The Athletes Podcast

How Sandra Abstreiter Became Germany’s No. #1 Goalie & plays in the PWHL

• David Stark • Season 1 • Episode 270

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Sandra Abstreiter shares how film study, better fueling, and smarter gear choices helped her rise to Germany’s starting job and a PWHL roster. We swap stories from the PWHL takeover tour, dig into mindset for starters and backups, and unpack how small gains stack into big jumps.

• jumping from skater to goalie at 16 and building skills fast through deliberate video study
• why comfort-driven gear choices accelerate confidence and flow on the ice
• practical fueling: carbs pre-ice, protein and creatine for recovery, electrolytes for heavy days
• monitoring training load with simple metrics to spot underfueling
• PWHL takeover tour energy and what fan momentum means for women’s hockey
• agency and brand support that removes friction and lets athletes focus on execution
• starter versus backup mindset: same game, same craft, reduced pressure
• facing elite shooters to raise standards and sharpen reads
• protecting identity beyond sport to sustain joy and resilience
• closing advice: don’t dream small dreams

Shout out to Perfect Sports, Pioneer Alder Grove Auto Group, Warrior, Hyperice, Howies, IQBAR, and more who supported camp and travel


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SPEAKER_01:

You're the most decorated racquetball player in US history. World's strongest man. From childhood passion to professional athlete. Eight-time Iron Man champion. So, what was it like making your debut in the NHL? What is your biggest piece of advice for the next generation of athletes? From underdogs to national champions. This is the athletes podcast, where high performance individuals share their triumphs, defeats, and life lessons to educate, entertain, and inspire the next generation of athletes. Here we go. We just literally recorded for an hour.

SPEAKER_00:

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01:

As a prep. As a prep hour. Sandy, that's what you were looking for.

SPEAKER_00:

We need to hide all these things again.

SPEAKER_01:

No, no, no, no. We're not hiding it. We're starting it with perfect sports supplements because your boy David Stark here can't hit the record button, but we got it figured out. And we're still smiling because we got diesel, we got creatine, we got hydro splash. Sandy is set up for success here. Now she's got the supplements on board.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep.

SPEAKER_01:

We are gonna try this again, round two. We're gonna do a quick trip. We gotta start off. We have Sandra Eibstreider here from the German national hockey team, the starting goalie, also a member of the PWHL Victoire, and someone who I get to call a friend also. Fortunately, she's a part of Cook Stark Management, represented by Eleni, our director of hockey operations, someone who I was fortunate to watch in Denver when we did our going for it.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm pretty sure that's a fact.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh yeah, this is like, oh, we literally can't go anywhere here. That's amazing. We're off-road to start this episode. We're in shambles, Sandy, but we're gonna make it happen. It's okay. Yo, first question. We're gonna start it off a little different. You started playing goalie at 16 years old. You were playing hockey for a decade prior to that, from the sounds of it, but you only started at 16 years old, and you just told me a couple minutes ago, well, we thought we were recording that you listened to a specific organization while to consume this content to be the goalie that you are today. And that's where we need to start because this is an insane story.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. So shout out to Ingle. That's I watched a bunch of their videos when I started playing goalie. I kind of like had a few goalie coaches here and there, like, I don't know, not very consistent though. So I kind of like figured if I want to get better at this, like if I start that late, like I need to like help myself a little bit in whatever way I can. So I just went on YouTube, looked up like goalie training, whatever, came across Angle, and I saw a bunch of their videos specifically that they recorded with Carrie Price. And so I watched those like non-stop, literally for hours, even though they were like the same drill, which probably got boring after a little bit, but I just like analyzed it to the detail. Whenever I watched like a video of that, like at night the next day when I was at practice, I would try like try to remember like this is how he would hold his buff here, like this is how he would play like that puck, like all that kind of stuff, and then like I would try it out and see how it worked for me, and if it worked, then I kept it, and if it didn't, then I tried to find something else, and then I I switched it up.

SPEAKER_01:

So insane for me to hear. We have obviously covered the fact that you've only been playing this position of goalie for a decade, and you've become the number one goalie for your national team. You're playing professional level here now. This is your third year playing pro. How the heck does someone who gets thrown in by their mom out of necessity end up at this level? And honestly, you've also told me the fact that you didn't even play other sports growing up, you were just a hockey gal. So how the heck is that possible? Because I'm always preaching to the next gen that you gotta be playing multiple sports growing up, you gotta be well diverse in your athletic abilities, but you're proving me wrong.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I mean, I do think that it probably is very helpful to do other sports too. And we talked about this earlier, like, yes, goalies, in a sense, I do agree, are one of the most athletic persons on a team, but at the same time, like we kind of talked about it, like we're a little bit like we've I feel like we're like average at a lot of things, yeah, but then we just excel like in the net, and like literally, even like outside of hockey, like probably like I will drop more things than I should. Like, I'm like, I'm a goalie, like, why am I not holding on to this thing? Like, but like as soon as you're on the ice, it's completely different.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, the jack or the jill of all trades is the way I've described myself to others because I'm not exceptional at any sport, but I like to think I can play most, chop it up with most. That's why we got the podcast here. This is the 270th, 71st episode of the podcast, which is absolutely insane. This is like the 272nd because the one we just recorded an hour.

SPEAKER_00:

That's the secret one. Yeah, that's the secret one.

SPEAKER_01:

That one has all the insights that us athletes try and keep close to our chest because we're competitive. Yeah. But here on the athletes podcast, you get the raw, real insights, data, information. You get to find out exactly what Sandy has been doing, specifically with her new Warrior gear, too. You want to talk about that? You and Leon, no big deal. The only two Warrior-sponsored athletes, kind of a big deal here.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, well, Warrior has been awesome, actually. I started wearing their gear last year. They reached out to me. They're like, Do you want to demo our stuff? I was like, absolutely, I will like send me something. Got a brand new set, the G7s, that's what they sent me. They just came out with them kind of recently. Tried them literally for 10 minutes, absolutely love them. I was like, I'm not gonna not use these anymore. Like, I actually think, fun fact too, I've worn them for like less than a week, brought them to one of our road trips, because I was like, I mean, I'm the third goalie, like, even if I have to like step up one, like I'm still only the backup. Well, I jinxed it, I was the backup for that game, and I was wearing my demo set after not even wearing it for a week. But I was like, I'm so confident in these, like, I can go a net with that.

SPEAKER_01:

Like, well, and when you find something that you're comfortable in, yeah, it's like I just went through, we got new golf clubs, and it's like if you find something you're comfortable with, that is way hands above better than anything else you can be wearing because you know the saying goes, look good, feel good, play good, right? Yeah, absolutely. There's something to be said for that, you know? Yeah, when you're comfortable, when you can get into a flow state, no one can match your ability when your mind is firing at 100%.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01:

And I think that's you know, we talked about it even when you've got a supplement with stuff like creatine, when you're planning your nutrition properly so that you have your carbs prior to your workouts that you can perform your best. You know, you and I talked again an hour about this stuff, but what are those kind of game-breaking pivotal moments for you over the past few years that you've learned as a pro that have really separated what you knew prior to what you know now?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I mean, you just talked about like the nutritional aspect, and I even this summer, like after being professional now for like two years, like there's still so many things that I can like learn from myself. Like this summer I started tracking my workouts a lot more. Like, I got a heart rate strap, I like look at how many calories I burn, like all that kind of stuff. Yeah, and then like I don't do it every day because I don't I have other things to focus on too. But like a few days, like if you track like your meals and stuff like that, like see how much protein you're getting, how much calories in general, honestly. And like I've realized that it's like especially on a hard training day, like it's very easy to not eat enough. And so that's obviously not good. Like, when I'm not trying to like lose all the muscle that I'm just building, yeah. So then, like, it's really important to fuel with the right things, and like I've noticed that creatine has like has been amazing, like it that's had had a big effect on like my training, like my my reps feel better for longer, like my legs feel fresher for longer. Obviously, protein powder, it's just like so easy to get the protein in that you need, and so like all that kind of things, like but yeah, so like all these like supplements, like even vitamins, like all that stuff, like it's so many little things that you I think need to do when you want to perform at your best at every single every single day, because even in practice, you need to be like at your best, right? Because otherwise, you're not gonna be ready for when you do play.

SPEAKER_01:

For sure, and that's like you could not have said that any better. Uh, because especially female athletes very often, in most cases, are under-eating, especially when they are performing, going two a days on the ice, doing dry land trainings, and men too, but more often than not, women are very conscious about what they're consuming putting in their body, and they're just not putting in enough calories. Yeah, and that is a real problem when you're trying to perform your best. Yeah, make a national team, make a PWHL team, making an NCAA team for that matter, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01:

And that like we're just as a young athlete, it is so important to make sure you're tracking what you're putting in your body. And so, kudos to you for highlighting that. Make sure you're getting your creatine, your protein, and your sodium in the system. Sodium, magnesium, those electrolytes, people don't realize it. Hydro Splash has a great combo of the three. Also, we need to highlight the fact that we're in Vancouver today. It's raining, as per Vancouver weather.

SPEAKER_00:

Wasn't surprised.

SPEAKER_01:

But it's quiet because we got the electric jeep thanks to pioneer Alder Grove Auto Group for providing us with an amazing Jeep. And this is where you performed and did the takeover tour.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And you have to tell me what that environment was like because 19,000 fans, I was sitting up there in the stands. You were getting to getting to experience it on the ice.

SPEAKER_00:

It actually was in it was incredible. And like that was the second year of the league, so like everything in the first year was already like mind-blowing. Like the first time like we stepped on the ice in Ottawa, I remember for for literally for warmups, everybody was already there. Like all these like kids and like adults like were screaming at the top of their lungs, and like we're so excited for this to like finally happen. So, like, every single moment of the first year was already like incredible. And then last year, like the takeover tour. I have to say, I think we got the best locations because we got to go to Vancouver, we got to go to Seattle, Denver, and Quebec City. I hope I'm not missing one. Definitely Vancouver, I've visited before, and I love it so much. That's why I'm literally here training here right now before going to actual camp. And yeah, that game, like, first of all, I was so excited to be able to come back just for like the city itself, but then like seeing how it was even more sold out than like this sellout was even higher than like a sellout for the Canucks. I think I was told. Like, how did that how does that even work? I don't know, but like that's really cool, and like yeah, it I don't know, it's just like unbelievable. I don't even have words for it.

SPEAKER_01:

It was uh it was the probably the most lively hockey game that I've been to in years, and obviously it has something to do with the average age, probably being 16 some screaming gals in attendance, but either way, like that's the kind of energy and excitement that the PWHL needs, the WNBA needs. This is what women's sports has been needing. And honestly, the PWHL, the PWHLPA has been doing a really good job about getting that awareness out there, having bringing new fans into the game. I mean, we were down in Denver, I think there's there was a Denver game as well that kicked off. They had a pretty good showing there.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I obviously I'm a huge sports fan. I'm trying to pull the hockey or uh I'm trying to add other sports to our hockey clients. Going to a baseball game with a Lenny in Colorado. We got to see that insane baseball game 1716. Uh Camp overall weekend. I'd love to hear kind of what your thoughts were on it. Uh, you know, it was something we were able to bring a dozen of our clients down to Denver. What were your thoughts on it? Give me the rundown. Hyper Rice, we had every we had brands there, we had extra ice times, we had coaches here from Coach Due.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. I thought it was amazing. I mean, I was lucky, honestly, that I was here in the summer because I was in Vancouver to train, obviously. Eleni said, Hey, we're we're putting this camp together, like we want you to come. And I was like, perfect, like I'm not that far away. So I was super pumped that I was able to go. Obviously, you see it like from other agencies, like before before Eleni actually joined Cook Stark. I was already working with her, but like she had like a small company. I don't think it would have probably been possible to do anything like this. And then, but obviously, I I don't regret at all like signing with her, like working with her then. It's just like interesting to see like all these bigger like hockey agencies, like they're doing all these things, like they're getting all their athletes all these products and like bringing them to places and all this stuff. And now with like Cook Stock, like obviously, like it's such a big agency, like, not only in hockey, so like it is really, really cool to be like a part of that and get to experience that as well. And then obviously, like, like you said, like there were so many like products that were willing to like bring something to us, like hyperized, like sent a bunch of stuff for us to try out, like obviously, all these protein like brands, like Howie's with the tape, like it's all the like little things that are like come together and like that make such a big difference at like an event like this. Because we didn't even have to think about like, oh, what am I gonna have for a snack? Oh, like there's a bar like here, perfect, you know, like it's like all these like little things that are so like critical and like important for us like as athletes, and like so pretty much like even at a short camp like that, that's probably not very easy to organize. Like for us, it felt like we didn't have to worry about anything else, yeah. And then obviously on top, like we wanna we are also there to like get to know everyone in the agency, like have fun. Like you said, the baseball game, like that was a lot of fun. Then we did like the Red Rocks hike, like yeah, so like it was a lot of like three days, but like that's what you want, right? For sure.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, and that's like you know the ability for us to bring people together in one area, learn about what you like, what you didn't like about the past season, what we can do better for the upcoming season. And yeah, when you have hyper ice, howwees, IQ bar, good wipes sending products, it's like, okay, how can we eliminate the needs of you guys when you're here on site so that you can just focus on training and having a good time?

SPEAKER_00:

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01:

And man, we have to highlight, shout out to Lander and Aleni for the work that they do. Lander originally started, he was LDC talent before we became Cook Stark Management, and he was just hockey players.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

And obviously, we met, saw, highlighted some of his athletes, and was like, hey, why don't we do this for all athletes, not just hockey players? Because all women can benefit from this. Absolutely. Obviously, we add Eleni, director of hockey ops. She's now director of athlete operations, actually. With all the expansions that you talk about, you know, we uh perks of having a lawyer on the team. But now we, you know, we continue to scale, right? And it's again, I said it before, but I'll say it again, it's a testament to you guys on the ice, on the court, on the field, performing, giving us an opportunity to go and advocate on your behalf, right? And that's not an easy task to do, especially in this day and age when brands claim to be putting lots of dollars into women's sports, but in reality, as we all know, that's not quite the case yet. But we're seeing improvements, and baby steps is all we can ask for. But I do have a couple questions that I got Eleni to send me because you know she's got some insider information on you. And I do want to know if you were to perform an art heist right now, and you had to pick three of your closest either friends or previous teammates to complete this art heist with, who would you be bringing along?

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. First one is an easy one, and it's perfect because she also is a CSM athlete, actually. Nemo Nubarova. I met her when I played at Providence Hill. We played one year Providence together. We did our grad year there, and we just became really close friends. And honestly, I think like every time like one of us has a crazy idea or had a crazy idea in the past, like the other one is just like jumps right on board with it and is like, yeah, let's do it. Like, I'm down, let's let's just do it, whatever. Like, screw everything else. Like so, I think that would be first of all a lot of fun. It would probably be a little bit scary because we're I don't know, just like being silly, yeah. But definitely her. And then one of my other really good friends, also Cook Stark athlete, Francie Feldmeyer, played with her, played with her on Team Germany. I played with her growing up ever since we started together pretty much. I was six years old, that's when I met her. She's a year younger, and so I've known her forever. She is also down to do anything crazy, but I think she has she would have like a good idea how to like actually solve the problem too. Like obviously we're trying to, yeah, we're trying to get somewhere with this too, right? Like we're not trying to get caught.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, you gotta be agile, adapt.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And actually, now that I think about it, you know what? Who else who else I'm gonna add? It's not a teammate, but I'm gonna add Lenny. Oh. Because she's gonna get us out of it.

SPEAKER_01:

True. Yeah, if you do get caught, yeah. Yeah, she'll talk to them and be like, listen, it was extenuating circumstances. We need to, we needed to grab the artwork.

SPEAKER_00:

It was she'll manage. Yeah, yeah. Anytime there's a slight problem, I'll just reach out to her. So that's true.

SPEAKER_01:

You and I both, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're in the same position. That's awesome. One of the pieces that I wanted to bring up at some point with you was obviously you are the national starting goalie for the German hockey team, but you are currently the backup in Montreal for the Victor. We've talked about goalies having mindset, mental issues, depending on who you ask. What goes into the preparation for either being a starter or the backup for you specifically? Are there different adjustments that you make prior to going into those games? How do you handle that?

SPEAKER_00:

I think what I found really important for myself, and really helpful actually, which I I don't know if it would work for everybody, but maybe this could be advice to some people, maybe not to everyone. Yeah. Just like I see it as like everything it's still all just hockey. Like I play hockey because I love hockey. I love playing hockey. Every single day, every single practice, there's something that I will find enjoyable about it, right? Yeah. And so I think at some point of my career, I believe it was in college at some point, like there's even then there's times where like I didn't play as much, maybe, or like I didn't perform the way I wanted to. And I found, I want to say, like, a switch that I was just like, okay, it's really not that deep. Like, it is just hockey, like, it's not the end of the world.

SPEAKER_01:

If something happens, like we always ask goalies who they love to get to to play against, specifically, whether they like stopping someone or whether they like having someone shoot on them in particular. Do you have anyone that you love to play against?

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. And it actually started with my first worlds. I was a third goalie, but for crazy events. Well, our first goalie got injured. I ended up on the bench when we played against Canada. And with the record that Germany had back then against Canada, hopefully it will be different now. There was literally no chance of us ever like having a chance, even. So I was told before the game there's a chance that you will play the third period, and that's what happened. We were down 5-0 after the second. So I played the third period, phased 25 shots, got scored on twice. That's okay. But it was honestly like the coolest experience to play against like Poolin, Stacy, Spooner, Nurse, like all these like big names that like back then, like I just watched them and I was like, these are like the superstars of like women's hockey, right? And like, and they still are, but just now it's like a different perspective because now they're my teammates. For sure. Or like I play against them like on a more like regular basis.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, they're colleagues.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so it's crazy, but obviously back then, and like Pooh, like, I mean, everyone knows like she's she is the best player in hockey and women's hockey right now, and like now she's on my team, and I get to face her like every single day. And honestly, like I've actually said this to my goalie coach last year, like, if I can stop Pooh's shot on like this specific situation, I'll probably be fine with most other people.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Maybe that sounds a little bit weird, but like that's just like because she is so good at it that I'm like, I love playing against her or like facing her shots because it will make me that much better.

SPEAKER_01:

If you have Alexander Ovechkin shooting on you from his corner spot and he's not able to score, you have confidence going up against anyone else, knowing that he's one of the best. I literally this past weekend was playing against Megan Augusta at the Cinux Alumna, Canuck's Autism Network event, and she scored on me. So, past guest of the pod, episode 200, for those who are wondering or want to listen to another women's hockey episode. That was humbling because again, one of the best women's hockey players to ever put on skates. And it's crazy because people will watch hockey now and say, oh, PWHL, NHL, there's still a gap. It's apples to oranges. There's, you know, there's differences, obviously. But man, was she phenomenal on skates? And I can't wait for next year when I get to come out to camp, throw on the gear, and get lit up by some of our clients too. It would have helped you this year, giving you guys a bit of a break.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01:

Because you guys needed it, but hey, well, we live and we learn next year it'll be that much better. I've got I I skated with uh Pavel Barber out in uh Toronto a couple years ago, and I'm like, I want to get a bunch of past guests of the podcast out to come play with like clients and stuff, whether we're playing hockey, whether we're playing golf, whatever. It's like I think that part of the whole CSM experience could be cool too, because you know, there's no reason why when we're down in Denver, we go watch a you know baseball game and then we go golf, right? And like we we go play pickleball. Like everyone's an athlete, everyone can play to some degree, like you said. Maybe we're not the best at pickleball, but you can still hit it around, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01:

I uh I think that there's a world where the agency space can be improved, upgraded, and allow for there to be so much more benefits for you as an athlete to be a part of an organization like CSM. I think that's what like Lander and Alani and I have been striving for. Ryan, Claire, everyone else who's involved. It's you know, we're trying to make sure that you guys get the same opportunities that us guys have been given for decades, right? And I think when you have again brands like Perfect Sports who start supporting brands like Lactigo, who are already working with uh Kirsten Campbell, but we're gonna get you set up with some as well. My boy Barry, he's in Kelowna. We met him at Kelowna Hockey Fest. Everyone's using this stuff. I don't know, you said you haven't seen it yet, but guys like Leon and Davo are out there throwing that on 30 minutes before the game, and it's crazy the benefits. They just actually had a study released, apparently it's like 10 to 12% improvement in uh abilities. It basically just eliminates your body's process of creating lactic acid, if I'm not going too basic with it, and carnosin gets thrown into the old muscles and it eliminates that. So cool. Again, very basic level, but almost similar in the sense where if you're adding things like creatine, lactico to your system, you're getting that little bit of an extra edge. And as an athlete, that's all you can ask for, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, absolutely. All the little things.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, what are what are some of those little things that you maybe add to your repertoire that most don't? Are there anything specific? Do you cold plunge? Do you sauna? Are you stretching for six hours a night? Like, is there anything specific that you do that maybe most don't?

SPEAKER_00:

I honestly am gonna go a completely different route with it. Okay. No, I don't cold plunge, I don't love it. I don't really go to the sauna. I should stretch more than I probably do. I think what's important for me is to just completely get away from it.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

So just like turn your brain off from hockey.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Obviously, it's not gonna work all day, every day. But I think it's like important for me to like have a few minutes at least, if it only is that much, like to just be like, no, like that's not my only identity.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, and that's kind of to get back to what I was saying earlier, like it is just hockey. Like, yeah, you're not gonna do it for your whole entire life. If realistically, if you think about it, it's gonna be a small portion of your life, actually.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, for sure. 10, 15, 20% of it. Like, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so there's so much more, and I think that's really, really important to me. It's like there, I don't want to be just a hockey player. Right now, I am, it feels like I'm just a hockey player, but to my friends, I'm not just a hockey player. To most people that probably just know me from hockey, obviously that's that's all they see, and that's okay. But that too, like with if I create content, like with the content that I do create, like I'm that kind of gives people a glimpse of like how I who I actually am as a person too. Like, I want to be authentic, like I don't want to take things too seriously, like you know, like I make things because I think they're funny or like they're cool or whatever. I'm not trying to put like a face on just to like portray a different picture of myself.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and I think that's why your content has resonated with so many people. That's why you're starting to see some momentum and scale in that social media realm because we talked about it before, but like the requ the requirements of a professional athlete now are not just to go out and perform on the ice. It's hey, now I have to create content for the brands that I'm working with. Now I have to make sure that everyone on the back end is taken care of, that I have tickets sorted for the people who are coming to watch the games. Like it's not just going out stopping pucks as much as people like to break it down and think it's that's how simple it is. So for you to be able to have done all of this, again, only playing your position for 10 years, is an amazing testament to how hard you work. I'm very proud to be able to call you a friend, be able to go watch you perform when you're here in Vancouver, down in Denver. But more than anything, I think I also like the fact that you are chilling, just like a normal person. I think honestly, goalies get a bad rep. I've had I've had a dozen plus goalies on this show in particular over the past six years, and I can confidently say, and maybe that's because I'm a goalie myself, but we're all pretty cool individuals. Maybe we got some little quirks, we got some intricacies, but at the end of the day, I think that's what makes us all human beings. Yeah. And I always like to wrap up these episodes by asking our guests the biggest piece of advice. Having already heard you say it once, I can't wait for the folks listening to hear you say it again because it leaves a nice touch on this episode. This being the 270th, 271st, we don't even know right now.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, my biggest advice, and it's a little cheesy quote actually, that Eleni just threw my way the other day, and I love it because it's perfect for how I think about things, what I believe in, and it's don't dream small dreams. Just keep believing, keep dreaming, keep coming up with like the craziest ideas, even like as long as you believe in it, and as long as you obviously work hard for it, there's gonna be ups and downs, there's gonna be not so fun moments, like all that is part of it. Just like honestly embrace it and keep working on it. And if you believe it, then I think you can do it.

SPEAKER_01:

I love it. I'm I hadn't seen that quote until I saw Starter send us the draft mock-ups of your merchandise that we're gonna be selling on CSM's website. We're gonna be promoting the heck out of it. We're gonna see it in the arenas here all across Canada, North America, worldwide with your German fans. Totally. Actually, before we leave, we need to talk about your super fan that was in Ottawa that came to watch you play, or came to watch that was a PWHL draft last year. We were in Ottawa, and there were two super fans in Ottawa that were literally waiting for you. They they were like, We need to find out who and where Sandy is, and they had a Lenny like connect you.

SPEAKER_00:

Really?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You have you have some of, if not the most passionate fans in the PWHL in Ottawa still supporting you. They're probably from Montreal now. They're gonna be, they might have moved there.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I know who you are. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

That is, yo, that's saying something.

SPEAKER_00:

I guess, yeah. And honestly, I don't know what I did to deserve it, but I'll take it.

SPEAKER_01:

Hey, hey, you're doing something right. Keep doing that. Shout out to Perfect Sports for sponsoring this episode to Pioneer, Alder Grove, Lactico, no free ads. They don't sponsor us yet, but we're working on it. And no, this is walking home with all of these. You don't have to walk too far, but you're gonna have to make sure you're stocked up on supplements. Sandra, can't thank you enough. This has been the episode 271st episode. on the athletes podcast we did it twice we'll see you folks next week for another new one bye bye

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