold, just like an initial shock, just to get familiar with the cold, and then, uh, so like 30 seconds to one minute, whatever you guys want to do, there's timers right there. I usually like to take three big breaths and on the third breath I'll I'll hold that breath in, step in, sink in, and as I sink in I'll I'll release that exhale. Fine, it helps because when we get in there it sort of knocks the wind out of you and that sort of helps me kind of control my breathing.
Speaker 3:So just to confirm. So we're going to jump in 30 seconds. We'll do a couple breaths before we go in. Yeah, After the 30 seconds, where do we go?
Speaker 1:Right into the sauna Heat up there for 15 minutes and, yeah, the idea is it gets real hot, hot enough that you're looking forward to come back in here.
Speaker 3:Nice wood stove sauna. You know wood burning. Well, that's the thing I've been. I've already come here a couple times already, and that is probably one of the better saunas I've been in, because it gets freaking hot.
Speaker 1:It's almost it's like 100 degrees Celsius.
Speaker 3:That's awesome, Sounds good All right ready to rock and roll, let's do it.
Speaker 1:Okay, guys, enjoy how's it going. How you guys feeling good, I'm excited for this. I hope you're timing it he is.
Speaker 3:I'm not used to this. You're timing it. He is. I'm not used to this. You're Scandinavian probably.
Speaker 2:I've been doing cold exposure for probably five years now. Yeah, you're a pro. Wim Hof Lake Ontario.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're a pro, not me, looks like it. Beginner, that's good, let's go. Experiences for sure. Well, your lips were blue a bit there. I said I was watching, um, when you were leaving. Yeah, you're checking in on me. Your lips were kind of blue, yeah it was cold.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was cold. We probably, like liam and I probably, were shivering from the halfway, like two and a half two hours in, just after that it was. It was a long show. We were not prepared either, like shorts and t-shirt. Yeah, we, none of us were probably prepared yeah but you know what, sometimes that's the.
Speaker 3:Sometimes that's a good thing, because then you can see what, where the where the roadblock is, or how much you can do. Yeah, like, I mean, you like being ill prepared, you still did the whole thing. Yeah, right, so that's being ill-prepared.
Speaker 2:You still did the whole thing. Yeah, right, so that's pretty cool. Yeah, I think it was. It goes back to like before even doing a marathon or a half marathon, you're like I know I can finish this 10k whether I'm fueled properly or not, right, you know you can get over those things and I think the only factor would have been the cold, because that changes the dynamic, Because you don't.
Speaker 3:I mean 21K, you know, even if you're walking for four hours you don't need a ton of food. No, but when you're talking about the cold weather, because it said it was four degrees when we got there, but it was well below that- Because of the rain and hail snow. Yeah, because like we were doing elevation too, so we climbed a bit.
Speaker 2:So it had to have dropped under like to zero at least. Yeah, the only time it stopped raining was when it was snowing and hailing, so it definitely was cold and just to have that five hours soaking wet no fun for anyone. Uh, this woman actually messaged me afterwards who she works for. Lulu, her and her 18 year old son completed it and I couldn't get over the fact that everyone who was up on that mountain that day is gonna remember that and remember how difficult it was and have that as a memory good, bad or ugly. Where were they from?
Speaker 3:local, I'm pretty sure she was was it the woman that and her son that was sitting next to me?
Speaker 2:I think they knew you. That's why she was hitting me.
Speaker 3:Okay, so yeah yeah, so she, I was sitting next, so she works for lulu. Yeah, oh, I don't know that, I'm pretty sure. No, when I was talking to her, um, I was just telling her. They were just talking, and then I shared what I was doing, what I was planning to do, and they just got all excited, yeah, and then um, but I was talking to the kid. He just turned 18, yeah, and they live in North Vancouver, okay, and he's training to do a full try. No, at 18, and his mom, they've done marathons and halves before, so they're they're fairly fair, you know. So I was like, hey, man, whenever I'm in North Vancouver, let's go for a run, and um, but they were super nice, they, the whole family, started following me. Heck, yeah, so it was like the younger brothers and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, it's interesting because they were with. They were right in front of us when we started.
Speaker 1:Remember the tall people that were right, okay, I think it was them, and they crushed it in three hours.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're animals, they, they were savage.
Speaker 2:I can't get over it. I could have gone faster. Liam and I were talking about it. I definitely could have, but it was also like you're trying to do this as a team.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Going through it. I'm also using it as an elevation experience. I am glad I didn't go harder because it would have. Yeah, at the end my everything was tight seizing up. Also, the cold weather does not help. Then you're doing obstacles, lifting your hamstring. You're like just praying that it doesn't snap on you.
Speaker 3:It was scary well, I think um the mother daughter team or the mother-son team. I suspect I didn't ask them. I suspect they didn't do the obstacles. No, yeah, because to do that whole thing in three hours and the obstacles would have been like.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm pretty. What do you do? We know the final stats from the competitive field Because they did everything. The competitive field. There were people out there that did the 50K.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know, they did it twice. I had it afield. There were people out there that did the 50K. Yeah, I know they did it twice. No, I think they had to. I can't remember who was saying it. If they didn't make it by a certain time, they were going to cut it Right Because of the weather and safety reasons.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but yeah no there were people out there doing it. That was humbling when you were getting lapped by guys who were on their second no I.
Speaker 3:If actually so, why does it? Why do you think it's humbling?
Speaker 2:for me as a young 20 something individual that still has the ego there, you're like sure man, this human being who I should theoretically be able to compete. Why? Because I'm I work hard. Theoretically, okay, theoretically I like I work hard, I do a lot of stuff, I train at different modalities.
Speaker 2:Sure, I'm like I would like to think that if you pulled someone you know hunger game style 1v1, I'm gonna fare pretty well again for sure, for sure, for sure so then when I see what's possible, I'm like damn, like that's humbling, because I think I, I there's no reason I couldn't be there, and I know I'm not there, right now so.
Speaker 3:I want to identify how to get there, sure, so I think so. For me it's not humbling. For me, I understand the difference of modalities. So, for example, maybe if we asked one of those guys how long they've been training for this event and they said three years or two years or a year nonstop, would that make you feel better.
Speaker 2:Not really. That's the difference. I'm like I just I've only been running for four, five, six months.
Speaker 3:Okay, so sure. So then can you run 60 kilometers in 60 days? So it's the same thing. I've been training for four years to do that. Yeah, it's the same thing. I've been training for four years to do that three years. These guys have been training for so long. So I think maybe to think that you can do something that you haven't trained for it would be like saying can you get into the Olympics, do you feel bad? Is that humbling? Because I look at it the same way. I don't see them as any more special than me. They've trained in a specific modality for a number of years it would be.
Speaker 2:I think it would be same humbling if I was at a track meet and I go to high jump against someone and really, really, yeah, man, like I want to compete with everyone, I don't care who it is, I'm a competitor, right like so for me. I'm like ah, damn, that's the gap.
Speaker 3:Okay, fair, that's fair. Do you do anything about that gap then?
Speaker 2:If I wanted to go to the Olympics for high jump, I would start. I did it with running or I'm doing it with running. Right now I'm doing it with weightlifting, with my body?
Speaker 3:I don't know, man, I think you're being hard on yourself. I really do. I'm extremely hard on yourself. Yeah, I really do, I'm, I'm extremely hard on myself I used to be like that too. Yeah, and I think I, after getting spanked so many times in various different areas, I was like what is wrong with me? Why do I suck? Yeah, and then I just figured out they've been doing it way longer, that's it yeah, which is fine.
Speaker 2:but I mean, okay, they've. They've had more time on this earth, they've trained longer, that's fine. Maybe they're focused on that specific thing.
Speaker 3:Sure, whatever the case may be, okay, sure, sure.
Speaker 2:But for me I'm like that. Just because they've been training for 10 years longer doesn't mean for me that's not a good enough reason to not try and pursue something.
Speaker 3:Do your best in the moment. Yeah, that's fine, I agree with that. Do your best in the moment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not try and jump seven meters, right, because I won't hit it, but do the best in that moment, okay.
Speaker 3:So I maybe understand better now. So the humbling is not so much more of like a negative feeling, but rather like oh, oh, man, there are people out there that are amazing. Yeah, that's what you mean. Yeah, okay, so I misunderstood yeah, okay, cool.
Speaker 2:No, that's fair, because for me that's, that's the podcast, right, that's 240 people.
Speaker 3:That shows how messed up I am. I'm like humbling why I?
Speaker 2:I just look at it as like wow, that's, that's incredible. Like look at what they're they're capable of doing that's fair. That's fair, 100 that's fair the same as when you're going through your 60k per day for 60 days and I had how many people telling me like how the heck's this guy doing? I'm like man, I'm out there for 10 of his 60k and he just keeps chugging along. He's.
Speaker 2:He's no different than you, me, yeah you've just no, that's right yeah, and it is humbling to see because you yourself are doing that Most people can't do that right, can't wrap their head around running 60, let alone every single day.
Speaker 3:I mean that's a fair point, because now that I reflect because I've had a bit of time to reflect, right, it's been a couple of weeks, it's been a couple of weeks right of time to reflect, right, it's been a couple weeks, it's been a couple weeks right and um, it's um, I still can't believe it, to be honest, like I still can't believe I've gone from where I was to where I am now, in about three and a half years, and it's like wild man. It's wild what a person can do and achieve in a short period of time, like three, four years it's not a long time In a short period of time, which is hard work and conviction. And I think so when I reflect back I'm like I just did that. It's like a trip. Yeah, like it's a trip, and now I'm already on to the next sort of phase. So I'm not sure if I'll fully be able to process the 60.
Speaker 2:What was the funds raised? Let's talk about, like, during that 60 days. You spoke at a couple different events. You were able to impact thousands of people through social media. Most memorable moments you got sick also like halfway through. That didn't help things.
Speaker 3:No, the first two weeks for sure were tough.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just figuring out a routine, just getting out of my own head, because that was really the longest you'd ever gone that distance.
Speaker 3:You had done 40 for 40, basically last year right, no, no, I did 22 marathons and 22 consecutive days across the province.
Speaker 2:Right, so a better marathon being 40. So 42 kilometers. Right, so that's like 40 per day, yeah, so you know, you upped that by about 20, so I did, um, so in 22 days.
Speaker 3:I did, uh, just over a thousand kilometers in 60 days at 3600. So you know, yeah, about that percentage, what you're saying, and um, yeah, those first two weeks were hard, man. And why was it hard? It was like figuring out how to do it, like I trained, but how to organize my life around it, because last year when I ran across the province, it was, uh, I'm across the province, I, that's what I'm doing, like I'm stuck out here, I gotta do it right, whereas this time around I was here, I was still taking care of my responsibilities, still, um, you know, I was here.
Speaker 3:It was, you know, getting pulled in different directions and different things happening, and so I think this was hard in a different way. Um, in the first two weeks it was really a struggle because I was in my head and I was kind of paying attention to social media a bit and, um, just, you know, I don't want people to think I was too slow or this, that, like, all these different things are going through my head, right. And then there were times where, you know, like, on weekends I'm with my daughter, so I, you know, have to find times where to run, either before or after she's gone, or when she's asleep, or so. I didn't have a treadmill when I first started, so I'm like this is gonna be hard, like how I'm gonna manage all of this right doing it all on pavement and then, uh, fortunately for me, I went for a run with a buddy of mine, uh, and his wife at you know, one of the days.
Speaker 3:They wanted to join me for a bit of it and I was at campbell valley park and just talking about what's going on and you know some of the struggles and whatnot and like a week later they swung by my house and dropped off on a treadmill, whoa Like, and I was like it was a bit of a joke. I was like this is the first time in my life I was happy to see a treadmill Like it was.
Speaker 3:I was emotional. It was an emotional thing for me because how I looked at it was like they're helping me become the person I need to be. They're helping facilitate that. The running is just cool and all that, but it's everything else. So once I got the treadmill I put it right next to my bed and then things became a little bit easier to organize, to manage time, to do all the different things and then so it was kind of I don't want to say easy, but smooth sailing for a couple three weeks.
Speaker 3:And then once I got to about two weeks out I think it was about two, two and a half weeks, something around that I ended up getting sick, so then ended up getting a sinus infection and where everything was in my lungs. So I'm coughing up phlegm while I'm running. Honestly, you can almost still kind of hear the bit of it now. It's just kind of here and it's still affecting me now because I can't hear it. In my right ear. I still got tons of fluid buildup from the sinuses. So I actually went to the doctor yesterday. I was like I thought it was going to go away, yeah, but I was like man, this is like going on like a month and a bit, I'm like I need to do something. So the doctor's like he gave me some basic stuff, nothing crazy, some flownase and, um, you know, get some stuff to rinse out my nose and my sinuses.
Speaker 2:He's probably like hold off on the 60k for 60 days after that too I didn't well, so he's, so he's.
Speaker 3:He's been my doctor, uh, from the beginning, so he knew what my plan was, so he's been integrated into the process and what did he think originally?
Speaker 3:well, I told him I was gonna run across canada that was the original plan, which is still kind of happening and, uh, he's like okay, and he was cool man, he was like okay, so let's get some tests done to see where you're at right now, to see if you're able to yeah, you know, um, and then after each time we'll kind of test you out, see where your blood work is at, where your body's at, if it's going to be. He wanted to check before I started everything. He checked my heart. He wanted to make sure my heart wasn't messed up nice with from all you know from previous workouts, and so he can at least have a baseline to see where the cardiac my heart is, if there's any thickness in anywhere or anything like that, right. So we covered those bases.
Speaker 3:And he was also very helpful when I he was the one who diagnosed me with my major depressive disorder, right, because I was doing he was my doctor doing work, all that stuff. So, yeah, he's, so, yeah, he's. And I saw him yesterday and he was happy. He was like man, good for you, and he's a younger guy, he's not an older guy.
Speaker 3:He's probably like in his 30s, nice, and so he's and he's a really he's a general practitioner, but he's really one of his passions is mental health, so he's kind of in that space, so to speak. Yeah, so, anyways, to answer your question, he he was cool, right, um, but yeah, like the, the last couple weeks were challenged in that way but, yeah, speaking like I've, I still was maintaining all the obligations. So the number one obligation was my daughter. So with her a couple times a week, taking her to soccer, taking her to camps, all that kind of stuff, and then, um, public speaking, I was still doing that, I was still doing podcasts. So, like I remember one day I was like maybe a couple weeks before I was done or 10 days before I was doing a podcast in, uh, it was in surrey somewhere the brown, the brown boys podcast.
Speaker 2:We were, we were running right before and yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So we were going for that run. It was the uh, modern brown boys. It still hasn't been released yet, but yeah, I'm on the run. I'm like, hey man, I gotta go on the podcast. So I did everything, finished the 60 and then went to do a podcast and then, uh, but I think this was a good. I mean, this was a good training grounds for me too, man, just being able to manage all the different things. I was never good at that before, so it was a good opportunity to like figure out how to manage everything. And also, I don't want to be around uh, I didn't want to not be around my daughter for that much time. Yeah, because I will be next year, right. So I wanted to pick when that would be. Yeah, and I thought this would be a training block.
Speaker 2:So, whatever training block yeah, and that, uh, that treadmill saved you because you were doing half your 30 out of 60 out on that and that was amazing sort of for training Cause like uh, you know, whenever I could do it, I'd do it.
Speaker 3:I was using it like for recovery in that sort of way, right, like, so, like let's say, for example, I ran 30 outside during the day, or let's say 40 or whatever it was, and then I'd make the second portion or the last bit as a recovery protocol. So now we're cooling down, yeah.
Speaker 2:Now we're taking tons more water and we're just doing a half marathon to cool down, you know.
Speaker 3:That's freaking nuts, isn't it Like now that I I mean it's fucking crazy man Like to even say that, like I was talking to. I was at the gym today and I was leaving and I ran into one of my old physiotherapists from way back in the day and she's been tracking and we were just talking about this stuff and I was just talking about leading up what I want to do for next year, how I want to prepare myself mentally, and I was throwing out these numbers, and she's like fuck, it's wild, like you're just throwing these numbers out, like it's like, like it's normal well, and she probably saw you or knows you as a bodybuilder too, right she knew me as a bodybuilder.
Speaker 3:So she's like what? Yeah, because I was, because my goal is to run at least 100k a day while I'm running across canada, right?
Speaker 2:isn't the record 105k per day current record.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I'm, but I'm. I want to set a, because psychologically, I think striving for 110 is, right now for my, a lot, it's, it's a lot for me to consume.
Speaker 1:It's a lot for me to consume right now.
Speaker 3:yeah, so I almost need to kind of give myself a number that I feel is tangible, if that makes sense For sure. So I feel like the 100 is still a goal that's tangible, that I can still obtain. And so I was telling her. I was like yeah, before I kick off, I want to run at least 100K a day for this many days, and during training, I want to at least run 100K a day for a week.
Speaker 3:I want to see if I can just mentally get that out of the way and put it under my belt so that when I do it it's not like a foreign thing, right? So when I was saying these things, she's like that's wild, like you're mentioning these tons of numbers, and I took a step back and I'm like that is kind of fucking wild. Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:That is wild. Should we do another round?
Speaker 3:Let's do it Sweet. We gotta jump in the heater thing and then we'll jump in the van. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got some more water in my system.
Speaker 2:Yeah, good call, you got yours right there. Yeah, we're rolling All right. You ready for what? Two minutes, three minutes, what are you doing? Two, three In the lot. Next one, we'll do Yo, so you know what I know is hilarious. What's up, bro, is that? For me this is easy, for you a little harder For me. Running 60K probably not possible.
Speaker 3:It's possible, but hard as fuck 60 days straight of it.
Speaker 2:I don't know if my body could withstand that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, not right now.
Speaker 2:No, no.
Speaker 3:Over time, though, even past four months running with you a ton, yeah, improved quite a bit well, I think also, man, like, like you said, like you've been doing the cold punch for what? Four or five years right? Yeah so it's pretty like I watched you jump in at the beginning. It was like whatever me? I was like what the heck? So like anything else, man, you got to do it a lot, to get better and better at it.
Speaker 3:So I've been coming here, man, you got to do it a lot to get better and better at it, so I've been coming here for the last three weeks. Yeah, the first time it was like, yeah, no, second time was a little bit better.
Speaker 2:This time around I'm gonna try to put my arms, yeah put the hands in too, wish slide them around, but this is what kevin was talking about. With the breath work too. It's crazy how much you can withstand when you just connect with your breath too. Absolutely it becomes therapeutic. And then it makes sitting in the sauna kind of nice because you get to go back and forth.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've already gotten better. Like last time, I didn't put my hands in. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I've seen an increase, or like improvement, every single time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so if I keep coming, who knows?
Speaker 2:Maybe I'll do a Joe Rogan 10 minute. There we go, does he do?
Speaker 3:10 minutes. He's done 10 minutes before.
Speaker 2:I don't know if he does it regularly, but yeah, I did a couple minutes in Lake Ontario with our Wim Hof stuff and that was pretty hectic but I felt really good, didn't really have any issues. That Spartan race felt like a freaking oh, that was rough. Oh man, I was a hot mess, like you could tell I was like that wasn't good at the end of that, liam and I, five straight hours just, and your buddies before and after us. It was great, it was it. That was cool. That was a first spartan race.
Speaker 3:Heck of a first experience I wouldn't call it a race man, it's more of a like a 21 kilometer hike.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it ended up being like 24. Yeah, after, because they didn't really there we go Hydro house. Yeah, I love this spot.
Speaker 3:It's cool man. The vibe's nice here, it's quiet. It feels like you're almost out in the wilderness Not wilderness, but outdoors.
Speaker 2:It's great.
Speaker 3:The vibe is cool man.
Speaker 2:I think you should tell people what you did on a daily basis to be able to run 60K, because, even just from a hydration standpoint, people hydrate excessively for three, four days before a marathon and they're eating a ton, whereas you had to be up for two months so I think like um, obviously, you know, throughout the year I'm testing my body training and trying different things.
Speaker 3:See how they work. For this sort of two month period I wouldn't really eat the first few days a week. I was actually still testing things out. So I was eating different things and muffins, this, that and the other, just kind of all throughout the lunch and I noticed that was affecting my gut. A good point, if it was a one-off then it wouldn't have been that much of an issue. But every single day it was like here's a lunge, eat more after.
Speaker 3:So I kind of went back to what I did for the 22nd marathon, which was liquid fuel for all the running. Essentially what I was doing was having about 700 milliliters of water every hour with 200 calories of carbs. So about 50 grams of carbs, 4 grams of protein and about 400 milligrams of sodium and then all the electrolytes in that one drink every hour and then after. So I would be running for about seven and a half hours of moving time in and around there. So you know, after that I'd probably be. You know, we're looking at about 250 calories an hour-ish, right? Yeah, so you're looking at about 1,600 calories after the run, like during the run, and then I would just start eating Succussion food. Yeah, yeah, and it was a challenge, right. It was like you know how much can you get in after seven and a half hours yeah, what did your weight start?
Speaker 2:and then the start at 185.
Speaker 3:I ended at 168. Yeah, yeah, so I'm today. I was 177.
Speaker 2:so it comes back quick 176.
Speaker 3:Uh, probably more. Like I'm taking on a lot of water right now because, like when you're running, every day the water's just coming out, coming out, coming out. So, like I was trying to, you know, before I started running or you know, when I started running I'd weigh myself and I was trying to maintain that much weight by the end of the run. So just taking in that fluid amount, and usually if I was able to do that I was fine the next day. But that wasn't. My pace wasn't super fast, right? Yeah, my pace was the pace that I needed to run so I could do it any single day. So my body, honestly, for the most part, after the first week or two of just getting used to the workload, adapted yeah, like at day 20, I was fine for the most part.
Speaker 3:What was the hardest day? Like in which way? Physically, emotionally, what do you think? I guess both one for each.
Speaker 3:I think the first few weeks physically were hard. Yeah, because my legs were adjusting. I remember one day I went on a treadmill after a day outside and I meant my quads, my wheels, were mangled, like this. The pain was pretty significant and so I guess for me, when I was getting to points of like feeling like some serious discomfort. It's trying to find ways to kind of keep doing it. So I remember one day I was running and it was into the night and then I was into the dark now.
Speaker 3:So now I'm feeling like freaking nine o'clock at night. I'm like, um, and I'm doing everything alone, right. So it's like really solitary, really boring, right. And so it means that the night and the legs are not feeling good. So I had an edible edible, probably had about. I had a 25 milgram edible and if you listen to some of my older podcasts that I've been on, that was part of my journey. When I first started running, because I was dealing with so much anxiety and depression that I would just to get up to go run, I kind of needed a clutch and the clutch at that time was a 25 milligram edible and what it would do is turn on, just turn the white noise down. It wouldn't even get me high.
Speaker 3:I would just be able to just go. So I kind of went back to that for that particular moment in time, and when I was doing that I still felt the pain. But then I started trying to figure out ways to absorb the pain. And it sounds weird, but when I was in that, when I know, I know exactly.
Speaker 2:I felt that Sunday or Saturday with that.
Speaker 3:Spartan, you had to absorb. So I was trying to find ways to absorb the pain, but not absorb it only. So this is what I was saying to myself and it sounds crazy, I don't know if it worked, but it worked that night and I've been trying to adopt it or trying to recreate that over time. And so I was feeling all kinds of pain as I was running. I was on White Rock, running towards the beach, on Marine, so, like you know, around my area and I'm running and I'm saying to myself, okay, absorb the pain. And then I would say fuel. So I was trying to make the connection of absorbing it and using it as fuel and I just repeated every time I felt pain. So every step I was like absorb it fuel, absorb it as fuel. And just repeated every time I felt pain. So every step I was about absorbing fuel, absorbing fuel. It was kind of kept me almost like cognitive behavioral therapy. I was trying to make the connection of the pain to keep me moving.
Speaker 2:How many steps was it? 60 Ks? Do you remember what the step count was? I didn't know. I mean I didn't know.
Speaker 3:Probably 70,000. Was it about that? Yeah, yeah, and that was just for the run, but I was also doing all the shit today. So probably around 80,000 in a day, 75,000.
Speaker 2:And you shared with me your your 11 or seven, eight, nine, ten page keynote that people will hear eventually at some point.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:If you were to condense that into 30, 60, 90 seconds, as we wrap up here at Hydro House, how would you encapsulate what you've been doing the past four years, what you're still striving for next year? How would you embody that? Wrap it all into a 60 second pitch?
Speaker 3:So I think for me it's not so much talking about what I've done and how it's accomplished and raw, raw meat it meat, it's more okay. What's the wisdom that I've gotten out of this and how can I share that with other people. So for me it's um, if we're distilling it all down, it's brain endurance training. So being able to um and you know Huberman's talked about it in various different things and it's a specific part of the brain that you can develop and grow over a period of time, but not only just for physical activity. So I want to be able to share with other people.
Speaker 3:You don't have to do what I'm doing, but you can adopt that brain endurance training for everyday life. So, basically, do anything that you don't want to do, do it. So if you don't want to read five pages tonight, read those five pages. If you don't want to have that difficult conversation, have that difficult conversation. Have that difficult conversation. Through those things and constantly, repeatedly doing that, you're developing that part of the brain and when you develop that part of the brain, it allows you to do those things with ease or a little bit easier in the future. So that's my two cents.
Speaker 2:Love it. I know I just listened to the. I didn't listen to the podcast, but the Joe Rogan Q-Room was just on it.
Speaker 3:It's not the prefrontal cortex no, I can pull it out right now, mid singular cortex and interior singular singular oh shit, it's gonna be. I'm just gonna get the actual time. I'll just watch, I'll just listen. It's funny because I've I've written it down, yeah, in my speech interior and interior mid singular cortex something like that interior mid singular cortex interior missing. Let me, but let me get it, let's confirm, because we don't have G. You know all powerful journey with us.
Speaker 2:So have you, um, have you looked at psilocybin at all? I know that's like a weird way to suggest like from someone who's like, but I feel like there's ton of research on that from recovery, yeah yeah, a hundred percent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, I actually am considering doing a mushroom ceremony coming up on the 21st. Hell, yeah, yeah, I was just looking at that's so cool, I asked, but I, uh, I was looking at it today. It's pretty intense. Um, it's like a lot of uh, what do you call it? Introspective work. It's like with a shaman, yeah, and they sort of guide you through this whole sort of mushroom.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I just want to just mention this real quick and I'll just read this paragraph that I've written for our keynote that I'll be doing soon. It's real quick. The research on brain endurance training is absolutely fascinating. Studies show it can improve performance up to 126 percent far beyond the games from physical training alone. So what it does is it strengthens the anterior cingulate cortex, so that's the part of the brain which is involved in perceiving effort and then also maintaining cognitive control. So if you're able to engage in things that you normally wouldn't want to do or you know and it doesn't have to be running 100k or 60k or any of those things, anything that's hard for you, so speaking in public, you know all these types of things cold plunging, um, having that difficult conversation with a girlfriend or whatever those things if you engage them not just engage them, but engage them with enthusiasm it develops that part of the brain.
Speaker 2:So I remember one of the comments on that uh was. It was like so, if I hate my job, I should go to my job, and it was like well, yes, but maybe doing that every single day is probably not the best thing for your mental health, but it was funny you get everything on social media comments right.
Speaker 3:You know what it comes down to. It's like how are you framing the thing that you're going into? Yeah, it's just reframing things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in perspective and um, yeah, it's interesting because, as a serial optimist, when I come into situations and I think of that, I'm like wouldn't you want to be coming in with a positive mindset, not something hard? And it's interesting because you could probably apply both coming with a positive, knowing that it's going to be difficult, kind of like Saturday with Spartan.
Speaker 3:That's exactly it. So, man, we could have gone into it thinking this is gonna suck. Yeah, holy shit, we got to run for four hours and 21 kilometers and it really wasn't a run. It was a hike for 21k because it was about 1700 meters of vertical gain. Yeah, so, and the weather was terrible, like it could have been really negative. Or you flip it on its head and say, yeah, man, we get to, we get to hang out together. Yeah, we get to see or support each other do this thing. Yeah, it's going to be uncomfortable, but oh, we're going to have some stories. Yeah, so if you just spin it differently, it allows you to engage in it, which allows you to develop that part of the brain which, over time, the perceiving effort, becomes easier. So now, when I'm throwing out numbers about 100k, this, that and the other, it's the perceived effort.
Speaker 2:I've already kind of dissolved my brain enough to where I'm like cool yeah not freaking out about it yeah, thanks for having us here, man awesome spot man and hey, thank you folks for tuning in.
Speaker 4:This is the 247th episode of the show featuring satch laddie, my buddy. If you want to check out his website, donate to support his work, satchinmotionca. Thank you so much for tuning in. Hope you have a great rest of your week. We'll see you next week for another new episode. Bye.
