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Firing The Man
From Basketball Courts to Creative Agency: Trevor Lubiens on Storytelling and Marketing Mastery
Join us for an inspiring conversation with Trevor Lubiens, a dynamic creative who transitioned from the basketball courts of college coaching to the pulsating heart of Nashville's music scene, before founding his own innovative agency, Conflux Creative. Trevor's journey is a masterclass in adaptability and creativity, highlighting how his diverse experiences in music, graphic design, and leadership roles have shaped his unique approach to storytelling and marketing. Discover how Trevor navigated the challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic while serving as the Director of Worship, Arts, and Communication at a large church in Idaho, and learn about his passion for storytelling through impactful projects like the documentary "I'll Push You."
We unlock the secrets to successful marketing with Trevor's insights on the art of storytelling and problem-solving, especially when it comes to marketing physical products. He shares invaluable advice on effective communication with video editors to craft compelling content and discusses the founding of Conflux Creative alongside his collaborator Abigail. Their collaboration underscores the importance of complementary skills, blending social media expertise with client relationship management to drive the agency's success. This conversation is a treasure trove of practical strategies for anyone looking to elevate their marketing efforts through creativity and entrepreneurship.
Explore the dynamic world of professional content creation as Trevor outlines the differences between DIY projects and engaging a professional agency like Conflux Creative. From the agency's three-phase process of discovery, design, and delivery, to strategies for capturing shrinking attention spans, Trevor provides actionable insights for creating engaging content. With a versatile range of services in video, photography, branding, and graphic design, Conflux Creative is poised to help clients advance along their buyer's journey. Don't miss our exploration of how professional storytelling can transform your brand and captivate audiences in a competitive market.
Resources Mentioned:
- Conflux Creative – Video and Photography Agency
- Trevor’s Instagram: @confluxcreative
- Book: Red Rising Trilogy by Pierce Brown
- Tools: Video editing software, iPhone for DIY filming
Connect with Trevor:
- Website: conflux-creative.com
- Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/conflux-creative/about/
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/conflux.creative/
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Speaker 2:Welcome everyone to another exciting episode of the Firing the man podcast. Today we have a very special guest joining us, someone who's mastered the art of creativity in multiple forms, from marketing and freelancing to launching his own agency and now venturing into the world of filmmaking. We are thrilled to have Trevor Liebens with us today. Trevor's journey is a testament to the power of following your creative passions, whether it's building brands, working with clients across different sectors or tackling his latest ambitious projects, filming his first documentary. He's here to share the why behind his drive to create, what he's learned from working in agencies, freelancing and starting his own company, and give us a sneak peek into the documentary filmmaking process. If you're a creative entrepreneur or just someone looking to find your why in whatever you do, this episode is packed with insights. So sit back, get inspired and let's dive into the mind of Trevor Lubbins. Trevor, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. So, to start things off, can you share with our listeners a little bit about your background and path to founding Conflux Creative?
Speaker 3:founding Conflux Creative. Yeah, Thanks for that intro. That felt like way too much. You said master, and I think Jack, Jack of all trades.
Speaker 3:But that's part of my story, I think, man, I had a great growing up period where we didn't have screens back then. I'm that old, Uh. So I was outside a lot, I was building a lot, I was drawing a lot, I was playing music and all of that led to, you know, coming out of college. I was, I played college basketball. I was dead set on I'm going to be a college basketball coach. I wasn't the most athletic but I was going to do that and then got back into music, Like after college, started playing music again, found my passion for that. That ended up. I got a development deal in Nashville.
Speaker 3:So I moved from Idaho to Nashville. Not a culture shock because I had lived in Seattle before, um, but well, a culture shock in the south. The south is a little different and was there for about two years. I thought I was gonna move for six months, check the scene out, uh, learn some stuff, move back to idaho. But I just stayed. I got married, um, my wife lived in idaho but then she moved. So we lived there, kind of started our roots there and then the music scene was changing as well. So this is right around 2007, if you remember iPhone, social media so now streaming is happening and if you want to make music, you got to be on the road and I just didn't want to do that. So now I had to. You know what am I going to do now? Do I get back into basketball coaching?
Speaker 3:But I ended up in a job in marketing somehow they needed, so it was for a smaller university in Nashville, Tennessee. They're somewhat connected with the university that I went to. There's nine Nazarene colleges around the United States and so this one's in Nashville, Trevecca Nazarene University. They needed somebody who could help with music. They needed someone with graphic design ability and somebody who had some leadership skills, and randomly I had all of those. But then that's where I really cut my teeth in marketing and it's a. It was a smaller agency. We grew to about 12 people, um, for the university and I did everything from marketing, uh, market. I was the coordinator for a while, did video, graphic design, headed up our video department and then my last three years there I was the creative director, which I really thrived in that role, Moved back to Idaho.
Speaker 3:We had our first kid, wanted to be back close to family. There was a larger church that needed help with their worship. Leader was gone, but they wanted some help with communication. So I fit the bill on that one. Somebody knew my background and they're like. So I became the director of worship, arts and communication at a larger church here, Did that for four years. Covid hit All of my. Both of my areas were kind of upended, um, because we did all of our Sunday services online and then our communication ramped up because of that. So I was working. Uh, there was a few 60, 70 hour weeks of trying to create a new infrastructure, um, trying to create a new infrastructure, figuring out our systems, and I did that. And then I will put a little pause in here. Again, I told you, stop me if I'm rambling. You're doing great. You're doing great In 2019,.
Speaker 3:I got asked by a couple of my friends Patrick and Justin I don't know if you're familiar with. I'll push you. It's a documentary about their story, so. So Justin is in a wheelchair. He has a neurological disease that that has taken his limbs. All his muscles don't work there. So he's in a wheelchair and he wanted to do the Camino de Santiago. It's a 500 mile pilgrimage in Northern Spain and he is the first person to do this, to complete that in a wheelchair, and his friend Patrick pushed him and they shot a documentary on it and that led them to doing something that they called the accessible Camino. So a bunch of people in the accessible world were asking them questions I want to do this, how do I do it, when do we stay? What do we pack? And they were like, let's do group trips for people. And they knew me, they knew my background in video, so they asked if I would come and document these trips. There's six days we do the last 120 kilometers.
Speaker 3:The first year we had 10 people in wheelchairs that we call them captains, and about 35 pushers, uh and pullers and uh. That was a life-changing experience. And when I came back um from that trip, I knew I knew my life was going to change. From that trip, I knew I knew my life was going to change Um, I didn't know quite how drastically, but I made it through COVID, I helped our church, uh, through that period and then once, once, we kind of felt like it was under control. Um, I made the switch to um.
Speaker 3:I tried to start a nonprofit and it was centered around this idea that there are people in need and there are people who can help and so let's create a different type of community center that centers around nonprofit organizations I worked with. We had a lot of steam at the very beginning and I learned a ton. We there was an architect firm here in Boise that I met with that loved the idea. They donated a lot of time and energy to give us some amazing blueprints and I did that for three and a half years until it's a massive project. We were looking at $25 to $30 million and could never just get it off the ground. I had some incredible again like a lot of steam and some incredible people that were involved. But uh, so then in March of 2024, uh, I had to do something along the side of of trying to create that nonprofit.
Speaker 3:So I started freelancing using my old skills back in marketing and then went on another accessible Camino They've done five of them and I met Abigail Hansen on our last trip on the Portuguese way.
Speaker 3:She had also started freelancing in March and when we got back from Spain, back to Idaho here, we got coffee together and we were both like I'm freelancing, I don't love it, I want to work with someone, and our skills were different enough, but our vision was the same that it just made sense. We tried to go slowly at it, but every single meeting we were like this could really work. We could both see the benefit of working with each other. And so, man, within like this, this could really work. We could both see the benefit of working with each other. And so, man, within like a month, we had created Confluence Creative, which our confluence is. You know, two things coming together. So Abigail and I come together to create this, along with our marketing, like we're a marketing agency and we will come alongside you and we will create something incredible. So that's the nonlinear long version of of starting an agency.
Speaker 2:Very nice, very nice. I love the story and love the background, and one thing I really admire about that story is all the zigs and zags, all of the different life experiences that you had to lead you here, and so I, you know, a lot of our listeners are selling physical products, and there's really three components of physical products. You've got your sales copy, you've got your photography and you've got your video, and you and Abigail are the one to punch on great video and great photography, and so I would like to dive into that and talk about your. Why Can you share your? Why on what motivates you when you're pursuing creative projects and maybe what lessons some of our listeners can take away as they're marketing and selling their products.
Speaker 3:That's a great question I think of when you, when you say creativity it's such a broad term and you can go in so many different ways Right, and for me to being involved in a smaller agency, at the very beginning, I had to learn a lot of different things, things and so then, when you approach a project, you're like where, like where do we go with this? And it took me a while to figure this out, and I think that I heard somebody else say this I can't remember where, when, but man, as soon as they said it, it resonated with me. I am creative to tell better stories or to help solve problems. Help solve problems, tell better stories Sometimes.
Speaker 3:Sometimes, the problem that I'm solving is I need a paycheck, and that you know. That's the one that I don't want to go after. Um, but I, when you have this huge, massive field of creativity, uh, to to really dive into what problem are we solving, um creates a kind of a fence or a barrier in which to be creative in, but at least it narrows the focus and so we can actually get some things done, and I've I find that to be extremely helpful throughout the whole process. Um, you know, what story are we telling, or what problem are we solving? And sometimes you tell a story to solve a problem, uh, so they work hand in hand, so that's been helpful for me.
Speaker 2:Very nice, very nice. I'm glad that you mentioned solving a problem. When you look at physical products, the best products tend to solve a problem. And if you think of products that you know to our listeners, if you think of some things that you've recently ordered and we're really excited for them to show up, oftentimes those are solving some sort of problem is communicating with the video editor. What are some of the things that they can do to help communicate efficiently and effectively? So when you're starting the project, you've got a good roadmap.
Speaker 3:Oh man, this is good. You know, especially through video, attention spans are getting shorter, Um, but I do find I still find that if the video is done well, a long video seems short. If it's if it's not done well, a short video seems long. But I think, getting to those pain points quickly and in creative ways so that your viewer identifies really quickly yes, that's me, or I know somebody that has that problem I'm waiting, Give me the solution, and so I do. I think that there are really great ways in order to um, to be there.
Speaker 3:I do think, like you said, if, if you're, if you have a product that does solve a problem, then the issue then becomes if you, I mean marketing becomes a little bit easier, unless the market is saturated, and then you just have top of sight, top of mind, Like I think of Geico, like how many different ads can we get out just so that when you need insurance, you know where you're coming? Yeah, so they don't. I don't know that. They some. They get to the problem and they get to it very creatively sometimes, but anyways, that could be rambling as well.
Speaker 2:No, I that's helpful, it's really helpful, and, and you know, one of the things that I take away from your answer was was getting to the pain points quickly, and I think, as, as owner operators, uh communicating what that problem is, uh to to the, the people that we're working with, is really important. And so, uh, let let's turn the corner and talk about starting Conflux Creative. What have been? How is that going, and were there any like key moments that solidified your decision that this is what I'm doing?
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, I tried freelance for a while and I was ready for the grind. When I came back from Spain, I had, you know, two video projects that I needed to knock out. I had just finished a larger one, right before I left, which needed a little bit of follow up, so I was ready to grind it out. But I think that was part of it is freelancing. It really exposed my weaknesses and that would be administrative. I can do the detail work. I was a coordinator for a while.
Speaker 3:It's not the space that I love to live in. I really I love ideation. I love meeting with clients, discovering who they are, what they're trying to sell, what they're trying to do in their service, and so I think, with, with Abigail, um, we again I said this we had enough, uh, of a difference in our makeup, in, in, in our skillset and some of the things that she brought. It wasn't just amazing photography. She's an incredible photographer and also, let's just be honest, I am. I don't feel like I'm old, but I'm getting old and the world is changing so fast and social media always has new trends and she is a native and she gets it Right and so being able to create it's. It's not just the, the design, it's the delivery and how do you deliver it and when do you deliver it. So she brought that. But more than that, too, she brought in client relationships, like staying in contact with people and with some of the administrative parts of it. Again, that's not her strength, but it's more of a strength than I have, and she loves finishing projects. It's not that I don't, I just love the new projects and I'm so excited to get to it and I'm so excited to ideate with people.
Speaker 3:And so there were so many things that made it obvious, I think, to both of us, that this really would work and in the future. I think we want to grow. I don't think we want to get huge, but administrative is the next hire for us, somebody that's task oriented, that is built for that. There are some people that just love it. I mean from my old job, betsy Harris man, I miss Betsy. She had it all and she loved it and she thrived in that, and so I think we'll get to that point. But, um, yeah, I, I think it was just, it was all.
Speaker 2:It was seeing this, the, the larger scope of conflicts, creative, and how both of us fit into that and it made sense absolutely one thing that I think makes you guys a dream team is you, as you admitted, may not thrive on the administrative stuff, but you do the thing. You do the photography and the video really, really well. I've been a fan of Abigail's work for a while, and you and I had an opportunity to work together on a video project recently, uh, where I was doing a product highlight video and and needed the perfect uh beat for me to tap into the creative side, and so working with people that are really good at doing the thing, at doing the filmmaking, at doing great video, great music and great photography is what I think is really going to set you guys up for success, and so let's talk about so. You mentioned the documentary let's let's talk about that. So you mentioned the documentary, let's talk about that. How did the first one go and what were some of your key takeaways from that process?
Speaker 3:I was not involved in their first documentary. Their first trip was 2014. And Patrick Justin's friend who was pushing him he worked in the medical industry and his boss. He said I need a month off, maybe more. And his boss said, yes, on one condition you've got. I want to see this story, so you have to film it. So they did the documentary.
Speaker 3:What I'm doing for these group trips is the first one. I had no idea what I was doing. It's a six day journey. You know, after so long you get the same type of footage. I mean, it really is incredible the terrain that we're going over. Sometimes you just have to four people on a chair and you have to lift over these rocks. Um, some of these hills are just nonstop and you've got to get five or six people and people are tapping out cause they're just getting tired or whatever, and so. But but lately what I've done is um, I've been able to do the six day, like I want people to remember each day, and then there's an overarching vibe to the whole group, and so the videos that I've been putting out lately are like 35 minutes or so 35 to 40 minutes, and we've done five.
Speaker 3:We just got back from our last two in June, and Patrick and Justin, they put these on. There's a ton of administrative work that goes on for these, a ton of planning. We stay in hotels because on the trip, on the trail, there's just not hostels or albergues that can house 45 people all of a sudden one night. So there's transportation, there's accessible transportation, blah, blah, blah. There's a ton. So they got back from this last trip yeah, they both have different jobs now than when they started and they had to make the really tough decision that they're going to do two more in 2026. And that's going to be it for the accessible Caminos.
Speaker 3:And so, as I was processing that information, I was processing it with a friend, and this friend knows about these trips and they were like these are too good to stop and they tried to convince me. Well, they tried to convince Patrick and Justin through me to keep these going. I said, yeah, I don't do that part, um, but I'll tell them. And then, at the very end, they just said, well, they've got to shoot a second documentary. Uh, people need to know what's been happening with them since the first trip, because this has blown up to so many people. Um, and that just like pierced my soul and I was like, yeah, uh, we need to do this.
Speaker 3:So I think I'm not a documentary filmmaker. Um, I, I can. I know that I can. I've got a ton to learn. I've never done this before, but I think when you, when you start out as a filmmaker, you go and search for the story, and I do think this story just found me like I'm just the one that has to. I, I, I have a an interesting perspective of it because I've been behind the camera for all of these group trips, because I know Patrick and Justin so well Patrick's, they're both some of my best friends and so, yeah, there's a huge learning curve for me.
Speaker 3:I will say, if there's one thing the accessible Camino has taught me, it's that you cannot do this alone like there. There are there's parts of these trails that, um, I remember there's a guy named James who is he's had a spinal cord injury. He is super broad shoulder, really strong, and he can do so much in his chair, but we got to this Roman road and it's a kilometer and a half of just rock and he can't do it Like I think he would try, but he just needs people and I, and I remember that, that visual, when I started thinking about doing this documentary and searching like how, what's it going to take? Uh, what's, what's the cost of this going to be? What are we going to need to raise? What's the crew look like? All of a sudden, that became my Roman road and immediately I was like wait, I've got 250 people who love the accessible Camino, who have been on it, who understand it.
Speaker 3:So I reached out to all of our WhatsApp groups, sent them a video. I said I want to do this, but I can't do it alone. And within 10 minutes, one of the girls her name's Ariane. She was on the French way in 2022 with us. She's like so I produced documentaries. Do you need help? I was like yes, of course we need help. So we've had incredible meetings with her and we've got connections worldwide. Now, because of this, People are from Australia and New Zealand and France and all over the United States and Vancouver. So I'm not doing this alone. I'm just the director. I'm going to take all this information and all this help and try to create something incredible that does the story justice. That's awesome. It's awesome.
Speaker 2:That's awesome. That's a really cool project that you're working on and, uh, I think that'll be a really really neat experience, and so uh, very cool, very cool. Uh, to our listeners, there are some DIYers, I think, as people are getting businesses off the ground, they're bootstrapping and they're doing their own videography and, with you being a professional, what would be some pro tips for those DIYers to keep in mind?
Speaker 3:First of all, I would say this doesn't help me, uh, cause I would love your business, but there's never been a better time to be a videographer. Iphones, uh smartphones, have changed the camera game, and they are light, they are portable, they're always with you, Um, and the cameras just keep getting better. That are always with you, and the cameras just keep getting better. So one thing that I would say, though, is audio.
Speaker 3:Good audio makes bad video really good. Right, Bad audio makes good video look bad, look horrible. It's really interesting. I think a lot of people look on the visual side of it, but I think this is just my take our world, uh, and especially a lot of the people that we're marketing to, have grown up seeing iPhone video, so they're used to, they're used to that visual, they're used to that style, um, and so I think it has more to do with the storytelling, but then, especially, the audio part of it, like if you have a, if you're just doing an interview with somebody, and the audio is not great, it's just I think it's going to lose interest. I think people are going to lose interest pretty quick.
Speaker 2:So that's one pro tip I would say yeah, I love it, and that's a question that we've gotten from our audience members is do I need to buy a video camera or a DSLR camera? And I think you know it's helpful to hear from a pro that the iPhone in a lot of instances can be sufficient. Now, what would be some differences between you know a DIY project versus going with a professional? What are some things that you know, if you were to engage an agency like Conflux Creative that you could expect.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you could expect, you know, I like, I have three D's for my process discovery, design, delivery. You can expect a lot of time in the discovery phase, so we're going to ask a lot of questions. It's not like I want to be a part of your team, but I want to be a part of your team Like I want to know, I want to, I want to own this project, I want to, I want to, uh, be a team member, and that will help with um, that will help with the overall project. And then I think you know DIY, you can get away with it. I think for some, for a lot of things.
Speaker 3:However, there is a difference with somebody who knows what they're doing. As far as the editing goes, again, like I said, if it's edited well, if it's done well, five minutes seems like two minutes, and I think people know how to professionals really do know how to identify with a viewer, to connect with them pretty quickly. And then I think that it's just a little bit more than just putting a camera in front of something and expecting people to be like, yeah, I want that product or that service, especially when there might be somebody else in the same market that has spent a little bit of time, a little bit of money on video. There's my dog back there.
Speaker 2:Good looking dog you got there.
Speaker 3:Yeah and yeah. So I think I think that's it, and then really truly to, I think, figuring out what style you need to shoot in, um, that's been something too. I've been working with some real estate agents, and especially with Idaho. I don't know if you're familiar, but everybody wants to move to Boise right now, and so there's some real estate agents that got in early, which was great, but now there's a ton of people that want to be in this market. And so I'll just even say with one one of my friends, becca is an amazing real estate agent and we've we've done some projects with her where we we have her brand is Becca Sells Boise.
Speaker 3:We have her brand is Becca Sells Boise and we go out to different parts of the Treasure Valley and it feels very authentic and it's shot with an iPhone on purpose. But then there are some things behind the scenes of knowing what to take out, understanding the timing of things, understanding the right music bed, things like that that, I think, just resonate and will hold people's attention a little bit more and get people to share it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. You've mentioned a couple of times people's attention spans are shrinking, and I have noticed that as well, and so what are some things that you can do on the video side that help cater to the audience that has the attention span of a gnat?
Speaker 3:Oh man, attention span of a, of a gnat, oh man, there's like the, the full counter approach to that which would be, instead of trying to keep pace with everything else that everybody sees, maybe it actually is slowing down. Maybe it is choosing a music bed that creates some space, and maybe it is telling a better story. Or maybe it's telling a story in, in sections and chunks, where you leave on a cliffhanger, where you, where you do get to that pain point, but then you, you stop it and you make people want more. I think, then, as far as attention spans go, oh yeah, that's a tough one because it depends, I think, on what medium, like if you're on something like Tik TOK, where you, or Instagram, where it's just the constant. You know how that's.
Speaker 3:I remember we went to a couple of of bigger um marketing seminars and they were like, how do you stop the scroll? Like they had a keynote speaker that was literally like how do you stop the scroll? And I don't know, I don't know if I mean some people can, but like what they're stopping the scroll with versus what they're wanting people to do after they've seen a video are very different, and so you might have to just think outlandish Like you may, which I think might be one of the reasons why, why some of these insurance agencies or these you know you've got like, I think, a little Caesars. They have like the most outlandish, weird but sometimes memorable videos. So it could be go crazier or it could be cut back and go slower. Tell a better story, get people to slow down, be countercultural a little bit. Those are a couple of ideas.
Speaker 2:Very nice, I like it. I like it. Final question before the fire round Talk a little bit more about Conflux Creative and what type of clients are you working?
Speaker 3:what type of clients are you working with right now?
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, Our clientele. It's varied and we love it like that. I think this is kind of the nice thing about having a smaller agency is you get to say, I mean, you have to grind, I think, a little bit during slow times, but then also you get to say yes to some really cool projects. So, yeah, photo video Um, I, my area of expertise is in video. Abigail's is photo. We work well together, though.
Speaker 3:Um, she helps with coloring and lighting, all that stuff, and then, um, and then taking those and taking the that content and then making that available on different social media platforms where people are marketing. There's a skill to that. Like, how do we shorten this? Um, how? How do these work together? So, how does our, our YouTube video reach people on Instagram? How does Instagram push to YouTube? How do they ultimately lead to some somebody moving on that buyer's journey to decision? You know so, uh.
Speaker 3:So, video photo, uh, branding we can do full branding for people. Um, because we do graphic design as well. Uh, so, campaigns as well. We've been working on like pitch decks and taking product photography, like that, and I think we are really trying to narrow our focus a little bit. So there are other things that we could do, because she's a jack of all trades as well. Well, Um, but I think that's that's where we're trying to narrow our focus is um is really great video which will do brand stories which would be a little bit longer, or 60 second or 30 second ads that we can turn into social media reels or content like that Um photos, brand photos, lifestyle photos and product photos, so any type of photography, and then branding and campaigns. I think I would just stick with it there.
Speaker 2:Awesome, awesome, very nice and, to our listeners, video was king in 2024 in terms of increasing conversion rates and getting more buyers to your listings and for our longtime listeners. You know, ken and I very infrequently endorse a software or an agency. However, as Trevor, I've gotten to know you and Abigail and seen some of your work behind the scenes. What you guys are doing is really incredible, really really high quality and uh, so to our listeners, uh, if you're looking for somebody to do your next video project or or your next photography project or both, uh, definitely encourage you to get in touch with Trevor. And Trevor, what would be the best way to get in touch with Conflux Creative?
Speaker 3:Go to somebody already got Conflux Creative, so he had to go Conflux hyphen creativecom. So C O N F L U X hyphen creativecom. And then you can find us at at Conflux Creative on Instagram as well.
Speaker 2:So those are the two main ways Outstanding and standing into anyone driving. We'll post it to show notes. Oh perfect.
Speaker 3:And one more thing I would love to say too is hopefully, our, our product and what we deliver is quality, but also we want to be really fun and professional to work with, and so I I yeah, if you get to meet Abigail, she's great, um, I think I'm okay. So, but we love working with people, with clients, with clients.
Speaker 2:So awesome, absolutely, absolutely. So, uh, next part of the podcast is the fire round. These are four questions that we ask every guest at the end of the podcast. Are you ready? Yes, let's go, all right. What is your favorite book?
Speaker 3:Usually whatever I'm reading at the moment and really whatever. My friend Patrick, who pushed, justin Patrick's a reader and he pushes books on me. Justin Patrick's a reader and he pushes books on me. So, um, I do a lot of learning during the day and I like to shut my brain off, so I go to fantasy and, uh, he's got me reading Pierce Brown, uh, red Rising, the, the trilogy, so I'm on. I just finished Golden Sun, so I'm on the last book.
Speaker 2:Outstanding. What are your hobbies?
Speaker 3:My hobbies are uh, I love hiking. We live in such a great place for outdoor stuff and so I love hiking with my family. Uh, I, I like golfing for the first three holes, then I hate it for the next few, and then I hit one great shot and so I love golf again and I'll go out again. Um, and then I love, uh, I love, I love just being with my family. I've got, we do a lot of stuff together my son's super into football right now, so watching and playing, and my daughter's into gymnastics, so we just get around getting them to all their stuff get around getting them to all their stuff.
Speaker 2:You know, you get it, I do, I do get it. Um, what is, uh? What is one thing you do not miss about working for the man.
Speaker 3:I do not miss multiple bosses. Uh, very infrequently did I have a job where I only had one person. I was, I was listening to and typically there was cross-contamination with vision and mission, so just a kind of a lack of clarity and so it's more pressure on us. But I love being able to be in charge of clarity and and having a singular vision.
Speaker 2:Outstanding. And final question what do you think sets apart successful entrepreneurs from those who give up, fail or never get started?
Speaker 3:Oh, man, I'd probably go back to that clarity piece, clarity on who you are, what you do, why you do it man, I mean Simon Sinek's pretty great but really getting some clarity on your why, and then I do, I think perseverance, um, and just some tenacity. I will say I had a friend in in Nashville, micah Kandros, who's an incredible photographer, and when I was getting into the game I asked him is there any chance I could, I could work with you, you're incredible? And he was like you can't keep up with me, you're incredible. And he was like you can't keep up with me. And I was like really and truth is, I might be able to now, but back then I had no idea what it would take, and he got after it every single morning. He and he knew what he wanted to do and he just he was talented, but he was tenacious, and so I would say tenacity too, I love it well, well, trevor, I want to thank you for being a guest on the Firing the man podcast and again to all of our listeners.
Speaker 2:If you're interested in getting some outstanding video or photography done, please reach out to Trevor and Abigail and Trevor looking forward to staying in touch. Yeah, thanks. So much, david.
