Jim Hallinan Coaching Strategies For Success: Lifestyle, Mindset And Core Values

Join me and Jim Hallinan @jimmynutrition for a discussion on coaching, lifestyle, mindset, and core values. We covered a lot in this episode!

We talked about moving away from short-term fitness goals based on the scale, towards long-lasting, meaningful changes in how we live. Focusing on core values. This helps us understand why we want to be healthy and happy in the long run. Then making decisions every day based on those values, we can stay true to what's important to us. Being successful in health means more than just looking different—it's also about feeling good mentally, emotionally, and socially and staying true to what matters most to us.

We also talked about the Real Coaches Summit, some book recommendations, the shift that's happening in the coaching space, and some of our own business shifts. So much value packed into this hour. 

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I have stopped using words like lead or guide or anything like that. And I just want to pull out what is inside of you that we have suppressed over the years for whatever reason, all the self sabotage, all the self doubt. Let's pull these things out, figure out what you're great at, figure out what really makes you happy because it's not going to be your body. No matter what you think, it is not going to be that. You are going to get to a place and you're going to be happy and you're going to be excited. This is Mastering Menopause. By using fitness, nutrition, lifestyle, and mindset, you can master your hormones and get your body back. I'm Cathy Coté with Catalyst Fitness and Nutrition. Let's get into Welcome back to Mastering Menopause. Today I am joined by Jim Hellnand. He is on Instagram as Jimmy Nutrition and because I follow Aram, I was exposed to Jimmy and I love your, I love your content. He's also the host of the Other Side Podcast. So give that a follow, give a listen and I will post all the links. But thank you very much for being here. I appreciate your time. Absolutely. Thank you. I appreciate it. It was great meeting you. Just recently. So, um, such, such a great event to actually meet and go with people that like you see on Instagram, it's like, wow, they're just a really cool person. Actually. I figured everybody there would be anyways, but it was nice to kind of have an actual real conversation and have a little, um, you know, just real. Based, you know, face to the, uh, to the man. It's funny because there's so many people that will maybe, I don't want to say so many, a few is so many to me, uh, come up and say hello and you, and you don't recognize them. And when you come, you're like right away, I'm like exactly who you are. Like right away, I recognized you because there's so many people that either they don't show their face much or this stuff doesn't show up on my feed. I'm not a huge scroller. I can't stand how Instagram like just puts the same things at the top. I wish they would go back to like the chronological order. I'd actually see more people's stuff. Um, but you were one, yeah, like, I recognize you right away, Kat, yeah. I don't know that. Yeah, thanks. No, it's, it's funny too, like you say, like, you put in your face, like, I know you, cause you do put your face on your, on your template. It's like, maybe not a Rob so much, cause it's like, I do see him once in a while, but like, his are just like, that's his thing, right? Yeah. So it's nice that you have your picture, but, um, just follow the stalking you and your stories and stuff since. Yeah, that's where I'll typically do it. And I was doing, I I've, I've laid off the reels lately. I have to start doing those again. And then Rom has been doing more. So people are definitely seeing his face more, but that's one of the things, yeah, when we first met. We had the similar style of posting, just like these quote block type things. Mm-Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I listened, I listened to your episode too with Cody, um Okay. Where he had you, um, put your face on your Yeah, yeah, yeah. On your Instagram. So yeah, like, it's funny, these things kind of matter, uh, that you don't think matter, but they actually do. Yeah. So. For the better or for worse, it is what it is, right? You are a high school teacher, PE teacher, and what else do you teach? At Health Phys Ed, I wrote a curriculum in, uh, nutrition and kinesiology. It's an elective for seniors. I think they want to open up to juniors now. Uh, so that's an elective. So I teach that. So I actually get to teach a course versus Phys Ed where I'm just. Doing phys ed babysitting after that was seniors who don't want to do anything. Um, you know, we have a few units. I take them into the weight room. I like doing that. I like seeing the students who are not typically phys ed kids, um, get praised for maybe like their form. Or what they're doing, like, Oh, you're, you're really good at this. You have great form. And there's somebody who maybe never lifted. They just naturally, um, are moving well. So it's cool to be able to celebrate those students there where they don't necessarily get that doing basketball or doing other team sport type stuff. And I like teaching health as part of the year. That's definitely something that I'm passionate about. And I generally have that, I ask them what they think senior health should be about. I'm not going to spend two weeks talking about STDs. Uh, my STD unit is if it's itching, burning. Painful, go to a doctor, we don't need to break them all down, but everyone, yeah, I'd rather talk about other stuff, talk about life, talk about things that maybe they're not really ever, uh, thinking about when they're in the classroom and other classes. So yeah, health phys ed and then that nutrition kinesiology class. Very cool to have that exposure to right now, just teaching the book. I don't, I never use a book application for sure. Yeah. Never use a book. I hate book work. I hate busy work. I hate things that have no purpose whatsoever. So, which may come back later when we talk about some of the coaching things that are changing with me, but. Anyway, that's me with the, with the teaching. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I, I love your content cause it's very, you know, to the point, very straightforward, very helpful tips and just actionable items. And, um, I'm just curious one, how did you get, um, started as a coach? What, what interests you? It actually started with, well, I was a personal trainer back in college and always involved in some way in fitness, went to school for health and phys ed. And when I wrote the curriculum for the nutrition kinesiology class, I am teaching it. I understood and knew that nutrition coaching was a thing, but it was not something seven plus years ago that people, it was not a common phrase. Like what's that? You know, I just knew about nutrition coaching. And. Ways that maybe it can be done. So I'm teaching a class. I'm trying to tell them, Hey, this is something that you're passionate about. You really care about people. Like you can make a career with this. You can make money if you really understand this and I'm teaching them how to write. Nutritional protocols, prescription. I'm giving them avatars and saying, what would you prescribe? Yeah. Quote unquote for them. And they always had to give reasons why, because three people could give three completely different answers. And I want to know what they were thinking and why they were thinking it. Um, so that was always a part of what I was teaching. And as I'm talking about, they can make a career of this because these people signed up for it. It might've been, they thought it was easy. Cause Oh, it's me. It's a gym teacher. It's be an easy elective. And we quickly had to start having some standards. Like The ability to do math and maybe a lab science as a prerequisite, because some of them were struggling with some of the application. And, um, so halfway through the year, I ended up starting Jimmy nutrition coaching and it was, it almost was spawned from, Hey, I want to help people. People ask me these questions all the time. I'm telling these kids. It kind of, it started off with just me doing seminars at gyms. I just started going around the seminars. I'm a teacher. I feel comfortable teaching things. I like teaching things. I like explaining things. I like my analogies and making things in a way that people can understand and the simplicity of it and hopefully get them out of their way of, out of their own way of the way they view things, um, open their eyes to, Oh, that's why that worked in the past. It's not cause it was magic. It's because of this or that. So I just started going to other gyms. Hey, I'm a teacher. I'm a nutrition coach. Didn't even have a client. I'm a nutrition coach. Uh, and I do seminars at gyms. I just like, uh, teach it. And I know as a former personal trainer that people are always asking questions about this and maybe you're not equipped to answer all of them. And I'm just here to help some people. We're like, well, what's your, what's your angle? Like, what do you sell? I go, I've, I have no angle. I just like doing this. Um, I guess my angle, I have no pitch at the end. I have no products. I'm selling, uh, my angle is, I guess if at the end of the day when they leave, if they're like, you know what? I do want some help with this, then they'll think of me. That's pretty much it. And I started getting a lot of gyms that were allowing me to come and, and speak, and then I started getting clients. I mean, my first two quote unquote clients were two friends that I'm like, Hey, I made this spreadsheet. I'm trying to use this to track things. And they both wanted to lose weight. I'm like, how do you guys feel about. Being my guinea pigs and you can have a healthy competition with each other, you know, it just treated them like clients and did that for three months. They both were successful. And I'm like, all right, let's just do this. I'll jump in and learn along the way, which I feel like has always been a gift of mine of not needing to know all the answers. Just starting, which is what we tell clients all the time. You just have to start and learn and figure it out along the way. I mean, I started a driving school 15 years ago. I literally Googled how to start a business in New Jersey and just started one. You know, I had no idea. It's overwhelming when you look at everything, uh, but you just start, you learn along the way. So that's how the coaching got started and it's evolved a little bit since. Right. Got a little better. So what would you say is like your coaching philosophy? It's interesting that you're asking because these are all things now as I'm really going to be changing things that I do that I want to establish and be able to answer that question. Like having it written down and know exactly what my philosophy is and to be, and to have that imprinted in my brain. Uh, but for me, just whenever I hear that kind of a question, it's really me, Understanding empathetically and, and being with people. It is not about macros. It is not about hitting things perfectly. It is not about anything. My goal for people is for them to fall back in love with themselves. And, and now as I'm evolving, some of the things. I, I have stopped using words like lead or guide or anything like that. And I just want to pull out what is inside of you that we have suppressed over the years for whatever reason, all the self sabotage, all the self doubt. Let's pull these things out, figure out what you're great at, figure out what really makes you happy because it's not going to be your body. No matter what you think, it is not going to be that. You are going to get to a place and you're going to be happy and you're going to be excited. And then there's the stress and the pressure of keeping it. Or it's, you were doing it just for the body. And then you think that you're going to go back to your old lifestyle, the way that you were treating yourself and you're going to keep this body. And then you get in that cycle and the depression and all of that. So most of my conversations with clients do not revolve around food. It's about the rest of their life. Lifestyle. Yeah. Yeah. So I would like to have a more concise statement. I'm going to be working on that. Coming up with your mission statement. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds like you did mention core values. So maybe that's where that came up on your story yesterday. Um, you know, core values and And what is your core value? The scale? Like, I don't know that anybody would ever answer that, right. That is their core value, but yeah, it's, it sometimes takes that front and center, um, coach to fitness where it's just like, yeah, you know, it's tough. Yeah. And that's one of the things that I'm, I'm, I'm building out. I'm writing out, I guess you could say curriculum, a program, just a different approach to things. Because when I look at the clients who are lifelong successful and the ones who aren't, the big thing, differentiating factor is that they've let go of that being the focus and that they've really focused on the lifestyle change and making decisions that make them feel good physically, mentally, emotionally, not make the scale go down. Like I know now that these are the types of foods that make me feel this way. And if I'm going to indulge, I know how I'm going to feel and I'm not going to feel bad about it. Um, I'm not making these emotional decisions as much, you know, or they're very rare and I recognize it. Uh, so I think that. Going through the process before ever getting into tracking anything. And this is what I'm trying to develop and work on. If somebody comes to me, Hey, I want to lose weight. Well, the first thing we have to do is this. We have to establish what the core values are, give them the resources for it. Next week, you're going to have the, these three to five core values. And this is what you live your life by. And you're not allowed to complain to me about anything that's outside of your core values. So if you're going to complain to me about the scale, we are not moving on to the next phase where we get more detailed. In a protocol, you're going to complain about the scale. Is that one of your core values? No. Okay. We can talk about all the things that maybe you did, but then when people start to pay attention to that, I lived in line with my core values, whatever your health core value is and create an action statement. So for people who have been never going to reach out to me, I'd never go through a program like this, look up, developing your core values, find out. But when you find those maybe three to five words, create an action statement. So I think a lot of people say, like, what are your, what are your values? Integrity, character, what the hell does that even mean? Like you're just saying words, you know, like, how do you use that, create an action statement? Um, so that would be something I would want people to have. And now if, Hey, the scale's not moving well, where are your decisions this week in line with your core values? And then you can quickly stop complaining about things that are out of your control. Hey, you know what? I showed up and treated myself in a healthy way. Hey, Friday, one of my core values would be to live life that promotes a healthy being, well, that's mental, social, spiritual, physical, and part of that might be, Hey, on a Friday night, I went out with my friends and it was a really great, it was great for my social health. It was great for this and that. Um, so I did make the decisions that were in line with that. Awesome. Focus on that instead of how the scale may respond. Uh, because then if it's just that, then why am I going for these walks? Why am I drinking all this water? And then just fucking quit, just stop drinking water and stop going for walks, you know? Yeah, I was going to give it all up. Yeah, yeah, so that's, that's what I'm working on with, with making changes, uh, because I do, and if you follow me and see the stuff that I post about, it's very rarely about food and exercise. It's, it's all mindset stuff, it's all perspective shifts, um, and I, in terms of what I said earlier about doing things with a purpose. You just, I want to do things that are more in line with my purpose and, um, and really recognize, Hey, what are my gifts and be proud of them and, and then do things in my life that are in line with that. So I want to be able to help people, uh, get to that place. And I feel like I can, uh, for people who are open to doing that. Yeah, I know. Now you're making me think I have to kind of reach, revisit my core values, right? Cause my business has just, just changed. Yeah, and just like what? So going from point A to point B, right point B to point C is going to look a lot different from what I have just done. And so I think I have to align with that. So thank you very much for reminding me of that, because I think that would help me clear up like my vision of the way that's going. Yeah, and I think you're seeing, we're seeing this, in the coaching space. I think that I'm seeing, and it's funny because the more that I talk about it with the people in my, in my circle. The more I start seeing it, the coaches that are out there that are into the yeah, and getting into these things. I mean, like, you saw Jamie Filer speak. Yeah, I was gonna mention that. Yeah. She's a good friend of mine. Yeah. Yeah. She's great. And I'm like, I go, I want to speak, but I don't want to talk about all this stuff that other people are talking about. And when she spoke, I'm like, yes, this is the stuff that needs to be spoken about. And afterwards I'm like, have you read this book? Have you read this book? She's like, no, like all this stuff. I'm like, you have to read these books. You would love them based on what you spoke about. If you could repeat those, cause I didn't write that down that night when you said that. Uh, the book, the, well, the one book I'm trying to think now with the other, well, there's a couple. I got y'all try to remember all the one is untethered soul. Very necessary for me when I read it at that time in my life. If you read it and you're like, I don't get it. It's not. The right time for the person to read it. I think if I were that in my twenties, I'd be like, all right, whatever. This is hokey, but total perspective shift on the way we view ourselves, the way we view our world around us. I love, I love that book. Um, I started reading the book, no bad parts. Uh, Nat, I think, I forget the first name, I think the last name is Schwartz, it's about the internal family systems, it's um, this guy had kind of created, I guess, this concept of internal family systems, where we look at all the different personalities that we have, because we're all very multi personality, multi faceted beings, and we try to suppress parts of us. Instead of recognizing, Hey, these parts of us, we created to protect ourselves, you know, whether it's emotional eating and that stuff. I think Jamie might've talked, she kind of touched on it. Yeah. Like little, little Jamie. And I was like, that's, this is internal family system. She's like, Holy crap. So like, you have to read it. Cause it dives deep into it to thank these parts of yourself. Right. Thank you for protecting me. Uh, but I don't need you to protect me this way anymore. So untethered soul, no bad parts. I feel like there, there was another book that whatever, if it comes to me, I'll say it, I don't want to keep saying, um, So, um, so then what like systems are you setting up? Are you just like, is that like the process then? Yeah, right now I'm just, I'm, I'm outlining everything that I want to do. And as I'm going through it, I am, uh, realizing like this could be something that's either, Hey, This is a group thing, like each week we're going through these things together and we're all able to communicate together as a group, or if somebody's working with me one on one, these would be the exact same steps I'm going through, it's just you and me directly are speaking with it, speaking about it, versus having a group of people, uh, going through it, but, I think once all those things are really lined up, It just makes, if you're going to get into tracking so much easier and the people that don't want to track, like, there's going to be ways that we're going to track your nutrition and your fitness, but we got to figure these things out first, uh, before you think you're going to dive into this super intense five day a week. And you see that probably all the time. You're like, all right, I'm ready. Go, they're all in and then they burn out. Like, I can't, I can't do this. And then they go back to those same self limiting beliefs of, This isn't me, I can't do this. I'm not built for this. I'm too old for this. Yeah, no, it will absolutely make sense. So, I love it. I also, um, just asking the questions too. You know, it's, it's, it's, People like, they're like, just tell me what to do. You know, I was like, I can't tell you what to do because I don't know what you're doing or the habits that we have to change and what's going on with your lifestyle. Like we got to, we have some work to do here first before I can actually tell you what to do. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the whole, I mean, I've done that from day one with things. Uh, I've read, I started reading the book, motivational interviewing. Because everybody talks about reading the book Motivational Interviewing, I start reading it, I'm going, maybe because I'm not 23, I'm 45 years old, maybe it's because I was a teacher and I've always been involved in like some form of teaching or coaching, uh, in some way. It was just natural for me to want to ask questions. I'm reading this book, Motivational Interviewing, I'm like, people don't do this? Like, do you not just not give a shit about the person at all? I mean, just having any sense of care about the person, I would think you would naturally want to ask questions. How'd you feel about that? Like, it was just like such a natural thing for me to do. So now to, uh, you know, that was that post the other day of, of, um, that guy that was reaching out to me about stuff that I told him, you know, this is what I want you to work on through these emotional eating things. And then ask the questions. I'm not going to just be like, that's awesome. And then he's like, okay, because, and I'm genuinely inquisitive. I genuinely care. I want to know the person I want to know what's going on in their head. When it comes up again, then, you know, they have more information. Uh, just like you asked me what my coaching philosophy is, or if I ask somebody what their core values are, somebody asked me, it's like, Oh, that like, you don't really know. But when you're forced to write things down, you're forced to process is that it becomes something that's a little bit more imprinted in your brain versus just the habits we have that have been imprinted in our brain. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we didn't just get here. Like if there's a situation that you want to change, like for the better, so what do you think makes you a good coach? I think it's caring and I'm smart. I, I've always been so apologetic. I'm getting, I'm getting to this, uh, to this place where I'm really trying to not be so apologetic for things that maybe like things that I might be good at. Um, I always feel like I've been that way. Like I'm just apologetic or always trying to prove myself, uh, in some way. Um, I'm just a gym teacher. I got to prove myself that I'm smart or whatever. Uh, so I'm really kind of coming to this place in my life where. I don't give a shit. Like I'll be proud of things that I'm good at, but I, for me, I understand the science of it. I've done all the certs. I have enough experience. I have the master's degree and I understand the science. So like those things are good, but I think the biggest thing is genuinely caring about people. Uh, I'm also not going to be overly available for people and, uh, hold their hand too much. There's a time and a place for that. Uh, but people need, there have been times where somebody has texted me. And it's a situation they should not have texted me in where, oh, I'm out at a restaurant. Like, I don't know what to get. Well, too late. We already talked about this. Don't text me when you're at a restaurant. Ask me what you should order. So I ignore them. I call that, I, I call that let'em sit in their diaper, let exactly kitty diaper. And it, it's such, it's so great for them, for, for so many because everybody knows the answer. Like that person who says to you, tell me what to do, you know exactly what to do. You just, you're not doing it. And you think somebody telling you what to do, I was going to do something. Well, if that's the case, how come nothing's worked? Because every other thing you've tried with somebody telling you what to do. So it's such a great opportunity for whether they had a win or a loss that night, Hey, just got your text. What did you end up getting? And they'd say, how'd you feel about that? If it was bad, okay, the back, how'd you feel like this morning was like your gut tore up or anything where you blow it or anything? Yeah, it was this or I ordered this. I was going to get this, but I got this. I didn't eat the bread and I only had one drink. How did you feel about that? Like I'm not gonna, I've learned this too, to not celebrate something before I find out how they feel about it because they might be like, I feel like shit. I'm like, Oh, nevermind. Like, Oh, that's awesome. What a win. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, Oh, that's awesome. You only had one, but I went in, I wasn't going to have any of that. I had one. I just feel like a failure. Like I want to find out their perspective on the whole situation. It allows them to think about it, process it. And then I can give them the opposite perspective. I just feel like a failure that I had that drink. Well, You wanted to have no drinks. How many drinks would you normally have had before? Like we probably a few. Okay. So it was one better than what you used to. Yeah. You know that we could talk through that kind of stuff and help them to people who are always pessimistic about their decisions and all that. It's a chance to show them the optimistic perspective on it. And if they think it's a win, fantastic. I'll celebrate that win. You know, we could always have the conversation on our time. Like, did you feel comfortable? With those decisions that night that you feel like you'd want to repeat them. I could probably do this or that better. Cool. Like they figure out the answer, you know, uh, the only time it's maybe worth telling them maybe what to do. And then half the time I don't, unless I've been with a client for a while and they're like at that place, I just, I just want to do what you tell me. What should we go into a deficit now? Should we not, you know, we've been working together. We we've, I know them, uh, intimately and, and could say you need another week here before we even think about a deficit kind of a thing. Uh, but. Outside of that, I'm asking them what, what they want to do. I feel like I just totally lost my train of thought, but anyway, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Asking questions, fighting out their perspective, giving them an alternative shift if it was negative and if they thought it was positive and if they think there's something they can work, they can change to make it better. Next time they come up with the idea. Sounds good. Go ahead. You know, they say they want to be a vegan. I'll ask them why answer all that stuff. Explain why this might not be the best, but let's go for it. I've had people that wanted to go way too low with calories. I don't think this is a good idea. But you could tell they need to do it. So it gets out of their head. Okay, let's do it. This is how you're probably going to feel. These might be the consequences. I'm here for you. Let's do it. I don't think you're going to get the result you want based on the history that we have together and the way that things have worked in the past. Um, but go for it. And then they crash and burn and it's like, cool. Now it's out of your head. Now, can we get moving forward? Cause I know I, I, when I've said the head, I want to do it. To start driving school, I go start driving school. I want to buy a freaking cold plunge. I go buy the cold plunge. I think about it for a freaking year and I'm like, just buy it. So I stopped thinking about it. Uh, kind of thing. So I understand that feeling. Uh, so I, so I support them with it, but yeah, yeah, I think a lot of my clients are surprised that we don't just go right into a deficit. It's like, yeah, it's a little bit of history, some data, some metrics here first. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do you even know how to track, you know, that, that kind of a thing. Let's see where even you're at, what your food quality is like, how many calories you're roughly taking in, uh, before you can ever get into a deficit. You know, you just got to give it like some cool name, like, Oh, we got to do a priming phase first. Of course, we have a priming phase. Yeah, there you go. The priming phase. It's a priming phase, yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, I'll, how can I give you, I just, I'm like, I can't give you, give me a deficit. Let's see. See what you're eating first. Um, so we can figure out how many calories you're taking in and then we can go into a deficit. And then I know it doesn't mean we're necessarily going into a deficit. We see those numbers. We find out, um, a lot of information in that first week and then go from there. The idea that there's this one size fits all, which I changed my mind on that. Cause when I came in, it was like all about reverse, reverse guiding, you know, and things have changed. Um, well, Keto was like, definitely was Keto, Keto and fasting. Um, and those things still pop up, but it's like, there's not one size fits all for, for anybody. So, what clients do you work with predominantly? Do you work with both men and women? Men and women, mostly women, I think in this nutrition coaching space, unless you're maybe coaching hardcore athletes or something, you just tend to get more women that, um, are, I think vulnerable enough or willing enough, or they have more history. So they're fed up because most of these things are targeted towards women. Most of the dieting and all that is targeted towards women. So mostly women, um, I've had clients up where in the mid, late sixties. I have a client now, this guy's 23. So there's a wide range, but the average, you know, regular human being, you know, uh, mother, uh, type of type of person who's feeling frustrated. Yeah. What do you think is the biggest movers for your, for your clients? Typically. Like what gets them actually like getting to the results progress kind of thing or not necessarily the outcome but like what are the like what would be when you start somebody off like what would get them what would get the needle moving in the the right direction where yes eventually we're going to get to the end result but would you mean like in terms of like what they're actually doing type of thing like what action yeah okay um i would say the people who are willing to get their protein up Big thing, uh, that that's people seem very resistant with that. Uh, the, the number of women who are eating 50 grams of protein. And I used to be like, well, here's our goal. We're going to, we're shooting for one 50. Let's we're just going to slowly get there. So let me work our way up to it. Now I've learned do not do that. If the person's getting 50 grams of protein, let's shoot for 60 this week. All that means is this. Two more ounces of chicken at one of your meals, you know, a couple more eggs type of a thing, uh, one serving a Greek yogurt, you know, you'll be fine. Uh, so then it's okay, cool. You did 60. We're going to shoot for 70 this week. Once they start getting these numbers, they thought was. impossible. Uh, they, one, see a difference, I think, in their, well, not, I think I see they have a difference in their cravings. Um, they start to feel really proud, like, wow, I did this kind of a thing. And, uh, they start to be a little bit more open and trusting to the process. Uh, they see a difference obviously in the scale for a lot of them when the protein goes up. So in terms of an actual action step that gets people going, uh, I would say getting that protein up. And then like the other basic things, if they can just start cutting out any calories that they're drinking, you know, get more movement in, uh, throughout their day. But that's again, everybody's so different with what gets them going. Some, it's like once they start getting into the weight training and then that becomes, like they start getting fired up about those, I hit a PR, I hit a PR, and then they're like buying into the lifestyle. They start to realize, oh, there's all these other things I could be celebrating. Yeah. The scale went down, got to the thing. So, yeah, it's fine. So, um, I like, um, so I, I predominantly, um, women in menopause and some menopause coach challenged me saying like, all you talk about is protein and weight training. And I'm like, Yeah. Yeah, we got a, we just did an episode with this, this guy, Gillis Pellegrin, um, and he's like a thyroid kind of, that's his thing. Like functional health coach. No, we have never had a guest who answered questions so concisely, like he answered the question. This is what's going on. This is what's going on. And he was talking about all the, he worked in a, in a clinical setting. I'll connect you guys. Uh, cause I think it'd be awesome. Um, he'd be great, uh, for, for your show. Worked at a clinical setting. These people are in there, you know, under active thyroids, taking medication, and he would always have to address the lifestyle aspects of these things. And I, the first thing I said was after he went on all that stuff, uh, what lifestyle aspects are you talking about to help somebody's thyroid? First thing he said was strike training. First thing and then I like what's the mechanism behind that and he explains the mechanism behind it and that I was not expecting him to say that right, you know, adding more calories is a big one. Those things I would expect to hear. Yeah, but morning hygiene, night hygiene, uh, from the, from the sense of stress and cortisol and things like that, but, but strength training. Um, so it's just another thing. I mean, more and more research is coming out about the benefits of strength training in so many ways from our immune system. We learned that over COVID. Um, To dementia and Alzheimer's to now thyroid. I'm learning about, uh, even when it comes to menopause, the symptoms of menopause strength training is one of the biggest thing that's going to help reduce the symptoms of menopause. So, yeah, why am I talking about strength training because you're dealing with menopause? Why aren't you? Yeah. What are we talking about? Are we talking about estrogen dominance? Yeah. Talking about like, it's your hormones. Like, cause if we influence your lifestyle a little bit better than we can, that lifestyle is going to influence your metabolism and in turn your hormones. And so we can just make this easy. I say it's easy. It's not. It's the biggest rocks that we can address. Yeah. It's not. Yeah, if you're relying on medication and you don't address the underlying lifestyle choices, at a certain point, that medication is not going to work, so you have to up the medication. At a certain point, you have to up it again, you have to up it again, and then at a certain point, you deal with the negative consequences of taking that much of a medication. I mean, I did a year long functional health mentorship with this guy, Travis Zipper, and we're, I mean, volumes of information we're learning. And at the end of this year of doing this, I'm going, it all goes back to lifestyle. It's not everything. Everything goes back to lifestyle. It's like there's no super specific protocol that's going to fix anything. You could do some gut health protocol. Cool. You fixed your gut health until it immediately comes right back because you have no lifestyle changes. Cool. You took all the supplements. You did fasting for a week. You flushed out your gallstones. You did all this stuff, but all that stuff comes right back if lifestyle is not addressed. So it's wild and things in lifestyle that people don't think about having fun. Stress. It's the stress piece is like the killer for my ladies. And it's like, like, can we just simplify stuff and just say no more often? Put yourself first a little bit. Get some people to take some of the shit off your plate. Why are you still cooking for your 21 year old kids? Like, what the hell? Fuck that kid. He's an adult. He's been able to vote for three years. He could drink alcohol. Yeah, your baby's not a baby anymore. Let him let it let it let his wings grow. Yeah, no, it's uh, it's it's true. I'm going through the same things right now. Like this is the year I'm going to figure out there's a few things. I'm like these things need to be cut out and even if it didn't. Negatively affects like income. Um, I need to cut things out, you know, from things that I have outside of coaching and teaching and all that. Um, but that, that's so important. What you just said, saying no to things, creating boundaries, those conversations I've had to have with women asking their fucking husbands for help. Like speak up, you have to speak up and you have to advocate for yourself. And say, Hey, what's important. And I know is my mother. Got mad at me when I said that one time at our Facebook group. She's like, well, a husband should know what they need. Like we shouldn't have to ask. I go, well, if guys not doing it, then what are your options? We can talk all day. If the woman's complaining, shouldn't have time for them to go to the gym. And the guy's like, that sucks. And he's just sucking his thumb, watching the football game as you're doing stuff with the kids, you have to say something. Yeah. The guy should know, but if you can't get, you have to communicate and say, listen, I need to do this for myself. I need this time. You need to take care of this and that while I do that, I need help clean this and that. You have to advocate for yourself, speak up and get some help. Uh, that, that's the thing I feel the most bad for with women, probably other things if they come up, but is this feeling like they have to take everything on. Yeah. Um, it, it, this mom guilt, it's, it's, it's definitely the mom guilt, right? It's the caregiver, it's the caregiver. Yeah. We're the ones that have everything. And also, um, the perfectionism in like, I, nobody does it like the way that I do it. Like they don't do it right. Right. Give up on that. So, um, you know, you're going to ask your husband to put the, to put the dishwasher to put the dishes away. Right. Don't fucking rearrange the dishwasher. It was run that. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, and then, and if it bothers you that it's not being done the right way, be like, Hey, listen, this pop, this, this really bothers me, I know I'm crazy. If you want to say that, just say, I know I'm crazy, you know, just to like use his words, however you want to say it, whoever, however your relationship is, but I, I just, I, I want them to be put back this way. Can I show you a lot and teach them? It's just like the kid who keeps messing up the lawn for the dad. So the dad says, fine, I'll just do it. Like the kid was smart. He kept making those lines not straight because he knew dad was There's a comedian act like an idiot get out of work. Yeah. Yeah So it's like take the time and teach them how to do things I mean I did that with my son when he was young taught him how to do things Very young so that I didn't have to do everything for him. He couldn't reach the water in the fridge Okay, let's get your stool. Where's your stool? You know his little teeth brushing stool gets that out. Okay Okay, so you could do it. Awesome Now he's able to do it now. I don't have to do everything for him. You know, went through the trials and tribulations of teaching him how to swim before he was three years old. So I didn't have to watch him for the next five years, like other people, you know, so teach the person to do it that way or let it go and have it be done a different way so that you can have free time, that was about the small stuff. Yeah. I think it's a big part of the fee is like a big part of the, um, just not making time, not priority, not prioritizing yourself and taking on too much stuff for. else. So bring in the str have to watch the news. Y out what is important. Yo that every time I hear so the news, I'm like people He loves the news and I'm Yeah, I didn't I didn't I couldn't find anything to be pissed off about today So I'll watch this until I do, you know And then people get it's tough because you're going going going all day Everything's so stressed out and this is a cycle that I have to talk with a lot of people about So now you put your kid to bed, maybe a little too late. And my son goes to bed at 8 30 and his friends, apparently same age, nine, 39 o'clock. Well, that's why you're staying up till 12. Cause you need to unwind for two hours and you're not putting your kid to bed until way too late. Honestly, uh, put your kid to bed earlier. They'll be fine. Last summer, my son's like, it's not even dark out yet. I can't do this. What do you think I did? Got blackout shades. blackout shades. We're not having this conversation. I know it's the light out and it's 8 30. You're going to bed and it's dark in your room now. He has an eye mask. I'm problem solving for me, but it's also for him. So he sleeps well. Um, but the people have these stressed out lives. They're getting up way too late. They're rushing out the door. Then they're yelling at their kids because they didn't get up early enough to get themselves and they're getting everybody ready at the same time. They go through a stressful work day. They're running their kids all over the place. They didn't get to the gym because they didn't ask for help. And now they have to unwind. And how do they unwind? Let me maybe have a Yeah, maybe you have a glass of wine. Maybe it's watching Netflix, scrolling the phone, and you end up staying up too late and you never actually unwind. And now you're starting your day the next day, more stress because you didn't get a good amount of sleep. Um, and then that cycle continues and then you need to unwind and you're unwinding in a, in a way that's not actually unwinding. You're just turning your brain off. You could dim the lights, read a book, watch how quick you fall asleep. When you start reading a book and you're tired at the end of the day. That's me. That's how I go to sleep. It's like, yeah. My husband's always like, you're going to read it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know many people you're exhausted at the end of the day and you just got so into a book that you're amped up at 1130, you know, but that, that phone or that TV can, can keep you up all night. Yeah, I've I'm yeah for sure I just looked up. I just looked up gillis. He's so he works with um, will Graziam so he's with the educated dire. Okay. Nice. I'll uh, i'll reach out to him. So Yeah, yeah, if you have a connection to him, yeah reach out to him. He's great. Um Well, I was gonna ask what do you think your clients biggest obstacles are to getting the results that they want but I don't know. All that stuff. Yeah. And it's all that stuff. We just talked about. Yeah. And I think it goes back to, you know, people really figuring out what they want. And I've talked about this so much, even on our podcast and people come on, they have these different, different conversations come up. It's like, what do you really want? You know, there's such an identity problem that I think people have. They're remembering what it was like to be 20 something. And how they were leaner and they could go out drinking and all that stuff. And they're wrecking their, they think it's the body that made them happy. And no, it was the fun that you were having. It was the freedom that you had. It was the less responsibilities. It was the way you laughed and joked around with your friends. That's what was fun. That's the memory. So if you could start to bring those things back into your life. have fun, create some more space for you to have some freedom, you know, plan a trip with girlfriends. You know, there was one guy I knew who every year him and his buddies flew to an eagles game like at an away game somewhere. That was their way of getting together. That's awesome. Doing something like that. You know, when women have the mom guilt to go away with your girlfriends for a weekend, plan something, have something to look forward to. That's a big part. Even when we think, talk about dopamine, dopamine release is happening during the anticipation of something. Once you re once you receive the whatever gift surprise, whatever the reward, um, the dopamine is no longer released. So you want to get more dopamine, have something to look forward to. It's in the gambling. It's the anticipation of, am I going to win? That's what's addictive. It's the anticipation of chasing a guy or a girl asking them out. That's the dopamine. It's the anticipation of that first date, you know, that's the dopamine release. And then you get it and you're like, Oh, how do I get that again? I gotta go hunt for a new woman. I gotta go hunt for a new place to gamble a new game to bet on. And I always think whenever I put my 20 bucks in, right. I'm like, I'm going to win a thousand. I'm just surprised when I don't, it's unfair, honestly. It's unfair. It's not fair. It's not fair. You played the numbers. You hit your macros. Yeah. It's, um, It's a, I think if people realize that, you know, bring those activities that were fun back then, back into your life, maybe not all the drinking when you were 21, 22, that probably won't be helpful, but, um, to find those things, to plan a trip, how many times do years go by? We got to plan a trip. We got to plan a trip, but they don't plan a trip. I mean, my Facebook girl, I gave people a Simon a year ago. Uh, it was like a year ago. I was like in two weeks, you have to post here, which trip you planned. You're planning a trip right now, you know, for all the people that put it off and then all these people started. doing it. Um, so yeah, you Set something up that you're excited for. Um, the memory isn't your body weight. The memory is all the fun, uh, that you are having. So let's get some fun back into your life. You know, what things are you, did you used to be passionate about that you don't do anymore? Did you like painting? Do you like writing? And these things have, you know, gone by the wayside. Maybe it's just bringing those things back into your life. Brings a little bit more joy, a little bit less stress. Now, maybe you're not stress eating as much. Uh, you're not as miserable. There's so it's so much more than what you're eating because it's all this stuff that we're talking about that creates the decisions around food. Yeah, for sure. And just overly focused on the outcome based on a number just doesn't make sense. Like, it's not a data that you can control because it's not that it's not going to be that number. Nobody is ever going to say like. Wow. We really wish you could have gotten down to 1 45. Yeah. Yeah. And how many times I have to tell somebody like, nobody knows what size your pants are like, you're, you're feeling bad because these pants are a little tight. Like get, get, get a size up. Yeah. Yeah. Get, get a size up and feel good. Like why go out? Tugging, but you can go out and feel good, find something that fits you. Well, my goal is to get into those pants. Cool. Why don't you throw them out? By the time you get back into that size, you're going to want to get yourself a new pair of that size. Anyway, in the meantime, let's wear something that you feel good in. Um, and even in that, the, the concept of like the goal, just being human, our brain is wired to search for conflict. We are always going to find conflict. It's just wired in our brain because if I can find conflict and I can make a decision to protect myself from that conflict. And we create these scenarios. So when everything's good, we're going to have conflict. There's not going to be anything that's going to make all the conflict in our brain go away. Uh, that's another good book, um, for all the self sabotagers out there. The mountain is you Brianna West. Yeah. Great book. And if you do not think you are a self sabotage, you're like, I didn't think I was until I read the book. Like shit, I do a lot of this stuff, you know, so it's, uh, there's no, I don't think there's anybody that's not, that would relate to that. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. And it's one of those where you read the whole thing. You don't read the first half and go, okay, like there's, Diamonds, gems, whatever, uh, the phrase would be, um, even as you're getting well past the halfway, uh, point. It's, uh, yeah, great book. That's what I think a lot of people do struggle with, is, uh, the self sabotage things. You know, the self doubt, all that stuff. All the things that we kind of were talking about, but you can get to the root of some of those issues. It just makes everything so much easier, and that's where, with my shift, with the way I want to approach things, like, I'd rather, Get to the place where you're in such a good spot. Heavy lifting first. Yeah, you're in such a good spot that you can explore. Um, Tracking in different ways, more detailed ways, because the, this, the whole journey, if I can hit the word journey, even though I use it, we have to like that, that never ends, you know, it never ends, so let's enjoy the ride. And know that being part of this ride, it automatically is going to include a lot of difficult challenges. So this is a difficult check. Let me see how I could navigate through this and that and enjoy the ride along the way, knowing it's not going to be fun all the time. It doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. You know, starting a business, go in the car, all the things that everybody did. I think that's part of the problem too, is I've mentioned this before. You graduate fifth grade. It's exciting. It's like, Oh, in three years, you're out of middle school. You do all this work because you know, you're going to be out of high school in four years. So you can tolerate because you get the reward at the end of four years, you go to college, you get the reward at the end of four years. And then the next big thing, Oh, I got the job. Oh, I got the wife. Oh, I got the kids. And then nothing, nothing. Why do you think you're miserable at 45? You there's nothing you have to look forward to this, this journey that you're on this rollercoaster ride. It's like everything that you did along the way, kind of, you knew the result. I got the degree. I got this degree. Oh, I got that job. I got that paycheck because I showed up. I can, you know, you keep getting these things. And then when those things stop, what can be exciting? All right, let's see what happens. If I start lifting weights, let's say life sucks anyway. I might as well push a weight that feels heavy. You know, I've already pushed up the weight of my own, uh, dismay. Let me push the weight of a, of a 45 pound plate. Let's see what it's like tracking food. Let's see, let's be curious, you know, be curious, um, challenge yourself in those ways, just like you challenge yourself, maybe with studying in high school, you know, I don't know. I think that's weird. Once you get to your. destination, right? The goal changes. Like it should, it should always, almost everybody like that. Yes. Maybe when you get to a place where you feel uncomfortable where we can maintain a bit, but that's kind of boring too. Like why not push, let's get a little bit, let's push to this envelope a little bit more or anything else to focus, focus on. Let me get stronger. Maybe start hiking. Let me get, let me try to do a handstand pushup and yoga or whatever. And that's the thing that we all know who've been in the game for a while, you know, like over my fitness journey, it's like five years I was doing MMA training, not I wasn't trying to compete. I was in a very family friendly place. We left with no bruises. Uh, but that was like the conditioning I was doing. And then I was like, I want to try CrossFit. I did CrossFit for like five years and then I hired a coach and he's writing programming, I'm lifting slow and steady and I hated it. I hated it. I'm a go, go, go person. I'm like, Oh, it's the same workout every week. Like I hated it. I would fight him tooth and nail, just two more weeks and I'll switch it. We're going to do six more. I'll do two more. Can you do two more? Yeah, you can do two more and switch up. And what I learned from that was immeasurable. of like, I ended up getting my physique changed in a way because as I dialed the nutrition, my physique changed in a way that I didn't expect it to change. Um, it was better, more balanced than it was when I was doing the other things. Um, it was something new that was miserable for me, but it's like, I gotta, I gotta learn how to do this. I got to slow my brain down. Like it was a lesson that I learned. And, uh, and now I haven't really been doing cardio and I'm like, I'll learn the lesson of slacking in that area and how I feel in certain ways. Um, so once you're in the game long enough, yeah, you're, it's the lifestyle that is what is always there. If that mindset, that focus, if that, it's just, I'm making these decisions that are in line with my values. I can change what things I want to experiment with, you know, let me experiment not tracking food if it's all I've ever done and see if I just focus on food quality. What happens when I cut out all added sugar for a period of time? See how I feel. What happens if I do this? And you just, you do different things, but that's why I was going back to the goal is the journey, the goal is the process, you know? So if you can buy into the process, then the way you go about it. You know, these little mini goals of maybe a physique or strength goal or cardio goal or whatever it might be, that's the quote unquote fun part, even though it's all a little torture. Yeah. Who doesn't, who doesn't like a little torture? Everybody loves a little torture. I think it's like, when I think of seasons, you know, like, that's, you know, easier to think of on a, on a smaller level, like, yeah. Like folk like folk and you know, like we'll bulk up in the winter and then maybe we'll cut for the summer But but also when you look at life Like life is in seasons and you're not always going to be Yes old in your 40s are going to be different from your 50s are going to be different from your 60s And i'm still i'm getting messages From ladies that are in their 70s that are trying to lose weight Still yeah, that's a great point to even say like why are you talking to me about 25 year old goals? You Why are you talking about goals of a 25 year old? You're 50 years old. What kind of things can you be excited about as a 50 year old? I love getting old. I don't know what it is. I love getting older. I have zero desire to go back to being younger. Zero. I love the process of getting older. The, the, the perspective shifts are exciting to me. Um, ways you can push your body in ways that maybe when you were 25, you never even thought about. You're like, holy shit, I'm doing this stuff at this age. This is pretty cool. You know, versus I want to be, you know, you don't have to push tha that's yeah, it's so much think when you build that Yeah, it's why, yeah, when big places being built, yo construction forever. It Then all of a sudden it g You're like, holy crap. And then it takes a while for all those fine details. It's kind of like the more specific, specifically a physique goal goes. Now it's like a lot of fine details. If you get to like a real specific physique goal, or you can just be happy having a little bit of a pouch and not worry so much. If you want to have fun in the process, you're like, I just want to see if I can do it. You're into it. Cool. Go for it. But if you're torturing yourself, If you want, if you really want to like push it to see what, But what does that take? Because, because I did, you know, and it was like, I got there. Great. I got some great pictures there. I'm still using them, but I, uh, I didn't love it. I didn't love the process and, and being there. It was like. I'm not comfortable at this like, oh, shoot, wait, you know, that wasn't nothing like a competition, but it's like, how do you maintain this to maintain this? Like, I want to, that's the thing, like, that's why I started and didn't finish like people, um, not knowing what they want. They want the physique, they want this body, but then they also want to go out and eat and drink with friends. It's like, what thing do you really want? You know, like pick the one, if I, if you really just want to go out and eat shirt with friends, then just choose to be happy with your body and the rest of the week, Hey, make healthy lifestyle decisions because it makes you feel good. Instead of being bloated and farting all the time, kind of a thing, you know? But, uh, yeah, it's like, what do you really want? You know, and even understand what you had said with seasons. Hey, for a season, you just take off some of those things. Just say no, lie to your friends. If they're not nice enough to you, not give you a hard time. You are like, oh, I'm trying not to drink. Oh, come on, have fun. What kind of friend are they? I just can't imagine doing that to somebody. No, no. I, it, I mean, it's been, I've been in the situation, but it's like, then now knowing it's like the, the threat, not necessarily threaten, but I think that to some level it's like, shit, yeah, I wish I, I wish I could do that. I don't wanna do that. I wanna make sure, I want to pull her down, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And even like. Yeah, like regardless of what like their subconscious thoughts are, it's just weird to me to say that. If I was like, yeah, you want some cake? And they said no, I'd be like, okay. Okay! It's just weird. Come on, have fun. Live a little. Like, it's like living, living a little is eating cake. Okay. You know, and even like when people are big, trying to battle and figure out what they want and all that kind of stuff. I want people to be at that place where their body is not stopping them from doing things that they want to do. You know, so you're trying to get, oh, you're trying to get on stage for, you know, No. Okay. So you don't need a body like that. You want to hike and you're having a hard time. Yeah, for some people, their training needs to be for Disney World. You need to just train for Disney World. You're struggling to walk around Disney World all day with your kids. It is a struggle. You need breaks all the time. That should be your goal. Stop with these goals that are past, way past what the first goal should be. Train for Disney World. Cool. Now train to maybe fit in the ride. Now train for the hikes because you're, you've enjoyed walking now. So you can get the view at the top of the mountain or just even the view in the woods and all that stuff. Um, but if you have no desire to do something that your body's and like you said, things change all of a sudden. You're like, Oh, I can't hike this trail. I go, I want to hike that trail, you know? And then it's like, you find these new things. Um, I just don't want somebody's body or, or self image to stop them from experiencing life. You know, all the things that are to experience. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Um, so where can, is there anything else that you want to add that we have? No, I just go on my rant. Where can people find you? So do you have, are you putting together a group program right now or just thinking about? Yeah, right now I'm just outlining things. Um, so I have no timeline for anything right now with with what I'm going to be doing. Um, I might. Uh, test it out with people that have been in my Facebook group for a while. If people did go on Facebook and they searched other side lifestyle, that's my Facebook group and just on Instagram at Jimmy nutrition, if they go on Instagram at Jimmy nutrition, you'll see links for like the Facebook group for our podcast on YouTube and Spotify and, and all that stuff, but, um, That's it. There's nothing on the website. There's a link to schedule a call console call, but even that's all my Instagram. So I got an Instagram at Jimmy nutrition. I'll leave all that. I'll link that too. I'm going to join your group too. I need to be more active on it. I, my life has been so crazy the last few months. I'm like, I need to, like we said before, there's some things I need to cut out and I need to be more active in there. And this is giving me a new fire for what I'm doing by the things that I'm changing. So, uh, I, I hope. Even like the email stuff, I need to be doing the emails more, like all those things I enjoyed when I was doing them and I've just let a lot of that stuff go by the wayside, you know, that's the lesson for the clients to like the things that you enjoy that you've let go, start bringing those things back into your life, you know, Absolutely. Yeah. No. And thank you too, for reminding me that because I am like, I have a little moment right now. I was like, you know, with, uh, it's like an eclipse, like, and I'm like, oh, there's all these possibilities. What does that look like for me? Yeah, and I think that is like refining my, my core values. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then owning what you're good at, you know, like, you, you just, you come across like a very humble. But like, you're holding something back almost like there's like, it's like, I don't want to be too, you know, with some of the things you say, like, you're just, you're, you're great. I think you're great. It's like, Oh, no, things that you know that you're good at, you know, and I think that it'll get that fire going. And again, this is brand new for me to really feel like I need to start owning those things, you know, and be proud of myself, really find my strengths, um, on paper. You know, establish those core values on paper. I think it makes it so easy to get a clear vision on what you want to do. Um, and I, even like the, the people are like, I have to find my purpose. You create your purpose. And if you can find out what your values are and what things you love to do, then you'll create your purpose. Um, you're not going to find it out there anywhere. That's funny. I didn't share it. I don't know. Dude, you know, Brad, uh, the sober body builder, so yeah, bodybuilder. So he's like his top five and I forget who he shared. It was like Chris something and apparently a big deal and Chris Wills. Is it Chris Wells? Modern wisdom maybe? Yeah. And it was just like the passion, like you create your passion, right? You don't create your passion. You create the passion and it's going to suck. And you're going to do things that you're not good at. And then you get, yeah, it's totally being open to, Hey, like if I'm going to do like a whole new program, I know that it's going to be different after I do something, I'm going to do it. And then afterwards and be like, ah, this is the way I can do it better. But you have to do it before you can figure out how to tweak it. Yeah, I agree with you. And like, I am 100 percent do it, figure it out, take the messy action, your adjustments. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. That's my life philosophy, I think. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. Cause like my brother, I'll ask him about a grill. And cause I know he'll spend a year researching. Yeah. Yeah. I spent, I spent 16 months researching which grill, which smokers the best one. And this is the one I'd recommend. And then he'll give me a breakdown. Traeger. The only reason it costs that much is because they spend more money on advertising, but the quality of materials of this, and he goes through this whole thing. I'm like, I'll do a Google search. I'll be like, ah, that one. Um, so I could always count on him to be overthinking, uh, anything and not really ever taking action in style. So that's awesome. That, uh, Yeah, we're on the same page with that. I'm excited for the changes that you'll be making. It's exciting time. Uh, I think a lot of people are starting to do a little shift recognizing, uh, we can't just keep talking about food and macros and stuff. It's like really become more evolved and help people become more evolved. Yeah, absolutely. I'm excited. I'm excited for that. I'm excited for you. So Yeah, well, thank you for having me, Kath. It was awesome. Thank you. I appreciate it. And hopefully I'll see you in person again in Las Vegas next year. Yeah, we'll see. You might pick a different location. We will see. We don't know, but uh, definitely do that. Um, next year, you don't have any conferences or anything you're looking at going to the rest of this year. I haven't really looked at, I haven't looked at anything. Um, I think I did a lot last year, so I'm just kind of like right now I should be with all my IFCA friends, Jamie's down there. And, um, I don't know if you remember Elise, um, with the, with the curly hair. Yeah. Okay. So down there, I am like, dang it. But I was just kind of burnt on conferences for a bit. So yeah, man, it can get a lot. It can get a lot. I mean, yeah, the, the ROMS is definitely, uh, Up there in terms of the people that I like being around. Some of them, they're so hyped up and big. And it's like a lot of people like. You know, I'm better or something, um, that, that other people or whatever it is, it's just different or it's too young of a crowd. I don't want to hang out with a bunch of 20 something year olds. I'd much rather be hanging out with, uh, people a little closer to my age bracket. So yeah, yeah, his is great, but I don't have anything either. I'll have to do some, some, some looking. Yeah. If you come up with anything, let me know. Yeah. Yeah. Possibly alleys in the fall. Possibly like, you know what I would like to, I would like to go to her. It's a good group of people, mostly guys. Um, but, uh, just from a networking standpoint, it was nice. Uh, I definitely made some good connections with that one. So maybe that one, but I don't know. We'll see. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Again, putting something on the, on the calendar to look forward to. I don't have anything like that. Yeah, absolutely. Well, it was really a pleasure talking to you. Thank you so much for your time and we'll talk soon. Um, I just realized I'm going to link all, did I say that I'm going to link all your stuff? I think you did. I'm going to link all of your, all of your, all of your links. Yeah. Just, uh, really just the Instagram one. If you can just link that, if you want to.