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Life on the Scalpel's Edge: Doc Roc of the Troumatics
Strap in as the enigmatic Doc Roc of The Troumatics and hand surgeon extraordinaire takes you on a tour through the electric avenues of rock melodies and the meticulous lanes of medical practice. From the early days of music where 'Peel and Eat Shrimp' was more than just a dinner option, to the adrenaline-fueled moments in the ER, we cover the spectrum of one man's incredible journey. It's not every day you get to meet someone who knows how to wield a scalpel and a guitar pick with equal finesse, and Doc Roc's story is a testament to following your passion, wherever it may lead you.
This episode isn't just about life-saving surgeries and chart-topping tunes; it's also about the quirks that make our lives uniquely ours. Join us as we chat about navigating the tricky landscape of social media for musicians, the poetry of songwriting, and that all-too-relatable urge to disconnect from technology to forge real connections. From Doc Roc's perspective, whether you're strumming a guitar or snapping on surgical gloves, what matters is the magic that happens away from the screens.
The Funky Panther plays host to tales you won't hear anywhere else—like the time when big-time celebrities crossed paths with our guest, and the backstage wrestling escapades that rival any rock star anecdote. Plus, we're looking ahead to the summer with music and party plans that promise to be as unforgettable as the stories we share. Doc Roc's dual life of riffs and remedies has us marveling at the rhythms of Fort Worth, Texas, and beyond. So, tune in, rock out, and maybe even learn a thing or two about living a life unplugged.
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Oh my gosh. Let me ask you how do you feel about New Wave? Like 80s synth New Wave.
Javier:I love it.
Tim:Okay cool.
Doc Roc:Okay, that's right. Yeah, and that's not what I play, but Right, I'm looking. He's got the rhythm in his hands and the stethoscope team, dark Rock, is his name. He wins his game With his band. The dramatics they're ready to entertain.
Tim:He walks into this guitar by his side, prescribing rock and roll the perfect cure for your life. He'll diagnose your ailments with a kitchen melody and when he starts to sing he'll forget your misery. Don't need no pills, no injections, no vaccines. Just put on your dancing shoes. Live out your dreams. Doc Rock's got the remedy. It's rock and roll therapy.
Javier:He's the doctor of rock prescribing tunes for you and me. Wow, I wouldn't even listen to the lyrics. That's awesome, wow.
Chad:I wouldn't even listen to the lyrics. That's freaking awesome.
Javier:You know what AI is scary sometimes, but damn it. The past two weeks it's been like knocking it out of the park.
Chad:Oh yeah.
Javier:For sure Good stuff.
Tim:It's definitely one of those things that you know. You never know what it's going to say. We got to start the show.
Chad:So yeah, we gotta start the show. We gotta start the show. Oh, hello everyone, and welcome to the funky panther coming here from fort worth, texas. We have got a hell of a show for you here on episode 172. Hooray.
Javier:There it is Nailed it.
Tim:The timing was perfect. It was muted. It was perfect.
Chad:We have got Doc Rock in the building from the Traumatics. You want to say hi, hey, everybody, we're going to get into all the good stuff, so sit back, relax and enjoy. I'm Chad, I'm Javier and I'm Tim, and we are the Funky Panther.
Javier:Woo, and it feels so good, feels so good.
Chad:Now he does it for you, I just wanted to do a thing.
Javier:Like you know, david Letterman would always go. Our guest needs no introduction. Today, on this episode, we have Doc Rock, aka Steve Traum. Do you say the Traumatics?
Chad:Traumatics.
Javier:Traumatics, Because I was like how do you last name?
Tim:You just said he didn't need an introduction. Yet you're doing it. What is this?
Javier:What is happening. I don't know, man. I had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich all day today.
Tim:It's a busy day at work, you okay? Yes.
Javier:My ears are burning.
Chad:What, what, the fuck is going on. What does that mean? I don't know what's happening right now.
Tim:Correct me if I'm wrong. Do you have a pain on the left side of your head? Did you hear a loud clap of thunder, thunder just out of nowhere? Yes, followed by a headache yes, is that a?
Javier:uh, what's that thing?
Tim:I think you're fine okay cool, all right, well it's all normal.
Javier:Uh, steve, how are you doing tonight? I'm well, thank you. What do you like to go by? Because you know you go by, doc rock, when you're being professional on stage professional that's.
Chad:That's his professional life.
Doc Roc:So you know, when I'm just with the guys and girls, I'm steve, um, certainly when I'm in the, in the clinic, everyone calls me dr trown. Uh, and then Doc Rock is just a goofy stage name that was assigned to me back in the day that I haven't been able to shake, and so I just kind of own it now.
Javier:Do you hate it. I mean, is it just like one of those things? That's like you just said?
Doc Roc:Yeah, I don't hate it. It's one of those things. That is what it is. That's how people know me, and so it's okay. You know, if I were to think of my own nickname, I'd probably do something a little more intuitive, but you know a little more abstract. But it's cool, it rhymes. And it tells you what I do. He's a doc and he likes to rock.
Tim:Just do a symbol and say I'm the artist formerly known as doc rock.
Chad:There you go.
Javier:What's the symbol gonna be? I don't know, do you? That's too easy? Yeah, I know, do you use? I mean, do you use a stethoscope?
Doc Roc:you don't right, I mean uh, occasionally I will, but since I'm a hand surgeon generally, you know I'm dealing with your hands and not a whole lot of breathing down there in the hand yeah so, um, you know, just to make sure you're healthy and okay for surgery, you might listen your heart and your lungs, but uh, as far as you know, evaluating hand complaints, you don't necessarily need a stethoscope all right, so we've got two whole sides of you that we need to talk about which one.
Chad:Do you want to start with the doc or the rock? Oh man, um, we're giving you the option here. What? Uh, let's start with doc. Okay?
Javier:well then, I've got a question real quick, I've got a question I have a look at this boil I have no, I've got, I've got a question for you.
Tim:uh, so in as a as a orthopedic hand surgeon, are you, you doing a lot of? I mean, you schedule cases out, right, but do you get a lot of kind of emergency cases I've got to go in there and do some work, or are you kind of over that now and strictly just scheduling stuff?
Doc Roc:I'll get a smattering of trauma. I don't work at one of the big trauma centers, so I'm not getting these disasters. I don't work at one of the big trauma centers, so I'm not getting these disasters. But I'll have people that break their wrists or their hands, or the drunk guy that gets in the fight with his girlfriend and punches the wall and it's like I thought it would get better last week but it didn't. And they'll come in and they've got fractures and stuff that I'll do surgery on.
Tim:Sir, your hand's all messed up.
Doc Roc:We're going to have to fix that. Yeah, or you know, or guys that you know ignore that they got hurt and then finally realize you may know someone like that, tim, I think both of us.
Tim:Chad and I both are.
Doc Roc:But a lot of what I do is elective stuff. Like you know, carpal tunnel syndrome you hear a ton about a bunch of that syndrome. You hear a ton about I do a bunch of that uh, various tendonitis and tennis, elbow and trigger fingers, arthritis, reconstructions, tumor work.
Tim:You know sports injuries so does I mean those, some of those routine surgeries? I don't know. I for me I would. I would think that like, eventually it's just like another carpal tunnel that I've got to do and you're just the same kind of thing over and over again and eventually, just like I don't want to do another one of those for the rest of my life. Have you reached that point, or is it still really really enjoyable every single time that you?
Doc Roc:it's still pretty fun to do sir. I mean I'm gonna tell you when you're able to cut on someone legally and and fix shit yeah.
Tim:It's pretty cool. It doesn't get old, yeah, yeah.
Doc Roc:It's cool, I love that. You know we got to get the scalpel and you're like all right, I'm going through the skin here.
Chad:Have you ever legally cut somebody? I?
Doc Roc:mean yeah.
Tim:How many of you have done that. I do kind of get that because I've gotten to pack some gunshot wounds and stuff like that and and and. That is actually kind of enjoyable it's weird. Yeah, if you're into it, it's weird, like it's not for everybody to have your finger in someone's like wound sitting there just packing stuff in there, but like it's still kind of it's cool I'm okay, yeah, the surgery part is still fun for me, so so I would assume that you have a lot of hand models, right?
Chad:how often do hand models come in and, just like I, need them to be beautiful again and then you have to take care of that Zero.
Doc Roc:It's like.
Javier:Not a single one. Not a cosmetic hand surgeon.
Chad:Make them beautiful again.
Tim:I wonder if that's a market for cosmetic hand model surgeons.
Chad:They started having commercials.
Doc Roc:Well, it's not for hand models, but there is a field of what's called hand rejuvenation and so you have, like particularly older ladies that get the big veins or the age spots and they want something cosmetically done for that. There's some things that you can do, but you can't make them look now, I was totally joking.
Tim:I didn't know there was anything near but if chad, if I wanted chad to be hand twin, could we make that happen? That's the question, because you never know when you need a hand twin.
Chad:What's the dumbest question you've ever been asked about your hand twin? You guys are approaching it.
Doc Roc:I suppose, theoretically I could switch your guys' right hands, so he would have your right hand and you'd have his.
Chad:We'd have a face-off like a face off situation.
Doc Roc:It wouldn't work that. It probably wouldn't work that great, but at least you'd be together all the time that's all right, let's get back to that.
Tim:Took a completely digressed here. All right, so where'd you go to med school at? Um wake forest university in north carolina okay, and in your time in med school because I know I've had several friends who've gone through there and it's literally for four years of that time. They're just dead to the world. Was that for you as well, or did you have other stuff that you were able to?
Doc Roc:We partied a little bit in med school, so I mean, it's much more work than college.
Tim:Yeah, yeah.
Doc Roc:I mean you know it's a full-time thing but you still manage to have a life. Yeah, it's four years of medical school. The first two years are mostly classroom at least when I was going through and then the second couple of years is you're rotating through all the different specialties in the hospital and stuff, and then after that you pick your specialty In my case it was surgery and so you do a five-year surgery residency and then you do another extra year just specializing in just hands, and so it's a 10-year journey after college to do what I do and then finally you're there.
Tim:But I did see that it seemed like you did have a little bit of time on your hands because you had a band called peeling each shrimp yeah, so um, um, I mean, I've been doing music for a long time and and my brother ken, who also now lives here in fort worth, uh, he and I have always played together and stuff, you know, cover bands.
Doc Roc:But we'd still write stupid songs back in the day. And during the first couple of years of medical school I had a band and we call ourselves Peel and Eat Shrimp and the reason was because there was this big, major intersection in North Carolina, in Greensboro, which is the town I actually grew up in, and it was some seafood place and on their big marquee on the corner of one of the busiest intersections in town, it said Tonight peel and eat shrimp. And so we're going to name our band that. So everybody thinks we're playing there all the time.
Chad:Clever.
Doc Roc:Clever.
Tim:That's free advertisement there. Yeah, except they're not playing there.
Doc Roc:We played a couple of gigs for the medical school picnic and then a couple of gigs with the local bars. One bar was pretty famous back in the day but yeah, that was probably the first time, one of my earliest bands. We had another band when I was more in high school, early college. We were called the Dipshits all with the blessings of our parents for some reason, and that was our true first band, and we used to play other kids' houses for pizza parties and jokes like that.
Chad:So you've always been doing music pretty much then.
Doc Roc:Yeah, whole life. I wish I could have done it full time because we were writing music and stuff, but it takes a lot of work to become a doctor, apparently.
Javier:So you bring up pizza parties. I do want to talk about Ninja Turtles. I do want to talk about your brother Ken, and how he was in the movie the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2, specifically right.
Doc Roc:Well, he was the stunt double for Raphael in the first one, yes, and I don't want to steal his thunder because ultimately you guys should probably have him on the show, and he's got an autobiography that's out there now called, uh, I think, teenage ninja to mutant turtle if I'm saying it correctly, where he tells the whole story of how he became.
Doc Roc:You know, for uh wanted to be an action hero, did martial arts and worked his way onto the Ninja Turtle, set first as an extra and then became the actual turtle. But yes, those movies were filmed. A lot of them were parts that were filmed in North Carolina, which is how he was able to kind of get there locally. And so he was the stunt double for Raphael, for the first one, he was the actual actor. Turtle for Secret of the Ooze, which was the second one.
Doc Roc:And so that's how he got into the martial arts movie thing.
Tim:So musician brother's a musician, you're a musician, you're a doctor. Is your brother a doctor?
Doc Roc:No.
Tim:Okay, so are you the only? He's a turtle. He just said he was an actor. Okay, just Okay.
Doc Roc:Actor but also did production and director. He was living in LA for a while and he just moved to Fort Well, I shouldn't say just, I guess he's been here seven-ish years now.
Tim:Now are you the only yes, okay, so that's a big you know, that's a kind of a big big jump. You see, people with, like you know, come from a long lineage of doctors and stuff like that or whatever, what got you to go that route versus, I mean, your brother went acting, you went doctor.
Doc Roc:So what led you down your path? I was always a kind of science math guy, so biology intrigued me. And then my mom said you should be a doctor and I'm like, okay, um, but yeah, uh, the way the human body works always intrigued me, and the thought of being able to do that, you know, and plus, everyone's like, oh, be a doctor, you know that's a cool thing to do. Yeah and uh, you know. First of all, well, can I be a doctor? Do I have the ability to be a doctor? Uh, ultimately, the answer was yeah, I guess so here we are so it all kind of worked out um.
Doc Roc:But yes, anatomy and physiology and the science of the human body has always intrigued me.
Chad:Where, along that way, did you choose your specific like with hands and surgery?
Doc Roc:So I didn't know I wanted to be a surgeon until I actually got to medical school and we were going through those rotations. Because when I first went to medical school I thought I wanted to be a radiologist because I thought x-rays were cool, or a cardiologist because hearts, you know, were important yeah and then when I actually experienced it, I didn't really gel with the cardiology people, uh, and x-rays radiologists they do a great job but they don't really fix anything.
Doc Roc:They just kind of sit in their rooms and read x-rays. And I wanted to do more than that and so when I rotated on the surgery uh, the surgery rotations, and they were actually like cutting on people and fixing I'm like I found my people this is it yeah and so hands you know again, very important, very intricate, very challenging, and so um, that's where, that's where my calling was very cool awesome.
Tim:Awesome. So surgery I get that. But whenever you started seeing the intricacies of hands, did you go through a surgical rotation where they were actually working on somebody's hand and it was kind of that aha moment? Or did you start going through different body parts? What's going to be the most intriguing to me?
Doc Roc:What's going to be the most intriguing to me? Yeah, once I got to surgery then I gravitated a little more toward orthopedic surgery and then when I worked with the hand surgeons, that was like wow, that's some kind of cool stuff that they're doing, and I have all the respect in the world for the other surgeons, but when you take a person who doesn't have their hands working right and you make them work right and they get back to work and they get back to playing with their kids or playing sports, that's super rewarding and you just it's just very good, I can only imagine yeah, for sure.
Chad:You don't realize how much you do, obviously. Well it's how you interact with the world. Yeah, completely.
Tim:Yeah, a friend of mine at work just lost the tip of his finger on a in a tragic saw accident. Um, not while he was at work. He was doing a side thing. But he said, and it's his left hand, he's like. I didn't realize how much I actually use my left, you know non-dominant hand, and specifically his pointer finger on his left hand, until he had it all mangled and everything else.
Doc Roc:So I hear that all the time. They're like I'm strictly right-handed, but you take away their left hand. They yeah, they notice it and they're glad to have it back oh, I'm sure.
Javier:So moving from from doc to rock from doc to rock.
Tim:So you, you had I mean, you were always doctor rock or doc rock at some point right, having those bands and whatnot, having a band in med school. But you dropped Peel and Eat Shrimp and then you finished up med school and everything else. How did you get to doc rock and the traumatics now?
Doc Roc:So I mean, I've always done music, I've always had a little you know home thing where I'm doing little demos and stuff. But really right before covid um, I decided I was going to get more serious with my songwriting, um, and so I joined some of the local, you know, the fort worth songwriters association, the d Dallas Songwriters.
Chad:Association Were you already in.
Doc Roc:Texas. How long have you been in Texas? I've been in Texas since 2000. Okay, gotcha, and so I got more serious about, you know, writing songs. And then, after I started writing more songs, I'm like, hey, I want to get a band together and let's see where this goes.
Doc Roc:Yeah, and so, you know, I had a drummer that I knew that did drum parts on my demo stuff, and then actually a buddy of my brother's that he knew professionally played bass that we had done jams you know just weekend jams with, and he got on board and you know we learned the songs, went to the studio, recorded you know a dozen of them or so, and then started playing the Fort Worth music scene and that was, of course, covid hit, and so our first show wasn't really until 2001 or 2021. Excuse me. And then, as soon as we did that, the drummer was like all right, this is fun, but he was an airline pilot who was getting ready to retire and he wanted to use his, you know, airline uh things to go see the world and then not necessarily, you know, be around here in my stupid band.
Doc Roc:No, he was, he had a good time, but I had to find a replacement drummer, and so it ended up being the husband of an or nurse that I knew. Okay, and so that's the drummer that we have now, and then, ultimately, the bass player went back to do a band with my brother and a family practice doctor that I know plays bass, and now he's the bass player. So two of us are doctors in the band and the other one's the husband of an OR nurse. So we all have some connection to the medical thing. And, as this is going on, I'm still writing new songs. I was actually the Dallas Songwriters Association 2021 Songwriter of the Year, which was cool. We wrote more stuff, got into the studio, released more stuff, played a bunch of gigs, and it is what it is now. That's crazy.
Chad:That's awesome.
Javier:And then you got your songs on like K-Non KTCU.
Doc Roc:Bunch of them.
Javier:Bunch of radio stations.
Doc Roc:Yeah, we just released a new song a couple of weeks ago and 88.1 Indie already played it. There are a couple of internet stations that have played it. Rarity Rock Radio has been playing it regularly this month, but just in the past. This is going to sound like I'm bragging, but I'm not what I'm telling you. The reason I'm about to tell you this is to tell everyone else the possibilities of what Fort Worth music can do, and so you've got that CD up there. That's our first album. There are 10 songs on that CD.
Doc Roc:All 10 have been played on the radio at some point whether it was KXT, knon and most of them multiple stations, ktcu we have a bunch of songs in rotation on KTCU. They're really good to us. Kuzu in Denton plays our stuff. 881 Indie they're all talked now but 97 the freak oh, yeah, yeah, used to have a local thing on sunday yeah, yeah, adventure, was it the?
Tim:adventure. No, no, that was one or two one, but they had the local show.
Doc Roc:Yeah, yeah yeah, a local show like yeah, loud and local or something like that, and debbie sexton was the dj for it and uh, and she loved our stuff and would play it. You know several of the songs on 97.1. 91.7 is KXT, so we've had several songs on there too. So we've enjoyed a lot of local radio play on there, and so I guess my message is to all other you know Fort Worth artists that are getting started, make good music and good things can happen.
Javier:You can get on the radio, which is pretty cool. You had jam sessions. Whenever you started playing back up, when did it click? When was it that moment where it clicked?
Doc Roc:You're like, hey, we need to start getting serious start writing songs and getting to that point, um, that was more of a personal decision, not so much in association with the jam sessions, but having done the jam sessions, I had access to these other musicians, uh, that were on board with trying that. It's like, hey, let's take this out of our living rooms and see what happens, let's see what steve's music can do, because they weren't writers, they weren't writing anything and I had gotten some recognition again through some of the songwriters associations. It's like, well, this might work, let's see what happens.
Chad:Yeah.
Tim:So were you taught music whenever you were, uh, younger and, like you know, middle school, high school, or did this? Is this something that you just kind of picked up and started learning on your own?
Doc Roc:so music in general. My dad was very musical. Um, uh, he's not with us anymore, but he played a bunch of different instruments and um. So it started when I was young, you know tooting on a harmonica in elementary school. Ultimately, I took up clarinet, like in fifth and sixth grade. Yeah, if I could do it over again, I'd probably get a saxophone.
Tim:I mean, they got some cool jazz clarinets I've heard you know and stuff like that.
Doc Roc:So it's not a bad instrument, it's not a bad instrument, but ultimately I got tired of that. I had a couple of years of piano lessons. I mean, I can't sight read music, but I can look at a music staff and say oh, that's a C, that's a quarter note, yeah.
Doc Roc:And then I just my dad started taking Spanish finger style guitar lessons. So there was an acoustic guitar around the house and I taught myself chords. Back in those days we had books and you could get a book to learn the chords and I learned very easy like 1970s pop songs just strumming the chords. And then, once I learned a few chords, I started just playing the chords and making up my own songs Again, horrible but it was a start.
Doc Roc:You got to start somewhere. And then, yeah, I was just going on and I never really had a guitar lesson, I just sort of self-taught, my, you know from books, and then later on youtube and stuff, and uh, then I started, uh, you know, within the last few years I started teaching myself mandolin and ukulele. Uh, just to add to the yeah, flavor and stuff, um, but always guitar is my go-to instrument and, um, I was never a great singer, but I knew my range as long as I stayed within those three or four notes.
Chad:I was good.
Doc Roc:Or if I didn't do a melody, I could at least scream it. Yeah, yeah, it was okay, but yeah, what I realized is that history is wrought with mediocre musicians making magnificent rock and roll, and I aspire to join their ranks.
Tim:That's 100% accurate.
Javier:So, you talked about harmonica. Do you play harmonica?
Doc Roc:I do a little bit. Yeah, there's a couple songs. Yeah, that's me playing harmonica. I was going to ask you.
Javier:I was going to ask who played that. Did you play that?
Doc Roc:Yeah, I play the harmonica parts on those songs.
Tim:And are you coming?
Doc Roc:up with all the lyrics or do you um? Do you collaborate?
Tim:some with your other. No, it's all me, that's all you. The songs are 100 me, all right. So then I've got. I've got a couple questions then all right because, as we as I dug into that album, I'm sitting here listening. I'm like man. There's one that talks specifically about basically putting your phone down yes getting off of social media.
Tim:You're not gonna find me here, I'm not. You're not gonna get to know me on this, right. So we grew up in this time period where we were born in the 80s, grew up in the 90s we were at that cusp of social media. Really wasn't a thing. And then it started to be a thing, right, myspace being one of the earliest.
Tim:Zynga, Zynga stuff like that, like actual blogs, whatnot. Now I say all that so we've seen kind of both ends right. But in what we do now we found that social media is the only way that we are going to get ourselves out there, and so it's kind of a necessary evil. So how do you navigate that? Because I feel like those words came from the heart that you're saying, but you still have to kind of pander to the evils of social media, it seems to the evils of social media, it seems.
Doc Roc:Again, it's another thing of like all right, the way the world should be isn't the way the world is, and you've got to deal with the way the world is.
Doc Roc:Otherwise you're going to drive yourself crazy and the way the world is is. You're absolutely right. Social media is here. It ain't going anywhere. It's how you have to reach out to the world. Now. What the song is coming from is more of when you're sitting there at dinner with people or you're at a concert and you're witness, you know you're trying to enjoy a show. To put your phone down, don't sit there trying to film it or take selfies or whatever you know. Engage with the people that are in front of you, and that not everything has to be you don't.
Doc Roc:Your interface with life doesn't have to be 100 the phone yeah, it's interesting and that's what the song is really trying to, to say it's not like social media is bad right or cell phones are bad. I mean they're, they're awesome.
Tim:There's a necessity. There's a necessity for you know certain things, right yeah?
Doc Roc:yeah, but at some point you gotta not interact with everything on the phone that your, your virtual friends, aren't real friends, and that you gotta embrace. You know you got eyes and ears. Try to use them and, uh, you know, for what's around you. That's kind of the message of this, because there are people that overdo it. Yeah, and we all know people like that.
Tim:Chad and I recently went to I mean two separate concerts, but same guy, um. So he went to tool and I saw Perfect Circle just recently, and Maynard, the front man for both those bands, has this anti-recording.
Javier:No phones policy.
Tim:Yeah, don't bring your phones out. I don't want to see your screens, I don't want to see that all lit up Like kind of be here in the moment and I see it on both, both sides of things where people are like I can't believe you're telling me what to do. But also there's something nice about and I started doing this more at the more concerts I go to instead of bringing my phone out to record that small snippet that I'm not going to do anything with I'm literally not going to.
Tim:I'm not going to go back and watch it and relive that thing right. So why am I doing this and actually just leave my phone in my pocket and just being there in the moment? And I can tell you with 100%, it's more enjoyable.
Chad:I have been trying to be a lot more intentional this past year, like anytime I'm at dinner or with drinks or someone. When I'm with other people, I try to just I'll put my phone face down on the table, and not because I you know, I just don't want it to be a distraction.
Tim:Yeah.
Chad:I don't want it to vibrate in my pocket, I don't want it to light up and everyone look at it. I want to put it face down so no one knows what's going on and I can have an interaction with the people I'm with, because I completely agree, like what's the point of going out and hanging out with people, or going to dinner with family or friends or whatever, and then someone's just on their phone or you know, just not in the moment, exactly?
Doc Roc:and that's where that song comes from. You know I you know I have to keep my phone with me because, again, I'm a doctor and there's answering service and sometimes emergencies happen that I have to respond to take care of themselves. It's fine, yeah, but so I have to kind of be available. But at same time I need to just kind of keep that thing down and I get accused of it too, where I'll be on my phone at dinner and my wife kicks me or something.
Tim:Doom scrolling it's real easy to get into that.
Chad:That's different when you're a doctor and you've got emergencies. I think, right, like that is completely different, right. But I mean I think that the normal like how many notifications blink for us generally, you know, I mean like shit we don't even look at. Like home depot app says there might be a deal going on. It's like why am I looking at this? I'm just gonna swipe it away anyway. So I don't know yeah, it's um.
Tim:I saw this concept I. I wish I remember where it was at, but it was a. It was a bar in the. The way the glasses were was they were cut on one side shorter. You had to put your phone, basically like your phone would go on the table in order to set your drink down. You had to set your drink halfway on the phone or it would jump over.
Tim:So it literally makes people I mean, if you're going out for drinks or whatever, the purpose of going out to drinks is to have fellowship with the people around you right, and enjoy each other's company, not be glued to your cell phone. It's such a bizarre concept because, again, we grew up in that time period where we had that transitional period of we're going from no technology to, all of a sudden, all sorts of technology.
Chad:Bro, we had Snake and our Nokias, yeah, so I don't know what you're talking about.
Tim:I recently saw an article where this person has come up with they're calling the social media platform NoSpace. So it's a playoff of MySpace, in a sense of they were wanting to give was it. Are we in Gen Z now? Is that what this generation is? I've lost track.
Tim:Yeah, so whatever so they're wanting to give Gen Z, I guess, what millennials had, which was MySpace and how it's basically set up, where you get to see some of your things with your friends. There's no algorithm set up to push certain agendas or push certain topics towards you, or?
Chad:ads or anything like that.
Tim:It's just you and your friends, it's just you and your friends.
Tim:And your bands that you like, yeah, and they're going to have a For you page where it can be more of like other people that you can connect with. But you can put your top eight friends and all that stuff you could post to people's walls, things like that. And it's supposed to dumb down that social media aspect and actually kind of give you a space to interact with your friends more than what you would through, like instagram, looking at the best features of them or whatever.
Doc Roc:Yeah well, what's going to happen is they're going to realize, everyone's going to realize they actually don't have as many friends as they thought because you know, they have. You know I've got 10 000 friends that all you know think I'm very important and they think that yeah, and. And so it's going to be a rude awakening. If that is the other thing is, it may start out ad-free. It usually doesn't.
Chad:You end up getting your information sold, or you get sold something on ads.
Doc Roc:Even now the streaming like Hulu and stuff which wasn't supposed to have ads, they're all having commercials now.
Chad:Amazon Prime.
Tim:We pay for it, and youtube, uh, started off as a free platform and then got ads in there. What I, what I, what I think is, um, you know the the downfall of all that is that we've got this almost like. Everybody puts their best and we talked about this before everybody puts their best foot forward on their social media, right? And so whenever I look at somebody's Instagram or I'm looking through their pictures or whatever, and I immediately think, wow, this person's got it together and I don't. They're doing all this cool stuff and I'm not, and we're only seeing a small snippet, right, we're not seeing the full picture, heavily filtered Exactly, yeah, 100%.
Doc Roc:We're not seeing the full picture Heavily filtered.
Tim:Exactly yeah 100% and getting away from that it's difficult to do. I know you consciously have stepped away a lot from social media other than our main page.
Chad:Even ours. I don't do as good as I'd like to I should.
Tim:And I've stepped away too. Actually, I kind of got forced. I can't access my Instagram on my phone for whatever reason, but I've kind of got forced. Um, I can't access my instagram on my phone for whatever reason, but, um, I've kind of stepped away from from that as well. I'm still caught up in that doom scrolling of tiktok, which is a whole nother thing.
Javier:Short form media has now destroyed long form media, and it's kind of sad well, I mean, I learned how to change my garbage disposal on tiktok, because they're like a 30 second tutorial and I'm like 30 seconds and then I do it. I'm like, oh, 30-second tutorial and I'm like 30 seconds, and then I do it and I'm like this took me 30 minutes but it was like, okay, well, I can do it myself.
Tim:But now I have a hard time watching some of the YouTube people that I follow, some of those creatives. I have a hard time watching them for any length of time. I'm like, okay, just hurry up and get to the point, Because I've now had that little light switch hit, I've been given that little bit of social media crack and I just want that like give me the meats and potatoes as fast as you can give it to me, so I can move on to the next thing.
Chad:All right, Tim could talk about social media and how bad things are forever, but let's go back to the music, shall we?
Javier:Yeah, I have a question. So like the tracks you write, is it based off of? Like experience? Is so like the, the tracks you write, is it based off of like experience?
Doc Roc:is it based off of your life? Uh, a lot of it is loosely based off experiences, but a lot of it is fictionalized as well so my heart only cries for you.
Javier:Is that is that?
Tim:that, that one. For me, that's a hard one for me.
Javier:That was the one that you know I was like you're gonna love our next set of stuff.
Doc Roc:There's some heartbreak and I was just like there's a lot of bad relationship stuff in there and I'll be honest with you, I haven't had that many relationships but I I've fictionalized a lot of those scenarios and um and created lyrics to kind of match them right and so it starts off being about something in particular, but then I'll expand it.
Doc Roc:I'll expand the story to make it much more interesting than anything I've ever personally experienced in a relationship, but that still kind of hits home and hopefully has some truth to it, that other people could hear some of their stories in it, and that's kind of the. What I'm learning about songwriting is that you start with something you know, but then you can expand on that and fictionalize it a little bit and have multiple influences you know incorporated into one final idea.
Doc Roc:That's art, I mean that, yeah, that ultimately tells some truth, yeah, that that you can then throw out there, that, uh, you know, people will or will not relate to yeah and uh, and that's kind of the process and you know I I continue to exercise that to this day, hoping that the next set of songs that now come out will be, you know, as engaging I want to.
Javier:I want to just take a minute real quick, not even a minute like the. The lyrics that got me on on that track was I see your face and I turn away. It's hard to look in your eyes and if I did, I wouldn't know what to say. I'd just stand there hypnotized. That for me, was I was like man that's real, that hit. I was like god that not now, obviously, but I mean it just.
Chad:It takes you back and that's what I love about music, just music.
Javier:It's a little time machine for you and from everyone you know, just took me back to a spot where I was in that, in that situation, and it's tracks four, five and six blood on my knees.
Tim:My heart only cries for you and you hurt me. First, the. I've been going in that order. You're just like oh my gosh, who hurt this man? Yeah, right those were, those were not. I mean, I'm saying they're rough songs, but you actually start diving into the lyrics.
Doc Roc:You're just like oh my gosh, and there's literally years or decades in between the writings of those songs, and maybe some of them came from the same sort of thing. But um, you know, yeah, I've had a relationship where I was abandoned and it was like hey, what the fuck?
Doc Roc:you know, something good going on, um, and and blood on my knees is very, you know, when we play it live, I'm like here's a cheery little song about abandonment and despair, yeah, um, and you know, and here's a song about a bad relationship, and then we'll play the next song. It's like, and this song is about a bad relationship, and you know, and we'll play it, and um, you know, there I actually have some good relationship songs.
Tim:I'm trying to figure out the right project to release them on um, I mean you listen to a lot of uh music, right, and a lot of it is heartbreak and sad, and just I mean because that's where some of the most primal uh feelings come from and you get those primal happy feelings, but it but nothing hits as hard as I can relate, man, you, you got your heart broken. I had my heart broken too.
Tim:I can really relate to that right. My favorite line out of all the songs, though, was from the first one, from the first song and I'm a rocket in flight, watch me burn. And then I see that you got watch me burn on the side there. That's just a. It paints a really nice picture. I can see that I can see myself like on the side there. That's just a. It paints a really nice picture. I can see that I can see myself like look at me, right.
Doc Roc:Yeah, I'll take you a little deeper than that. So rocket and flight is not about a bad relationship. It's a metaphor for aspiring to do great things despite being surrounded by naysayers.
Tim:Right, and that's kind of what I got from it. It's like watch me burn.
Doc Roc:I'm burning, I'm hot stuff. Now if you listen to Blood on my Knees. It also uses the line watch me burn. It says I don't care if you tell me I'm not the one you want forever. I don't care if you watch me burn down to the ground. So it says, watch me, that's a different burn. Right, so that's burning. Different burn yeah, right, so that's your. That's burning. Destruction, despair, an opposite meaning. And if you look at the album cover, it's almost like a yin yang, where that there's burning bright on the top and then there's like the burning of hell underneath, so there's this whole kind of inner struggle the whole artistic uh presentation of that is the two different meanings of watch me burn and in a way, that's kind of how I approached this band project.
Doc Roc:I'm like watch me burn. It's either going to be we're going to do great things and watch me burn like fireworks burner, we're going to crash and burn and it's going to be ugly. Either way, you're going to watch us burn, and so that that was the. That was the whole concept between making that album and the artwork that Conor Dardis at Thurston Company did a magnificent job following the artistic direction for.
Chad:So that's the first album right for the Traumatics.
Doc Roc:Yes.
Chad:And so that one came out two years ago.
Doc Roc:The whole album came out July of last year.
Chad:Last year, okay, so last year. And then you've got another one you're working on that you mentioned a little bit earlier, right? What can you tell us about that one? So?
Doc Roc:the working title on that is Keep On Flowing, and it's going to be more of a watery theme. But the theme of the album and we're working on it with a bunch of studios to get this thing together the theme of the album basically is the world's a shithole okay, for various reasons, depending on what you're talking about and at some point you need to find a way to exist, and so you're a metaphorical river flowing through the shithole and staying true to your current or your stream, despite a bunch of trash being thrown in it, and so a lot of the songs are about crappy ways the world is and whether you can deal with them or not, and so, again, one of the songs that hasn't been released yet is called I Am A River, and in that song there's the lyric I am a river, I just keep keep flowing my waters are churning.
Doc Roc:Yeah, we just keep going and ultimately we'll release that song and that'll be one of the key elements of the of the second album it's a metaphor for water.
Javier:Is it because it's like shapeless waters, like it could put in a cup and it'll be in the shape of a cup, or if you put in a bowl, it'll be like that?
Doc Roc:it was it kind of like kind of although this was more like water can be pure and clean and good and then you can throw a bunch of crap in it, but either, but either way, if you're a river or stream, you got to kind of stay your course and um and just keep on flowing through life. You know so and you got. You got to be malleable. You got to be able to take the shape of the things around you in order to be able to coexist with them.
Javier:So that's so. Your influence is musically like um, you've been playing instruments for hell as long as you can remember, so what? What influenced you to play like your style, like, how did you what? What, uh, influences, did you, you know?
Doc Roc:so I'm also a product of. You know, the music that I, uh, and I grew up listening to all sorts of classic rock and stuff through it, you know, and pop throughout my year. My you know again dad was a musical. He had a huge record collection. He exposed me to a lot of that stuff. But then as I got into adulthood, college, medical school, I was more listening to the early 80s, 90s, college, alternative type things and that's probably the biggest influence as far as my style goes. So again, it's kind of pop, rock, brit pop there's a lot of names for it. I think there are way too many sub genres out there that it's hard to really nail down what we do. Certainly you've heard some of them sound more classic, some of them sound a little psychedelic, some of them are a little rockabilly, but the core of it all is probably more like, yeah, radio-friendly, college, alternative kind of music.
Javier:Kind of felt like I was listening to a fastball for a bit.
Doc Roc:Yeah, fastball, smithereens, rem the Squeeze.
Tim:That's what I was going to ask you to do is go back and give me some of those examples.
Doc Roc:Yeah, so a lot of that kind of stuff. You know that genre, the Bodine's, the who else do I listen a lot to. You know, certainly some of the grunge stuff, although it's not as grungy. I think this new stuff that's going to come out might sound a little bit grungier, yeah, and the subject matter is a little bit darker than even some of this stuff. But we'll see, we'll see. When is that coming out? I don't know when the album will be out yet.
Doc Roc:We just released two of the songs Right. One was Cigarette Love, which goes out to all the tough girls out there and the nerdy, nice guys that fall in love with them. Uh, we just released a couple of weeks ago, why this world? Which is basically about how? Um, again, everyone wants to change the world to make it better, but there are way too many people that don't care that. I don't know that we're going to be so you know, yeah, might have to learn and have to deal with it the way it is.
Doc Roc:Um, and on both those songs and the one we're going to release on may 11th along with our show at harvest house in denton, um is called all these forces, and that was written during the pandemic, where it was like it's again, it's not about the pandemic, but was influenced by it where it seems like all the forces of the universe are aligned against you, but you still got to figure out a way to get through it, yeah, and and do things for the right reasons, um, and that's called all these forces that'll come out, and what's funny is that, um, those songs, those three songs particularly, were recorded when we were in transition with our bass player, and I recorded those at Todd Pipe's studio. I mentioned he's a lead singer for Deep Blue, something that did Breakfast at Tiffany's, but he's been doing recording for decades. He worked with me and the drummer for those three songs. He's actually playing bass on it and singing backup.
Tim:Oh, that's really cool.
Doc Roc:So I got the Breakfast at Tiffany's guy singing bass on it and singing backup. Oh, that's really cool. So I got todd. I got the breakfast at tiffany's guy singing backup on those three songs and what?
Tim:and playing bass. What a talented musician too he is. Uh seen. I've seen him live quite some years ago, back uh at the ridgely um, whenever the ridgely was still doing a lot of a lot of shows, and then I saw him maybe a couple, uh two, two years ago I think, maybe last year, and the man hasn't. Number one, I don't think he's aged. He looks almost the same as whenever I remember seeing him. And, number two, his voice still sounds. It sounds as good as it does on the album, as it does live, which you don't see that very often.
Doc Roc:Yeah, I mean, I've seen him do his thing yeah, he's yeah he looks young for his age, still and um, and he is a very talented musician and you got him on your next album and he's going to be on. All right, you know these three songs that were, but yes, he's going to be on the next album that's.
Tim:That's really cool. It's like a local legend so what?
Chad:what other dates? You mentioned May 11th, right. What other dates can people do? You have anything coming up?
Doc Roc:So May 11th is the next thing. Then I'm doing a solo acoustic thing at Wildflower Festival on Saturday. Whatever that is, I think that's May 18th Is that the one in Richardson?
Tim:Yeah, yeah.
Doc Roc:With the Dallas Songwriters Association, and then the following week our band is playing McFly's with Andrew Turner's Fort Worth Roots. Hell yeah, summer live music festival series, right, and so we're doing that with them on the 25th and then I think my drummer's having shoulder surgery, so we're gonna be down for a while. So if there are any substitute drummers out there that don't want to get paid, give me a call because we may.
Doc Roc:We may set up some shows, you know, during the ensuing couple of months until he gets back. But, um, I'm hoping he'll be back by sept or October because I'm trying to get us a spot at the Denton Music and Art Jazz Festival.
Chad:Oh yeah.
Doc Roc:And then, who knows, if Arts Goggle will come around and let us play for them. We'll see.
Tim:There's a lot of competition.
Doc Roc:I know you just got to keep at them with them, I mean the problem is there's so much talented Fort Worth music that it's very competitive to get a slot. And some of these guys have been around for years and years and years and have solid reputations and we're still kind of I'll admit we're kind of late to this party because we've only been around for a couple of years compared to these other experienced people. But yeah, I'd love to play Arts Goggle and certainly hopefully one of these other art festivals here in the late spring, early fall or late summer, early fall, yeah.
Tim:So I've got a question. Do we want to do a couple of questions from the Jarks I pulled some or do we want to run him through the Funky Five?
Chad:I want to ask something completely separate than both of those things. I want to ask something completely separate than both of those things. I want to go back and put you know we took the doctor hat off, put the rock hat on. I want to get back on the doctor hat and see if you have any crazy stories. Can you tell us stories Like are there any stories you could tell us that won't affect the hippos?
Doc Roc:Yeah, there's the whole hippo confidentiality thing. I can tell stories people that weren't technically my patients.
Doc Roc:Okay yeah, and so one cool thing. That isn't necessarily an exciting, funny story, but I was in my career. I was one of the American Society for Surgery of the Hand, the big national organization for hand surgeons, and I was among the short list of people that were allowed to engage the media about hand stuff. So if a newspaper had a story about a hand thing and they wanted a hand expert, a lot of times they would call me, and so I've been quoted as a medical expert in the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, among other national publications.
Chad:So that's, pretty cool.
Doc Roc:I don't know a lot of people that have been quoted in both.
Chad:Right, yeah, that's awesome.
Doc Roc:So that's neat. You know, if people remember Dirk Nowitzki and the Dallas Mavericks, they won the national championship in 2011. And during that series Dirk injured his finger and all of the ESPN and Sports Illustrated they kind of got it wrong as how they reported it and what his actual injury was. And through some people that I know, I was able to get dirk to let me um interview him like a year or so later and get the real story as a public education piece for the american society for surgery of the hand oh, wow so, um, we went into the d Dallas Mavericks practice thing.
Doc Roc:Dirk came down and I got to interview him about his finger injury, which is a video on YouTube. So if you go look on YouTube and search Dirk Nowitzki jam finger, you can see that video and then some of the other promo stuff that he did for us. And my brother, the Ninja Turtle, came in because he does production work as well. He produced that whole thing Wow.
Chad:So he edited it.
Doc Roc:He filmed it and edited it and that sort of thing. So we got to spend some time with Dirk Nowitzki talking about his jam finger, which is actually a mallet finger. He busted the extensor tendon on his middle finger and it still lags a little bit. It's funny when he says it, he goes still lags a little bit. It's funny when he says it, he goes still lags a little bit.
Tim:Is that a common injury amongst basketball players?
Doc Roc:It's a common injury everywhere, just in general, everyone that jams your finger or something. I see that a ton, but it's funny because my name, traum, is originally like an Austrian-German thing. He's one of the few people, besides Javier, that got it right the first time, you know. People say, because my name is steve, traum. But a lot of people say trauma true yeah but as soon as I introduced myself um, he's like oh, it's wrong he got it right away very cool and then there was another time.
Doc Roc:Yes, do you have any questions about dirt?
Javier:actually, uh, is he taller than you know? Is he like get to look up and like, holy crap, like you're really tall?
Doc Roc:dude, you got to watch the video where we did the promo where I'm going. Uh, hey, make sure you look up hand society for injuries, about your hand right, dirk, and he's standing right next to me in the camera and my head comes up to about here. I mean yes short answer he's tall. Loud Short answer he's tall. That's so cool, that is very cool, that's like one of my.
Javier:I've met like basketball players and you know I've seen how tall they are, even like the ones you see on TV that look shorter. They're still tall. They're like over like 6'6" and you're like, oh shit, okay, like Steve Nash, he's pretty tall, but that's still wild. That's a dream person for me to meet, like I would love to meet Dirk, Super nice guy, Super nice guy.
Doc Roc:And the other people that I've met that are bigger than life are pro wrestlers, and so I used to know the guy, the doctor, that traveled with WWE the Raw show yeah, with WWE the Raw show and so during the early this is probably 10, 15 years ago now whenever they came in town I could get backstage passes and go to the show and just kind of hang out. It was mostly hanging out in the medical room.
Tim:Right right.
Doc Roc:But yeah, they had some special seats so I could go out and sit and actually watch the show as well too. But then I had the pass to go on back and stuff and so it was cool to kind of see stuff back there and all the scars that they all really have and how they have to ice up everything afterwards. Two things come to mind. I don't know if you remember they used to have a ring announcer. Her name was Lillian Garcia.
Javier:Yes, I love her. She has a great voice.
Doc Roc:Yes, I got to give her a B-12 shot in her butt. Oh man.
Chad:Oh my.
Doc Roc:She was very cool and professional about it, and I was a professional doctor too. But yeah, she wanted a B-12. It couldn't be in her arm or anything. And then there was a time where um, vince mcmahon himself, um wanted to get, uh, some kind of shot from the actual doctor that was there was gonna give him the shot, but in order to get it in the right place you have to use an ultrasound. And so he called me. He's like hey, you got an ultrasound in your office and I we happen to have a little portable ultrasound, so I brought it with me and he didn't tell me who we were doing at first. He's like oh, some wrestler needs a injection, you know. But then at the end of the you know, I'm waiting around, waiting around, and then, after the show's done, at the end of the night, they clear out the whole back medical area, and then in comes vince mcmahon.
Javier:He's like we're doing this, vince mcmahon, it's like damn now he, he was he big also Because I know back in the day-day he was a bodybuilder and he was huge, was he?
Doc Roc:You know, it's all relative, because when you're sitting there standing next to the big show, everyone's small. You know some of those guys, but yeah, he's still, you know. Jack, pretty ripped for an old dude right yeah he was in great shape, um, and so I got the ultrasound, did his hip and, uh, gave him the shot worked out great um he thanked me probably.
Chad:That's awesome.
Doc Roc:Yeah, we'll never ever remember who I am. Um, but yeah, so yeah, that was the time I got to ultrasound.
Javier:A billionaire's groin that's one way to put it not everybody has that feather no no, they do not.
Chad:Well, anything else that you want to talk about or that we needed to like? Plug social media or anything like?
Javier:your singles out now. Your singles out on the radio yeah, yeah.
Doc Roc:So the latest one is called why this world? That came out, uh, on april 9th. Um, we're doing a show at harvest house in denton on, uh, may 11th. It's only two bucks. Um, I know other stuff is going on, but if you happen to want to come up to denton and see some cool stuff and then we'll be back at mcfly's on the 25th Keep a lookout on our Facebook page, the Traumatics and social media at Traumatics, because we're always posting stuff and announcing things.
Chad:It's T-R-O-U-M-A-T-A-X-E. Right yeah, it is.
Doc Roc:It's T-R-O-U-M. Your autocorrect will change it to A and you might get some cover band in san diego that has nothing to do with us um, so make sure it's tr o u m. Obviously we're on spotify and itunes and apple music and all that, all the typical streaming places, if you like. Physical media, and we got cds. Um, we don't have vinyl yet, but definitely cds, I don't know.
Chad:Yeah, it's expensive. I know lou did it. I was all excited and I still listen to the vinyl. I love vinyl, but I know it's such a whole thing. I mean it's not a cheap thing to do.
Doc Roc:It's not. I mean, and like I said, we're still new to this game, we're still kind of small fish in the bigs. I guess once we get bigger followings and fans and build up our fan base, it'll definitely be worth it, but for right now we're just trying to get out there, get some fans, get people to you know, enjoy some new rock and roll from fort worth and, uh, have a good time hell yeah, brother, awesome.
Javier:Man well, tim's got questions from a jar.
Tim:I mean, do we want to do that real quick?
Javier:I've got one yeah, he looks like he pulled a couple out there.
Doc Roc:So yeah, I know he's like hey I have no idea what's about to happen it fell all right.
Tim:Uh, if you could instantly learn any language, which one would you choose, and why?
Doc Roc:you know, my wife would tell me to learn korean. So that may be up there, but I think from the, from the standpoint of just the world globe, I would probably say mandarin chinese yeah, yeah um it was very hard you know, I know just enough spanish to get me in jail so I probably don't need much more of that uh, well, in for sure, um, and then maybe cut a few deals while I'm in there right, um, but yeah, it'd be something like that okay, well, very cool.
Chad:Well, steve, thank you so much for coming on the show. This has been awesome. Uh, that was that, was it right? We? Got your social media. We got the, the songs that just came out. We've got your shows in may, which will be there May 25th, right, whether Andrew invites us or not, we're going to be there. Yeah, we haven't talked to him.
Javier:We always wait for the invite, but he never sends out the invite. He hates us now. I think, he does hate us, he doesn't, he doesn't love us anymore. He's got that. I already got a Mexican friend, I don't need another. Whoa what.
Tim:I don't believe he's ever said that.
Javier:He told me that and he spit on the ground and he threw a taco in my face. No, but yeah, he's got that music series, that summer music series, happening now until his party at Porngory. So whenever he has that, depending on which date he chooses, because remember last year it was hotter than a witch's tit.
Doc Roc:Yeah, I think he's playing on like September 28th for the big party, but he has a contingency plan for the next week. Yeah, I don't know if my drummer will be back by then, so I may have to talk to him about you know.
Tim:Drum machines. My friend, there you go, just tap on the floor.
Chad:Well, thanks for coming on the show. If you don't already do so, please make sure you go. Follow Traumatics T-R-O-U-M-A-T-I-C-S on all things social media and you have a website and everything You've got it the Traumatics, thetraumaticscom, that'll tell you everything, man. Yeah.
Doc Roc:And some cool pictures and press.
Chad:Nice.
Javier:If you don't already do so sure you follow us at the funky panther on all things social media and the funky panthercom. Uh, stay good everybody. I'm chad, I'm javier and I'm tim, and we are the funky panther rock on baby.
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